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Hi John
Please keep us posted on a So. Calif meeting. Even thou we are from the Sacramento area, we plan on being down in So. Calif for a wedding on June 28th. Saturday day would not work for us, but a Friday evening, Saturday evening, or a Sunday would work. Even June 21st week-end would work for us since we hope to meet Rich's cousin in San Diego and that date is unsure, since we have to wait for his ship USS Cleveland to come in ( approx Jun 24th).

Gilbert,
Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican cemeteries. Many graves don't have headstones and some headstones don't have names. The cemeteries are not maintained the way they are in the states. Best way I've found to search is still through the films archived by the LDS Church, order the film for defunciones / Death records and scroll through one record at a time. Most of these films are from the Catholic church's archives.

I have met and read persons Jewish Ashkenazim(sp?) that went to South America in many locations before, during, and after WW II assimilated into their new countries, those I know kept their faith, but it is highly conceivable if in concentration camps they kept their huge secret. I out different have read about different detention camps, I am no expert but Germany I believe was the only tattoo of your description. it was mostly their families that helped them escape or relocate, The Nazi's were helped by the Catholic Church to relocate to South America. You may want to try Holocaust Survivor web sites to see if you find similar stories.

Daniel,

Thanks for responding to my question.
Does your Antonio Martinez have any siblings?
What is his birthdate?
What are his parents names and did he ever live in the U.S.?

Hopefully your answers will help me in my research.

Joseph, I was really excited that one of my cousins, Daniel Lopez Jimenez, wants to join nuestrosranchos. I know that his wife is Castellanos/Diaz and hopefully bring more info with him. While he presently lives in Iowa, he did live in Jamay for many years, and I am sure his knowledge of areas around Jamay, La Barca, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and other places will be of benefit to us.

Gilbert,

Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores is the main Catholic Parish in Teocaltiche, I don't know if there is also a Rancho of the same name.

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

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Plug in Mexico in the search engine:

15. Charting America: Maps from the Lawrence H. Slaughter Collection and
Others
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=…

Desde hace tiempo trato de comunicarme con ustedes para ver si me pueden ayudar con alguna informacion sobre mis ancestros. Mi nombre es Esther Jordan (Lopez) y vivo en San Diego, California.

Ahnentafel Chart for Rafael Ornelas Lopez

Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have de

Hello Everyone,I live in Claremont ,Calif. about 30 miles east of Los Angeles.Does anybody know what local library carries Luz Montejano 's book in my area? Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso

Hola to you!

I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they remember anything.

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:56 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?
To:

I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know.

Is anyone familiar with these surnames?

DE LA PEDROSA
DíAZ-CASTELLANO
ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ
LOMELíN

i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ
MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT

Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Even though I absolutely love Helyn's website:

http://pueblosamerica.com

I couldn't find the one place I've been searching for: Rancho del Salto de Los Romeros. I think this Rancho is no longer in existence and I can't seem to find historical maps that have it either. I guess it isn't critical that I find it other than I just would. The below scans from the 1855 census has it 4 Leguas from Santa Maria and sandwiched between Rancho de las Precitas (3 Leguas) and Rancho de los Sauces. I can find El Sauz which is probably the Los Sauces but I can't find my Rancho del Salto de Los Romeros. I found some information about Leguas below but don't know what else to do. Anyone have any thoughts about finding a historical town about 14 miles from Santa Maria de Los Angeles in Jalisco?

I'm doing a bit of fishing and was wondering if someone has this film
if you would mind doing a look up for me?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)

Hello everyone my name is Lona Rivera, I am new to Nuestros Ranchos, but not to genealogy.
I am beginning research on my mother's Perez line. I know that my great grandfather was Magdaleno Perez born about 1886 at Hacienda de Cedros, Zacatecas.

Hello Ronnie and Irene,

My husband's maternal great-grandmother Maria Aniseta Losano Aguirre bapt 20 April 1829 Nochistlan was married to a Domingo Lomelin on 27 Nov 1857 (IGI M606263 Nochistlan). This couple were the parents of Agustin Aguirre Lomeli (IGI J606246 Nochistlan).

I am Irene (Nena) Garcia-Sandoval and I want to take this opportunity to introduce myself to what appears to be quite a lively and active geneological group with names that belong to me too!
I was born and raised in Texas, and did some geneology research about 10 years ago, but I have forgotten what little I learned and will have to go through the learning process again. I'm really happy to see how much more information there is out there now and am excited about getting back to it.

In my researching through baptism records, in those from the early eighteen
hundreds, 1807-1818, which I have thus far found, I have come across an
abbreviated term, possibly Latin and always underlined. I am unable to

I wanted to pass on publicly a major message of thanks to my good
friend, Kitty Cortez. Her work and her husband, Rich's work for the
group have been fabulous. For many many months Kitty has single handedly

My name is Joshua Goodson. I do not have much information except what I have learned from my mother. My Grandfather was born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. His name was Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born about 1923 and died in 1997 in California, USA. I am not sure when he moved to the United States. I was told he had a couple of sisters and maybe two brothers from Aguascalientes. They may still be living so cannot post their names. I have pictures that were sent from his family in Aguas (all were dated in the 1950's and were stamped with by a portrait studio in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I really want to know more about him and my ancestors. He also had nephews and other family there. If anyone know anything at all, please let me know. I am new to this! Thank you....

Hi,

I'm looking for a volunteer to send out 15 day notices to new applicants
that haven't responded after they have initially applied and then send
out a second and final notice to applicants that haven't responded after