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Mi twenty-six times over cousin Rosalinda made a big breakthrough for 
me today looking through films for me.  I had not been able to find a 
link between by fourth-great-grandfather Joseph Ramon ARANZAZU and the 
families in Tlaltenango with that name (where he supposedly was born).  
She made the link but it was not what I expected.  I am posting it here 
so that I can get suggestions as to how to proceed:

I looked up the marriage record of Ramon, and while the IGI notes that 
he was married before, he was not.  The person extracting the record 
misunderstood.  Ramon, it says, is an "expuesto en las puertas de Don 
Bartolome Aranzazu."  Since he was left at the doorstep, I guess his 
parents are unknown, and I think your brick wall is now truly high.  
There is a chance that you can find his baptism record, but that would 
take some work.  Sorry about this news.

Also if anyone has any ideas as to how his son ended up getting the 
name RAMOS (Benito RAMOS)... My guess is that son of Ramon (orphan) led 
to RAMOS, though his other children seem to have gotten the name 
ARANZAZU.

thanks Kitty for this free database. Lots of entries for Spain.

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or even go to "No Email" and read the posts online.

if you need help let me know.

joseph

Why does it have to be offline? We want to know more information on your trip, too! It's interesting and very helpful to the rest of us. Purty Pleez? Marge:)



On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:36 PM, Santos Luna wrote:

Peggy, On my July trip to Tlaltenango, I was able to obtain some oral history from my cousins paternal grandmother who just celebrated her 100th birthday.

Her family said that she has great eyesight, and memory, She appeared to be in better health than her 80 year old daughter.

 

I was curious about the various "ranchos" so, I asked the various family members. Also, I was amazed at the distance between Tlaltenango, and some of the "ranchos"...she said that they would walk over the mountains...about 2 hours. Gosh...even in my days of running and hiking, the terrain would have been quite the feat. 

 

Back to your question...about the "rancho" being listed as the birth place...apparently this is where the family lived and worked, then they went to the nearest church for the baptismal.

 

In some of my research, I have found sometimes my ancestors had the child baptized in Tlaltenango, and other times in Momax, and the "rancho" was listed the same.

 

I met a distant cousin, who shared information on his family tree. I was curious as to how our ancestors settled in this beautiful valley...yet so remote. His response, from his research, was that they were given the land by the King of Spain.

 

As promised, I will send you, off line,  more detailed information on my trip.

Saludos, Helyn

 

 

 

 

 

 





Peggy Delgado <peggydee@...> wrote:

<x-tad-smaller>This may be a lame question, but if a Rancho is listed as the birth place, what does that really mean?  How do I find the histories of these ranches on the roles people played in them?  What that information be on the same website?  I haven't really looked and I don't understand Spanish too well although I can try and muddle my way through. </x-tad-smaller>

size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Santos
Luna
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:09 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto
- Gracias Part Two

Rosalinda, Fantastic site!!! found what I was looking for,
and much more!!! Thank you for sharing.
Helyn

lareina2@... wrote:

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Hi Helyn--

 

If you click on this link:
href="http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm">http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm ,
it is a geographic dictionary and lists many of the ranchos and
cities in Mexico, in alphabetical order.  Click on M, and then
scroll down to the link for Muertos, which happens to be on page 152, volume
4.  There are 18 ranchos listed under Muerto, and 5 under Muertos, with
other variations included.  I love this website, as it often helps me
identify towns or ranchos  that are unfamiliar to me.  There is a
rancho named Muertos near Tepetongo, which is near Jerez.

 

Rosalinda

yes Dennis Daily is what I meant not Day. . .very nice person and easy
to talk to on the phone. Sometimes when you call Special Collections he
answers the phone. If anyone calls or emails him please report back on
future film sites on their agenda. thanks,

joseph

gmccrary@... wrote:

New Mexico State U. has filmed 3 archives from Mexico: three
collections in Durango--"the archives from the Durango Cathedral,
the state's notary records and a portion of the colonial materials
from the state historical archives." The Sombrerete will be the 4th
one.

NMSU worked with the town council to gain permission to film those
documents from Sombrerete. The person in charge at NMSU is
Dennis Daily. Perhaps you can contact him and inquire about future
projects.

