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te mando una Regina..
Maria Regina Muñoz de Hermosillo 20 mar 1717 hija de Nicolas de Hermosillo y de Josefa Franco de la Cueva....batch 8676809 film 1396252 en Tepatitlan, pero las demás hijas de esta pareja nacieron en Jalos.... en el link de arriba hay un archivo de Daniel con quien te puedes contactar para comentar el punto.. Nicolas y Josefa se casan el 3 de feb 1712 tepa Nicolas nace cerca de 1868 o 5 y Josefa alrededor del 31 may 1689.. saludos Lety R

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Esther: muchas gracias por la informacion que me has proporcionado, ahora ya tengo de donde seguir obteniendo más datos, pues me das lon números de los Cds.Si en algo te puedo ayudar con ancestros de Nuevo Leon Y coahuila, con gusto lo haré.

Amanda.

Great idea Jose,

Here is my brick wall:

For years I have looked and looked for anything on my father's maternal ancestors. His paternal ancestors I was able to track clear back to the late 1600s in Jerez, Zac. with the help of several members of NR.

I cannot find my father's mother or her parents anywhere. Her name was Gorgonia Garcia, the daughter of Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez, very common surnames. I can't find anything on my father or his sister, either. I did find the information on their father, which is why I was able to track those to the late 1600s.

My father was born in Jerez in 1903, and his sister was born in nearby Guadalupe a few years earlier, so Gorgonia had to have been living in Jerez or Guadalupe at one time. The records for the first years of the 20th century were burned during the revolution--that is what a priest in Jerez told my father. Gorgonia died when my father was a toddler, so all he knew about her was her name

Irma,

That's great news that you benefitted from the help of someone who volunteered to help with someone's brick wall.

I hope to assist one of our newest members with the beginning of his research and while it might not be a "brick wall" per say, it is a wall.

In the beginning, you don't really have a clear path or idea  as to how to begin or proceed with your research, thus if feels like a brick wall.

Thanks everyone for your input.
Alicia

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From: "Gomezlucero, Irma"
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:01:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

I agree that this was a great idea to pose our brick walls to those who attended the conference.  As a member of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, we have some of our brick walls posted on our website already. 
Earlier this month, I attended the Conference, and have already benefited from this exercise.  Another

Este es un guia muy bueno explicando terminologia tipica en documentos coloniales espanoles...

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16242

como bien comentas seria util tener una seccion de ayuda con palabras y frases, ademas seria bueno incluir las variaciones en las grafias o letras utilizadas por ejemplo:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/17706

Miguel Beltran

See english translation below

Martha:

Aunque parezca un poco raro, la mayoría de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos radicamos en EE.UU. Muchos de los miembros no hablan ni escriben español. Otros no hablan si escriben inglés, así que se nos hace la cosa difícil. Estoy de acuerdo contigo que los miembros como Claudia que pueden escribir en ambos idiomas y toman el tiempo para hacerlo son una bendición pero tampoco podemos requerir que todo el mundo escriba en ambos idiomas.

Lo que te recomienda Claudia es usar el servicio de traducción de Google:

http://www.translate.google.com

Puedes simplemente poner una dirección de web (nuestrosranchos.org) y te traduce las páginas mientras navegas. Así puedes leer los mensajes en inglés.

Gracias por tu participación.

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ENGLISH

Martha:

Although it seems a little odd, most members of Nuestros Ranchos live in the U.S. Many members do not speak or write Spanish. Others do not speak or write English, so it complicates the

Hola Marta. Que bueno que te servira el servicio de Google en linea para traducir los idiomas.

Para los miembros que solo escriben en español y gustarían participar mas seguido en este foro, pueden usar el servicio gratis de Google para traducir lo que no entienden (escrito en ingles), y también para traducir lo que quieran (escrito en español) antes de agregarlo al foro.
http://translate.google.com/#

Muy fácil si utilizan el COPY/PASTE. No sale perfecto, pero se puede entender mas-o-menos lo que quieren decir y habría mas participación.

[*Les pido me disculpen el español mal escrito, escribo mayormente en ingles.]

