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If anyone is willing for a challenge, here's one I am having a lot of trouble with. Francisca Rincón Ynfante moved to Rincón de Romos and married there, but her birth record is giving me grief.

Here is the link, and my attempt. I'm especially having trouble with the last third of the record. My knowledge of Spanish is limited, so that makes it harder. Any help appreciated.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23419-32506-87?cc=1916237…

En Ciudad Victoria Tamaulipas a los 19 diez y nueve dias del mes de Mayo de 1930 siendo las 8 ocho horas ante mí Ascensión Gil Juez del Registro Civil (comprarecció??) el Señor Pablo Rincón, casada, de 26 años de edad, Empleado del citado, originario de San Nicolás Tampicas y vecino de esta Ciudad, manifestando si que el dia 11 once del presente mes a las 21-30 nació en su casa habitación, una niña viva, habida en su esposa la Señora María Ynfante de Rincón de 20 años de edad originaria de la Villa de Aldama Tampicas vecina de esta (Capital?); que la expresada Niña es su primera hija legitima y le puse el nombre María Francisca con su mismo apellido, lo cual presenta a este Juz que para su registro, son abuelos paternos Nestor Rincón y Francisca Po.? del Rincón que viven; y maternos se íqnoro el nombre del abuelo y (Micaela??/MaríaSilvestre??) Ynfante que vive: Fueron testigos los Señores (Jacinto?) (Cavalllero) y (José?) (_libertad?) Balandrano, mayores de edad y (otros?) (fuera?) le (certificar?) por que (hace?) consta puse la presente "x"de la que leí al (certificado??) y testigos, firmando de (con____?)

I was chatting with a distant relative who we both share a common ancestor "Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)" of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

She just told me that her uncles told her about Patricio Madera:

"patricio madera fue firmante de la adhesion al federalismo en 1824"

What is the Adhesion Al Federalismo of 1824??

The way we are related is that my great grandfather Calixto Madera (1854 - 1923) had a half brother "Gabriel Madera" She is the great grand daughter of Gabriel Madera while I am the great grandson of Calixto Madera.

Gabriel Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)/Maria Tomas Munoz (passed away in 1838 at age 40.

Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)/Maria Dimas De La Paz (1819 - 1885) where Patricio remarried with Maria Dimas De La Paz in 1852.

I am New at to Nuestros Ranchos and I have some pictures I would like to share. can some one please give me instructions on how I could place photos in the web site or my Album Please.
Thany You,

This picture was taken by someone who used a cuadcopter such as a Phantom Cuadcopter with camera to take pictures of Huejuquilla. How useful to find things location of things such as panteons from view from the air.

What is marked in green arrow is the Capilla of San Diego and what is marked in blue arrow is the Parroquia of San Diego:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/3v9mc.jpg

What I have marked with yellow is the mountain called, "Cerro Blanco" My Great Grandfather owned that whole mountain.

Now regarding the old panteon of Huejuquilla in the picture it would be towards the far left out of the picture. If you look at the Capilla De San Diego (pointed in green arrow). From there there is a road that goes all the way to the left end of the road. At the end of that road that is the general area where the old panteon was before they removed it. And across the street from the where the old panteon was is the "Cofradia." From there there is another road that goes up towards San Juan Capistrano passing by the left side of "Cerro Blanco" mountain in the picture.

The new panteon is in a different location.

Do any of you eat snacks or listen to music while looking through archives?

Sometimes I get the craving for some rasberry zingers and a cup of coffee to eat and drink. Puts me in a good mood then start looking through the archives and listening to my favorite music.

What are your nuestrosrnachos snacks, music and routine?

I am chatting with another person from Huejuquilla El Alto. She is a distant cousin of mine and she lives there. She is educated and also likes geneology.

She has told me that at San Antonio De Padua there is an "old panteon."

"Yo te había platicado que antiguamente enterraban a los muertos en el atrio de las iglesias o terrenos adjuntos. Como en san Antonio de padua allí está el cementerio antiguo del pueblito"

I have to keep note of the comment that she said there is a panteon antiguo at San Antonio de Padua. It must be older than the panteon of the present in Huejuquilla.

The other panteon antiguo that was at Huejuquilla (which I have mentioned and shown with photos of that location), was removed.