Gloria



Yahoo! Groups Links

thanks for this great information. I also have family from there. Maybe
some gaps will be filled once this project is complete. thanks much.
keep us updated and also forward any ILL loan information we might need.
I know Mr. Day in Special Collections via some email communications. He
is a very very helpful person.

thanks,

joseph


gmccrary@... wrote:

In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las
Cruces, I found the following article:

NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas. It will
take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive
houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period
of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century."

Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as
the marriage records from 1738-1764.

I am looking forward to the completion of the filming. Many of my
ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas recruited
many of his NM colonizers from this area. Many of us from NM
trace our roots to this region.

Gloria



Yahoo! Groups Links

There is a ranch just outside of Jerez called Lo de
Luna.  Many of my ancestors came from this ranch. I
believe my  uncles (Garcia de la Cadena branch)
purchased the ranch from the Munoz family in the early
1700's.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- latina1955@... wrote:

> Rosalinda,
> This site is facinating.  I looked up Herrera, and
> there appears to be a rancho en Los Altos de Jalisco
> and Luna in Jerez!  Now while this may be a very
> remote possibility, perhaps the families from the
> areas are related to those from Tlaltenango.  Or, it
> could mean that there were lots of baptisms being
> performed on the indigenous populations, and they
> ran out of surnames.....
>  
> Esperanza (Chicago area)
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lareina2@...
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:09:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto -
> Gracias
> 
> 
> Hi Helyn--
>  
> If you click on this link:
> http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
> , it is a geographic dictionary and lists many of
> the ranchos and cities in Mexico, in alphabetical
> order.  Click on M, and then scroll down to the link
> for Muertos, which happens to be on page 152, volume
> 4.  There are 18 ranchos listed under Muerto, and 5
> under Muertos, with other variations included.  I
> love this website, as it often helps me identify
> towns or ranchos  that are unfamiliar to me.  There
> is a rancho named Muertos near Tepetongo, which is
> near Jerez.
>  
> Rosalinda
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Santos Luna 
> Sent: Aug 11, 2005 9:49 PM 
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto - Gracias 
> 
> 
> Arturo & Emilie:
> Thank you both for your  most useful information. I
> am now in the midst of pursuing all of the avenues I
> was given. My sincere "mil gracias" for your time in
> coming to my rescue.
> Helyn
> 
> Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:
> From what I have been able to gather there are two
> places called 
> Ranch del Muerto in Mexico.
> 
> One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in
> Aguascalientes.  There is a 
> place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Yolanda Medina-Perez"
<windrocklili@s...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
> Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
> some guidance and contacts.   
> 
> Yoli Medina Perez
> El Paso, Tx.

May I make the suggestion of the Mexican FHR group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/).  It is a group that I
started about a year ago, to cover all of Mexico.  There are only 9
members at the moment.  And any one is welcome, to join.  Recently, I
took on a client, who has ancestry, from Santa Rosalia & Carmargo.  So
if there are questions, ask them.  And I will see if I can find an answer.

Thanks,
Jonathan

size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:34 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Research Groups for
other states

Yolanda,

 

It's funny that you asked that today. I was also wondering if anyone
knows of a group for Michoacan. A friend at the local FHC was asking me about
a group for her state of Michoacan, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Alicia Carrillo

San Jose, Ca

Yolanda Medina-Perez
<windrocklili@...> wrote:

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Does
anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua?
I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance
and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso,
Tx.  

>From what I have been able to gather there are two places called 
Rancho del Muerto in Mexico.

One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in Aguascalientes.  There is a 
place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon de Romos called 
Puerta del Muerto, which may be it and the other is a place just near 
Aguascalientes (the city) called Cerro del Muerto.

Given the proximity of Tlaltenango to Aguascalientes, that is 
probably where you should search.  There is someone who refers to el 
Rancho del Muerto in their geneaology as well:

www.somosprimos.com/spsep02.htm

And a map:

http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/ags/3-cosio-aguascalientes-mexico-
map.shtml


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna <mistyriver123@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, 
he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how 
that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this 
rancho? I am looking for other possible connections...especially, 
since many of the families in these ranchos were related.
> 
> Another big "Thank You" to Emilie from Port Orchard. I have been 
referring to an e-mail that you sent me March 2003...valuable info as 
this is the line of a Magallanas that I am currently 
assisting...Gracias...
> 
> Helyn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.