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John,
I understand that children's surnames often do not match the patrilineal usage we employ today. However, often (but not always) those 'inconsistencies' have a 'logical' explanation. In the example of Gertrudis, Nava was her mother's surname. Other siblings took the Munoz from the mother side, while others the Gonzalez from the Paternal Grandfather in all sorts of combinations (with or without de Hermosillo). However, I wonder whether anyone knows of an Extracted Record that lists Ramirez de Hermosillo for members of that family. All the ones I've seen listed are Submitted Records. I wonder if all started with a transcription error (Ramirez instead of Gonzalez) with that error becoming perpetuated over time. By contrast, I do find Gonzalez Hermosillo as a surname asociated to Diego Alonso de Hermosillo's children. Just wondering.

Jaime

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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>

> Jaime:
>
> Last names were very inconsistent, to say the least. Did you notice that:
> Catarina and Juan were "Gonzalez de Hermosillo", but their sister was
> Gertrudis "de Nava" ? I have come across this before, where siblings from
> the same family will have different last names.
> Aristocracy and wealth at work!
>
> Thank you for the info.
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 09:38
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo
>
>
> > Thanks John
> > Last night I found the following on Alonso marriage to Luisa...
>

Thanks John
Last night I found the following on Alonso marriage to Luisa:

Dio. Alonso de Hermosillo y Luysa de Nava
23 Feb 1645 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
M60286 (marriages 1637-1669) 0639754.

Also, I found that the following were submitted as some of their children all born in Teocaltiche

Catarina Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. about 1648
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. about 1649
Gertrudis de Nava, b. about 1653

Interestingly, the surname for the children is Gonzalez de Hermosillo, same as for the two daughters of one Diego Alonso de Hermosillo and Juana Alderete, instead of Ramirez de Hermosillo.

Jaime
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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> Bill:
>
> Thank you for the information. I will be in Teocaltiche for a few days and
> will take a run down to the Parroquia to see if I can double check the
> records for Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo and Diego Alonso de
> Hermosillo. I will let you know what I find as soon as I get back.
>
>
> John Gonzalez
>
> ================================================================================
> =======
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Figueroa"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 21:58
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo
>
>
> John,
>
> The information provided by Miggy Gutierrez appears to be correct...
>

Jaime,

Segun los datos que tengo yo, Juana Alderete era hija de Francisco Alderete
y Elvira de Padilla.

Francisco Alderete era natural de Torrelobaton, Valladolid, Espana y murio
el 25 Nov 1683 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Estos datos los encontre en el
libro Retonos de Espana del Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal.

Los padres de Elvira de Padilla eran Juan de Padilla y Petrona de Siordia.
Juan de Padilla y Petrona de Siordia se casaron el 14 Feb 1616 en El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes (batch #M604761, microfilm
#0299421).

Los padres de Petrona de Siordia eran Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus y Maria de
Gabay.

Ojala que te sirva esta informacion.

Maria Cortez

> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jaime Alvarado
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo
> de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos
>
>
> Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos
> me lleva por la parte materna a Pedro Nolasco Macias que se caso con: Maria
> de los Reyes Aranda, el 6 de Julio de 1710, en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos,
> Jalisco. En la copia del acta de matrimonio aparencen listados los padres de
> Pedro: Sebastian Masias Valades y Juana de Hermosillo, que debieron haber
> nacido alrededor de 1690, y a partir de esos datos encuentro que los abuelos
> paternos fueron Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez, y los abuelos
> maternos: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Juana Alderete.
>
>
>

Hola Primos,what is the relationship of Joseph Macias Valdez to Nicolas Macias Valadez and Leonor Retamosa
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Hola Bill ,I was wondering if this was Diego's second marriage ? I have Diego married to Luisa Munoz de Nava around 1644/45.
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Yes, it is good to hear your position on this, Joseph. I have been in other
forums for other groups and, one of my own postings I had no idea was
controversial, drew a very harsh attack from someone else in the group,
which ultimately led to my dropping out (related to birdwatching in this
particular forum). The moderator of that group took the position similarly,
that it was okay to be controversial and have discussions, but not to attack
others or be mean-spirited. Nevertheless, I dropped out, because of
elitists in the group continually criticizing my amateur-level experience on
the topic.
What I have learned from these forums for serious folks, whether
birdwatching or genealogy, is that there must not only be room for the
beginner to learn from the more experienced, without being put-down for
their inexperience, but there must also be room for healthy discussion.
For, how else do we all learn and move forward in our searching, but by
connecting to one another, helping one another along, as is the purpose of
this group. When I connect with all of you in Nuestros Ranchos, I am
bringing you all into my home. I may be sitting here at the computer,
hundreds of miles away from many of you, clicking the Send button when I've
finished typing my message. But, the spirit of our shared journey in
uncovering and learning of our individual family histories, is not so much
to take pride in how different we are from one another, but more so to be
comforted by how alike we truly are.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hello Everyone,

