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Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
some guidance and contacts.   

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.   

I have one ancestress whose birth record lists her as mestisa (that's how it was spelled) but her parents are listed in Luz M. Hilton's book as espagnoles and her son's birth record lists him as espagnol--go figure!!:( I think it had to do with did her parents (who were aristocrats, I might add) pay the priest enough for the baptism? Probably not. Marge:)

On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, lareina2@... wrote:

I'm hoping someone has the answer to why different classification are 
used for the same race.  I'm working on my Rolon line from Zapotlan El 
Grande and Tamazula.. Listings include Mulato, Lobo and Morisco for 
Blacks... why are they not all called the same thing? These are 
marriage records from the mid 1700's. They also put Blacks in a 
different leger than Espanoles and Mestizo's, does anyone know if 
there is a reason for this?
Linda from Wa. 

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You can filter your searches at Google using the minus sign (-).  For
example, the expression: genealogía duarte -portugal, will exclude all
the pages that have the word portugal.  Need to play around with your
search expressions.  You can combine several filters as well as words
within quotes and words without quotes in the same expression.

It helps reviewing the search tips from Google itself once in a while.
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html 

Victor Villarreal
México


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> wrote:
> I hope you had better luck that me.  I use google but
> when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I
> receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and
> very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from
> Mexico.
> 
> But google is a good source.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 

I hope you had better luck that me.  I use google but
when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I
receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and
very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from
Mexico.

But google is a good source.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@...> wrote:

> 
> I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez
> Vizcarra" and got two good
> websites......try it!
> 
> Josie in San Antonio, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570
> 
> 
> Message: 5         
>    Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000
>    From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>
> Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th  and 17th
> Centuries in Nueva Galicia
> 
> Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.
>  If anybody knows
> anything about it, please let me know.  I am going
> to peruse it over at the
> Library of Congress one of these days.
> 
> Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio.
> Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de
> Difuntos de la Nueva
> Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez
> Vizcarra.
> México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e
> Historia, 1978.
> 61 p. ; 27 cm. 
> 
> 
> 
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I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez Vizcarra" and got two good
websites......try it!

Josie in San Antonio, TX


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570


Message: 5         
   Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000
   From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>
Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th  and 17th Centuries in Nueva Galicia

Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.  If anybody knows
anything about it, please let me know.  I am going to peruse it over at the
Library of Congress one of these days.

Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio.
Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la Nueva
Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra.
México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978.
61 p. ; 27 cm. 

Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.  If anybody knows 
anything about it, please let me know.  I am going to peruse it over at 
the Library of Congress one of these days.

Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio.
Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la 
Nueva Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra.
México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978.
61 p. ; 27 cm.

Alberto:

Thanks for the information.  Based on that article, I found a very 
useful book on the topic, which Schmal references:

People of the Peyote: Huichol Indian History, Religion, & Survival 
(Paperback) by Stacy B. Schaefer (Editor), Peter T. Furst (Editor)

I also ordered one of his books on genealogy.

Mexican-American Genealogical Research: Following the Paper Trail to 
Mexico (Paperback) by John Schmal, Donna Morales

I have also found a couple of books published by a University in 
Tlaxcala that are precisely on the topic of Tlaxacltec settlements in 
Zacatecas:

Los tlaxcaltecas en el estado de Zacatecas: sublevaciones 
Autor: Elva Martínez Rivera 
ISBN: 968-7727-33-0 

Constructores de la nación. La migración tlaxcalteca en el norte de 
la Nueva España
Autor: Israel Cavazos Garza
ISBN: 968-7727-36-5 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
> John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the
> Chichimecas.  
> 
> Please go to and see:
> 
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.h
tml
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody have any information on the forced
> > immigration of 
> > Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of
> > Colotlan, San Luis 
> > Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591?  The involuntary
> > migration was 
> > organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to
> > bring pacified 
> > settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish
> > were to that date 
> > unable to pacify the local Indios.
> > 
> > These were appartently a large percentage of the
> > original settlers in 
> > both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Thank you for your help, especially the map!  I do believe my Mendez 
family from Tamazula may have come from Michoacan... Looks like many 
people followed the jobs, my family seems to have worked the sugar 
cane.  
thank you again, Linda in Wa.

Could it be Zamora, Michoacán? 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.htm&h=360&w=490&sz=69&tbnid=WXREAccOoCQJ:&tbnh=93&tbnw=127&hl=en&ei=w7T4Qq6jKZyaaIfJnZ8L&sig2=U7X-f48YUmMGXxUe5V8RFw&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichoacan%2Bmap%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-32,GGLG:en


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
> I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco 
> and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the 
> map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a 
> neighboring state?  The time period is around 1750.
> thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.

I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco 
and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the 
map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a 
neighboring state?  The time period is around 1750.
thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.

