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Hello Sus,

The family in Michoacan was formed by Juan (not Juan Jose) de Llanos y Valdes, born in Asturias and secretary to the bishop of Valladolid. He married Maria de Comparan (not "de la Concepcion"), and his three known male children (Juan, Jose and Marcos) were priests who left no descendants. So far no family relationship connects these Llanos y Valdes with captain Juan Jose de LLanos y Valdes who was protector of the frontiers of San Luis de Colotlan, lived in Jerez and left numerous descendants there.

Juan Jose de Llanos y Valdes, the captain, is supposed to have been born in Asturias (in certain information provided by one of his grandchildren, he -or she, I don't recall right now- refers that his/her father (son of captain Juan Jose) was born in Asturias. Therefore I assume that his first marriage to Juana de Silva, or Ávila, took place in Asturias. Certainly, no information on Juana de Avila, or Silva, has been found in the Jerez region. His second marriage, to Marcela

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I can't believe I did not put the source record but I have this:
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marriage dispensation requested from la sagrada mitra 23 Jan 1833 in Tepetongo, Zac
Jose Roman Carlos single from lo de Salas living in la Estancia, Tep. since childhood age 25
parents: Don Jose Gregorio Carlos deceased and Dona Maria Gertrudis Godin
with Dona Maria Gertrudis Gonsales from Juanchorry now living in Estancia age 19
widow of Don Jose Dario Valdes 4 years buried in Tepetongo
parents: Don Jose Laurencio Gonsales and Dona Maria Ricarda Lespro both living
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramos
J. Felipe Valdes.........Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes......Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..........J. Roman Carlos.. 4th

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I can't believe I did not put the source record but I have this:
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marriage dispensation requested from la sagrada mitra 23 Jan 1833 in Tepetongo, Zac
Jose Roman Carlos single from lo de Salas living in la Estancia, Tep. since childhood age 25
parents: Don Jose Gregorio Carlos deceased and Dona Maria Gertrudis Godin
with Dona Maria Gertrudis Gonsales from Juanchorry now living in Estancia age 19
widow of Don Jose Dario Valdes 4 years buried in Tepetongo
parents: Don Jose Laurencio Gonsales and Dona Maria Ricarda Lespro both living
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramons
J. Felipe Valdes.........Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes......Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..................J. Roman Carlos.. 4th

Hi Sus,

This couple are my ancestors. Maria Luisa de Chirriaga is also known as Maria Ysabel. I have identified 6 children so far for Maria Luisa and Pedro: Christoval, Francisco, Luysa, Pedro, Gabriel, and Antonia. Christoval, Pedro (my ancestor), and Antonia all married, although the only one I have identified with children are Christoval and Pedro. I haven't done extensive research on them, but I found what I could.

Is there some specific aspect that I can try and help you with? I have not found any additional children for Pedro de Chirriaga and Luisa de Ortiz aside from Maria Luisa.

Rosalinda

Hello Ruben,

I was looking at the documents you are referring to late last month. I'll add my two cents. Isabel Perez de Najera had a confirmed sister - Juana Perez de Najera. There are two documents that prove that, one is the document describing the dote given to Franciso Manzo Perez when he married Damiana Ortiz de Luna y Avina. Franciso Manzo's parents were Melchor Manzo Corona and Juana Perez de Najera - the first Spanish couple to settle in the area of present-day Cotija. There's also a dispensa that talks about Juana and Isabel being sisters:

Dispena Matrimonial entre Diego de Oseguera y Vasquez cc Juana de Loera Manzanero (Tinguindin, Michoacan - June 3, 1655)

Essentially, we find out that Diego is the great-grandson of Juana Perez de Najera (wife of Melchor Manzo Corona), while the deceased husband of Juana de Loera, Gregorio de Robledo/Bejar was the great-grandson of Isabel Perez de Najera (wife of Gonzalo de Sandoval)

Now we need to add some time context as to when Juana

I haven't tried this yet, but if it works....FINALLY THANK YOU

Manny,

What information I do have is in line with what you presented. I don't have the same amount but what I do have does not conflict.

How did you confirm Ana Sanchez was married to a Juan Becerra? I haven't been able to locate her husband.

Alex

I would like to thank Sandra for bringing up this question regarding the parents of Catalina Mendoza. In order to answer this question we must search out all primary sources on the subject, staring out with the testimony located in San Luis Potosi.

Cristobal Olivares and Mariana (Maria) de Mendoza are also the parents of Isabel Mendoza that is married to Gonzalo Ramirez. This is confirmed by A “testimonio” by Domingo de Lomelin.

Here is part of the “testimonio.”

“Este dicho dia mes y año dicho para Dicha ynformasion queda Gonzalo de Hermosillo ordenante presento por testigo a domingo de lomellin español vecino desta juridision del cual el dicho Sr bicario resibiyo juramento que hiso por dio nuestro sr y la señal de la crus socargo del cual prometio desir berdad de lo que supiere y se le fuere preguntado y siendole por el tenor del ynterogatorio dijo que conose al dicho Gonzalo de Hermosillo desde que nasio y sabe ques yjo lijitimo de Sebastian Ramires y de Maria de Hermosillo a

You might be interested in these death records I found in La Yesca records.

