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Sandoval, the report we run that lays out names and descendants by generation is called an Ahnentafel report. In Familytree Maker you will find it like this:

1) make sure your main person (or person for whom you want to pull a report for) is selected (dark blue)

2) in the main menus at the top click on the "publish" logo

3) under "publication types" menu on the left, select "genealogy reports"

4) then double-click on "ahnentafel" and the program will begin to work. once the report is viewable on the screen, the menu on the right can help you to make adjustments such as: selecting how many generations to include and whether you want a colorful design as a backdrop (these come with the program).

I hope this helps..

María Elena:

Te estoy muy agradecido por tus comentarios. Como comprenderás, yo soy un completo neófito, tanto en el terreno de la genealogía como en el manejo de la página Web de Nuestros Ranchos. Te puedo decir que ya hace tiempo que descargué de Family Search el programa PAF, en su versión 5 y he ido vaciando allí mis datos.

En cuanto a mi bisabuelo, don Néstor Martínez Frausto, nació en Encarnación en 1867, hijo de Antonio Martínez y María Matilde Frausto, pero sus padres se casaron en Asientos, Ags., lo mismo que sus abuelos y bisabuelos. Donde empiezan mis grandes dudas es con mis bisabuelos Mora-Jaime. Mi bisabuelo se llamaba Narciso Mora y mi bisabuela Sabina Jaime. Encontré el registro del bautizo de Narciso Mora Morán, nacido también en 1867, hijo de Tomás Mora y de María Salomé Morán.

Yo habría esperado encontrar registro de su matrimonio con Sabina Jaime. Pero lo que encontré fue el registro de su matrimonio con Higinia Muñiz en l887. Esto, desde luego, no descarta que

Bertha:

Muchisimas gracias por relatar tus experiencias y descubrimientos en tus investigaciones.

Para contestar una de tus preguntas, personas "de razon" serian las personas cristianizadas e integradas a la sociedad de la colonia (quienes solian ser mestizos, espanoles y negros), para diferenciarlos de las personas que aun no eran cristianizados o integrados (indigenas).

Si es triste no poder seguir los linajes indigenas a causa de la falta de apellidos o bien el cambio de nombres. En Colotlan llevaron a cien familias tlaxcaltecas y existe el padron de todos los que llegaron en 1591, algunos con nombres castellanos y otros con nombres nahuatl. Los nombres nahuatl no se ven para los mediados de los 1600s cuando comienzan los registros parroquiales asi que mi teoria es que esas personas fueron adoptando nombres castellanos.

Yo si he tenido exito con algunas (muy pocas) familias indigenas aun que no llevaran apellidos. Por el nombre de la poblacion, la coincidencia de los nombres

Alguno de ustedes busca informacion sobre el apellido casillas?,quisa pueda ayudar ,yo logre investigar mi arbol genealogico hasta 1575,edite un libro que se llama: Secuelas de la Historia.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El sáb 30-ago-08, Bertha Medina de Boehm escribió:

> De:: Bertha Medina de Boehm
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Evolución de apellidos
> A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: sábado, 30 agosto, 2008, 4:00 pm
> En el transcurso de las investigaciones sobre mis
> antepasados en México me hé dado cuenta de que en lugares
> como los Altos de Jalisco en donde se evitó concientemente
> el mestizaje, es posible seguir la linea de asendencia de
> las familias que se asentaron en esos lugares durante el
> tiempo de la Colonia. Como en mi caso 'Los Navarro de
> Tepatitlán' que espero poder estudiar en los libros por
> salir del Lic. González Leal, ojalá pronto. Tuve problemas
> con dos de mis antepasados pues encontré varias personas
> con el mismo nombre y apellido, en un

Hi Corrine,

first of all many thanks for your information about the baptism records of the Huicholes and Apaches.

In regards to the tributes of the "indios" to the colonia I see it that way, that any organized society is based on social economics. The indigenous population had to be baptized (and in the same time registered) in order to get theirs share of tax contribution as well ... and the church had a very good record keeping system. At the early times it was to pay in kind of natural produce or in labor. Those taxes was needed for example for infrastructure. Same as today.

Sorry about my English, is not my native language.

