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I have not been able to find Blas Sanchez parents but do have 10 children for them.
If you click on a name it will give you whatever information I have on that person..

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/618307/I102338/blasjose-sanchez/registry

I hope this may give you a bit more information.
Decideria is 5th cousin 7 time removed from my Father Chet Castanon

Erlinda Castanon-Long

Celso Martinez is the son of Toribio Martinez and Maria Dolores Gonzalez

Toribio is the son of Avelino Martinez and Martina Cabrera

Ma. Dolores Gonzalez is the daughter of Francisco Gonzalez and Maria López

Ildefonsa Franco is the daughter of Cecilio Franco and Maria de Jesus Viramontes

Here is the marriage record of Cecilio Franco and Maria de Jesus Viramontes

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6WV-RD7

Rick A. Ricci

Buenas tardes,

A mi también me interesa esa área de Tepic y Compostela. Estoy investigando sobre algunas familias antiguas de la zona como los Jácome, Tovar, Muñiz de Velasco, López-Portillo, etc. Por ahora no he podido pasar con los Jácome más allá de Antonio Jácome de Sandoval, alférez real de Santiago de Compostela, que fundó capilla con enterramiento en la parroquia de Santiago en 1656 junto a su esposa Agustina de Tovar, de quien tampoco tengo información. Su hijo Pedro Jácome de Tovar casó con Regina López-Portillo y Galindo y tuvieron amplia descendencia en Guadalajara, que en posteriores generaciones enlazarían con los Muñiz de Velasco, del mismo origen pero con escasa documentación. En fin, espero que nuestros intereses se encuentren en esta búsqueda de información. También tengo interés en el área minera de la sierra (Amatlán de Jora, etcétera), por si coincidimos.

Saludos.

In the Obispado de Michoacan records, there are various examples where you can see that the scribes actually listed where in Africa the bride/groom were traffic'd from. For example:
Matrimonial Information for Diego Martin (Slave of D. Jose de Alcocer) and Maria de la Cruz - San Miguel el Grande (August 18, 1673)

In this case, they list the groom as "de nascion Angola".

An even earlier example here:

Matrimonial Information for Juan Serna (Slave of Alonso de Sierra) y Maria - Silao, GTO (April 1, 1634)

The groom was also listed as originating from Angola.

However, it's worth pointing out that the slaves were probably traded/sold in Angola, but may have come from a different African point of origin. Once on Mexican shores, the scribes probably just noted they came from Angola, not bothering to find out what true African nation they were enslaved from originally.

Just a side note regarding the word "Mulato" is that many priests used Mulato for Mestizo, I've seen this in Zacatecas/Durango, I'm not sure what is the explanation other than they simply misused the term, thus keep in mind that that could also be a possibility.

The earlier records of Nombre de Dios Durango, practically borderline with Zacatecas, mentions quite a few Africans, I'm pretty sure the mining plays a role in it.

I'm curious about this as well. My ancestors come from Sombrerete

I notice that too, for now I can only think of clicking on any of the indexed person in the bottom on the "image index tab" and it will highlight only that person allowing you to see the rest of the image.

Hopefully they implement a switch for ease of viewing. (unless there is one already, haven't check thoroughly.

My wife descends from Jose Vicente Gascon and Mariana Sánchez who were married on 13/ May /1765 in San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. She descends from their son Jose Antonio Gascon.

Rick A. Ricci

Alfonso Reynoso Rabago

Es un apellido frecuente en la Sierra de Francia (en España). Hay controversia si la Sierra de Francia, en España, fue habitada por campesinos franceses desde los siglos XI, XII y XIII como medio de contención de los moros o como parte de la lucha por echarlos fuera de ese país. Según otras fuentes se llamó Sierra de Francia desde mucho antes. Hay información sobre estos asuntos en:

Pérez Casado, Ángel y Encinas Martín, Alfredo (2003). Peña de Francia: historia, arte, entorno. Salamanca: Editorial San Esteban.
Colunga, Alberto (1990). Santuario de la Peña de Francia: historia. Salamanca: Editorial San Esteban.