If anyone is looking for the 1904 death certificates for Jesus Maria, Municipio del Nayar, Nayarit, you can find them under La Yesca civil registration (1889-1911). Pages 1500-1512.

Good luck!

Welcome!

I also have Ángel from Jesús María in my family tree.

In the museum gift shop of the Museo Tlatelli Jesús María in Jesús María, Jalisco, I purchased the book listed below. It's not exactly what you're looking for, but it's close.

Title: Jesús María: memoria y tradición oral
Author: Rubén Romero González
Publisher: Rubén Romero González, 2017

Good luck!

Glenn

There are Family connections between Nueva Galicia and New Mexico but the ones that I know of are over two centuries ago. They were Vasques de Zermeño, Alcala, Robledo, de la Mora, Ochoa Garibay, Orosco, Villaseñor, and Villalpando, among others. One of my Villalpando ancestors was born in New Mexico when his parents were visiting family in Taos, New Mexico. After he was born, the family came back to live in Jalostotitlan Jalisco.

Rick A. Ricci

Hola,
Yo desciendo de esa linea tambien. Y tambien vi que deberia haber una dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguiniedad. Desgraciadamente ya llevo varios anios tratando de encontrarla sin exito.
Estare monitoriando esta pregunta para ver si alguien responde.
Saludos

Sus leniski

Welcome to NR Kimberly!

Tonalá, Jalisco and Tonalá, Chiapas once confused a would-be journalist guy I know. He was in Guadalajara on personal business and, while there, wanted to go to Tonalá to investigate the reports of Central American migrants riding the rails north to the border. Unfortunately for him, he was 1400 kms away at the other Tonalá. Since it looks like you mention the both Tonalás in your post, I would recommend you revisit your sources just to be sure.

Good luck!

Glenn

José De los Santos Leon married María Anastacia García on the 7/April/1823 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

José De los Santos Leon (bap. 4/Nov/ 1804) is the son of José Marcelo León (Cos de Leon) and Ma. De la Encarnacion Mares.

Maria Anastacia Garcia is the daughter of José Facundo García and María Luisa Pérez ((Sallabedra)

A thorough research of the descendants of José De los Santos and Maria Anastacia may reveal that she also used the name Ma. Nepomucena

Maria Anastacia Garcia was baptized on 23/August/1807 in Jesus Maria, Jalisco Mexico, same place as José De los Santos.

José Marcelo de León s parents are José Gregorio Cos de León and Paula (Feliciana Pabla de la Santísima Trinidad) de La Paz.

Maria de la Encarnacion Mares’s parents are Francisco Ygnacio Mares and Maria Elena Escoto.

I hope this information helps you with your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Hi Susana,

Where was Monte Grande?? I found the padrones for Monte Grande, and I was wondering where it was. Lots of mining haciendas - was it near Zacatecas, Zac?

Here's the links for the padrones from the time period you're looking for:

1662 MONTE GRANDE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9KJ-TQBQ?i=465&cat=23…
1669 MONTE GRANDE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9KJ-TQY4?i=495&cat=23…
1689 MONTE GRANDE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9KJ-TWHM?i=519&cat=23…

Hola Joseph,

Testamentos in the Diocese of Guadalajara/ Nueva Galicia can be found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/130231?availability=Family%…

Some can also be found among the Protocolos of Nueva Galicia:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/198356?availability=Family%…
And:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/35680?availability=Family%2…

You can also find excepts and clausulas from some testamentos in the capellanias archives, though those are rare.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

This is from an old NR posting

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

See this posting for user name and password

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22923

Esther,

I think these are what you are looking for. They are for the year 1746.

1. Padrón general de toda esta jurisdicción de San Felipe

2. Padrón de la gente que se confiesa en la hacienda de San Pedro de Ibarra y son los siguientes...

Good luck!

Here is the baptismal record of Juan Francisco Nepomuceno Rafael López : He was born on 26/Jan/1821 and baptized three days later on 29//Jan/1821. He passes away on 9/Nov/1898. His death is recorded the next day, 10/Nov/1898.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

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Death record of Juan López (aka Juan Nepomuceno) (aka Nepomuceno ) ( aka Juan Francisco Nepomuceno Rafael López):

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Rick A. Ricci

Welcome to nuestrosranchos Bobby,

Marriage record of Juan Francisco “Nepomuceno” López (aka Nepomuceno López) and Maria Guadalupe López:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-8895-ND?i=130&wc=3V3R-…

Jose Alejo López and Maria Antonia De la Cruz Yslas are the parents of Juan Nepomuceno López

Juan Francisco Nepomuceno López and Maria Guadalupe López are the parents of Jose de Los Santos López

Jose de Los Santos and Maria Ysabel Castro are the parents of Antonio Lopez
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Sixto Castro and María Cruz Renteria parents of Juan Castro

Guillerma Sánchez Rodríguez is the mother of Senobia Sánchez

(There is conflicting information identifying Guillerma Sánchez in the baptisms of her grandchildren. This information leads to the conclusion that Guillerma Sánchez Rodríguez is the same Guillerma Sánchez Rodríguez that is the daughter of Zenón

Estimado Profesor Hurtado,
Muchas gracias por el mensaje y por mantenernos al tanto. Le agradezco mucho se haya tomado la molestia de continuar preguntando.
Sinceramente se lo agradezco
Saludos!
sus leniski

Manny,

Do you mind posting the will your found for Rodrigo Olivares?