Best regards from Upstate New York,
Guenter Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Bienenido Victor:
Yo tambien al igual que tu, empece de cero y afortunadamente ya tengo en mi linea, mas de 200 personas en mi linea paternal en parte gracias a la baliosa ayuda de muchos miembros.Naci en San Cristobal de la Barranca en 1955 y vivi en guadalajara desde los 17 y actualmente vivo en los en los Estados unidos ,desde hace treinta Años.Tengo planeado visitar Guadalajara para las fiestas de Octubre. Me faltan menos de 3 años para Juvilarme de mi empleo ,lo cual parte del tiempo lo pienso dedicar a la investigacion de mis ancestros.Dentro de mi investigacion me ha llevado al apellido Ortiz.Geronima Ortiz de Arechiga Casada con Joseph Sanchez el 7 de Nov. 1715 en Cuquio Jalisco. Hija de Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte y de Antonia Ynes De Arechiga.Aun no he localizado la prosedencia de ellos.
Saludos .
Jose Luis Felix
Desde Perris California> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:57:53 -0700> From: vmom50@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentación> >

Some of the records for marriages and bauptisms were done in La Union de San Antonio Jalisco in the mid 1800's, so you might want to check there.

Dear Ann:
Sadly none of the San Miguel records I have are from San Sabastian. Good luck on your search though. It is so great to make new discoveries and to learn about the culture and lives of our ancestors. You will find some records very legible and soon become used to the old style writing and the Spanish. I started with very little Spanish at all. Many of the records are set up much the same, so after a while you will start learning the words. Freetranslation.com is a big help too, but don't forget to use the accents on the letters. Remember some words in Catholic documents are not Spanish at all, but Latin as we learned from earlier posts.

Maureen Bejar

Ann, I too am searching for records in San Sebastian. When I first joined this site ten months ago (or longer) I gave a brief synopsis of what my friend's family had been told about the birth place of Domingo Plazola (born abt 1896), his brother, Luis, perhaps a sister who married a Vasquez, and the mother Jacinta Gonzales. I found the birth record of Luis in San Sebastian del Orest films. San Sebastian del Oreste is a former mining town up near the northern border of Jalisco and up in the mountains east of the Sea of Cortez. I am helping the son of Domingo. Although he speaks and reads Spanish, he is in his mid 70s, has poor eyesight, and doesn't have a clue about of record keeping in Jalisco. Since I speak and read Spanish based on a word by word ability, I am frustrated by my lack of skills in researching. I can't grasp the difference between ranchos, villages, and record depositories. You've given me reason to go back and try again. Thanks.

Candis Carbone
Tacoma, WA

Dear Ann:
I looked in my family file and sadly my Vasquez's are from Rancho Balverde, San Miguel, but since some of the lines I have not linked yet (so I did not enter the grandparents) I will have to look at by hand. I will do that in the coming week. I did a check on all your names and nothing came up. I did find another daughter of Emiliano Rubio and Cenorina in familysearch.org. It is Maria Teodora Rubio, baptized 4/3/1885 Santa Maria de Guadalupe, Arandas Jalisco, batch I036514. For some reason it did not give me the years and the film number on that one. I do not know why. Anyway, Cenorina is spelled Senorina in that document, so look for alternate spellings. Also on the Vasquez name, look also for Vazques, Vasquez and Basques. I will check later in the week on the San Miguel records, some of the baptisms were in the same time period of 1860 to 1895. My Matio Alviso maried a Casimira Vasques, but I did not record her parents. I will look into that also and let you

Saludos Ann,

By your posting, I presume that the marriage record of your g-grandparents is from the Registros Parroquiales of La Inmaculada Concepcion in San Diego de Alejandria, and you may be interested in reading a small article about the history and characteristics of this Municipality (San Diego de Alejandria) via the following link:
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14072a.h…

Also, I believe, because of its proximity, that the San Sebastian you seek is most likely one in the Municipality of Arandas.

I hope that these items may prove of interest, and even productive, to you.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

PS: Rancho Seco also is/was located in the Municipio of Arandas. Efrain

Dear Ann:
I think I have seen Rancho San Sabastion in some of the San Miguel Records. I will have a look this weekend, if I have some time. I have some Vasquez in my lines. I will take a look also on my spreadsheets to see if any of the names come up.

Maureen Bejar

I logged on to Google Earth, which has satellite locations of all Earth (which you can zoom in and see the actual towns, buildings, houses, and even cars and people) and it states that there are several San Sebastians in Mexico.

Zacatecas, Vera Cruz, Monterey, Jalisco, Mexico City, and Baja California Sur.

Which site do you think it is?

Jose Carlos de Leon

Dear Jonathan, thank a lot for the time that have you put in this. Would be
great if you send me the information in PDF format.
I have some question, Why the Juana De Alva(Married Nicolas Lomellin
Mendoza, 5 feb 1682) their parents are Marcos de Pedrosa and Maria de Naba,
they don´t have the last name De Alva.
Best Regards
Cristóbal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Jonathan
Enviado el: Jueves, 28 de Agosto de 2008 02:22 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
CC: mexicanfhr@gmail.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New (Villalobos)

Cristobal,

Here is what I have been able to piece together. If you would like this
report in PDF or RTF format let me know, and I can send you a copy.

