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leticia leon wrote:

One historical era of my ancestors rancho started around the 1980's.
My ancestors land became the land of the absent (well regarding this
story matter), young people emigrated to US east side the most, and I
don't know yet how they started, but they opened taco shops -one brand
name is "taqueria Jalisco"-, one of the two pioneers died soon from
cancer illness, the other nowdays sells concessions of his brand name,
the widow of the death one converted the ranch of my
great-greatgrandpha into a spanish hollywood mansion style vacation
retreat but kept the old adobe house. Well, one day, out of my
delirious mind trying to drive a time travel machine, had the idea of
enter a web site: jesusmariajal.com, cause even when many times I just
visited the site, never ocurred to me to participate (diablos!), this
site is almost exclusive for the absent, those that went to counquer
(pardon if my english is not goo! d enough) the US with tacos instead
of municion. Remember in the primaria school teacher call the list and
when one hear our name stand up and yelled "presente!"? well, I did
enter the site, send a message with an antique photo and they started
answering "presente"! from all over US, from California, Ohio,
Illinoi, Virginia, Georgia, Texas,

Yo vivo en Norte Carolina dijame unos nombres de los
restaurantes/taqueria's que estan por aqui. Me dio mucho gusto que
hallaste mucha familia y estan un poco reunidos. . .ojala que pueden un
dia tener un reunion grande.

Regarding Tomas Alva Edison...
A couple of years ago, I had a number of people from
Zacatecas tell me that Tomas Edison was originally
from Zacatecas.  Hard to believe it, but possible. 
And why not, Walt Disney was of latino parents. So was
Rita Hayward, Anthony Quinn, George Bush Jr., Governor
Richardson from New Mexico, the last major league
baseball player to hit over .400 (William's I
believe), Linda Ronstadt, and many others that I
cannot remember.  And I sure there will many more
within our life time.

Hey, don't forget we come from great stock.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- aajay1073 <aajay1073@...> wrote:

> Here is a partial family tree for Thomas Alva
> Edison:
> http://www.genealogy.com/famousfolks/thomas-edison/
> 
> Here is a bio page:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Alva_Edison
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Angie
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez"
> <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joseph:
> > 
> > I ran into a bit of information that I find hard
> to believe.
> > I have a book titled: Teocaltiche Tierra de
> Arrieros y Hacendados 
> con 
> > Familias Ilustres.  The author is Nicolas de Anda
> Sanches.
> > 
> > On page 47. I quote:  " Tambien de este linaje
> desciende Dn. Juan 
> de 
> > Alva que era arriero o carretero en el siglo
> pasado y que segun Dn. 
> > Victoriano Salado Alvarez, iba hasta los estados
> de Nuevo Mexico y 
> > Texas, a él se le atribuye ser el padre del
> "scientifico 
> patentador" de 
> > miles de inventos, Dn. Tomas Alva Edison, nos lo
> comenta en el 
> capitulo 
> > II de sus Memorias, correspondiendole a
> Encarnación de Diaz, ser la 
> > abuela de dicho personaje." 
> > 
> > I always thought that Thomas Edison's family came
> from Canada.
> > 
> > Can anybody shed some light on this? Any ideas?
> > 
> > John Gonzalez
> > Wildomar CA.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Hola Ranchos members:

Check out this link:  http://www.adabi.org.mx/adabi.htm

This is a group in Mexico City that was formed to preserve the 
Historical Archives and Libraries of Mexico.  Organizations are sent an 
invitation to petition for project funding.  They are required to 
complete the project or return the funds to Adabi.  The projects range 
from $5,000 pesos to 12,500 pesos (that's roughtly $500-$1,200 US) per 
project.  One project in Durango was to scan, catalog and create a 
database.  ADABI donated the scanner, the computer and a desk.  The 
recipient committed to completing the project within 10 months.  They 
show other projects where old maps have been restored, etc.

Maria

Jose Alfredo,
According to the Plan General de la Obra in Tomo I, Torres, de la Torre-
Ledesma, and Romo de Vivar will be covered  in Tomo IV.  That book has 
not been published. 
Maria 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, jjetmech01@a... wrote:
>
> Maria 
> I am interesteed in two families the first is Romo de Vivar and the 
other is 
> the De La Torre families.
> I am also interested in getting information on how I could acquire 
the books 
> of the Retonios de Espania en la Nueva Galicia
> Thanks 
> Jose Alfredo De La Torre Romo
>

You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from
Los Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la
Cruz. Her great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is
also the ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named
Gonzalo settled in Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza
lineage establishing the Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.

Please open the attached file. You may want to first print it if you
actually plan on being able to read it.

I also have the alteño lineage of Tomas de Alva (aka Alva Edison) from
either Lagos de Moreno or Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. According to
the legend, his parents travelled up to the United States and was
adopted by the Edison family. There might be something to the legend,
because in Lagos and Encarnacion there a lot of members of the family
de ALBA\ALVA. If you check out the 1850, 1860, and 1870 United States
Censuses on Ancestry.com, you will see that he as not named Thomas.
His name just appears as "Alva." In one census there are is a little ^
mark where someone inserted the name Thomas. Interesting huh? Check
it out for yourself.

Here's something I found on the website
http://www.webstationone.com/fecha/edison.htm :

Most people believe Thomas Alva Edison was born in Milan, Ohio. But
there is a legend in Mexico that "Tomas" Alva was born in Lagos de
Moreno, then taken to the U.S. as a toddler and adopted into the Edison
family. The legend, true or not, testifies, at least, to the
international veneration that this most prolific inventor enjoys, even
today. Who wouldn't want to claim Edison as a native son?