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May I suggest using Google's free online translator?
http://translate.google.com/#

Roxanne,

I would like to add to Emily's response. It's true that "jornalero" is a very old word in Spanish. The words "jornal, jornada, jornalero" all derive from the same root word. Webster's unabridged dictionary shows that Old French had the words "journal, jornal, jurnal" and all meant "daily". The Latin word "dies = day" and "diurnalis = daily" eventually morphed into the Spanish words above. The English word "journey" used to mean a day's work. That meaning for journey is obsolete now. "Jornalero" simply means a person who works per "jornada". [Words can be interesting.]

David in Albany, CA

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>From: roxanneocampo@sbcglobal.net
>Sent: Mar 20, 2010 7:44 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jornalero
>
>Would the term “Jornalero,” referenced in civil records from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco during the late 1800’s, have the same translation today? I’ve heard several translations of this term including “day

I think day laborers have always existed. Jornal means "work by the day". Ranchers would farm out their temporary help wherever needed for the day or other time period, or those who didn't have land would travel around looking for work.

In New Mexico there is a place called Jornada del Muerto. It was a desert that took one day to cross in the 1500s to 1800s before fast cars, and you were dead if the Apaches caught you there or you died of thirst, etc. The Spaniards in the late 1500s named it that, so the term "jornalero" has been around for centuries.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: roxanneocampo@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:44:42 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jornalero
>
> Would the term “Jornalero,” referenced in civil records from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco during the late 1800’s, have the same translation today? I’ve heard several translations of this term including “day laborer,”and “agricultural

I have a question that I think I know the answer to, but I am hoping I am wrong.

I've traced a couple dozen Calvillo, Aguascalientes families back into the parish registers of Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas. So I find the baptisms of many people who were later married in Calvillo here. The baptisms start in 1747, but the marriages only go back to 1774.

So far, every search I have done in the IGI in an attempt to find marriages of known families in Santa Maria Mecatabasco inhabitants has failed. (I was hoping they were married in Ciudad de Aguascalientes or Teul, or somewhere else.) Would I be correct in assuming that the pre-1774 marriages are either lost or not filmed?

In tracing Calvillo families, half seem to go to the Ciudad de Aguascalientes and a quarter go to Cieneguilla or San Jose de Gracia, and another quarter go to Villa del Refugio. Is there any hope of finding that the pre-1774 marriage exist, or does this indeed represent an irretrievable

My compliments to Rose Hardy and Dave Valdez for the spectacular resource, "A Genealogical Look at the 1648 Padron of Aguascalientes." It's a real prize.

I am writing to ask if anyone has any information about the first Gallegos to come to Nueva Galicia. I'm researching the Calvillo Gallegos, most of whom appear to be descended from Jose Joaquin Gallegos (born March 21, baptized April 8, 1731, Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes), son of Vicente Gallegos and Rosa Lopez de Nava.

I know that any of you who have done research on Gallegos know that Vicente Gallegos was the son of Domingo Gallegos and Josefa Ramirez, who were married in 1692, and that Domingo was the son of Gabriel Gallegos. These people were mentioned in Retonos.

I am not clear where they came from España or when they came to Santa Maria de los Lagos and then Aguascalientes. If anyone has more information than I do, I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks.

John P. Schmal

Mooskies,

I don't know what your name is, therefore I'll address you by your e-mail name.

I do have some Serna's in my files from Nochistlan, Zac and while I'm not related to them they are prominent. They originally came from La Leonera near Jalpa Zacatecas. La Leonera was a mining community, so you might want to look deeper into Jalpa and Nochistlan Zacatecas and maybe even Juchipila.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "mooskies4@aol.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 7:41:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sernas-Esparsa-Ruis of La Presa Ags.- Tabasco-Agostaero-Jalpa / Opinions on the Path of Origin & Direction of Settlement.

I am asking for researchers opinions and supporting records for the paths of Sernas Origin in these areas.
The lines I have in my database of 3000 people, from 1790 to 1900 which is 95% + only from the Calvillo, Ags. church records.
The Sernas of My Direct lines early records came from

David

Like you there is a "black hole" in my research as well. Until the Jalisco and Zacatecas go online I am waiting. Once they go online I will tackle areas surrounding Calvillo to the west, north and south. I am even considering Sierra de Pinos. I have already gone through every film in Aguascalientes.