Que se puede consultar desde Gooogle Books.

Encontramos Gascón en Los Altos de Jalisco desde épocas remotas pues al parecer campesinos de la Sierra de Francia se establecieron en Los Altos de Jalisco y, de ahí, la creencia de muchos alteños que tienen origen francés. Hay un artículo que quizá te pueda mandar

Olivos Santoyo, Nicolás; Cuadriello

Estimado Enrique,

Si los Rizo son italiano pero no he tocado ese tema ni su genealogia, pero si conozco algunos que saben de esa familia. Sobre los Gascon,
puede ser frances o vasco, navarro, aragones o catalan. Ya que hubo mucho mezcla de frances y de esa area de la peninsula.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Welcome!

I share a number of those locations-- Ciénega de Mata, Aguascalientes, Pinos, and Tlazazalca.

We can't wait to hear more from you!

R

Good reading, I have found out a lot about my family. Last names changed but my grandfather and family had no clue. One great aunt (age 14) was raped by her half brother in front of my grandmother and had a child but no ones knows what happened to the child. Same aunt left with her husband and went with my great grandfather. Even now there is a lot of scandalous things that occur in the family, father raping daughter, uncle had children with niece. I had never heard of the past stories until I started working on the family tree and my mom and grandmother actually spoke of it. The world does not change, we had crazy things happening back then and still happening now. We all know about it but no one speaks of it.

Alicia,

Re skeletons in the family closet: back in the 1980s when my mother and all her siblings were still alive, I found my mother and her only sister Emilia reluctant to tell me how one of their cousins was related to them---whose daughter was she. My mother and my aunt looked at each other as if to say, "should we tell her?". It was like pulling hen's teeth at first but I finally got it out of them that this cousin's mother was the daughter of a mistress of my great-grandfather. Now my mother and all her siblings are gone, except for Aunt Emilia, and she is spilling all the beans, no holds barred anymore. It is almost with glee, since everyone else is gone, that she is telling where all the bodies are buried. Also, all my research has uncovered many more "secrets".

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why are we doing Genealogy

Jonathan

Oh, yes! One of my tias was highly insulted when I revealed that my
grandfather was a child whose father was not on his birth record. She
very emphatically told her sisters that it was NOT true.

Then, I just recently learned that this same grandfather was not the
eldest in his family as I'd always been told. I found information
(and on the new Family History pilot site, hurray!) that showed his
brother was his elder by 3 years. THAT record was another "no father
listed." :( Pobre visabuela mia. Marge:)

On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Jonathan,

What a great question to ask the group............I have enjoyed
reading everyone's postings and the various reasons for beginning to
do Genealogical research and the reasons for continuing to do research.

Thanks everyone for sharing so openly and honestly, it makes for a
great book on Genealogy.

Now another question, is anyone in your family offended because you do
family research and with the

No apology needed. I would think that anyone honestly researching genealogy would expect to find such things. As of now, I've only researched a couple of years, 1856-58, in Aguas, Aguas, on the pilot site, and I'll admit that at first I was surprised, but now I'm mostly intrigued at how many "libro recervado", "no se dice", and "N." for last name entries there are. Recently, I asked the group if anyone knew how to access such "libro recervado" information and received no response. With so many entries, I can't believe that no one within our group has family members hidden away in a "libro recervado". I'd love to know. These mysteries make genealogy all the more interesting! Alice BB
--- rricci@lausd.net wrote:

From: "Ricci, Richard"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why are we doing Genealogy
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:35:38 -0800

I am sorry if I offended anyone with my response. I did not mean to offend anyone with these details. I have been wrestling with disclosing

As for me I can say no, not on my Mexican side anyways. I have not been able to find out anything that I did not post initially when I signed up with this group. I am still left with the same information. However on my American side, yes, several family members are not too happy with the skeletons in the closet..But it is what it is. I just want to find out more about my Acatic relatives. There was a great dispute when I was a baby that seperated the family, and it is sad, because I still know little about my extended family other than my fathers brothers and sisters. Even that is not great. But I will keep trying.
Cindy Gutierrez

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From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:27:55 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why are we doing Genealogy

Jonathan,

What a great question to ask the group............I have enjoyed reading everyone's postings and the various reasons for beginning to do Genealogical research

I must say I have enjoyed everyone's responses. I myself started nearly 20 years ago. It was something my mother and I had always talked about, but I ended up taking the plunge and have never stopped....its addicting....its like finding buried treasure. I have always had a passion for history and archaeology and even though I never majored in archaeology, I love digging for the truth.