Jonathan

First Generation

1. Cristobal VILLALOBOS LOMELIN was born.

Third Generation

4. Cresencio VILLALOBOS QUESADA was born on 29 Dec 1892 in Encarnacion de
Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

José,

I've been researching the early settlers of Aguascalientes for about five years, but have found very few Aguayos living there. Most were from Nochistlán, but by the 17th century they could be found all over Altos de Jalisco, i.e. Teocaltiche, Lagos de Moreno, Jalostotitlán, etc. Most of my research has been centered on the 16th and 17th centuries. However, I've also checked many church records of the 18th century. Here is what I found in Aguascalientes:

- Diego de Aguayo, a native of Teocaltiche, wed Gertrudis Lozano Macías in Aguascalientes 12 Jan 1696. Their daughter Petrona de Aguayo was baptized on 29 Jan 1703 in Aguascalientes. The parents of Diego de Aguayo were Antonio de Aguayo and Elvira González.

- Nicolás Durán de Aguayo, a native of Nochistlán, wed María Francisca Ruiz de Esparza on 05 Mar 1669 in Aguascalientes. They resided in Nochistlán where their children Nicolás, María, Juana, Felipe, Juan and Isabel Durán were born.

- Joseph Altamirano de Castilla

Jose,

Escribiste: Antonio de Aguayo campaigned with Nunez de Guzman in Nuevo Galicia in 1542 and received small encomiendas around Purificacion.

Encontre lo siguiente: Nuno de Guzman en 1537 fue preso en la Cd. de Mexico, para ser sometido por el licenciado Diego Perez de la Torre a Juicio de Residencia. El 30 de julio de 1938 se le da libertad condicionada a Nuno y ordena su regreso a Espana en el primer navio que zarpare de Nueva Espana, sin que para esto pasaren siete meses. [Fausto Marin Tamayo. "Nuno de Guzman". Siglo XXI Editores/Dicofur-Sinaloa. Mexico, 1992.]

Segun lo anterior, Antonio de Aguayo, en 1942, debio haber hecho campan~a (campaign) con algun otro capitan, no con Nuno de Guzman.

Luis

David, would be fantastic if you send me the copy of the record.
Thank for the information.
Cristobal Villalobos San Luis Potosi,SLP

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de David P. Delgado
Enviado el: Martes, 02 de Septiembre de 2008 07:39 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] New- villalobos/losano

Cristobal,

I found a marriage record in Teocaltiche for FERNDO. DE VILLALOBOS, Spouse: MARIA MARCIANA LOZANO, 23 OCT 1769, on film 0639757, batch M602489(1768 - 1782) in the IGI. When I found the baptism records you have listed below the mother was identified as "Maria Lozano." I don't know if she is Nicolasa or Marciana. I suggest you check the record in the Teocaltiche film.

I also found a marriage record for Jose Manuel De Villalobos, Spouse: Maria Rosalia De Tejeda, 17 Jan 1779, on film 0639757, batch M602489(1768 - 1782) in the IGI. If you check this

Minerva, have you tried locating birth or christening information for your
father? And if he was married or had children in Zacatecas (or anywhere in
Mexico), you might find his parents' and even grandparents' names on the
IGI.

Karr

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
athinaandretti
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:54 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] More recent records or IGI batch numbers for
Rincon de Romos, Ags.

My grandfather was born somewhere in Aguascalientes (most likely Rincon de
Romos) in the early 1900s. His name was Isidro Romo. He moved to Juchipila
Zacatecas, where my father was born in 1939. I don't have his parents name,
which makes the search more difficult.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get this information? Thanks

Minerva

Hi Cristobal,

I have some info on VILLALOBOS from Teocaltiche and La Chona on my database.
I'll go through the info on your email this afternoon and I'll get back to
you in a while. I'm pretty much stuck on Pedro Villalobos (natural son of
Margarita Villalobos), married to Maria Apolinar Reyes Serna.

Agapito Villalobos and Rosa Gomez lived in Valle de Guadalupe around 1900.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
Enviado el: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:20 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] New

Hello my name is Cristobal

I am new in the system, I am have 5 years making research about the last
names Villalobos, Quesada, Lomelín and Ortiz.