My investigation has lead me to Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and her father Lope Ruiz de Esparza with an anknown mother. Searching here in Nuestros Ranchos I found that her mother was Francisca Gabai Navarro de Moctezuma and Francisca's mother's name was Petronila Navarro and her father was Martin Navarro. Supposibly there is a Cortez/ Moctezuma connection threw Petronila.
I would like to know if what I have discovered is true and how much truth is there about the Cortez/Moctezuma connection.

Thank you for any help.
Sofia

Hola a Todos,

He descubierto en mí investigacion a Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza y su padre Lope Ruiz de Esparza con una madre no-cococido. Buscando aquí en Nuestros Ranchos encontre que la madre de Lorenza era Francisca Gabai Navarro de Moctezuma y los padres de Francisca eran Petronila Navarro y Martin Navarro, Petrolina teniendo una conexion con Cortez/Moctezuma. ¿Es que lo que encontre es la verdad? ¿Y cuanta verdad hay en el conexion Cortez/Moctezuma?

Gracias por cual quer ayuda.
Sofia

Hello all, I would like to know if anyone has any tips about how to continue
when you're stuck. My specific situation is that I was able to find records
back to 1856 for one of my family lines, others lines have ended sooner. On
my fathers side I'm going to have to actually go to Jalisco and see if I can
find some records. The names I'm looking for there are for a Jose Quintero
and Carlota Del Rio parents of Salvador and Juan Quintero. I guess my real
question is how can you trace a family member that may have immigrated to
Mexico? I'm starting to wonder if I should stop looking at marriage,
baptismal and birth records and start looking at immigration records. And
does anyone know where I can go for Mexican immigration records?

Thanks!
--
America Calleros

Hola A Todos,

I doen't know if anyone else has found this site but just in case I wanted to share it since
I have found little pieces of information :

http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/newitems.htm

Sofia

I was up late last night searching the Family Search Labs pilot website,
too! It's great! Not only in the 1930 census have I found ancestors, but
in typing in names to do a search on, I found information I have been
looking for without previous luck. It brought up baptism records, marriage
records, death records, Social Security death index, etc. even in the USA,
when I typed in a particular name. It even has some of the actual documents
themselves that you can see and print out. If you click on Save, it will
automatically download it to your computer and, presto, there it is ready to
be fixed up or you can just print it out. One thing I discovered, is that
when you resize them for emailing, so they aren't such big files, they get
real blurry. So, I don't resize them. I leave them huge and they are
actually better for reading even if you have to move the image around and
can't see the whole thing at once.
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/

for any that might have missed it I have started a new Yahoo group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/) for discussion that
is wide open on any topic you can think of. Absolutely no restrictions.

email me if you want to be part of that group or you can join via the
address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/

joseph

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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

This may be a question I should have asked at the beginning of my research, but someone told me there was a way to make a copy of records found on film at the FHC. I know how to get the film and look at it, but I wasn't sure if I could actually make a copy of the original document, especially when it's one of many on a page. Thus far, I have been writing by hand all the info found on the records and this would cut time considerably. Thanks!

Hi John! To the rescue like always. :-) gracias!

The problem is that I have that info already... I'd like to see if anyone has the record itself to see which of the 2 Juan's in the family he is. Also, I'd like more info on his parents Francisco and Ana Quiteria if possible.

Thanks!!!

------Original Message------
From: John Gonzalez
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: research
ReplyTo: research
Sent: Jun 28, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Gomez and Maria de Jesus Carrillo inJalos

Hi Sandra:

Today is your lucky day...

Here's the info you're looking for:

Juan Gomez Married to Maria de Jesus Carrillo M: 27 Jan, 1809.
Jalostotitlán, Jalisco

Daughter of : Francisco Carrillo and Maria Ximenez

LDS: Batch M603229 Dates: 1800-1815 Film #0279300

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "sandragomezmendoza"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 18:50
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Gomez and Maria de Jesus Carrillo in Jalos

>
> Any luck in having the record for Juan Gomez and Ma de Jesus Carrillo,
> married on 1/27/1809 in Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan,
> Jalisco?
>
> Thanks!

