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Does anybody have any information on the forced immigration of 
Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of Colotlan, San Luis 
Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591?  The involuntary migration was 
organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to bring pacified 
settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish were to that date 
unable to pacify the local Indios.

These were appartently a large percentage of the original settlers in 
both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.

A sad story but a happy ending.
Our story is almost the same.  After my grandfather
Alberto Duarte Vasquez died in 1923, in Mapimi, my
grandmother Maria Luz Cuevas Luera gathered all of her
5 kids and headed for El Paso, Texas, where she lived
and eventually died after some 40 years.  The Mexican
civil war of 1915 and the flu epidemic devastated most
of the population of central Mexican states.  Over
half of my dad's family died because of the flu
epidemic, which led of my grandfather's heavy drinking
and eventual death.  

The good part of this story is that my grandmother saw
that there was no future for her kids in Mexico and
did something about it.

But can you imagine, my ancestors to come to the new
world about 1550 and prospered in Zacatecas and
Chihuahua, become ranchers, farmers, generals,
lawyers, governors, teachers, musicians, after a short
time in new Spain and Mexico, but eventually all this
was lost for most of them, and they came to this
country penniless but with hope. And again, we are
building a new generation of teachers, writers,
engineers, accountants, managers, officers, lawyers,
politicians, and farmers, all in this country called
the United States of America. We are lucky!

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California



--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> My father, Guadalupe Olague, born in Jerez, Zac. on
> January 28, 1903, immigrated to the US via Juarez-El
> Paso in 1913.  He had legal alien status.  His
> father and grandmother and sister settled in Brush,
> Morgan County, Colorado, where I was born in 1939. 
> In 1941 my father, at my mother's insistence (she
> was a native of New Mexico), became a Naturalized
> Citizen.  During WWII, my father and his uncle and
> cousins relocated to Northern California where they
> obtained jobs in defense plants.  He had sent my
> mother, my sister and myself to my mother's
> relatives in New Mexico. My father was a welder at
> the shipyards that were building the Liberty ships. 
> After the war, he went to work as a welder for
> Westinghouse in Sunnyvale, CA, and he sent for us
> around 1948 and they bought a house in San Jose near
> Willow Glen.  My husband's mother and siblings also
> moved to California around the same time from El
> Paso, TX.  My husband was a friend of one of my
> cousins.  We married in 1962 and lived in Silicon
> Valley until 1996 when we retired and moved to

I took a trip to look for my grandfather's birthplace and I found it!
The house where he was born is nothing but adobe ruins, but I expected
that, since he was born in 1875 and the family left it in 1917 to come
to California...The ranch, "Los Portales" is located about three miles
south of Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. That town is full of beautiful
girls...The whole town is in a festive mood already. Decorating for
the August 15 Fiesta.
I also found a living cousin in one family line and three others that
I am pretty sure are related. I need to look at some more data to
analyze and find the connection to them.  I visited Santo Toribio's
Church in Santa Ana. It is a beautiful and well kept place of worship.
I was told by one of the workers there, that since he became a saint,
everybody named ROMO or GONZALEZ is trying to establish a
relationship
to the saint. "Where were all these relatives when he needed help?" He
asked...

Note to Irma Gomez Lucero:

I have some specific information that might be of interest to you.. 
Will email you later.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA

City Hall......
My 3 uncles went to Mapimi, Durango, to get copies of
their birth certificates in and about 1952, also.  The
Mapimi city recording clerk charged them $5.00 for
their certificates; he offer to put any date they
wanted on the births certificates!