Just like what I'm doing in Sonora right now, I have a cousin who I am working with. We have several surnames we are tackling....we are taking a town or two at a time, selecting a time period and scouring the films until we go through them all looking for our lines....process of elimination as a team.

I have found one of my Calvillo lines in Calvillo coming from Tepatitlan, Jalisco. So that is another area that I will be looking into.

Sometimes are no easy answers in genealogy...I've been doing this for 20 years, before there were digital records and Nuestros Ranchos....but ordering films by the hundreds.

Rose

Where is señor del Encino Parish? your search finish on this names? L.Reynoso

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mendozafowler@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:42:08 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Update on my researchl
>
> I was able to get a copy of my maternal grandfather's
> (Telesforo Valades Cruz) baptismal certificate. He was born Jan. 5, 1866 and baptized at El Senor Del Encino Parish on the same day. The certificate gives the names of his parents: Guillermo Valades and Maria Del Refugio Cruz. It also gives the names of his paternal and maternal grandparents. His paternal grandparents were Manuel Valades and Ciriaca Marchan. His maternal grandparents were Macsimo Cruz and Maria Gertrudis Segovia. I wanted to pass on this information in case anyone else was doing any research on these names.
>
> Maria

Is there a batch number for Cuquio bautisms 1627-1686? The film number is 0226646. I could not find it in the films section.

Thanks,
Sergio Gutierrez

Raquel:

Please see the "Films" section of the website... all of the confirmed batch numbers for our three states plus a couple more are listed there and the database provides a direct link for each batch to the familysearch.org database so you can see the index for the given batch.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films

Dear Barbara:
Have you searched for the border crossing of Nicolas on ancestry.com? Many libraries have this service with no charge. It may list other family members crossing with him and his last known address or other particulars.
Did you know if his brother was a priest in the US or Mexico? There are many websites dedicated to Catholic Priests and Nuns, sometimes listing their parents, etc. If Arizona, try googling Arizona Catholic Priests Guerrero. You just never know.

Good Luck in your search.

Maureen

Hello Aguascalientes researchers:

I've been tracing the Serna family of Calvillo back to this person

JOSE MANUEL DE LA SERNA
Son of Juan M Lopez de la Serde and Merced Medina
Born: Circa 1786
Place: Calvillo, Aguascalientes
Married: October 31, 1852 (2nd Marriage to Refugio de Loera)
Place: Calvillo, Aguascalientes

A brother of this man was baptized in 1798 as follows:

In the Parish Church of San Jose de Huejucar on the 14th of October of
1798. Father Joaquin de Palos baptized Jose Brigido, Español, born on
the 7th of October, legitimate son of Juan Serna and Merced Medina,
residents of Agostadero
Abuelos Paternos: Francisco de la Serna and Maria Flores
Abuelos Maternos: Francesca Masias.

Apparently around 1802, Jose Manuel de la Serde/Serna married Maria
Trinidad Aguilera (daughter of Santiago Aguilera and Maria Lucrecia
Calvillo). She died circa 1849 (after which her husband remarried at
60+ years of age)

I am interested in knowing if anyone has traced this Serna family

Dear David,
Thank you so much!  It's interesting that I have the info from Juan Fermin Santelices' matrimonial entry film #0247978 as marrying Maria Luiza Sepulbeda on 02/27/1793 in Santiago, Queretaro, Queretaro, not Guanajuato!  It further states that Juan Fermin is from Santander, Castilla, and named his parents Tomas de Santelices and Antonia Ybanes.  Opening up another unknown--how to reseach Spain!!!  Any guidance would be appreciated.  Again, thank you and I'll order Maria Luiza's entry and get her parents.  YEA!    Alice   
 
-- On Thu, 3/18/10, David P. Delgado wrote:

From: David P. Delgado
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 3:24 AM

Dear Alice,

I tried and located the following information.  I hope it helps you.

Maria Luisa Sepulbeda married Juan Fermin Sante Elises 27 Feb 1793 Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores, Dolores Hidalgo, Guanajuato, Mexico  film #0710685, M607828 (1787-1825.

David in Albany