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The Ministry of Culture in Spain has a website that has many of their 
archive documents online.  I am just now trying to figure out how to 
use it.  Try this link... it has instructions in English.  The 
webiste is only in Spanish:

http://www.ldelpino.com/aeren.html

The "catalogue" is a seven volume publication for of the passenger 
lists through 1599... Below is the Library of Congress entry for the 
books, as well as a link to other LOC resources on Spanish 
immigration to the New World.  I live in Washington DC so that is 
where I will probably access these (if I can't do it online) but I 
imagine other large libraries have copies as well.  I believe that 
the LDS has filmed the entirety of the passenger lists through the 
18th Century but those films do not circulate to local Family History 
Centers... so you will basically have to go to Seville or Salt Lake 
City to see them unless the online access works.  I am crossing my 
fingers that it does.

LDS Calatog under "Pasajeros a Indias : libros de asientos"

Library of Congress Spanish-American Genealogy:

http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/hispanic/fromspain.html

Library of Congress entry for the Catalog of Passengers (16th Century 
only):

LC Control Number: 84209763  
Type of Material: Text (Book, Microform, Electronic, etc.) 
Personal Name: Romera Iruela, Luis. 
Main Title: Catálogo de pasajeros a Indias durante los siglos XVI, 
XVII y XVIII / por Luis Romera Iruela y Ma. del Carmen Galbis Díez. 
Published/Created: [Madrid] : Ministerio de Cultura, Dirección 
General de Bellas Artes, Archivos y Bibliotecas, Subdirección General 
de Archivos, <1980-1986 > 
Related Names: Galbis Díez, María del Carmen.
Archivo General de Indias. 
Description: v. <4-7 > ; 22 cm. 
ISBN: 8474831857 (set) 
Incomplete Contents: -- v. 4. (1560-1566) -- v. 5. (1567-1577). 2 t. -
- v. 6. (1578-1585) -- v. 7. (1586-1599) 
Notes: At head of title: Archivo General de Indias, Sevilla.
Includes indexes. 
Subjects: Registers of births, etc.--Spain.
Registers of births, etc.--Latin America.
Ships--Passenger lists.
Spain--Genealogy.
Latin America--Genealogy. 
LC Classification: CS944 .R66 1980 
Dewey Class No.: 929/.346 19 
Geog. Area Code: e-sp--- cl----- 
CALL NUMBER: CS944 .R66 1980

Is the below library catalog accessible by the
Internet? Please let me know.

Albert Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> Has anyone attempted to find their ancestors'
> immigration records from
> Spain, i.e. ship passenger lists of immigrants to
> Mexico, etc.
>
> From what I have been able to tell, the best bet is
> the Catalogue of
> Passengers to the Indies published by the Archive
> General de las Indias
> in Seville... Catalago de Pasageros a Indias...
> compiled from Libros de
> Asientos (Books of Seats) of the Archivo General de
> Indias in Sevilla)
>
> Anybody have any better ideas, or know if these
> catalogues are indexed
> electronically anywhere?
>
>
>




           
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Arturo,

Have you tried "Archivos Españoles en Red" (www.aer.es) ?
As expected, you have to register first in order to gain access.
The navigation is not very user friendly but if you try hard enough
you'll eventually learn your way around.  Of course, you can also ask us!

If you want an easier route to the passenger lists, check your library
for Peter Boyd-Bowman's "Indice geobiográfico de más de 56 mil
pobladores de la América Hispánica".  I think this book is currently
out of print but my understanding is that it has the same lists that
you'll find in the "Archivos General de Indias".

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> Has anyone attempted to find their ancestors' immigration records from 
> Spain, i.e. ship passenger lists of immigrants to Mexico, etc.
> 
> From what I have been able to tell, the best bet is the Catalogue of 
> Passengers to the Indies published by the Archive General de las Indias 
> in Seville... Catalago de Pasageros a Indias... compiled from Libros de 
> Asientos (Books of Seats) of the Archivo General de Indias in Sevilla)
> 
> Anybody have any better ideas, or know if these catalogues are indexed 
> electronically anywhere?

Is the below library catalog accessible by the
Internet? Please let me know.