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> I have a link to my father's family tree in
> WorldConnect in the files for this group.  My
> grandfather was Francisco Olague and my grandmother
> was Gorgonia Garcia.  I have searched the IGI and
> the LDS films for Jerez, but have not been able to
> find a birth record there for either of them, nor
> for my father. My father obtained a birth
> certificate by going to Jerez and hiring a lawyer
> there prior to his filing for Social Security
> benefits. Francisco's father was Pedro Olague and
> his mother was Rafaela Tinajero.  Yes, that is my
> father's Social Security record you found in the
> SSDI  I was just relating the story of how and when
> my immigrant father came to the U. S. in response to
> someone's asking how our immigrants came to the U.
> S.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arturo Ramos
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:22 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: My Father's Immigration
> 
> What were the names of your grandfather and
> grandmother?  The  
> baptismal records of the parish in Jerez, Zacatecas
> are extracted  
> through the end of the 1800s on the LDS Church's IGI
> database, so you  
> should be able to find their records there, but
> there are lots of  
> Olagues in that city so you will need some more
> information... Do you  
> have a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate
> or know what his  
> maternal (second) last name was?
> 
> Go to http://www.familysearch.org and select
> International  
> Genealogical Index on the left and then type in your
> last name and  
> select Mexico and Zacatecas in the region fields at
> the bottom.
> 
> I take it this social security death record is your
> father's?
> 
> Guadalupe OLAGUE    
>     Birth Date: 28 Jan 1903   
>     Death Date: Sep 1966   
>     Social Security Number:  523-12-6413   
>     State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: 
> Colorado  
>    

I took a trip to look for my grandfather's birthplace and I found it!
The house where he was born is nothing but adobe ruins, but I expected 
that, since he was born in 1875 and the family left it in 1917 to come 
to California...The ranch, "Los Portales" is located about three miles 
south of Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. That town is full of beautiful 
girls...The whole town is in a festive mood already. Decorating for 
the August 15 Fiesta.
I also found a living cousin in one family line and three others that 
I am pretty sure are related. I need to look at some more data to 
analyze and find the connection to them.  I visited Santo Toribio's 
Church in Santa Ana. It is a beautiful and well kept place of worship. 
I was told by one of the workers there, that since he became a saint, 
everybody named ROMO or GONZALEZ is trying to establish a relationship 
to the saint. "Where were all these relatives when he needed help?" He 
asked...

Note to Irma Gomez Lucero:

I have some specific information that might be of interest to you..  
Will email you later.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA

Kitty 
How fascinating. I went to Mountain View High
1960-1961... new school Chester F. Awalt last 3
{1961-1964} years. I recall Stevens Creek Dam quite
well. My older brother and I loved the recreational
facilities {fishing},and Barbque pit area.
Permanente Creek...well it was my turf. Poison oak and
all... I would venture that Creek from one sector ro
another...on to Layola Corner and Mc Kelvey Park.

 I've enjoyed the stories immensely(sp).  Real people,
time, suffering, sacrifice, and family.

Thanks for sharing.

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, CA

--- Kitty Cortez <kcortez@...> wrote:

> Jose,  
> My father also immigrated in 1920 at the age of
> 7years old.  He along with
> his brother (age 6) arrived with their mother
> Concepcion Tato Chiono.  They
> settled in Santa Clara, California 
> Jul 1914, Concepcion Tato b. Banamichi, Sonora,
> Mexico, married Pietro
> Chiono b. Italy, who was in charge of the silver
> mine in  Banamichi.  In
> 1917 Concepcion Tato lost her daughter Ma. Antonia
> CHIONO when she fell out
> of a high chair.  Her husband Pietro CHIONO (my
> grandfather) died Dec 1918
> and her father Candelario TATO died Nov 1919 both
> from the 1918 flu
> epidemic.  Concepcion Tato knew that she was not
> well, so with a very heavy
> heart she immigrated to the United States in 1923
> with her two sons, my
> father and his brother.  She was a brave woman and
> wanted a better life for
> her sons.  They settled in Santa Clara, California
> where they were
> befriended by Henry Warburton and his wife Matilda
> Warburton.  Concepcion
> knew that she was ill and asked that the Warburton's
> take care of her two
> sons when she died.   We all thought Concepcion died
> of diabetes
> complications, since quite a few of the family has
> diabetes.  After years of
> trying to read the doctor's handwriting on her death
> certificate, I finally
> realized that a pharmacist probably is the only 
> person who could read a
> doctor's handwriting.  The pharmacist also speaks
> and reads Spanish, so this
> coming trip to Salt Lake City, Rich and I plan on
> working on death records.
> Conception died of "Acute Adhesive Peritonitis" or
> inflammation of the
> abdominal lining.  Probably left over from the flu
> epidemic.  
> My father Domingo CHIONO was raised by the Warburton
> family, went to Saint