When I first started I was looking for my San Juan Capistrano, California ancestors. Well, I found them, and that my Californio ancestors traveled with Anza to San Francisco and settled in Santa Clara County.....I have roots in San Diego, San Juan Capistrano, San Gabriel Valley, Santa Clara County and a Spanish land grant in Galt, CA with a city park named after my ancestors, Chabolla.

My Los Altos ancestors are many. My fathers family came from Aguascalientes and settled in the San Gabriel Valley of California....many other Aguascalientes families did as well, not just mine......

Since joining this

Alicia,
That is an interesting question. Fortunately, I have had no such reaction. I
find that my family members are either very interested and amazed at the
info I've found or take absolutely no interest in it. However, I haven't
uncovered any "skeletons" yet, at least none that weren't already partially
known.

-Angelina-

In general, from my own experience reading through the Tlaltenango films, I've seen far more people classified as mulatos libres than esclavos. But they do exist.

Depending upon what year it was corresponding to the record you submitted, the Balthazar Correa who is named might very well be my Grandmother's first husband's Great Great Grandfather whose name was Miguel Castañeda Correa. Balthazar de los Reyes Correa was married to Maria Magdalena de Avila in Tlaltenango in 1737. I made the following note taken from a baptism where they are referred to as a couple: "Don Baltazar Correa and his wife Doña Maria Magdalena de Avila are named in the baptism of their grandson Lugardo Gonzalez Correa in Tapias, Zacatecas, close to Atolinga, Zacatecas" . Regardless if this is the same Balthazar Correa, slavery as unfortunate as it may be was not uncommon in the region. You'll find many of us share ancestors in the Tlaltenango region who were slaveowners. And you'll also find many who will trace their roots to slaves and thus are part of our heritage.

Other references to slaves are found in many of the older Tlaltenango census lists as well.

The site is up and running. If it asks you to sign in, userid and password shown in the initial note work.

The trick is to ensure you are using MS Internet Explorer (Edge won't work) and you must have MS Silverlight to actually view the document. My current machine does not work, but I still have an older machine on windows 7 with both explorer and silverlight. This has allowed me to view images. I viewed one this evening.

You can also try writing to folks that manage the archives and ask if they will pull a specific document for you. They did it for me once, but they didn't respond to subsequent requests.

FYI... I tried to find the document referenced under the topic Compraventa de Esclavo. The system only allowed me to view the first page of results. Not sure why. I also tried to find a record for Fernando de la Campa y Coz and didn't find anything under Contratantes. I would have been happy to pull it for you if I could have found it.

It was down for months, I contacted them via facebook and email and said that the servers was turned off, and that they didn't know if it was going to be back up soon.
I checked two weeks ago, and it was working again.

This time I've been saving as many documents as possible for fear it might be down in the future again.

I too have had that problem and posted on it years ago...Hope someone has an answer to your question!

Regards
Denise

Yea that site hasn't worked for me for like 2 years. I asked the same question on here and no one answered. Good luck!

I am also have a brick wall on Francisco Xavier Romo de Vivar in Aguascalientes in the early 1700s that was married to Juana Dias Montanes de Sandi. Francisco and Juana left many descendants in Theocaltiche, Jalisco. I have a daughter of his marrying in 1741 in Theocaltiche Jalisco. I also have them baptizing a child in 1741 in Aguascalientes and another child in Theocaltiche in 1748.

Rick A. Ricci

I am also have a brick wall on Francisco Xavier Romo de Vivar in Aguascalientes in the early 1700s that was married to Juana Dias Montanes de Sandi. Francisco and Juana left many descendants in Theocaltiche, Jalisco. I have a daughter of his marrying in 1741 in Theocaltiche Jalisco.