Albert Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> Has anyone attempted to find their ancestors'
> immigration records from 
> Spain, i.e. ship passenger lists of immigrants to
> Mexico, etc.
> 
> From what I have been able to tell, the best bet is
> the Catalogue of 
> Passengers to the Indies published by the Archive
> General de las Indias 
> in Seville... Catalago de Pasageros a Indias...
> compiled from Libros de 
> Asientos (Books of Seats) of the Archivo General de
> Indias in Sevilla)
> 
> Anybody have any better ideas, or know if these
> catalogues are indexed 
> electronically anywhere?
> 
> 
> 



		
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Has anyone attempted to find their ancestors' immigration records from 
Spain, i.e. ship passenger lists of immigrants to Mexico, etc.

>From what I have been able to tell, the best bet is the Catalogue of 
Passengers to the Indies published by the Archive General de las Indias 
in Seville... Catalago de Pasageros a Indias... compiled from Libros de 
Asientos (Books of Seats) of the Archivo General de Indias in Sevilla)

Anybody have any better ideas, or know if these catalogues are indexed 
electronically anywhere?

I hope this helps you a bit, someone is submitting your family lines 
to the Familysearch site, I'm including the one for your 
grandparents but I would suggest you go to your nearest LDS history 
center and they will show you there if you can access the records.  
The least that can happen is you can find who is entering your 
family and get together with them for the information you want.

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FRANCISCO Zerega  
  Male   Family 
    

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Event(s): 
 Birth:  03 OCT 1856   Mission De,Santo Domingo, Ensenada, Baja 
California Norte, Mexico 
 
 Christening:  
 Death:  14 SEP 1925    
 
 Burial:  
    

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Marriages: 
  Spouse:  Francisca Arce  Family 
  Marriage:  1874   San Telmo, Ensenada, Baja California Norte, 
Mexico 
 
  

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Messages: 
 Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No 
additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the 
same family and the submitter.  
     

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Source Information: 
 

There is a group of Legazpi in Nochistlan, Zacatecas born in the mid-
1840s.  Unfortunately (and for good reason) familysearch.org does not 
list records after 1900 so your grandparents may not be back far 
enough to start.  If you could find the name of your great-
grandparents that would be the best place to start.

 14. MARIA VRSINA LEGAZPI LOSANO - International Genealogical Index / 
ME
Gender: Female Birth: 14 AUG 1841 
 
 15. MARIA VRSINA LEGAZPI LOSANO - International Genealogical Index / 
ME
Gender: Female Christening: 17 AUG 1841 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
 
 16. FELIPE DE JESUS LEGAZPI - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 19 FEB 1813 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Melania Pezzolla" 
<melaniapezzolla@y...> wrote:
> Hello, my name is Melania, I was  born in Ensenada BC Mx, but have 
> lived in the states since I was 9.  I am researching my 
grandparents, 
> my grandma was Paula Zerega and Granfather was Francisco Legaspy. 
They 
> are both from the San Telmo area Baja Calif, but I have learned 
> through some research that the names have come from the zacatecas, 
> jalisco area/  specially Legazpi (legaspy or legaspi)
>   My grandmas parents were francisco Zerega and Francisca Arze 
> (arce).  my grandfathers were francisco Legazpi and Amada Cota.

Hello, my name is Melania, I was  born in Ensenada BC Mx, but have 
lived in the states since I was 9.  I am researching my grandparents, 
my grandma was Paula Zerega and Granfather was Francisco Legaspy. They 
are both from the San Telmo area Baja Calif, but I have learned 
through some research that the names have come from the zacatecas, 
jalisco area/  specially Legazpi (legaspy or legaspi)
  My grandmas parents were francisco Zerega and Francisca Arze 
(arce).  my grandfathers were francisco Legazpi and Amada Cota.  

ok, i have never done this and at the age that i'm at i would like
to find out more about my roots.my moms' name is maria concepcion
ortega,my dad whom i never knew,his name was jesus garcia who died in
a
cave in guadalajara,mexico.I was born in ensenada,b.c.norte.
my grandparents name were from my dads side -pascual garcia &
adelaida
torres,from tepatitlan,jalisco from my moms' side refugio ortega &
hermenegilda quesada and i don't know where they are from because
when
I was born in 1960 they were already dead.can you help me find out
more
information?

ok, i have never done this and at the age that i'm at i would like 
to find out more about my roots.my moms' name is maria concepcion 
ortega,my dad whom i never knew,his name was jesus garcia who died in
a 
cave in guadalajara,mexico.I was born in ensenada,b.c.norte.
my grandparents name were from my dads side -pascual garcia &
adelaida 
torres,from tepatitlan,jalisco from my moms' side refugio ortega & 
hermenegilda quesada and i don't know where they are from because
when 
I was born in 1960 they were already dead.can you help me find out
more 
information?