My Castanon ancestors left El Durazno, District of Jerez Zacatecas 
in March 1916.  The revolution hit El Durazno when the Federales and 
and Revolutionaries fought each other in the fields around El 
Durazno.  The followers of Madera arrived first, looting the 
village, stealing  food, blankets and anything they could carry, 
they then fled into the countryside.  Later the same day the 
Federales were seen coming from Jerez, the families would hide their 
young women to protect them after a girl was stolen from Los 
Rodartes across the road. The Federales took gr-grandpa Vicente 
Castanon (1866) and trussed him to an ox-yolk, his daughter said it 
looked like they crucified him, they stood him against a wall and 
prepared to shoot him because he couldn't give them the information 
about the Revolutionaries they wanted. For some reason they let him 
go but destroyed everything that the Revolutionaries had missed. 
They even burned the beans and the corn they feed the animals.

 The two armies fought through the next day with the villagers 
making box's for the bodies, she said "it was not a war, just a very 
shameful thing for Mexico." By the time both armies left there was 
nothing left in El Durazno.  She said they even stole thier Santos..

Vicente made the choice to leave El Durazno that day when he 
couldn't feed his family. He had money hidden for emergencies so he 
bought train tickets from Aguacalientes and took his wife, 2 married 
children with their families and his 2 young sons. They rode in 
boxcars packed like sardines, when the tracks were gone they sat 
along side the tracks until they were fixed, they went days without 
food or water, it just wasn't to be had by anyone. Arriving in Texas 
they crossed at El Paso and were charged $5.00 to delouse them. It 
took them 6 weeks to get from El Durazno to the boarder.
They did whatever they could to survive in Texas, they worked as day 
laborer's, miners, sheepherders and ditch diggers.  My grandfather 
Epitacio (1894) went to work for the railroad and was sent to Idaho 
where many other people from El Durazno were working too.  They 
lived in a box-car where thier first child died at age 8 months. As 
they traveled they said some people were friendly and allowed them 
to get water and others ran them off like dogs.
The family regrouped in Stockton Ca. in 1920 where my grandfather 
Epitacio got a job he stayed at for 54 years with the California 

They've all been excellent stories but this one wins!!!! What an interesting narrative. Thanks for sharing it. Marge:)

On Aug 2, 2005, at 1:15 AM, jose munoz wrote:

What were the names of your grandfather and grandmother?  The 
baptismal records of the parish in Jerez, Zacatecas are extracted 
through the end of the 1800s on the LDS Church's IGI database, so you 
should be able to find their records there, but there are lots of 
Olagues in that city so you will need some more information... Do you 
have a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate or know what his 
maternal (second) last name was?

Go to http://www.familysearch.org and select International 
Genealogical Index on the left and then type in your last name and 
select Mexico and Zacatecas in the region fields at the bottom.

I take it this social security death record is your father's?

Guadalupe OLAGUE   
    Birth Date: 28 Jan 1903  
    Death Date: Sep 1966  
    Social Security Number:  523-12-6413  
    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  Colorado 
  
  Death Residence Localities 
    ZIP Code: 95112  
    Localities:  San Jose, Santa Clara, California 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
> My father, Guadalupe Olague, born in Jerez, Zac. on January 28, 
1903, immigrated to the US via Juarez-El Paso in 1913.  He had legal 
alien status.  His father and grandmother and sister settled in 
Brush, Morgan County, Colorado, where I was born in 1939.  In 1941 my 
father, at my mother's insistence (she was a native of New Mexico), 
became a Naturalized Citizen.  During WWII, my father and his uncle 
and cousins relocated to Northern California where they obtained jobs 
in defense plants.  He had sent my mother, my sister and myself to my 
mother's relatives in New Mexico. My father was a welder at the 
shipyards that were building the Liberty ships.  After the war, he 
went to work as a welder for Westinghouse in Sunnyvale, CA, and he 
sent for us around 1948 and they bought a house in San Jose near 
Willow Glen.  My husband's mother and siblings also moved to 
California around the same time from El Paso, TX.  My husband was a 
friend of one of my cousins.  We married in 1962 and lived in Silicon 
Valley until 1996 when we retired and moved to Washington State.  My 
sister and her sons have moved to Las Vegas, NV.  Our parents are 
buried in San Jose at Calvary Cemetery.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA.Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer 