Alex

Great find Manny! Daniel Mendez Camino was the first to bring to my attention Toribio’s son Gabriel Sanchez. Gabriel’s sister, Marta Hurtado De Mendoza, married his wife’s brother, Juan Sanchez De Lara. In a secondary source I read that Toribio had a son named Cristobal, But this is the first time that I read about a primary source identifying him. I found Gabriel’s marriage record, but have no other information on him. I have been unable to find descendants, or any other information about these two brothers. Do you have a wife for Cristobal? Is there any other information on Gabriel and Cristobal?

I wonder why Cristobal Sanchez is the one that “quiso Matar a Alo López”. Was Cristobal Sanchez’s wife, sister, or daughter one of the women found to have a relationship with Padre Alonso Lopez De Espinar?

It’s great that ages are provided so that we can better approximate their dates of birth.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

I'm afraid that if you're relying on this level of DNA Y chromosome analysis you may not get much insight without additional research. The I-P37 haplogroup is just big. To quote one of the great comic writers, this quote applies here as well: "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is."
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/I;name=I-P37

My paternal line also belongs to the I-P37 haplogroup, but I have needed to do further analysis to refine my particular line down to I-FT163369 haplogroup. The issue with using this to search is that last names changed from father to son often and for many reasons. In my instance for example, Juan Lozano's (1530, Lobon, Spain) offspring used a variety of surnames, including Lozano, de Isla, Gonzalez, Gonzalez de Isla, etc.

Keep hunting because you will eventually make a breakthrough. For instance, have you thought about upgrading your dad's DNA sample to get a higher resolution that would help

Victor Gutierrez and Vicenta Vasquez baptized Maria Cleofas in 1861 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco; she was born on Cieneguilla. According to her partida, her grandparents were Fernando Gutierrez cc Andrea Medina, and Maximo Vasquez cc Gregoria Ramirez:
Source: Maria Cleofa baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVSS-XW5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5996-M9?i=48&cc=1874591

My guess is that someone in your paternal Gutierrez line was an hijo natural and used his mother’s surname (Gutierrez), and his biological father was a Valdes de Flores.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hola a todos,
Quisiera aportar un poco al tema, La familia Portocarrero eran unos nobles de cerca del puerto de Palos en el sur de España, se heredaban el título de “Señor de Moguer”.
Una de las herederas, María Portocarrero y Enríquez (1430-1470) conocida también como “IV Señora de Moguer” se casó con Juan Pacheco, Marqués de Villena (1419-1474). Tuvieron una hija llamada Francisca de Pacheco y Portocarrero (1450-1514), quien se casó con Iñigo López de Mendoza y Quiñones (1442-1515).
Iñigo y Francisca tuvieron como hijos, entre otros, a Antonio de Mendoza y Pacheco (1495-1552) quien fue el primer Virrey de la Nueva España y a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza y Pacheco (1503-1575) quien fue diplomático, se dice que fue amigo de Santa Teresa de Jesús y se le atribuye “El Lazarillo de Tormes”. Diego se casó con María Sánchez (1510-1554) y tuvieron a su hija Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (1536-1580) que nació en Aguascalientes.
Isabel se casó con Toribio Fernández de Hijar y Arellano (1530-1600)

1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”

2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.

3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”

4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.

5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.

6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra

Estimado Enrique,

Seguro somos parientes varias veces, posiblemente lo más cercano por los Cervantes. Los tatarabuelos de mi abuelo Martín Méndez de Torres Serrano-Ornelas eran D. José Manuel de Aceves y Da. María de Jesús Leonel Gómez de Cervantes, esta última descendiente de la casa de Cervantes. Conozco muchísimos mexicanos que descienden de los Cervantes; es una familia principal de la nobleza mexicana. Dichos enlazaron con todas las familias que constituyaba el núcleo social durante el virreinato.

Además de los Cervantes mi padre tiene ascendencia de Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza por los Núñez de Sotomayor, ya citados, los Ornelas, de origen portugúes. Mi madre es Camino, también de los Rincón Gallardo, Altamirano de Castilla y los Ruiz de Esparza. Luego sabes por estos medios ya todos están vinculados entre todos los numerosos condados, marquesados, etc.

En fin, pienso que todos estan un vínculados con “la nobleza” tanto la mexicana como la española.