New Mexico State U. has filmed 3 archives from Mexico: three 
collections in Durango--"the archives from the Durango Cathedral, 
the state's notary records and a portion of the colonial materials 
from the state historical archives."  The Sombrerete will be the 4th 
one.  

NMSU worked with the town council to gain permission to film those 
documents from Sombrerete.  The person in charge at NMSU is 
Dennis Daily.  Perhaps you can contact him and inquire about future 
projects.

Gloria

I hoping and dreaming.....
I'm hoping they do the cities of Zacatecas, Jerez,
Vetagrande, and Panuca, in the future.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> Gloria,
>  
> Is this the only municipality in Zacatecas that they
> will be filming? Just curious as to why only this
> region and not others. Maybe someone at the
> university is from that area?
>  
> Alicia
> 
> gmccrary@... wrote:
> In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State
> University in Las 
> Cruces, I found the following article:
> 
> NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete,
> Zacatecas.  It will 
> take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film.
> "The archive 
> houses little used, but incredibly rich
> documentation for the period 
> of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th
> century."
> 
> Among the materials are the church sacramental
> records such as 
> the marriage records from 1738-1764.
> 
> I am looking forward to the completion of the
> filming.  Many of my 
> ancestors came from Sombrerete.  Don Diego de Vargas
> recruited 
> many of his NM colonizers from this area.  Many of
> us from NM 
> trace our roots to this region.
> 
> Gloria
> 
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I hoping and dreaming.....
I'm hoping they do the cities of Zacatecas, Jerez,
Vetagrande, and Panuca, in the future.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> Gloria,
>  
> Is this the only municipality in Zacatecas that they
> will be filming? Just curious as to why only this
> region and not others. Maybe someone at the
> university is from that area?
>  
> Alicia
> 
> gmccrary@... wrote:
> In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State
> University in Las 
> Cruces, I found the following article:
> 
> NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete,
> Zacatecas.  It will 
> take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film.
> "The archive 
> houses little used, but incredibly rich
> documentation for the period 
> of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th
> century."
> 
> Among the materials are the church sacramental
> records such as 
> the marriage records from 1738-1764.
> 
> I am looking forward to the completion of the
> filming.  Many of my 
> ancestors came from Sombrerete.  Don Diego de Vargas
> recruited 
> many of his NM colonizers from this area.  Many of
> us from NM 
> trace our roots to this region.
> 
> Gloria
> 
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In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las
Cruces, I found the following article:

NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas.  It will
take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive
houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period
of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century."

Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as
the marriage records from 1738-1764.

I am looking forward to the completion of the filming.  Many of my
ancestors came from Sombrerete.  Don Diego de Vargas recruited
many of his NM colonizers from this area.  Many of us from NM
trace our roots to this region.

Gloria

I have enjoyed reading the various contributions of the ranchos members 
regarding immigration stories. Struggles, sacrifices, and successes. 
Someone asked if I was the immigrant - I am not; my father came to this 
country in 1916 when he was 4 years old. His genealogy and a brief 
story (one paragraph) regarding an episode in that journey is in the 
files (JJ Castro). That brief paragraph explains with whom he traveled.
Thanks again - are there any other immigration stories? I will have to 
compose the rest of my family's story, and hope to post in a few days. 
(I'm afraid I don't have as many details as some of you.)

Natalie in VA

In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las 
Cruces, I found the following article:

NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas.  It will 
take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive 
houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period 
of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century."

Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as 
the marriage records from 1738-1764.

I am looking forward to the completion of the filming.  Many of my 
ancestors came from Sombrerete.  Don Diego de Vargas recruited 
many of his NM colonizers from this area.  Many of us from NM 
trace our roots to this region.

Gloria

For those that don't know John Schmal, he is probably
the leading historian on Zacatecas that I know, which
includes both Zacatecas and the United States.  You
can also write to him and he will reply.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the
> Chichimecas.  
> 
> Please go to and see:
>
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.html
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody have any information on the forced
> > immigration of 
> > Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of
> > Colotlan, San Luis 
> > Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591?  The
> involuntary
> > migration was 
> > organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to
> > bring pacified 
> > settlers to promising mining areas where the
> Spanish
> > were to that date 
> > unable to pacify the local Indios.
> > 
> > These were appartently a large percentage of the
> > original settlers in 
> > both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the
Chichimecas.  

Please go to and see:
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.html

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> Does anybody have any information on the forced
> immigration of 
> Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of
> Colotlan, San Luis 
> Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591?  The involuntary
> migration was 
> organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to
> bring pacified 
> settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish
> were to that date 
> unable to pacify the local Indios.
> 
> These were appartently a large percentage of the
> original settlers in 
> both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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