The old panteon of San Antonio De Padua, I need to visit it.

I just received a copy of my great grandfather Teodoro de Alba's death
certificate which lists his mother's name as "Synthia Guapalia". The
informant was his oldest son. I have always been told his mother's surname
was Gonzales, but we have no documentation of this. Could Guapalia be a
misspelling of Gonzales, or is it a real surname?

Steve Compton

I am trying to find location of old panteons of Monte Escobedo, Mezquitic or Minillas.

During the 1600's - 1720's my ancesters were in Minillas, baptized in Mezquitic.

I found the Government website of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico and did a "find" for "antiguo panteon" through the website and came across this:

http://www.asezac.gob.mx/pages/infoase/informes2008/monte_escobedo2008…

http://oi62.tinypic.com/29x6ott.jpg

Does say where the antiguo panteon is located.

My 7th generation great grandmother "Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) her defunto recorded is recorded in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/bj5w5g.jpg

What would help if the website give coordinates (lat/long).

A friend made me aware of this painting/system and thought I'd post it for future references in race terminology found in any documents of those times. This is what Wikipedia says:

Casta (Spanish: [ˈkasta], Portuguese: [ˈkaʃtɐ, ˈkastɐ]) is a Spanish and Portuguese term used in 17th and 18th centuries mainly in Spanish America and Spanish Philippines to describe as a whole the mixed-race people which appeared in the post-Conquest period in the process known as mestizaje. A parallel system of categorization based on the degree of acculturation to Hispanic culture, which distinguished between gente de razón (Hispanics) and gente sin razón (non-acculturated natives), concurrently existed and worked together with the idea of casta.

Here is the painting with "proper titles."

http://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintura_de_castas#/image/Archivo:Casta_p…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18737-10503-29?cc=1874591&wc…

i see the names felipe neri bonilla and carlos bonilla mentioned frequently, but i'm not sure how they are related.

I ran across this defunto of Maria Zaragoza Lopez of Minillas who it says that she passed away in Huejuquilla and was brought to Mezquitic por haber pagado los derechos al cura de Huejuquilla.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2dbtmqc.jpg

Note that it says "se enterro en el Hospital en tierra"

So she was buried in a hospital? At Mezquitic or at Huejuquilla? I wonder where the hospital was back then in the year 1785

This is on page 51 of 280 Defunciones 1771 - 1819 of Mezquitic

Here is an interesting one of a person who passed away in Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. Joseph Menendez with these titles: "Ultra Marino, Capitan Protector, Asturiano.

He was 35 years old. Seems like he had some profesion in Sailing for "Ultra Marino" and "Capitan Protector" He was from Asturias:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2reii6u.jpg

I found it on page 45 of 157 Mezquitic, San Juan Bautista Church Records Defunciones 1712 - 1770

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18738-36868-38?cc=1874591&wc…

Hello,

I just found a marriage dispensation for Pedro de Chavez Banuelos and Agueda del Rio (El Sagrario, Zacatecas, Zac. 11 nov 1681) SOURCE: fILM # 168682 (Ordenes 1689-1694-Image 609-613/626). The link to the images is:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-39213-27?cc=1874591&wc…

I read already the document several times and the problem is that all the witnesses gave a different explanation on how the bride and the groom were connected. Initially the level of consanguinity was on 4 degree and at the end was given for 3 to 4 degree (because of the conflict on the testimony). All of them declared that Agueda del Rio was the grand-daughter of Juan del Campo (married to Angela del Rio). Based on the marriage information, I know this:

1. JUAN DE GAMBOA AND LEONOR ORTIZ DE VILLALOBOS

Child

2. Juana de Gamboa (husband Juan de la torre)

Child

3. Juan del Campo (wife Angela del Rio)

Child

4. Juana del Rio (or de Gamboa) (Husband Miguel de Olague)

Child

5. Agueda del Rio (BRIDE)

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ACCORDING TO THE WITNESSES THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS TO THE GROOM'S ANCESTRY

OPTION A

1. JUAN DE GAMBOA AND LEONOR ORTIZ DE VILLALOBOS

Child

2. Quiteria de Gamboa (husband Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos)

Child

3. Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos (Unknown)