I would like to know if somebody now about the Villalobos in Encarnación de
Diaz( La Chona), Jalisco. I would like to get information

This is true Alicia, and thanks for switching the topic we were discussing into a seperate post. Spaniards but namly mediterrean europeans tend to be olive skinned and brownish to black hair. Something Ive learned, blonde and the cloured eyes tend to be in the northern part of Spain, so anywhere from Madrid and the north you'' find your usual blonde blue eyed spaniard who speaks spanish, not saying you wont find blondes in the south but somewhat rare. Those south of Madrid are heavily mixed with Jews and Moors. My mothers family comes from Santander and Burgos almost near france, hence our blonde hair. It is funny how almost all spaniard actors are from the south and hence the films that came out. Spain is a very diversed country as well, Galicianos, Cantabrieuanos, Valencianos, Aragoneses, Castellanos, y Vascos. All whom have their own language together they make up what we know is Spanish but each dialect is very different. Vasco or Euskara is the most complicated it is so
me

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

"...I have found Huichol
Indian baptism records in my research in Huejuquilla El Alto. And, I have
found Apache baptism records in my research in Chihuahua and there have been others. This could go on and on.......but like others have said, there are a few "Josefa Valenzuela's" in my family tree, those generic Spanish names assigned to the native peoples of Mexico."

Hi Corrine,

do you know WHEN and HOW they (Hicholes and Apachees) became their Spanish family names? Very interesting.

Best regards from Upstate New York,
Guenter Boehm (esposo de Bertha Boehm, Member of NR)

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

That is very interesting, our family can trace to the realistas or royalist, :{ I know they were looked down upon for supporting España. This is all "cool" our families had taken part of how México was formed. Miguel Hidalgo, WOW! -Daniel
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Hi Linda and all, Genealogy I think for is perserving our roots, Castellano is our language and
I think its the most beautiful romance language today. I always remember my siblings and I
"sois mejicanos de desendencia española" Those words I will never forget, Although Like linda
said We do focus on our Spanaird lines alot more b/c of less effort. It is much easier. I do know we recieve alot of discrimination from "Mexican people who dont accept us" Just because we have blonde hair and blue and green eyes we still are Mejicanos of Spanish descent, it has been difficult for all of us to call ourselves Mexican because Mexican sumpremacists (like the Mexica movement and La Raza and others. Who only teach Mexicans are brown but this is untrue we come in all sorts of charateristics. Especially when my parents came to the USA
they were told you're aren't Mexican your people are killers which offends a lot, our ancestors did all that but Im not responsible for that. Like the Mexica

This is an interesting point Diane, Criollos were seen as lower though in the upper middle class still were seen inferior, it is interesting I have some instances where my ancestors would sometimes go back to Spain or Portugal just so they can be born to become a penínsular. Now days Criollos still make about 12% of México population. -Daniel
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Hey Ronnie,

Not according to Jaime Holcome. He said in one of his letters:

"I had thought that the Padillas in Teocaltiche came from the Padilla
Dávilas aka Dávila Padillas aka de la Mota Padillas. Not so, although the
"founding father" also came from Jerez de la Frontera, their distant
relative. The Alderetes descend from him on a female line".

I don't know much about these families.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Padilla y Petrona de Siordia

Hola Every one, Is Juan de Padilla (married to Petrona de Siordia ) son of
one of the Padilla Davilas? I believe someone had mentioned it or I read it
somewhere, can't remember.
Ronnie

Jaime,

I don't have an image but here is the transcription:

"En 14 de febro. de 616 años desposse a Juan de Padilla ___ natural de Xerez
con Doña Petrona de siordia, Premissas las moniciones y demás diligencias
establecidas Testigos Alonso Perez, Nicolas Morillo, y Juan Gil estantes en
esta villa. - Velaronse a 13 de enero de 617 años fueron Padrinos Lope Ruiz
de Esparza y Doña María de Siordia cuñada del dicho Juan de Padilla i al
cassamiento fueron Padrinos Doña Juana de Siordia, y Martín Fernandez de
Vaulus su hermano el cual quiso despues descasar a su hermana por no tener
edad, Pero le valió poco la malicia. [firma] Lorezo Rodriguez."

I could not read the complete surname, but it should be Juan de Padilla y
Delgadillo.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrona de Siordia and Juan de Padilla

A month ago I found and requested the IGI record for the

Jaime,

The entry reads like this (except for the religious sacramental info common to most marriage entries). I have checked both my copy and that in Jose Luis Vazquez's book (p. 191).

En 14 de febrero de 616 (1616) anos desposse a Juan de Padilla (y Delgadillo), Natural de xeres con Dona Petrona de siordia premisas...(common sacramental info)...
siendo testigos Alonso Peres y Nicolas Morillo y Juan Gil, estantes en esta villa (de Aguascalientes). Velaronse a 13 de Enero de 617 (1617) anos, fueron padrinos Lope Ruis de esparsa y dona Maria de siordia cunada del dicho Juan de Padilla; y al cassamiento fueron Padrinos dona juana de sirodia y Martin fernandes de Vaulus su hermano, el qual quiso despues descasar a su hermana por no tener hedad, pero le valio poco la malicia.

By the way, I have already extracted this entire film, so if you need another look-up, perhaps I can help.Likewise, if you need an actual copy, let me know. Hope this is what you needed.

Connie Dominguez

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