Great Story Alicia,
 I wish to share the following with the Group... My
father Elpidio Tristan Munoz{Mar 04, 1906, immigrated
in 1920 at age 14 ... he was a mojado {wet
back}...never was naturalized nor did he desired to
be. My grandfather and Grandmother entered the U.S.
{March 1920},... sought Eleudoro {John} Tristan (May
04,1892 - July 18,1985}, my Grandmother's brother} in
Texas. My father was a die hard when it came to
Mexican citizenship,SLP, up to his death in Feb 26,
1968.

Immigration Alien registration numbers for my
Grandmother, 2 Aunts and 2 Uncles.

Alien Report: GUADALUPE MUNOZ  No. 3929605            
        United States Department of Justice
Alien Report: EVARISTA T. MUNOZ   No. 3983409         
           Immigration and Naturalization Service
Alien Report: JOSEPH A. MUNOZ      No. 3929606        
            Alien Registration Division
Alien Report: FRANCES M. TORRES  No. 3929604          
          Washington, D.C.
Alien Report: JOSE T. MUNOZ JR.     No. 3929603

  Sample of information of Grandmother's Alien Report.

Copia by my grandmother EVARISTA T. MUNOZ.  Numero de
los dedos  #3983409.

01.}  en Novienre del 1955 en Vernon, Texas cuando se
bajo del carro asi a la tienda de comida.
02.}  nombre cuando tomo los dedos. EVARISTA T. MUNOZ,
Rte 1 Box-16A, Georgetown, Texas.
03.}  el mismo nombre
04.}  lo mismo
05.}  P.O. Box 326, Georgetown, Texas
06.}  Naci el 26 de Octubre de 1886 en San Luis
Potosi, Mexico
07.}  San Luis Potosi, Mexico
08.}  altura 5 ft. 1 in. Peza 125 lbs.
09.}  Laredo, Texas
10.}  No.   -     No.
11.}  Luis Potosi, Mexico
12.}  Laredo, Texas {Mexico}
13.}  FRANCISCO TRISTAN 
14.}  SEBENA GALVAN TRISTAN 
15.}  mis padres
16.}  Brookshire, Texas
17.}  Hermanos y hermanas juro que es cierto lo que e
dicho en este blanco.

Chronology I wish to share of my Aunts and Uncles:

  The following records are from a diary in the
possession of, my cousin, Angie Munoz Roblez. This
diary was written by Eva Tristan Munoz {May 21, 1929}
daughter of Jose Angel Ybarra Munoz, and for Jose
Angel Ybarra Munoz, in 1952.

  Ano de 1906 a los 4 dias de Marzo nacio Elpidio
Munoz en San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Sus padrinos
Secundino Garcia y Srita Leonarda Garcia. Su fe de
vautismo en la Hacienda de Solis, estado de San Luis
Potosi, Mexico.
  Ano de 1908 a los 8 dias del mes de Marzo nacio
Juanita Munoz en Lampasos, Nuevo Leon Mexico. Sus
padrinos Alejandro Capetillo y Maria Eugenia Torres.
Su fe de bautismo en Lampasos, Nuevo Leon.

Are you an immigrant? 

Jose Munoz,  CA

--- Natalie <nc_coleman@...> wrote:

> A few weeks back someone mentioned the book, "Rain
> of Gold", which told 
> the immigration story of the author's grandfather
> and grandmother.
> So - can you share your immigrant ancestor's story?
>   - When did they come to the U.S.? How long did
> their journey take? 
> Did they come alone or with a group? Was their move
> to U.S. meant to be 
> temporary or permanent? Where did they settle? What
> did they think of 
> their decision to move from their home in Mexico?
> What traditions did 
> they bring with them? How many generations ago did
> the immigration take 
> place? (Are you the immigrant?)
> I hope this is not being too nosey - and thanks for
> sharing your 
> stories.
> 
> Matalie Coleman, VA
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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A few weeks back someone mentioned the book, "Rain of Gold", which told 
the immigration story of the author's grandfather and grandmother.
So - can you share your immigrant ancestor's story?
  - When did they come to the U.S.? How long did their journey take? 
Did they come alone or with a group? Was their move to U.S. meant to be 
temporary or permanent? Where did they settle? What did they think of 
their decision to move from their home in Mexico? What traditions did 
they bring with them? How many generations ago did the immigration take 
place? (Are you the immigrant?)
I hope this is not being too nosey - and thanks for sharing your 
stories.

