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Blas de Mendosa

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for information on my Ancestor Blas de Mendosa here

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Mendoza-44

on an old Nuestros Ranchos post it says hes a Nati

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I found Blas Mendoza (L23K-C18) on Familysearch.org, but there was not much on him and his wife though one more son named Antonio came up. I merged many of his childrens' marriages from their son Salvador with Maria Victoria Lopez Delgado (she went by maria lopez and maria Delgado) with Aries, Alba, Valades and Jaimes. I do know that the Jaimes (Jayme) married into the Pedroza's (my distant cousins from Jalisco and Aguascalientes). There is a lot more to be merged as the families had quite a number of children.

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Thank you Simona. i descend from the Pedrozas and Jaimes to. Maria Manuela
Jaimes and Juan Jose Pedroza are my ancestors from there son Jose Feliciano
Pedroza here

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Pedroza-88

Danny C. Alonso

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:11 PM, wrote:

> I found Blas Mendoza (L23K-C18) on Familysearch.org, but there was not much
> on him and his wife though one more son named Antonio came up. I merged
> many
> of his childrens' marriages from their son Salvador with Maria Victoria
> Lopez
> Delgado (she went by maria lopez and maria Delgado) with Aries, Alba,
> Valades
> and Jaimes. I do know that the Jaimes (Jayme) married into the Pedroza's
> (my
> distant cousins from Jalisco and Aguascalientes). There is a lot more to be
> merged as the families had quite a number of children.
>

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Juan Joseph De Pedroza
1754-Deceased • M3C7-3YS is my cousin's 3rd grandfather. Her family tree is a work in progress(I have been working on it since October of this year) but it is public so if you enter any of the family members you do not have you would match with her on ancestry.

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Ashlynn,

this looks like good information. Im going to tryn and read it tonight.
thank you very much.

Danny C. Alonso

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ashlynn Castaneda <
ashlynn.castaneda@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Danny,
>
> I haven't been active in a while, but I too descend from Blas de Mendoza
> and he was a tribal chief. This article mentions his ancestors:
>
> http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/nobles.html
>
> have a great day,
>
> Ashlynn

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm tryin to understand this section of the article on the Mendozas below and my Spanish isn't that good so I cant tell what's happening. Its talking about the descendents of the chief Xavalotl and then theyre talking about somebody named aguano and I cant tell whether Xavalot and Aguano are the same person or if theyre related or if Aguano is a child of Xavalot or he's a descendent of Xavalot or if theres no connection between them. and then theyre talking about the children of Martin Yecotl name Diego, Pedro and Baltasar Mendoza but then they also mention a Baltasar Mendoza that's married to ISabel de la Cruz Navarro and is that the same as the Baltasar Mendoza that's the son of Martin YEcotl? I cant really tell the order of all the children mentioned and who they're connected to. could someone help me figure out what's goin on

Danny C. Alonso

"Claro ejemplo del proceso de Macehualización, es el caso de los descendientes del Cacique Xahualot

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum again,

I had another question about the article on the Mendoza's, is the Thomas
Mendoza who is the son of Baltazar Mendoza and Isabel de la Cruz, is he the
father of the cacique Blas Mendoza?

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

I don't think anything is wrong with the forum, my guess is no one has any information on Blas de Mendoza and as far as there being no other posts, most people are probably busy getting ready for Christmas. Even though Don Blas de Mendoza is my 8th great grandfather, I don't really know much about him either. So far, Austin and I, have identified five children, one of which (Andrea de Mendoza), I will still need to add to his Wikitree profile. Regarding Nobles o Macehuales in Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnacion de Diaz, I do believe the Mendoza's mentioned in the article are the ancestors of the cacique don Blas de Mendoza, but, I'm not sure we will ever be able to make the connection to anyone cited in the article due to gaps in the existing records. A dispensa or a marriage record that names the parents of don Blas would have to be found and even that may not connect us to anyone in the article. I have searched for over two years for both and have yet to find them. And

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Does anybody know if there is something wrong with the Forum? it doesnt
look like anybody is posting or responding

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,
I've been meaning to respond to your post but I haven't had much free time lately and I suspect is the case with many of our Nuestros Ranchos friends.

Regarding the information on the 'Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnacion de Diaz' website that you included in your previous post the author, by his own admission, provides provides an uncertain history of cacique Aquano aka Xahualot and his descendants. The uncertainty is due to the limited records and contradictions in the records that do exist. Unfortunately this has been a recurring problem that I have encountered when researching my native american and african ancestors. Imprecise as it may be the author provides us with the following genealogy for us to consider and further research:

Cacique Aquano o Aguano which in the Cazcan language means "major captain of war." This Aquano may the same as Xahualot. Aquano had two sons one who died during the wars of the conquest and Yecotl who when baptized received the name of don

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Austin and Chris this is great information. Thank you so much. This helps
me out a lot to know all of this even if I cant be 100% sure, I'm glad I
know this much now. it gives me a much better idea of how Blas MEndoza
connects to Mendoza's in the story. so Baltasar is probably the connection
then.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

Yes, I agree with Austin that Baltazar de Mendoza and Ysabel de la Cruz are the origin of our Blas de Mendoza, I should've been more clear about that, I just wanted to let you know there could be other possibilities, but I personally believe that our Blas de Mendoza descends from Baltazar de Mendoza and Ysabel de la Cruz. Whether they're the parents or grandparents, I'm not sure, but, I believe they make more sense than any other possibilities. Also, I believe the Baltazar de Mendoza married to Ysabel de la Cruz Navarro is the probable grandson or great grandson of Don Martin Yecotl.