Child

4. Juan de Chavez (Wife Isabel de Soto y Almeida)

Child

5. Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos (GROOM)

--------------------------------

OR (Another explanation) OPTION B (this option is considered to be the right one by many people on-line)

1. JUAN DE GAMBOA AND LEONOR ORTIZ DE VILLALOBOS

Child

2. Quiteria de Gamboa (husband Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos)

Child

3. Juan de Chavez (Wife Isabel de Soto y Almeida)

Child

4. Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos (GROOM)

I'm inclined to believe that Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos II (son) (Unknown wife son of Quiteria de Gamboa and Pedro de Chavez I ) was the first cousin of Juan del Campo (OPTION A). I believe that because, although some of the information given by some witnesses doesn't match, the connection between Juan del Campo and Pedro de Chavez HAD TO BE if there was a son called Pedro de Chavez (VSE option A), with a connection on the maternal side. Pedro de Chavez (father) wasn't connected anyway to Juan del Campo. The connection was on the wife's line (Quiteria).

Any ideas? Am I right? Please read the dispensation it is just 8 pages long. The connection was explained on the groom's and 3 witnesses testimony.

Thanks in advance

Susana

Where is "Hacienda San Antonio De Las Minillas?"

I am looking at defunto records of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico and I am at year 1766. I ran across this one about a esclavo that is from "Hacienda De San Antonio De Las Minillas."

Where is that? Is it the Hacienda De San Antonio De Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico that is near Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico?

Or is there another Hacienda De San Antonio at Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico?

http://oi58.tinypic.com/jq126q.jpg

It is on page 96 of the 1712-1770 defunciones records of San Juan Bautista of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

Does anyone know what these initials (E.A.h or M.A.h or L or V) stand for. they are always on the left hand side of the page under the person's name. I think the L stands for limosna.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18019-27635-22?cc=1883377&wc…

Cheers,
Anselmo

I'm having an impossible time trying to find a marriage, baptismal or any other kind of record for this couple and their infant daughter Eugenia Ines. The three came from Guadalajara to Monterey, CA May 1797 as volunteer settlers. According to a California mission record of their child's 1821 birth, Jose Antonio Robles was from "Taltenango en el Obispado de Guadalaxara, Pueblo de" and Gertrudis Rosalia Merlopes was from "Agualulco en el mismo obispado [Guadalaxara], Pueblo de". However, JA Robles' son Secundino told historians in 1877 his father was born in the city of Zacatecas and married at San Francisco. His "relacion" had many inaccuracies though.

I found a few Melope surnames in Ahualulco de Mercado on Familysearch and with such an unusual surname it's probably Gertrudis Rosalia's family but I could not find a baptismal. She was born around 1777. I can't find anything for either JA Robles b.~1775 or the infant Eugenia Ines b.~1796.

I don't know if the records are not indexed or just don't exist. It seems there should be something. I would greatly appreciate any ideas or hints.
Thank you
Pamela Curry

This is from the difunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zg6hbl.jpg

Year is 1779, the comment:

"en el sementario de esta iglesia detras del ofanio a quien quise tirar a los campos"

Can someone tell me what is a Ofanio? It makes reference as to where the cemetary is.

Alguien sabe los padres de Antonio Gonzalez (ab1720) casado con Juana Petra de Castañeda por 1740.

Padres de Domingo Atanacio Gonzalez Castañeda ( ab 1750) casado con Maria Guadalupe Benitez Bernal,

padres de Jose Andres Gonzalez Benites nacido en 1799 en Mezquital del Oro y casado con Tomasa Gutierrez, padres de Fernando Gonzalez Gutierrez (ab 1846) casado con Maria Carlos Mariscal Guzman(La Estanzuela)

Hola, Jorge,

estaba leyendo los mensajes y encontre el tuyo y como dice que eres de los Altos de Jalisco me parecio interesante leerlo y luego vi tu foto en el facebook y a los amigos que tienes y una cosa interesante es que la mayoria de tus amigos tienen los apellidos de mis ancestros , como por ejemplo Gonzalez Hermosillo, Gutierrez  . Ochoa, Esquivias , Gomez,   mis abuelos eran de Tepatitlan Jalisco, y tengo en mi genealogia  a losCamarena, Castellanos, Arias .,

Aceves,Padilla, Hernandez, Gonzalez  asi que alomejor somos parientes.

lo que yo se de mis antepasados es que fueron enviados por el Virrey de Espana a colonizar la region de los Altos de Jalisco. y bueno estoy buscando una acta de matrimonio de Jose Gutierrez con Mararita Nunez ellos son papa de Luciano Gutierrez Nunez y este Luciano se caso con Paula Josefa Hernandez Esquivel  O Esquivias el 10 de Enero de 1811

Bueno ojala tengas algo de esto.