THANKS TO LETICIA LEON I FIND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MY GRANDPA, IN THE 1930 CENSUS I FIND THAT MY GRANPA WAS 18 YEARS OLD AND HAD 3 MORE BROTHERS, PEDRO 25 YEARS OLD, RUPERTO 20 YEARS OLD, MONICO 22 YEARS OLD, MY GRANPA PARENTS WHERE FELIX PUENTES 58 YEARS OLD SO I WAS BORN IN 1872, MARIA LUISA WAS 56 YEARS OLD SO SHE WAS BORN IN 1874, SO I MAKE SOME RESEARCH AND I FIND A MARIA LUISA RODRIGUEZ ROBLEDO BORN JUNE 28, 1874 IN NOCHISTLAN, DAUGTHER OF FELIPE RODRIGUEZ AND MARIA TIMOTEA ROBLEDO, CAN MARIA LUISA RODRIGUEZ ROBLEDO BE MY GRANDPA MOM?

Hello to all!

I am sooo excited. I've been able to link my current Gomez line from Juchipila, Zac back 5 generations to a couple from Jalos. It was Juan Gomez and Ma de Jesus Carrillo, married on 1/27/1809 in Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. The problem is that Juan's parent's Francisco and Ana Quiteria Agredano had 2 sons named Juan, one Juan Januario and one Juan Eugenio. Which one of these married Ma de Jesus Carrillo in Jalos? Help!

Thanks!!

What a satisfaction in helping!, I sent an answer to Ramiro Puentes about his quest for Felipe Puentes, found it in rancho Las Animas of Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Greetings to all!

Leticia Leon Morales

CAN SOMEONE OF THIS FORUM HAVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE LAST NAME PUENTES, MY GRANPA NAME WAS FELIPE PUENTES RODRIGUEZ BORN AND RAISED IN RANCHO LAS ANIMAS MUNICIPIO DE NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS I WAS BORN AUGUST 23,1912 OR 1917

THANKS

En posicion de uno de los mediadors es mi intencion a guardar la paz. Quitaré cualquier persona del grupo que causa problemas. Horita no hay problema y quicera que eso no cambia. He creado un grupo especial para que todos interesados pueden continuar en esta discusión fuera del grupo. Cualquier persona interesada en ser parte de este grupo envía su dirección

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/

My self imposed role in the group at this point of my life is to make sure that the nuestrosranchos.org group remains a place where serious genealogists can help one another in a comfortable and safe space. Yes from time to time something controversial is said and yes from time to time feathers are ruffled. I've lived in the deep South - North Carolina since 1998 previously having lived in Maryland for 18 years and before that SJ, CA for 26 years. Talk about culture shock, the South is a place of culture shock for a person coming from my background. The racism here in the South is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Every time there is any type of personality clash it always ends up being because this person doesn't like black people or that person doesn't like white people. It is always about race. It has developed into a "way of life" for a lot of folks unfortunately and a system that has been around for many many many years before me and will be around for more years to come. Yes I could devote my life to changing that, but that is not where my priorities lie at the present. AND having said that I don't feel it is my position to "Fix" or even jump in here and there and take up the shield of good v. bad on social issues and on the side of being politically correct or even feeling like I have to take a position simply because I happen to be one of the moderators. My views are just that, mine. Anyone demanding to know my views just because I'm the moderator should start discussion to remove me from that position. Get 51% of the members to want this and I'll gladly step down, no argument from me. I've never ever wanted to be where I'm not wanted. eh dicho!

People will remember the days of me weilding my Ax and purging the group of members that never sent in genealogies. I will not hesitate for a moment to eliminate a flame war on the nuestrosranchos.org group even if it means dissolving the group. There will be no flame wars in the group. Now having said that I don't want you all to think that I'm cutting off discussion on this subject which I'm not. What I am is saying that within the NR group there will be no flame wars and this message has the potential to dissolve into that. So I have created a special yahoo group called: NR_OtherDiscussion. I will bend over backward to enroll all people in the NR group that would like to be part of this group. Just email me and I'll subscribe you and on this group you can talk about anything under the Sun no restriction: Sex, Drugs, RocknRoll, have at it.