Chris

From: Danny Alonso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blas de Mendoza

Austin and Chris this is great information. Thank you so much. This helps
me out a lot to know all of this even if I cant be 100% sure, I'm glad I
know this much now. it gives me a much better idea of how Blas MEndoza
connects to Mendoza

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If you mean you aren't getting the posts via your e-mail, I sometimes don't get all, just some, don't know why, but you can view all posts if you sign into the website.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:56:38 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blas Mendoza
>
> Does anybody know if there is something wrong with the Forum? it doesnt
> look like anybody is posting or responding
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Once again trying to find a connection on the De Leon's from Jalisco and Nuevo Leon

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I know there are De Leons in Jalisco,Nuevo Leon,Puebla, Mexico City and other places

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I am researching my paternal de Leon line, the only information I have is
my grandfather name Bartolo de Leon and grandmother Mercedes Medina. She was the daughter of Antonio Medina and Felicitas Magana. My grandparents had two sons, Prodigios de Leon and Fernando de Leon. My understanding I have is that my father
had de Leon relatives at Torreon Coahuila or Durango. Prodigios was born in 1903, my Father Fernando was born 1910, Prodigios supposedly at Michoacán.

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i'm not sure if the de leons are all related. but the ones in colotlan/huejucar/tlaltenango area are likely to all be descendents of a man named manuel de leon, who was born in the mid-1600's. for some unknown reason, neither of his parents have that last name

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When I asked Arturo Ramos about this in 2008, he answered me by e-mail and responded:

" Jose:
My suspicion is that Manuel de Leon was the first person in his family with that surname. His marriage document clearly describes him as a mestizo and since Josepha de Escobedo, I am pretty sure was of pure Spanish ancestry, that would make his father the indigenous person in the pair. It was not uncommon for indigenous people in the 17th century to have NO surnames AND "de la Cruz" was a very common assignment of a name in lieu of a surname for indigenous people.
It is likely that if he lived in Colotlan, which his marriage document says he did, and he was marrying the daughter of a rich Spanish family, that he was a Tlaxacaltec soldier or official and thus it was a political marriage (as many are and were). Therefore his family likely had a Nahuatl surname and his father was in the "transition" to a Spanish name and thus did not use one regularly enough for the priests to put it down

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Another surname theory posed by Arturo Ramos a few years ago at a Nueva Galicia convention in Milpitas, California was "Multi-linear Naming Practices" There was one in particular that caught my attention.

One of Arturo's theorys was in which a child was baptized the name of one of his ancestors. In example, the child was given the ancestor's name in it's entirety; first name and surname of his ancestor. i.e. suppose Manuel de Leon's maternal grandfather was, in fact, named MANUEL DE LEON?

Just saying...

Joseph de leon

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I have not researched the De Leon in my direct line. Maternal 7th Great Grandmother Rosalia De Leon (abt 1650) married Sebastian Coronado (abt 1650 in Aguascalientes) they had several children including Nicolas Coronado de Leon who married Antonia Gonzales de la Vega. Hope it helps a little.

Question for Armando : The blue eyes gene

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I´ve read in some different places that scientists have found that all humans with blue eyes are all descendants of ONE single person that lived some 8,000 years ago.

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Hello Peredo,

This what we know so far -

The primary determinant of blue eye color in present-day Europeans is the derived allele G in the SNP rs12913832 in the gene called HERC2. It was found in 100% of the European Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherer specimens that they have sequenced so far according to a pre-print of an academic study from this year by Mathieson et al. which can be found at http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/10/10/016477 The ancient Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers are from Spain, Sweden, Luxembourg, and Hungary from about 7,000-8,000 years ago. Since there are no older specimens that have been found that have been sequenced with rs12913832 we don't know for sure when it first appeared in humans. Mutations can happen independently in people but it is doubtful that HERC2 happened in different people so the Europeans with rs12913832 most likely descend from that person.

The SNP rs12913832 was very uncommon in Anatolian Neolithic which is where the Early European Farmers come

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Armando, it was interesting to me your response regarding blue eyes. Years ago, a physician/scientist told me that all people with red hair are related. Since he was very respected at John Hopkins and the University of Chicago, I took it as truth. Is there truth in this as well? Thanks!

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I would love to read Armando's response,  although I am on all nuestros ranchos mailing lists
(I just verified this on the site), I only receive snips .  Was he referring to what I've read that the blonde hair and
blue eye mutation occurred only about 10,000 years ago?
Thanks and please get me back into the fold.
Alice Blake
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On Fri, 12/4/15, sarod77@hotmail.com wrote:

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blue eyes how about Red Hair
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, December 4, 2015, 1:53 PM

Armando, it was interesting to me
your response regarding blue eyes. Years
ago, a physician/scientist told me that all people with red
hair are related.
Since he was very respected at John Hopkins and the
University of Chicago, I
took it as truth. Is there truth in this as well? Thanks!

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When i did 23 and me i found out i have the genes for color eyes and red
hair. But i have brown eyes and dark brown hair. I do get red hair rigth
before they turn to white hair-

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> I would love to read Armando's response, although I am on all nuestros
> ranchos mailing lists
> (I just verified this on the site), I only receive snips . Was he
> referring to what I've read that the blonde hair and
> blue eye mutation occurred only about 10,000 years ago?
> Thanks and please get me back into the fold.
> Alice Blake
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 12/4/15, sarod77@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blue eyes how about Red Hair
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2015, 1:53 PM
>
> Armando, it was interesting to me
> your response regarding blue eyes. Years
> ago, a physician/scientist told me that all people

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Jose Luis,

You probably have AG for rs12913832. See https://www.23andme.com/you/journal/eyecolor/overview/

This is what it says for AG (only one allele is G, inherited from one parent)

"In Europeans, 56% chance of brown eyes; 37% chance of green eyes; 7% chance of blue eyes."