Steven Hernanadez:
Thank you for the information on Sor Juana - she was who first came to 
mind when I read Joseph's question. 

Everyone:
Now - for those familiar with timeline history for Aguas., Jalisco, and 
Zacatecas: What was going on in those localities during Sor Juana's 
lifetime (1648-169* - can't remember the exact year)?

Everyone: Happy New Year, and may you have many research sucesses in 
2006.

Natalie Castro Coleman in VA,
researching CASTRO, GARCIA, DUEÑAS from Hacienda Astillero and (Rancho?)
San Miguel(Valparaiso District), and Sombrerete, Zacatecas.

Here is a partial family tree for Thomas Alva Edison:
http://www.genealogy.com/famousfolks/thomas-edison/

Here is a bio page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Alva_Edison

Hope this helps,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joseph:
> 
> I ran into a bit of information that I find hard to believe.
> I have a book titled: Teocaltiche Tierra de Arrieros y Hacendados 
con 
> Familias Ilustres.  The author is Nicolas de Anda Sanches.
> 
> On page 47. I quote:  " Tambien de este linaje desciende Dn. Juan 
de 
> Alva que era arriero o carretero en el siglo pasado y que segun Dn. 
> Victoriano Salado Alvarez, iba hasta los estados de Nuevo Mexico y 
> Texas, a él se le atribuye ser el padre del "scientifico 
patentador" de 
> miles de inventos, Dn. Tomas Alva Edison, nos lo comenta en el 
capitulo 
> II de sus Memorias, correspondiendole a Encarnación de Diaz, ser la 
> abuela de dicho personaje." 
> 
> I always thought that Thomas Edison's family came from Canada.
> 
> Can anybody shed some light on this? Any ideas?
> 
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar CA.
>

my shallowness provoked me to ask the question. I was hoping for an
example or two and you all provided them. thanks.

joseph

Bingo!  The only one paying attention.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> wrote:
>
> Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> > 
> > The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates
> > back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in
> > Latin America.  Read the quote below:
> > 

Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...>
wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates
> back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in
> Latin America.  Read the quote below:
> 
> En la "CEDULA REAL SOBRE LA FUNDACION DE LA
> UNIVERSIDAD DE MEXICO" se menciona  "Dada en la
> ciudad de Toro en 21 del mes de septiembre de 1551".
> Fue dictada por  el Rey y Emperador Carlos V.
> Menciona el Emperador en la Cedula: "he sido 
> suplicado fuesemos servidos de tener por bien que en
> la dicha ciudad de Mexico  se fundase un estudio e
> UNIVERSIDAD DE TODAS LAS CIENCIAS DONDE LOS
> NATURALES Y  LOS HIJOS DE ESPAÑOLES fuesen
> industriados en las cosas de nuestra Santa Fe 
> Catolica en las demas facultades Y LES CONCEDIESEMOS
> LOS PRIVILEGIOS Y  FRANQUEZAS Y LIBERTADES QUE ASI
> TIENE EL ESTUDIO E UNIVERSIDAD DE LA CIUDAD DE 
> SALAMANCA..." "Desde los primeros tiempos de su
> fundacion la Universidad Real y  Pontificia se rigio
> por las Constituciones de la Universidad de
> Salamanca,  modificadas en algunos aspectos por el
> Virrey y la Audiencia, para adaptarlas al  medio
> donde tenian que prestar sus servicios." Fuentes:
> "La educacion en Mexico.  Antes y despues de la
> conquista" Paula Alegria.
>  
> The first printing press was brought to Mexico in
> 1539, another first in Latin America.  
> 
>  There were always learned individuals but I suspect
> that there were very few in relation to the total
> population of the time.  I think that nowadays it is
> tempting to 
> subestimate or not give enough credit to the
> habilites and capacities of those that lived a few
> centuries before us.
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
> <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > So during the colonial times were there any
> learned indivduals in 
> > Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors?
> Architects? Poets? etc?
> > 
> > I guess I'm looking for that time period from the
> Conquest to the 
> > 1800's. I realize that the closer you get to
> current times you will have 
> > a much larger selection of examples of the above,
> but I'm wondering what 
> > was going on during the 400 years between

Hi Joseph:

I ran into a bit of information that I find hard to believe.
I have a book titled: Teocaltiche Tierra de Arrieros y Hacendados con 
Familias Ilustres.  The author is Nicolas de Anda Sanches.

On page 47. I quote:  " Tambien de este linaje desciende Dn. Juan de 
Alva que era arriero o carretero en el siglo pasado y que segun Dn. 
Victoriano Salado Alvarez, iba hasta los estados de Nuevo Mexico y 
Texas, a él se le atribuye ser el padre del "scientifico patentador" de 
miles de inventos, Dn. Tomas Alva Edison, nos lo comenta en el capitulo 
II de sus Memorias, correspondiendole a Encarnación de Diaz, ser la 
abuela de dicho personaje." 

I always thought that Thomas Edison's family came from Canada.

Can anybody shed some light on this? Any ideas?

John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.
  

So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?

I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?

just curious,

joseph

ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I
wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?

Joseph,

The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in Latin America.  Read the quote below:

with regards to the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. What topics
dealing with Mexican History would you be interested in listening to?
I'm trying to get up a list of topics to pursue getting someone to talk
about.

joseph

Maria

I am interesteed in two families the first is Romo de Vivar and the other is the De La Torre families.

I am also interested in getting information on how I could acquire the books of the Retonios de Espania en la Nueva Galicia

Thanks

Jose Alfredo De La Torre Romo

So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?

I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?

just curious,

joseph

ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?