I heard something similar about the Viramontes families in Tlaltenango, 
Zacatecas use to be Miramontes.  Except something to the effect that 
they changed name cause of misunderstanding due to repeated first 
names...

Are you searching Miramontes Family?

- Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez <tehuima2@y...> wrote:
> According to my family oral history/myths and legends . . .in Jalpa, 
Zacatecas . . a segment of the Miramontes family broke away and created 
the Viramontes branch after a dispute over money and resources 
>

Tammy,

Are you still researching your Miramontes family?  How is your progress 
coming along?  Do you know if your father-in-law had a sister named 
Maria Refugio?

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Tammy Miramontes <tmira68@y...> wrote:
> 
> Angie, 
> IN reading the list of names that you have searched for, I saw the 
name MIRAMONTES.  That is my last name now.  My father-in-law was from 
Zacatecas.  His parents names were Aurelino & Victoria (magallanes) 
Miramontes.  I believe the ranch they are from is named Los Reales.  
> Just wondering if there is any connection here.
> Tammy

Sorry, I cannot help you.

Also, thank you for the invitation to visit your
uncle, but my wife is having an operation that same
week and I'll be intending her.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> Does anyone in Southern California (near Long Beach)
> just happen to have 
> a Laptop projector that I can use on Aug 7th during
> a presentation I'm 
> doing during the Roman Diaz reunion?
> 
> You know what they say, "It never hurts to ask. . ."
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 


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Does anyone in Southern California (near Long Beach) just happen to have
a Laptop projector that I can use on Aug 7th during a presentation I'm
doing during the Roman Diaz reunion?

You know what they say, "It never hurts to ask. . ."

thanks,

joseph

After I get my DNA analyzed, we can make a comparison.
 It should be interesting.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
wrote:

> 
> I went with Gary Felix's site because they have a
> Mexico board that 
> will keep the records for 25 years and will notify
> me if there are any 
> match's they think are close enough, I've had two
> responses from 
> people with ancestors from Guanajuato besides
> Victor's response. It's 
> the family tree dna site in the messages from the
> past on this message 
> board.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/
> 
> Doing the mtdna was just another step for me in
> putting all the pieces 
> of my family history together. Now if I can just get
> a male member of 
> my family to do the same.  They enjoy the fruits of
> my 5 years of 
> genealogy research but balk at spending money for a
> test...  The rates 
> seem to be within the same range regardless of where
> you have it done, 
> a simple swab of your mouth is all it takes.
> 
> Linda in Wa.
> 
> 
> 


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Linda,

My result was no surprise but a confirmation of what I already knew by
word of mouth, particularly from my late grandmother.  You can now
find my folder in the files section.  Unfortunately, my maternal
(mtDNA) branch goes back only to my g2-grandmother: my mother is
Villagrana, her mother Martel, her mother Colunga, and then Alvarado.
 I just haven't been able to break thru that wall.  I suspect that she
has roots in neighboring Nayarit and church records from Nayarit
haven't yet been extracted to the IGI.

Your comments about your mother's eyes and skin are very interesting,
which only shows that physical traits are not necessarily correlated
to DNA haplogroups.

Best regards
Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor, how exciting to even think that someone from a small group 
> like this could be a 4 marker match even if it happened a while back 
> in time.. I find it amazing!!  I looked into the files but don't see 
> your genealogy, are you posted here or anywhere else?  I have my 
> maternal line on Ancestry family tree.  In a time reference I can only 
> take my female line back to abt 1800 and know nothing before that.  My 
> mother was Gutierrez, her mother Villanueva, her mother Mendez, her 
> mother Fernandez and her mother Barbosa.. the line stops there. To be 
> honest I was surprised to find this a native line since my mother was 
> blond and blue eyed and her mother was extremely fair too. They were 
> from Tamazula Jalisco but the Fernandez line may have come from 
> somewhere else. I guess 200 years is nothing compared to a history in 
> genetics that goes back 30,000 years.. but we have to start somewhere 
> to find we all more alike than different. I did some reading and found 
> that a few Eskimo bands, the Salish band here in Washinton and a tribe 
> or two along the California coast line share the same group A, the 
> group continues through Mexico and down into South America... sure a 
> good case for migration.
> Thank you for taking the time to share the information.
> I guess that makes us primos.... sorta?
> Linda in Wa.