Rick A. Ricci

I am also have a brick wall on Francisco Xavier Romo de Vivar in Aguascalientes in the early 1700s that was married to Juana Dias Montanes de Sandi. Francisco and Juana left many descendants in Theocaltiche, Jalisco. I have a daughter of his marrying in 1741 in Theocaltiche Jalisco.

Rick A. Ricci

I am looking for the parents of Joaquin Munoz de la Barba who is married to Gerónima de Escoto y Tovar. Gerónima was also known as Jeronima De Rodas Ortiz. Joaquín was born circa 1670 and Jeronima was born circa 1672. Jeronima Is the daughter of Ygnacio Escotto and Beatriz.
I descend from Joaquin and Jeronima. They lived in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Thank you

Rick A. Ricci

I was wondering if is the same Maria Munoz de Barba that I have on my tree married to a Jose Ignacio Reyes .?

Muchísimas gracias. Este descubrimiento me va ayudar por años. Hasta encontré un mapa de los ranchos de mis antepasados. Se lo agradezco mucho.

Andelmo

Hi Sebastian,

We are closely related thru these Calvillo families. The Romo de Vivar, López de Nava, Martínez de Sotomayor and Velasco families intermarried heavily in the Valle de Huejúcar. They were four of the most principal troncos in the valley. Anyone that has Spanish blood will connect to them somehow.

I have not seen any documents that list Miguel parents. We know Isabel Rosaura was the daughter of don Gabriel López de Nava and doña Nicolasa de Valenzuela y Soto thru various dispensas, including her own. Doña Isabel Rosaura also married don Joseph Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor y Valenzuela, who is the son of my 9th great grand uncle/aunt. They received dispensa on 27 Mar 1765 in Tabasco, Zacatecas.

Here is the link to said dispensa:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-629X-BM?i=496&cc=18745…

Feel free to email me, I'd love to chat about these families.

Warm regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Pedro Gonzalez is born on 25/Feb/1884, son of Ygnacio Gonzalez and Lucrecia Ynfante https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Ygnacio Gonzalez is the son of Maria Gonzalez

Lucrecia is the daughter of Cleofas Ynfante and Maria Moreno

Maria Refugio Briceño daughter of Adrian Briceño and Lorenza Macias (married on 5/July/1877)

Adrian is the son of Bartolo Briceño and Lugarda Moreno. Adrian’s death is recorded on 6/Aug/1915.

Lorenza is the daughter of Martin Masias and Ma. Guadalupe Martinez

Rick A. Ricci

Hola Jesús,

Many researchers believe that Juan González de Hermosillo, natural de Guadalcanal y vecino de Jalostotitlán, was the same Juan González de Hermosilla, who, in 1582, petitioned the Casa de Contratación in Sevilla for permission to be allowed to travel to Nueva España, accompanied by his wife and children and a criada. This Juan González de Hermosilla (also written “Hermosillo” in the document), who was the son of Gonzalo Garcia de Hermosillo, vecino de Guadalcanal, had a brother, also named Gonzalo Garcia de Hermosillo, who was living in las Minas de los Zacatecas en la Nueva España, who had written him to join him. The name of their mother is not given.

Supporting this theory is the fact that Juan González de Hermosillo and Ana Muñoz were known to have had a son named Gonzalo de Hermosillo (source: Cofradía de las Benditas Ánimas del Purgatorio de Jalostotitlán, 13 Apr 1637: Se asentó por cofrade Gonzalo de Hermosillo, difunto hermano de Juan González de Hermosillo y de

I wonder if anyone has any info on the Nieto family in New Mexico. Knowing that many of the NM colonists came from Zacatecas area, I wonder if Nieto came from there and is connected to the families discussed here. There was an alcalde Jose Nieto born in 1616 and died in the Pueblo Indian uprising of 1680. His son was Cristobal Nieto, born 1648 in New Mexico.

Thank you very much for the information on the parents for Esteban Nieto m. Ana Rodriguez!

Saludos.
Austin Perez