This is what it says for GG (both alleles are GG, inherited from both parents)

"In Europeans, 72% chance of blue eyes; 27% chance of green eyes; 1% chance of brown eyes."

This is what it say for AA (G not inherited at all)

"In Europeans, 85% chance of brown eyes; 14% chance of green eyes; 1% chance of blue eyes."

Even though having G for SNP rs12913832 isn't a guarantee that a person will have blue eyes only 1% of the Europeans with blue eyes don't have G for SNP rs12913832. No other gene is as common in people with blue eyes. That is why G for SNP rs12913832 is the primary determinant of blue eye color in present-day Europeans.

As far as the red hair, just having two variants of MC1R gene isn't a

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Thank you Armando for your information and to all that added to the conversation.

This topic has been of interest because in my extended family from both paternal and maternal there were twins on both sides with red hair from flaming to Strawberry blond. On my paternal side one brother of my fathers' had children with red flaming to strawberry blond while the rest had blond blue eyes. In both sides of the families none has appeared again only green eyes except for the uncle whose children had the blue eyes some grandchildren did have blue eyes but no red hair.

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Thank you so much Armando for your comprehensive answers!

My question was really triggered after a conversation with a very good friend of mine who is a tall, blonde,blue eyed lady.
She is the daughter of a very dear friend of mine who died 13 years ago and whose parents were French; her mother is from mexican descendence.

This ladys father was tall,blond, blue eyed while her mother has dark brown eyes.

Her maternal grandfather (her mexican branch) was also a blue eyed gentleman.

Well in that conversation I told her that we happened to be relatives , and her answer was : " are we related through the Ayalas?" (Her maternal lastname), and I answered : "Not only through the Ayalas but through the Audiffreds"

Of course she couldn´t understand how could we be relatives through her fathers branch since he was French; then I told her about those genetic findings I read.

Right then and there I started thinking that I could have been lying, that maybe what I read was not a real fact but

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Alice,

I responded to a question about blue eyes and I mentioned the SNP rs12913832 which is the primary determinant of blue eye color in present-day Europeans. We don't know when SNP rs12913832 first arose but it is at least 8,000 years old based on the DNA analysis of a specimen from Loschbour, Luxembourg from that time frame. It could have happened as far back as 12,000 years ago but since there aren't enough ancient specimens there is no way to have an accurate range of dates as to when it happened. All of the European Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers have the SNP rs12913832 and that culture seems to have started about 12,000 years ago. Something else to consider is that there are more Mesolithic than Paleolithic specimens that have had DNA sequencing so, although unlikely, SNP rs12913832 could have appeared in that culture.

Blonde hair is due to other mutations and is harder to predict. The Mathieson et al. paper doesn't address the results of those mutations probably due to the

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I don't know if all people with red hair are related but in order for people with European ancestry to have red hair both parents have to have the MC1R gene variants, even if recessive, along with other unidentified modifiers. Everyone with the MC1R gene variants most likely do descend from a common person that first had those variants.

General Digest, Vol 119, Issue 5: Blue eyes how about Red Hair

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Jose Luis, what you have are recessive genes for the attributes of blue eyes
and red hair, along with the dominant genes for brown eyes and dark brown
hair.

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Hello Bob,

It is actually more complicated than that. Both parents can have the "recessive" gene for blue eyes in which case they would be AG for rs12913832. Then the child can be AA, AG, or GG depending on which allele they inherit from each parent. If AA then extremely unlikely to have blue eyes and if AG then only a 7% chance of blue eyes. So both parents being recessive for blue eyes does not mean that the child would have a very high probability of having the recessive genes manifest themselves as dominant. José Luis is probably AG but could be GG and have another gene cancel out GG.

The situation is similar for the red hair gene. Even if both parents are dominant for red hair only 25% of their children are likely to turn out to be a redhead.

Family Search Film number 708746

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Can someone help me find matrimonios for Ocampo, Guanajuato - Iglesia de San Juan Bautista. This is the record I'm looking for https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC3W-9LW .

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Never mind. The index citation is wrong - it's got to be 1884, not 1844. All of the other records are in the late 1870s through the mid 1880s.

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Tienes que detallar la fecha o año del matrimonio por lo siguiente; Ocampo dependía para sus registros religiosos y civiles, de la parroquia de San Felipe hasta 1866, por lo que deberías buscar allí.

Baptism Info - Emilie Garcia

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Hi Emilie,

I also use Ancestral Quest (now in the Mac version) and I love it!

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Thanks, Jessie

I like your idea about how to record things in notes.

Emilie

> From: josiett39@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:37:36 -0600
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Baptism Info - Emilie Garcia
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I also use Ancestral Quest (now in the Mac version) and I love it!
>
> What I do in a situation like yours is that in the "Edit - Individual" section I put the name of the town and the state as well as the country. I put all the details in the "Edit - Notes" field, such as the name of the parish, etc. That is also where I post my source. I use the "Edit - Notes" field to put everything about the individual even including the names of the priest, the padrinos, etc.
>
> I know AQ has a better set-up for sources but this is the way I have always done it.......and I prefer everything in one place......the "Notes" section.......but that is just me.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Josie Trevino Trevino
> Houston, TX
>
>

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Ooops, I meant Josie

From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Baptism Info - Emilie Garcia
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 17:56:16 -0800

Thanks, Jessie

I like your idea about how to record things in notes.