Martha Gomez.
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From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:43:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Gracias Bill, Sergio y Angelina por su ayuda. Que caso tan peculiar el de Leonor de Rubalcava, haberse casado con un tío carnal en primeras nupcias y con un sobrino carnal en segundas nupcias, me parecía algo extraño.
 
En los Altos de Jalisco es muy común la endogamia, pero este caso me pareció exagerado y hasta me parece un poco abominable de cierta manera.
 
De nuevo gracias por su ayuda.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldepuebla/notas/n3735178.htm

I am sad that the Government of Zacatecas wants to destroy part of the old tombstones of the cemetary "Panteon La Purisma"

Because after my experience of finding out that our towns' old cemetary that contained the difuntos of the 1600 - 1800 era was destroyed back in the mid 1970's. And just when I have done my geneology research and found my ancestros dating back to 1660. I wanted to visit them bout found out the old peanteon was destroyed. The current panteon only has difuntos dating back from 1890's to present. And I had to do research and ask where the old panteon was and the old people told me they got to see the old panteon before it was destroyed and they told me the tombstones were of cantera.

So now I was looking at a video of "Panteon La Purisma" of Zacatecas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDfozdKKDC0

And in minute of 6:22 I ran across one that has a tombstone with my surname Francisco Madera:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/112hnpl.jpg

What a coincidence. My 5th generation GGF was name Francisco Madera (1723 - 1790)

We are going to the desert next Thursday. How about the following week? Maybe the 27th? LR too and see if Natalie wants to come. Would love to see her!

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They are husband and wife who passed away in year 1777 and at Hacienda San Antonio De Padua, near Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico they are espanoles and says they are poor?

Joseph Guevara, Espanol - passes away on 1/25/1777
Juana Maria Zarate, Espanola - passes away on 1/29/ 1777

They are husband and wife and found them on the same page. I wonder how can "espanoles" be poor? Doesn't say what the passed away from.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/kdla2f.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/24qmsnq.jpg

I need help figuring out a mystery that has been bothering me for quite some time. Im working on the Delgadillo's of mid - late 1600's Nochistlan. All events below occur in Nochistlan.

I descend from Melchora de los Reyes Moscoso y Sandoval Delgadillo (MSD) married to Pedro de Placencia 14 Jan 1668. Based on Hiltons book #893 we learn that Diego Sandoval and Maria Delgadillo are Melchora's parents. We also learn that Maria Delgadillo has a brother, Luis Delgadillo where both are children of Luis Delgadillo, el Viejo, and another Melchora de los Reyes.

Now knowing her parents we find the record of Melchora MSD's baptism on 1 December 1646 explicitly stating the correct parents. Using family search we find Pedro and Melchora had children in at least 1668, 1672, 1675, 1687. There are at least 4 other children when the exact births are not know.

Now looking at Hilton's #966 we find a Catalina Vargas marrying Salvador Gutierrez. Catalinas parents are Nicolas Vargas and Melchora Delgadillo. We learn that Melchora's mother is Maria Delgadillo. We also learn Maria has a brother named Luis Delgadillo where both are children of Luis Delgadillo, el Viejo.

Now looking up Melchora Delgadillo and Nicolas Vargas' marriage we see it probably occurred 16 April 1654 (on family search Nicolas' last name is unknown and I cannot locate the record in the collection film 226724; Melchoras mothers name is Maria Delgadillo). This would make Melchora 8 years old at marriage (?) Nicolas and Melchora has children at least in 1659, 1661, 1677, 1680, and 1683.

Now I dont know whats going on here. Is it just amazing coincidence that the Melchoras have family members of the same names? Are the Melchoras the same person? Did Melchora have two husbands? Both couples were having kids around the same time. Im stumped.