Your Group NR_OtherDiscussion has been created. You can access your group using the link below or from the Yahoo! Groups "My Groups" page.
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joseph

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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Hi, Joseph:
I double-checked my album in the Member's Photos and the new ones I placed
there are there. It is in Corrine's Martin del Campo Collection.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

I just wanted to let everyone know, that George & Peggy Ryskamp, just published a new book titled "Finding Your Mexican Ancestors, A Beginner's Guide". It is available through Ancestry at the moment. From what I have been able to read, it is a very good book, especially for beginners and for those of us, who have been researching for a while.

Jonathan

Sophia Celeste and others,

One of the ancestry lines of Ana Camacho goes to Alonso de Hermosillo and
Catalina Gonzalez (Ana Camacho's GGGGrandparents) who, together with their
son Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo --- born

Good Evening All,
Would the group be so kind as to verify that no LDS film exists for Villa Garcia, Zacatecas births 1857/58?
I can't locate one, but I might have overlooked it. Thanks so much, Alice BB

http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=300229&…

Antecedentes censales

Conoce cómo y cuándo iniciaron los censos de población y vivienda en México
- A A A +

Redacción online
El Universal

Miércoles 17 de agosto de 2005
A lo largo de la historia, la información estadística ha sido
fundamental para conocer las características de la población, con el
propósito de identificar las necesidades y la dimensión de las
potencialidades del país.

En México, el interés por obtener datos estadísticos para apoyar el
desarrollo ha estado presente desde la época precortesiana, durante la
Colonia y, de manera especial, en el México independiente.

La realización de los censos en la época moderna inició en 1895, y se
ha hecho de manera periódica cada 10 años a partir de 1900; sin
embargo, debido a las necesidades de actualización de las estadísticas
sociodemográficas en periodos intercensales, el Instituto Nacional de
Estadística, Geografía e Informática (INEGI) llevó a cabo en 1995 el
primer Conteo de Población y Vivienda.

Sin embargo, los testimonios censales más antiguos en el territorio
nacional se remontan a la época precortesiana. Monumentos, códices y
jeroglíficos dan cuenta de los recuentos poblacionales de las diversas
culturas del México prehispánico.

El primer recuento demográfico data de 1116 y fue efectuado por los
Chichimecas que migraron desde Aztlán al Valle de México, marcando así
el inicio de la tradición censal mexicana.

Durante la Colonia se realizó el Censo de Revillagigedo (de 1790 a
1793), que constituye el primer esfuerzo oficial para llevar a cabo un
censo de población. Este levantamiento se realizó con los
procedimientos propios de la época, revelando importantes datos de los
últimos años del periodo colonial.

Cien años no es nada

Por otra parte, el país tiene más de cien años de historia censal. Los
censos de población iniciaron de manera regular en 1895. Asimismo, a
partir de 1900 se realizan los censos de población cada 10 años, con
excepción de 1921.

amr

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Dear Patricia,
Thanks so much. Unfortunately, the city I NEED to research for my Onates is Aguascalientes, Aguas., which to my best knowledge is not recorded! Alice BB

--- canprin@yahoo.com wrote:

From: patricia burton
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1930 Mexican Census #2
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:58:29 -0700 (PDT)

Dear Rancho Members--

I have used this site with good luck.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.

However, the records are not complete. If you do not
find family members in the different ranchos, towns,
etc., do not be discouraged. I have the 1930 Census
on Microfilm for a number of different places in
Jalisco and I use both of these sources.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

--- eaego@comcast.net wrote:

> Fellow list members,
>
> You can go to the LDS Family search here
>
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
> and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.
>
> Its time consuming, but using a period city map and
> going page by page I have locate family in the
> cities of Tampico and San Luis Potosi.
>
> For the smaller towns and rural areas this should be
> much easier. Take a look
>
> Eric Robledo Edgar
>
> Could someone with better languague skills than me
> translate this to Spanish?
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > The History Center that I visit has a projector
> where you can scan your
> > film, and once you find the record that you are
> interested in, you can zoom
> > in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle
> you want. This projector
> > is attached to a computer that has a printer to
> print out the record you
> > have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy;
> or you can take a CD and
> > for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want
> to it. or better yet, do
> > you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy
> the records to it and then
> > take them to your computer for viewing , editing,
> and printing.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > John Gonzalez.
> >
> >
>
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>
> > =========
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chula801"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film
> records?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This may be a question I should have asked at
> the beginning of my
> > > research, but someone told me there was a way to
> make a copy...
> >
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