Emilie

> From: josiett39@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:37:36 -0600
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Baptism Info - Emilie Garcia
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I also use Ancestral Quest (now in the Mac version) and I love it!
>
> What I do in a situation like yours is that in the "Edit - Individual" section I put the name of the town and the state as well as the country. I put all the details in the "Edit - Notes" field, such as the name of the parish, etc. That is also where I post my source. I use the "Edit - Notes" field to put everything about the individual even including the names of the priest, the padrinos, etc.
>
> I know AQ has a better set-up for sources but this

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Baptism Info

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I am researching records in Jalisco for a friend.

I am confused about what to enter in the fields in the genealogy program I have (Ancestral Quest).

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Hi Emilie,

“Polity” is the word I think you’re looking for: a state or a political entity. And those have changed a lot in Mexico over the centuries, as we've all learned!

I use the modern names of the towns/cities and states, and then in the “notes” section, I list the name or names of the encomienda, alcaldia mayor, rancho, hacienda, labor, puesto, real, etc.

This tends to help when working on different platforms.

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Emily

When I have the baptism information I enter the name of the church (or parish), then town, state, and country. Since larger towns likely have more than one church it is important to note the name. For older records it is safe to assume that the churches were all catholic, but for modern records if the church is not catholic, the denomination should be noted.

When I have have birth information I enter the specific place (rancho, hacienda, etc) when given, then town, state, and country.

The manual that came with your software should give guidance on the style to use for place names. Since Ancestral Quest is Family Tree/Family Search compatible is likely uses the same style as those applications. You can consult the Family Search wiki for more information on place names.

George Fulton

Morgan Bryns genealogy

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Hello and welcome to Nuestros Ranchos

I just opened your post and found your family tree about an hour ago and saw some of my ancestors.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Dom, 2015-04-26 16:36 | Enlace permanente

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Dear Morgan

I am related to you through many other common ancestors beginning with your ninth and tenth generations.
I forgot to add Martin Gabai el de Navarro 's gen # in my response. We may be closer than sixth cousins but I need to go slowly over all your ancestors and compare them to mine.

Gen 23,958 Martin Navarro (1580) I have as Martin Gabay el de Navarro. Navarro was his nickname but was also used as his surname.

When I was typing the first post I added a bit of unconfirmed data by mistake

Magdalena's father is Sebastian Labezaris as I wrote in the post and her grandfather is Guido Labezaris ( el Viejo) but Guidos father is unconfirmed and just speculation and needs more research to confirm. Sorry about adding this bit. In my records I clearly have notes identifying him as a possible but not as probable.

You also did not include any parents for Sancha Velasco de la Carra and alfonso ruiz de temino in your last (twentieth) generation. As you most likely know

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Hello Mr. Ricci. I sincerely apologize for the very late response but I did not see this post until right now. When I do some more work on my ancestry file, I will make some changes and add more generations to it. In my file that gives my ancestry, I decided to do just 20 generations at that time and then add on to it on a later date. I do know that the line that you speak of concerning Sancha Velasco de la Carra and Alfonso Ruiz de Temino goes far back to different monarchs and other prominent figures. I will add some more to a new updated file when I get the chance to.

Bryn Morgan

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Dear Bryn,

I have some very interesting stories to add to many of these ancestors. This line does lead to King John Lackland of England. A few years ago a teenager and her grandfather gained a lot of fame claiming that all the presidents of the USA, except for one, descend from King John Lackland and are therefore related. Since we also descend from King John Lackland, this means that we are related to all the presidents except for one. Instead of checking whether their claims were true like a normally do, I focused on finding out if I had any ancestors in common with that one president that wasn't related. Since I was working on other projects simultaneously, I wasn't productive until recently when I found out that I do have an ancestor from holland. Now I need to work on his tree to see if we have anyone in common.

Rick A Ricci

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Dear Rick,

I remember hearing about that story a few years back. It is amazing how the king who signed the magna carta back in 1215, 800 years ago, is the ancestor of these presidents and some of the founding fathers who helped create the US Constitution as well. Some of what is in the constitution was inspired by the magna carta. If you go back far enough, we are all related in one way or another. It would be great to add stories to some of our ancestors cause all I have is some names and dates, and pictures for a small few of them. Maybe that one president that's not linked does have a link to King John, but it's undiscovered as of now. Plus, we see that as we go back far enough, we have ancestors from a lot of different nations, not just our nationalities. Genealogy truly is fun.

Bryn Morgan

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Dear Bryn,

You are correct that the one president is not linked to King John as of now but I am not looking to link him to King John or the other Presidents. I am looking to link him to us through a Dutch ancestor that we have. My goal here was to show that we are related to all the presidents, not that they are all related to each other.

You are going to love the stories of how we are related to some of the greatest knights that ever lived. Some of these knights I had never heard of before researching genealogy. Two of the greatest Knights that ever lived are confirmed to be in the family tree, and a third knight, considered by many Historians to be the greatest knight in history, is our ancestor if Maria Tellez de Castilla is legitimate. On a recent post to nuestrosranchos.org. I explained why she should be considered legitimate. See: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17766?page=1

Two other great Knights are brothers to our ancestors so that makes five great Knights in

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English name George in baptismal records

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Mario,

Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and Thomas's
spelled the english way to.

Danny C.

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It's actually Old Spanish, which in turn had more similarities with Latin, but it wasn't Latin per say, in other words the form "José" didn't exist, there was Jossef, Joseph, Iosef, etc. regardless of who wrote it. As time pass the names, surnames, and grammar further change and end up in the way we use it today. Other languages like English and French retain a "primitive" more Latin-like form of some names and words, thus we would think in today's US records Joseph as been the "English" version when in fact is not English at all. Note that the Latin for this name was actually Iosephus.

Also the spelling for names changed depending of the priest education region wise.

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Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some of my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
>
> Mario,
>
> Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and Thomas's
> spelled the english way to.
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
sense to me.

Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some of
> my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> >
> > Mario,
> >
> > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> Thomas's
> > spelled the english way to.
> >
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -

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Emily,

You're correct, it was Latin. The further back you go in years, the more
Latin you will find in the records.

Alicia

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Raquel Ruiz
wrote:

> When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
> enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> sense to me.
>
> Raquel Ruiz
> Massachusetts
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia >
> wrote:
>
> > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some
> of
> > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> > >
> > > Mario,
> > >
> > > Im not

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Thanks, Alicia

> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:46:23 -0800
> From: allieavelar@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
>
> Emily,
>
> You're correct, it was Latin. The further back you go in years, the more
> Latin you will find in the records.
>
> Alicia
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Raquel Ruiz
> wrote:
>
> > When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> > family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
> > enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> > sense to me.
> >
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > Massachusetts
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> > > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some
> > of
> > > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> > >
> > > Emilie

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Raquel,

In a book I have about the origin of the names assigned by the Catholic church during baptisms, St. George was a soldier martyr who was born near Jerusalem in the 3rd century. In the Saint's calendar his day is April 23, and the name means "farmer". Joseph of course was the husband of the Virgin Mary and his day is March 19, and Mariam (she has several days) was his wife. Most people way back in the 17th century on the farms in Mexico couldn't read or write, unless they were in business or teachers in town. I also notice in the baptism books, that on certain weeks most of the people baptized were given the same name for the saint on the calendar.

Priests, I think, not only studied the history of saints, but they also studied the Roman and Greek literature, so I have found diversity in names that are not from the Saints calendar, such as my father's mother who was named Gorgonia. I find that strange that she was given the name from a Greek myth about a monster woman who

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Emilie,

You're right. I have sometimes used ancestor's given names to as a see it
helps me locate the date of baptism. Maybe it was the priest who liked the
diversity of spellings!
Raquel

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Raquel,
>
> In a book I have about the origin of the names assigned by the Catholic
> church during baptisms, St. George was a soldier martyr who was born near
> Jerusalem in the 3rd century. In the Saint's calendar his day is April 23,
> and the name means "farmer". Joseph of course was the husband of the
> Virgin Mary and his day is March 19, and Mariam (she has several days) was
> his wife. Most people way back in the 17th century on the farms in Mexico
> couldn't read or write, unless they were in business or teachers in town.
> I also notice in the baptism books, that on certain weeks most of the
> people baptized were given the same name for the saint on the calendar.
>
> Priests, I think, not only studied the history of saints, but

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Connection between Guzman family in Autlan/Tecolotlan, Jalisco and Compostela, Nayarit

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Dear Members,
I have found additional information on the Guzmán family in Compostela Nayarit, who are tied to the Guzmán family in Tecolotlán, Autlán and Ejutla.

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Hola Sergio

¿Cómo estás colega? Me da gusto leer tus nuevos descubrimientos y teorías.

Muy interesantes tus aportaciones, creo que estás muy cerca de encontrar el vínculo de Miguel de Guzmán con la familia Guzmán de Compostela.

Me gustaría añadir unos datos más que solidifican tu teoría.

Tu comentario acerca del uso del nombre de Álvaro y Sebastián en la descendencia de Juan de Guzmán es muy acertada y creo que el nombre de Teresa también se añade a este grupo de nombres en común.

Teresa de Guzmán estuvo casada con Lucas de Covarrubias y sabemos que fue hija de Juan de Guzmán por la siguiente dispensa:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K6G-1?wc=12512809&cc=1874…
A su vez Teresa (hija de Juan) tuvo por hija a otra Teresa en 1719 en Tecolotlán.
Aquí el nombre en común es con Teresa de Guzmán esposa de Diego Dávalos y Ulibarri que ya mencionaste tuvieron a una hija llamada Teresa en 1700 y que Diego fue hermano del Primer Conde de Miravalle. Por la fecha de

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Francisca Xaviera Duron / Solana Duron / Francisca Xaviera Colmenero

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Is there someone in the Forum that knows something about mhy ancestor
Francisca Solana Duron?

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Hi Paige and Danny,

Francisca Durón and Phelipe Ruiz Camarillo and Francisca Solana Durón and Phelipe Martín are not the same couple, although for a second I thought Francisca Durón and Francisca Solana Durón might be the same person, but, they're not.

First, they have overlapping children. Francisca Durón and Phelipe Ruiz Camarillo had a child named Angela de los Dolores Camarillo born on 17 Jun 1729, and Francisca Solana Durón and Phelipe Martín had a Francisco Xavier Martín born 5 months later on 6 Nov 1729. Same with these two children born a month apart, Manuela Petronila Martín born on 8 Jun 1736 and Monica Camarillo born on 22 May 1736.

I think Francisca Durón and Francisca Solana Durón, oddly enough, are sisters. According to below dispensa, Francisca Durón that's married to Phelipe Ruiz Camarillo is the daughter of Francisco Gutiérrez Durón and Beatriz Rodríguez de la Vera. And, even though Beatriz Rodríguez de la Vera is listed as hija de padres no conocidos, the below

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Dear Chris,

Sisters with the same name isn't as rare as you may think, at least not in los Altos de Jalisco. On two separate occasions it took me a while to figure out which of two sisters with very similar names were the right ones. With another family that i was studying, I found about five sisters, it may have been more, all named Maria Antonia with each one having an additional name that was different. They all had the same parents. With men, I have also found similar named brothers. Jose Manuel and Juan Manuel. My grandfather had two brothers with the same name, Refugio. I know two Martin sisters from Pegueros with the same first name.

Rick

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Hi Rick,

Yeah, I've seen siblings with similar and variations of the same name before. I have one family where the baptisms show about 6 different children all named variations of Antonia and Josefa, but, in those cases one is named Antonia Josefa Luisa and one is named Josefa Teresa Antonia, but in those cases they each use the name that isn't Josefa or Antonia. I rarely come across two siblings both using the same first name, although, I bet in reality she probably mostly went by Solana.

Chris

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Thanks Chris for your informative post which clears up some questions I had with this family.

An additional bit of information is that Francisco Gutierrez Duron, father of the two Francisca's, also used the surname of Ruiz Colmenero which explains the use of the Colmenenero last name by some of his descendants.

Also, as a possible explanation of the Solana name used by the Francisca who married Felipe Martin, there is a Saint Francisco Solano (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Solanus) who's feast day is celebrated on July 14. Perhaps, the Francisca with a baptism date of July 12, 1707 is Francisca Javiera Solana?

Hasta pronto
Austin Perez

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Francisca and Francisca were sisters.

Here's the 1st, b 17 Feb 1698, m1 Phelipe Ruiz de Camarillo m2. Francisco de Esparza
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64V7-3LQ?wc=M6Q6-J29%3A648…

And the 2nd, b. 12 Jul 1707 m. to Phelipe Martin; have her as "Francisca Xaviera," so she probably went by "Xaviera."
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XX6T-BX?i=355&wc=M6QX-TP6%…

My g7 Nicolas Trujillo had 3 daughters named Juana - one with his first wife, and 2 with his second wife. They used different surnames: Juana de Venegas (her mother's surname), Juana de Loya (her mother's surname, though she sometimes went by Juana Trujillo)) and her full-sister, Juana Trujillo.

"Juana" must've been his mother's name, or perhaps his patron saint?

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hi Manny,

I agree those are the two baptisms for each sister. I think because I see so many baptisms a few years later for a child with the same name and then I find a defuncion for the first child, that normally when I see a second baptism with the same name, I assume the first child died.

Chris

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I have a maternal ancestor, Anna Christina Marquez Martines, married to Juan Faustino Duron circa 1750 (have not located their marriage info yet). Juan Faustino Duron has also appeared as Faustino Colmenero in some records, which has been confusing for me. Can anyone enlighten me re: the Colmenero surname in relation to Duron? The only reference I've found so far for Faustino's parents is from a death record in Aguascalientes for 13 Jun 1786 : Manuel Colmenero, father, & Maria Antonia, his mother. It does show his wife as Crestina Marques. Anna Crestina's parents are Alexo Marques & Gertrudis Martines, but I've found no further information for them in Aguascalientes circa early 1700's. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd be most appreciative, as Gertrudis Martinez is my most distant known ancestor in my matrilineal lineage.

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My husband has ancestors in Aguascalientes in late 1600s and 1700s with the name Duron, also Martinez or Martines, and sometimes they used just Martin (from Martin del Campo).

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: cudave@icloud.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:16:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Colmenero & Duron surnames
>
> I have a maternal ancestor, Anna Christina Marquez Martines, married to Juan
> Faustino Duron circa 1750 (have not located their marriage info yet). Juan
> Faustino Duron has also appeared as Faustino Colmenero in some records, which
> has been confusing for me. Can anyone enlighten me re: the Colmenero surname
> in relation to Duron? The only reference I've found so far for Faustino's
> parents is from a death record in Aguascalientes for 13 Jun 1786 : Manuel
> Colmenero, father, & Maria Antonia, his mother. It does show his wife as
> Crestina Marques. Anna Crestina's parents are Alexo Marques & Gertrudis
>

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Hello Emilie!

I'm so happy to see your response! I emailed you several years back because I had read some of your posts on Nuestros and realized that we're actually relatively "close" neighbors in Kitsap. I've been researching my mother's ancestors since 2010, beginning not long after my father's death.

Early this spring, I began working on my dad's lineage in Guanajuato. To my surprise, I've recently discovered that my father's line gradually migrated to Guanajuato from the Los Altos region of Jalisco! Who knew that both of my parent's family origins came from the same state in Mexico!!! It's a small world...after all!

Anyway...the Duron, Marquez, Colmenero & Martines surnames all seem to hail from Aguascalientes in the mid-to-later part of the 1700's and represent some of the earliest ancestors in my matrilineal lines. They've been one of my brick walls for the better part of 3 years!

Maybe we could meet some time over a cup of coffee and compare notes on the possibility of

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Well, hello neighbor,

Yes I would like to meet with you or chat with you via e-mail and find out more about where you live, etc. I will e-mail you privately later. In the meantime, I will look for your e-mail to see what it was about. I usually print out e-mails that I need to respond to. Maybe if you tell me what it was about, I can look in the binders I have. I have five bookcases of family trees I have done for folks since 2001.

Since 2010 I have been quite ill and had dialysis and a kidney transplant and need to take 20 pills a day for the rest of my life so the kidney won't reject, so maybe that is why you didn't hear back from me. I have good days and bad, and now that I am 77 and my husband Tony is 80, we don't go out much.

Only recently have I gotten back to doing research like I used to and am currently doing a family tree for my adopted daughter, and I find that her paternal and maternal ancestors all came to Jalisco via Aguascalientes (the two states were once

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Hola Emilie,

I'll respond to this email privately, after Thanksgiving, ok?
Till then,
Consuelo Udave

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
> Well, hello neighbor,
>
> Yes I would like to meet with you or chat with you via e-mail and find out more about where you live, etc. I will e-mail you privately later. In the meantime, I will look for your e-mail to see what it was about. I usually print out e-mails that I need to respond to. Maybe if you tell me what it was about, I can look in the binders I have. I have five bookcases of family trees I have done for folks since 2001.
>
> Since 2010 I have been quite ill and had dialysis and a kidney transplant and need to take 20 pills a day for the rest of my life so the kidney won't reject, so maybe that is why you didn't hear back from me. I have good days and bad, and now that I am 77 and my husband Tony is 80, we don't go out much.
>
> Only recently have I gotten back to doing research

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Juan Faustino was baptized 26 August 1714 in Aguascalientes, his parents are Jose Manuel Ruiz Colmenero (aka Duron) and Maria Polonia Fernandez de Sosa. Faustino's godfather was capitan Nicolas Faustion de Aguilera. The baptism is the first record in the following image:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XX6B-8V?i=471&wc=M6Q6-VP8%…

Jose Manuel Duron is the son of Francisco Gutierrez Duron (aka Ruiz Colmenero) and Beatriz Rodriguez de Vera. Maria Polonia Fernandez de Sosa was originally from Silao and is the illegitimate daughter of Juan Fernandez de Sosa and Maria Dorotea. Their marriage record is top right of the following image: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXC3-CP6?wc=M99K-3Z1%3An10…

Sorry, but I don't have any information for Ana Cristina Marquez.

Best regards,
Austin Perez

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Austin,

this is great information. now me and Consuelo are related since Jose Manuel Duron and my Francisca Solana Duron are brother and sister.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Austin,

Thanks, that's great information. That makes sense, her younger sister was probably named for St. Francis of Assisi and She was named for St. Francisco Solano combined with the Basque, St. Francis Xavier. That baptism date would also definitely line up with when she was probably born. We need to find out where the Ruiz Colmenero comes from.

Chris

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Maria Theodora Martines (M3B1-TWW) married to Salvador Macias de Bustos (M3K3-NJ7) I found the information disjointed and just merged information. All they need are dates of approx. birth and the computer will search more efficiently, but they sure have many variables. There came up 2 matches for Maria Theodora, but I did not merge because I do not know enough about them to merge them. Hope that helps you.

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Simona,

Salvador Macias and MAria Theodora Martines got married on january 9th 1746
in el Sagrario Aguascalientes so both of them wwere probly born close to
1726. The parents for Salvador Macias are Thomas Macias Valadez and
Nicolasa de Bustos

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTDQ-NQD?i=341&wc=M6QF-2P8…

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:36 AM, wrote:

> Maria Theodora Martines (M3B1-TWW) married to Salvador Macias de Bustos
> (M3K3-NJ7) I found the information disjointed and just merged information.
> All they need are dates of approx. birth and the computer will search more
> efficiently, but they sure have many variables. There came up 2 matches for
> Maria Theodora, but I did not merge because I do not know enough about them
> to merge them. Hope that helps you.
>

FW: The Moors Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b)

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From: Angel R.

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From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:33 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Moors Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Moors connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 30, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

https://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformat… &int_class_id=74047&utm_source=ce-Osher

Best Regards,
Ángel de Cervantes
Executive Director
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Institute

Where to start...Arias

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Hello i would like to get started on the Arias line but only have documents that state Pedro Arias and Esteban Arias were from Jalisco. Any suggestions on where I would start??

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I got information off of his Social Security application that states he was born in "Lovavga, Jal, MX" I have tried several variants of the name and come up with no solid town name...any suggestions?

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Amalia,

Do you have a date of birth on the Social Security application? did you look in family search? that's where i would go first

Danny C. Alonso

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I agree with La Barca Jalisco being the best staring point. What other information is known about these people? What siblings, in laws, wives, any other thread that we can pull at? The arias in my family that I have studied are in tamazuela, Ayo el/Ayotlan Arandas Jalisco. Give us information to help you out in your search.

Rick Ricci

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I agree with La Barca Jalisco being the best starting point. What other information is known about these people? What siblings, in laws, wives, or any other thread that we can pull at? The Arias in my family that I have studied are in Tamazuela, Ayo el Chico /Ayotlan Arandas Jalisco. Give us information to help you out in your search.

Rick Ricci

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Amalia

Without more specific information, it is difficult to provide good guidance.

Some suggestions:

(1) Were they US residents or citizens and did they have social security numbers? If so, and are deceased, you can get copies of the social security card applications; these documents may have the place of birth; although it might just be the country. The link to this is the social security death index (at Family Search and other sites). You will have to write to the Social Security Administration, and pay a fee.

(2) Border crossing records will sometimes have the place of birth. These are at Ancestry.com, and some at Family Search. Very rarely, these will have photos.

(3) Do any older family members have consular documents from the Mexican Consulates; these may have the place of birth (these were often used as identification). Sometimes these have photos attached.

(4) The 1930 Mexican Census may be helpful.

(5) The US Censuses will have dates of immigration, but not specific

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Oh I tried to get a copy of Esteban or Pedros birth records but you have to be a Mexico citizen. They said I would have to get one of my family members to do it for me, for them to even search for it. Some States are diffrent than others. I had no problem getting what I needed from the State of San Luis Potosi where my Hernandez rooted...

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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Hi Amalia,

My wife is an Arias and her father is from Apulco, Jalisco. You may want to
look into this small town. I'm sure there are Arias in other parts of Jalisco,
but this may be a starting point.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo Munoz

------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:21 PM PDT, 08/10/2011
From: hernandezmol@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Where to start...Arias

Hello i would like to get started on the Arias line but only have documents
that state Pedro Arias and Esteban Arias were from Jalisco. Any suggestions
on where I would start??

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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When I was working on records from Tamazula Jalisco I found Arias sometimes mixed with Balovinos, also noticed they appeared to come from Michoacan.. Daniel.. did you find Arias also?
Linda in B.C.