Matalie Coleman, VA

Rosalinda, et. al.

I thought I would share this with the group.  Thanks to Angies 
meticulous analysis of my family tree data, we have discovered that I 
am decendant of Joseph Cayetano Grano (Rita and Eucevia and 
Josepha's) father in a total of six different ways...  I guess we are 
cousins in more ways than we thought.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Rosalinda M. Ruiz" <lareina2@i...> 
wrote:
> Arturo--
> 
> May I invite myself to this party?  I too am descended from Rita 
Margarita Grano and Pedro Pablo Gonzalez.  Angie is my cousin as 
well.  Rita is my great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.  I 
actually relate to her a total of five different ways.  I'll send you 
my email address so we can correspond.  I have found another cousin, 
courtesy of the Ranchos group!  Thanks, primo Joseph!
> 
> Rosalinda
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: arturoramos2 
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 7/12/2005 8:49:46 AM 
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: New member - Grano Family
> 
> 
> Angie:
> 
> We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter 
> Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth 
generation 
> descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a 
> look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven 
throughout 
> my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.
> 
> Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you 
> mention?  We can continue this discussion outside the group if you 
> like... arturo.ramos2@v...
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
> > Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
> > Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
> > 3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/
> > 
> > There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  
> It 
> > is called the "El Sacerdoncio Ministerial, Singular Don a la 
> > Parroquia de Totatiche, Jalisco" by Esteban Valdes Salazar.  It 
is 
> a 

Joseph,

Why is it that those last three messages keep posting themselves?  
Seems to happened once a month...

Angie

Hello Everyone,

Here is another friendly reminder. Since reaching near maximum capacity
in the files area I have needed to close them to new members and place
their genealogies in YahooBriefcase. I will make up a folder in this area
for them and place a link in the "links" area of the group to these folders.
As always only group members will have access to anyone's genealogies. The public will not have access. 

To prevent new members from voluntarily putting their genealogies in the files area and running us dangerously near our limit I've closed the files. They are still available for viewing by the members but additions, subtractions, and any updating needs to go through me. I'm sorry about this but it's a problem created by trying to keep this group 100% FREE to the members. If we had lots of money to blow we could purchase file space and hire an IT person to run it and just concern ourselves with Genealogy. Unfortuneately that is not the case and these limitations need to be enacted. 

sorry for any inconvenience it may cause. Just email me at makas@... if any of the 60+ members in the current files area want to update anything in their personal files. 

En su servicio,

Joseph Puentes - Owner/Moderator

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New members: Please go to the Database and fill in your information. If you are
old to the group, but haven't submitted your information please consider doing it now.
Here are Angie Godina's Instructions on what you need to do. If you have
any additional questions please direct them to: aajay1073@...

---------------------------------

Thanks to everyone who entered their information.  I think it will 
become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up, 
you are given that "Search This Table" input box.  If you type in a 
surname or a location, it lists out all the people searching that 
surname and or location.  A very useful feature, be sure to try it.

The fields in the table are: Name
Email Address    {optional}[but provide it anyway, jp]
Research Surnames    {Surnames you are researching.}
Research Location    {Cities, Towns, Ranchos that your ancestors are from.}
My Location    {Your current location - optional}

So once you are on the database page you just select the 'Add Record' 
link.  Enter your information.  Then select the 'Add Record' button.  
You should then be able to see your record in the table.  The edit 
link will allow you to modify your record at any time.

That should do it...

Thanks,
Angie

P.S.  Isn't it kind of convenient that my record shows up first.  I, 
of course, planned it that way...