I should have given you this site:

http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
It's under Dna on our links page..

I went with Gary Felix's site because they have a Mexico board that 
will keep the records for 25 years and will notify me if there are any 
match's they think are close enough, I've had two responses from 
people with ancestors from Guanajuato besides Victor's response. It's 
the family tree dna site in the messages from the past on this message 
board.
http://www.familytreedna.com/

Doing the mtdna was just another step for me in putting all the pieces 
of my family history together. Now if I can just get a male member of 
my family to do the same.  They enjoy the fruits of my 5 years of 
genealogy research but balk at spending money for a test...  The rates 
seem to be within the same range regardless of where you have it done, 
a simple swab of your mouth is all it takes.

Linda in Wa.

Erlinda,

May I ask what company you used for your test and how you went about 
researching the prices, services, etc.?

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
> female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
> 30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
> down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
> born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
> married Native American women along the line.
> 
> This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
> female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood 
but 
> the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete 
> picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco 
> Mexico.
> 
> Has anyone else in this group done the mtdna?
> 
> Linda from Wa.
> 
> HVR1 Haplogroup
>  A
>  
> HVR1 differences
> 
> from CRS
>  16111T
>  
>   16223T
>  
>   16290T
>  
>   16319A
>  
>   16335G
>  
>   16362C
>  
>   16526A

Hi Victor, how exciting to even think that someone from a small group 
like this could be a 4 marker match even if it happened a while back 
in time.. I find it amazing!!  I looked into the files but don't see 
your genealogy, are you posted here or anywhere else?  I have my 
maternal line on Ancestry family tree.  In a time reference I can only 
take my female line back to abt 1800 and know nothing before that.  My 
mother was Gutierrez, her mother Villanueva, her mother Mendez, her 
mother Fernandez and her mother Barbosa.. the line stops there. To be 
honest I was surprised to find this a native line since my mother was 
blond and blue eyed and her mother was extremely fair too. They were 
from Tamazula Jalisco but the Fernandez line may have come from 
somewhere else. I guess 200 years is nothing compared to a history in 
genetics that goes back 30,000 years.. but we have to start somewhere 
to find we all more alike than different. I did some reading and found 
that a few Eskimo bands, the Salish band here in Washinton and a tribe 
or two along the California coast line share the same group A, the 
group continues through Mexico and down into South America... sure a 
good case for migration.
Thank you for taking the time to share the information.
I guess that makes us primos.... sorta?
Linda in Wa.

Linda,

My mtDNA test came also haplogroup A. My maternal great-grandmother
was from the Jalisco area.

Compare our numbers and see that we match on four markers. Not very
close, but it means we share a common female mother thousands of years
ago:

Mine ----Yours

16075C > ------
16111T > ------
16223T > 16223T
16239T > ------
16290T > 16290T
16319A > 16319A
------ > 16335G
16362C > 16362C
------ > 16526A


Saludos
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
> female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
> 30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
> down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
> born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
> married Native American women along the line.
> 
> This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
> female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood but 
> the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete 
> picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco 
> Mexico.
> 
> Has anyone else in this group done the mtdna?
> 
> Linda from Wa.
> 
> HVR1 Haplogroup
>  A
>  
> HVR1 differences
> 
> from CRS
>  16111T
>  
>   16223T
>  
>   16290T
>  
>   16319A
>  
>   16335G
>  
>   16362C
>  
>   16526A

These are cool discussions. Does anyone ever remember what the mom's would do if the "Moiyeda" of a baby would fall? In our family if the soft spot of the top of the baby fell or became sunken I remember seeing some kind of involved procedure where a rag was placed over that soft spot on the babies head and it was moisened and the mom or woman who knew how to do it would then somehow place her mouth on or around the rag or actually on the head and gently such and do this until the Moiyeta would be restored to its proper up position. Amazing the kind of stuff we grew up with never knowing they were different than what was practiced everywhere. . .just thinking these things were normal.

joseph

Janet V. Iglesias wrote: