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ok, in the original picture (I should do this in the first place)the 
militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on the shoulders; the 
other, with an eagle badge has two capital letters on the collar C and 
P. In the site www.en.wikipedia.org I found for the mexican army that 
three bars mean Capitan Segundo (Senior Captain)and three bars with 
the one in the middle been shorter means Capitan Primero (Captain) so 
I have know why the eagle on the chest and CP on the collar. 

John
As a former Marine I don't believe you are correct:
Two bars in the U.S. Navy was a Lieutenent. A Captain
insignia in the Navy an Eagle. The Navy LT. did wear
two bars {bands} but on his sleeve. The Captain had
four on his.

Jose Munoz

--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> I don't believe your husband is right when he says
> that rank insignia is universal. One example: Navy 
> A Captain's insigia is 2 bars, but in Mexico is
> three bars.  U.S. Navy isignia are also different
> from the U.S. Air Force.
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garcia 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:20 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Rank Of Leticia's Ancestors
> 
> 
>   Hi, Leticia,
> 
>   My husband was in the U. S. Marines, and he said
> that rank insignia are universal.  He says the man
> sitting in the chair is a Captain (capitan).  The
> other man with the blue eyes and a badge on his
> chest and insignia on his collar (it looks like an
> eagle-emblem), is a Major (mayor?).  The rank above
> major is Lt. Colonel.
> 
>   Emilie Garcia
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Adressed to the Rancho member inquiry: Military Rank of ancestors. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_Mexican_military 

offers good contents.

Jose Munoz

No, but that's what I thought at first myself. It says he was from Spain originally but resident in this area (Zacatecas) for 18 years. Marge:)



On Dec 2, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

<x-tad-smaller>Marge,</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Did I read correctly in your message below---the groom was 18 years old and the bride over 50?</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Emilie Garcia</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Port Orchard, WA --</x-tad-smaller>

Hi Alicia:

I am really confused about your husbands gg grandparents. I am having a 
hard time trying to picture the relationship. Can you find an easy way 
to explain it so that a dummy like me can understand it?

Jhon Gonzalez.

Carol:

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Roolo 167998 OAH 2358
pt. 2. Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1730.  28 de abril
de 1730.   Pg. 302 - #1625.
Villanueva, Zac. Abril 28 de 1730. Exp. 27.  Mentions
declaracion del Cap. CRISTOBAL DEL MURO, de 64 anos de
edad: 

Jose Munoz

--- Carol Turner <cmuroturner@...> wrote:

> My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro,
> Sanchez,
> Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
> Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
> mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
> submit more of our family tree since right now I
> just
> have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
> Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
> back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records
> were
> in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles,
> Villanueva
> and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
> haven't been able to break through my brick wall
> with
> Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).
> 
> Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
> to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
> those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of
> you
> are true researchers and have helped so many of us
> with new ideas!!!!
> 
> Carol Muro-Turner
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> 
> > Jose:
> > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> > (Lo
> > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches
> in
> > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> > wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> > time. 
> > 
> > 
> > Alberto
> > 
> > --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families
> did
> > > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > > uncles
> > > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> > of
> > > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> > family
> > > ties? 
> > > 
> > > Written on some of the church documents that I
> > > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> > > Pueblo
> > > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara
> mention.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez
> > was

Alberto
Thanks for the information. So many common
locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask the
Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
Castallanos Sanchez? 

Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family
in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
improve the color of green on the tree. 

Thanks for the reply

Jose Munoz 

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
> > ties? 
> > 
> > Written on some of the church documents that I
> > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> > Pueblo
> > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention.
> 
> > 
> > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez
> was
> > one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> > according
> > to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> > money
> > now.
> > 
> > Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > 
> >   
> > --- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the
> following??
> > 
> > > 
> > > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH
> > 3241
> > > pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII. 
> 19
> > > de
> > > Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.             
>  
> >  
> > >  
> > >                 
> > > 
> > > Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de
> > > cuatro
> > > grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
> > > CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
> > > Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de
> > > guadalajara,
> > > hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
> > > JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la

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My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro, Sanchez,
Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
submit more of our family tree since right now I just
have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records were
in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles, Villanueva
and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
haven't been able to break through my brick wall with
Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).

Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you
are true researchers and have helped so many of us
with new ideas!!!!

Carol Muro-Turner

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
> > ties? 
> > 
> > Written on some of the church documents that I
> > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> > Pueblo
> > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention.
> 
> > 
> > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez
> was
> > one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> > according
> > to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> > money
> > now.
> > 
> > Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > 
> >   
> > --- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the
> following??
> > 
> > > 
> > > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH
> > 3241
> > > pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII. 
> 19
> > > de
> > > Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.             
>  
> >  

Jose:
I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased (Lo
de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that time. 


Alberto

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> uncles
> (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
> Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
> ties? 
> 
> Written on some of the church documents that I
> researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> Pueblo
> de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 
> 
> Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
> one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> according
> to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> money
> now.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> 
>   
> --- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
> 
> > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following??
> 
> > 
> > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH
> 3241
> > pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19
> > de
> > Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.               
>  
> >  
> >                 
> > 
> > Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de
> > cuatro
> > grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
> > CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
> > Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de
> > guadalajara,
> > hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
> > JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
> > jurisdiccion de le ; pretende casarse con
> > Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
> > BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos
> > del
> > partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
> > XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino
> del
> > Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha
> > Ciudad
> > de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO
> DE
> > HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
> > THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL
> > SANCHEZ,
> > padre legitimo del dicho RODRIGO SANCHEZ. Y que el
> > dicho HERNANDO DE HARO, tuvo por su hija legitima
> a
> > Dona LORENZA DE HARO, la cual fue casada con

I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my uncles
(Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
ties? 

Written on some of the church documents that I
researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names Pueblo
de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 

Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas, according
to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his money
now.

Alberto Duarte Prieto

  
--- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:

> Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 
> 
> Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
> pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19
> de
> Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                 
>  
>                 
> 
> Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de
> cuatro
> grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
> CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
> Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de
> guadalajara,
> hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
> JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
> jurisdiccion de le ; pretende casarse con
> Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
> BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos
> del
> partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
> XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino del
> Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha
> Ciudad
> de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO DE
> HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
> THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL
> SANCHEZ,
> padre legitimo del dicho RODRIGO SANCHEZ. Y que el
> dicho HERNANDO DE HARO, tuvo por su hija legitima a
> Dona LORENZA DE HARO, la cual fue casada con
> BARTOLOME
> DE LUNA, y de su matrimonio tuvieron por su hija
> legitma a la dicha Dona JUANA DE LUNA, pretensa
> contrayente. Se otorgo la dispensa en La Ciudad de
> Guadalajara en 21 de Junio de 1684, y licencia para
> que los case el Cura del Pueblo de Talltenango.  7
> fojas.
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> 
> > Are we just all related?
> > I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from
> > Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from
> Jerez. 

Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19 de
Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                   
                

Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de cuatro
grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de guadalajara,
hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
jurisdiccion de le Fresnillo; pretende casarse con
Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos del
partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino del
Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha Ciudad
de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO DE
HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL SANCHEZ,
padre legitimo del dicho RODRIGO SANCHEZ. Y que el
dicho HERNANDO DE HARO, tuvo por su hija legitima a
Dona LORENZA DE HARO, la cual fue casada con BARTOLOME
DE LUNA, y de su matrimonio tuvieron por su hija
legitma a la dicha Dona JUANA DE LUNA, pretensa
contrayente. Se otorgo la dispensa en La Ciudad de
Guadalajara en 21 de Junio de 1684, y licencia para
que los case el Cura del Pueblo de Talltenango.  7
fojas.

Jose Munoz

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> Are we just all related?
> I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from
> Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from Jerez. 
> Two of my great------grandmothers from Jerez were
> from
> Sanchez family and my uncle Tribucio Duarte and
> Francisco Castellano Sanchez were business partners
> back in 1815.  I do know that Francisco Castellanos
> was originally from Aguascalientes.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Just posting some info I have found--
> > 
> > "Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748.  Exp. 24 -
> > Informacion 
> > Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas. 
> En
> > el Real de San 
> > Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la
> > informacion de Don 
> > Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del
> > puerto de Marin en 
> > Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de

The exploitation and enslavement of 500 years,from
Mexico's caste and colonial system under the
Encomienda, are rooted deep within all of us. A weed
is a hard thing eradicate. Remember when you had
Dallas grass? Hopefully these last 50 years of
struggling against racial nationalism(e.g. defeat of
the Nazi's,collapse of Communism and the development
of the American Civil Rights Movement and birth of the
Rock 'n Roll and Salsa) will give fruit to a more
equal distribution of the benefits of being
alive,well, singing and dancing in these times. 

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Well, according to some, I made some misconceived
> assumptions in my posting about the uncanny
> resemblance of some people in the religious and
> merchant and military communities of Jalisco and
> Aguascalientes (the altenos, as Irma says). 
> However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about
> Colotlan, Spaniards and Indians were segregated
> prior to 1821, and I know of some that kept their
> racial lily-white "purity" to recent times, my
> husband's people, for instance.  According to my
> mother-in-law and her sisters (now long dead), no
> one in their families or their in-laws' families had
> "ever mixed with Indians".  They were accomplished
> pianists, etc. and educated.  My husband and his
> brother are also averse to manual labor.  I can't
> ask my husband to fix anything around here.  He says
> "they have people that do that; call someone".  In
> California I had maids and gardeners, but up here I
> have bark, boulders, and native shrubs instead of
> lawn, and the house gets cleaned when I can't stand
> the dust bunnies any longer.  I've become very handy
> with tools, too.
> 
> My husband and his brother were the first in their
> families to marry dark olive skinned girls though
> they themselves weren't averse to using the term
> "chicanos prietos" or "indios surumatos".  My
> sister-in-law once made the statement that she would
> only marry "white" and she did.  My mother-in-law
> favored those grandchildren.  My husband's aunt in
> Mexico City, a profesora and former nun, was very
> critical of "inditos" and "rancheros".  She couldn't
> understand why everyone in Mexico couldn't get a
> higher education.  My mother-in-law took every
> opportunity to disparage my complexion.  When losing

Are we just all related?
I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from
Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from Jerez. 
Two of my great------grandmothers from Jerez were from
Sanchez family and my uncle Tribucio Duarte and
Francisco Castellano Sanchez were business partners
back in 1815.  I do know that Francisco Castellanos
was originally from Aguascalientes.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Just posting some info I have found--
> 
> "Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748.  Exp. 24 -
> Informacion 
> Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas.  En
> el Real de San 
> Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la
> informacion de Don 
> Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del
> puerto de Marin en 
> Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez
> y ocho anyos, hijo 
> legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria
> Gonzalez de 
> Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa.
> de mas de 50 anyos 
> de edad, originaria y vecina de la Villa de Xeres,
> viuda de Don 
> Francisco del Muro, tiempo ha de quatro anyos, hija
> legitima de Don 
> Joseph Sanchez Castellanos y de Dony Juana de Luna."
> 
> Well, this Joseph Sanchez Castellanos is the nephew
> of my ancestor 
> Francisco de Chavez Banuelos.  Wow! How great to
> find peripheral 
> relatives!!! I love it when I find branches of my
> ancestors' families!  
> MargeV:)
> 
> 



		
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