From: Juan Aguayo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Where to start...Arias

Hi Amalia,

My wife is an Arias and her father is from Apulco, Jalisco. You may want to
look into this small town. I'm sure there are Arias in other parts of Jalisco,
but this may be a starting point.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo Munoz

------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:21 PM PDT, 08/10/2011
From: hernandezmol@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Where to start...Arias

Hello i would like to get started on the Arias line but only have documents
that state Pedro Arias and Esteban Arias were from Jalisco.  Any suggestions
on where I would start??

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Guido de Lavezares, su padre Sebastian y los Gonzalez de Isla en Espana

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Hola y saludos a todos aquí en Nuestros Ranchos.

Tengo tiempo buscando documentación de los orígenes españoles de la familia González de Isla, que vivieron en Nochistlan en el siglo XVII.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Lun, 2015-11-23 19:11 | Enlace permanente

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I found this note on our Guido el menor

AbezAREs (Guido DE)—Guido de Lavezares, Lavezaris, Lavazaris, Labezarii, Labezarrii ó Lauezaris ... allí á la capital de la Nueva España, donde parece que se dedicó de nuevo á su oficio de librero.

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Claudia:

Traduzco del francés la mayor parte de un artículo sobre Guido de Lavezares que se encuentra en: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_de_Lavezaris

Guido de Lavezaris

Guido de Lavezaris (1512-1582) fue el segundo gobernador general español de Filipinas. Sucedió el 20 de agosto de 1572, a Miguel López de Legazpi, y fue seguido en 25 de agosto 1575 por Francisco de Sande.

Contenido

1 Juventud
2 Ascensión
3 Gobernador y al final de la vida
4 Fuentes

Juventud

Hijo de Sebastián Lavezaris, librero, y Catalina Chávez, Guido de Lavezaris o Lavezares, nació en Sevilla en 1512. Proviene de una familia de libreros y editores, de Génova y se estableció en Sevilla. Su padre era un librero importante en su lugar de trabajo, y su abuelo, Guido El Viejo, editó una serie de libros entre 1491 y 1508, año en que murió. A la muerte de su padre, ocurrida en 1532, Guido siguió la tradición familiar y, a su vez, se convirtió en un librero. El 4 de junio 1536, se embarcó con su hermana Magdalena

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I read a post by Carlos Peredo where he stated the following:

"La confusión es fácil ya que de acuerdo a información del querido Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, Benito-que era hijo de Magdalena de Labezares (I), también casó con una Magdalena de Labezares (II)(seguramente su prima hermana- hija de Guido de Labezares)

Gracias por su paciencia y quedan las interrogantes ......

Carlos A. Peredo"

This post led to me to research Guido De Labezares and Ines Alvarez Gibraleon. I did not find any daughter of Guido and Ines named Magdalena. I did find a daughter with a different name and her husband was not Benito de Islas. Benitos spouse was Juana Navarro Moctezuma. Benito also had a daughter out of wedlock.

Alfonso Reynoso quoted and translated Wilkipedia which provided the source for their information. Here is part of what he wrote:

"Guido de Lavezaris estaba casado con Inés Alvarez Gibraleón, pero murió en 1582 sin descendencia. El municipio de Lavezares, Norte de Samar, fue nombrado

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Hello Danny,

Thank you for sending me the thread. I don't read all of the posts and obviously have missed joining that thread. I occasionally post information from my Villalpando research. I descend from your ancestor Mariana Villalpandos brother. If you look at my last post on Villalpandos you will see that I had found Ysabel Losano de Gardeas parents. If I had paid attention to these posts, then I could have saved myself a lot of work as her parents are identified in the thread that you pointed out.

I also did not have guido el viejos two marriages.

I am still wondering where Guido juniors daughters surname of Monterey came from. With a respectable source stating that they didn't have children, and Ana having the surname Monterey, I wonder if she was adopted by Guido Lavesares and Ines Alvarez. Court records do name her as a daughter.
I have an interesting story about Guidos daughter in my book.
Thanks again,
Rick A Ricci

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Por suuesto, Guido de Lavezares, personaje de novela, Marco Polo alteño, pasó a Nueva España con su hermana, Maria de Lavezares y su cuñado Berardino de Isla. En Nochistlán existe una vasta descendencia de ellos. Creo que Bill Figueroa le puede dar pormenores.

Saludos

GTT

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guido de Lavezares, su padre Sebastian y los Gonzalez de Isla en Espana

Hola y saludos a todos aqu en Nuestros Ranchos.

Tengo tiempo buscando documentacin de los orgenes espaoles de la familia Gonzlez de Isla, que vivieron en Nochistlan en el siglo XVII.

Yo desciendo - igual como muchos en este foro - de Bernardino Gonzlez de Isla, casado en 21 Apr 1631 (Nochistlan) con Mariana de Moscoso y Sandoval.

Encontr en PARES, Archivo de

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Lorenzo Tadeo Macias de Ayala / Ana Maria Romero

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for the parents of Lorenzo Tadeo Macias de Ayala and Ana Maria
Romero. I cant find the marriage.

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Hi Danny,
Yeah, we do have a lot of the same ancestors. I think your Alonso's intermarried with my Cuellar's repeatedly. On my tree I know of at least 6 or 7 times that Cuellar's married Alonso's, so, we will probably have many more relatives in common.
Chris

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Hi Danny,

My records agree with what Chris posted:

Anna de Ayala Cortes was daughter of Alferez Real Andres de Ayala and Beatriz Ortiz (aka Beatriz Cortes aka Beatriz Peguero), b. 18 Aug 1653, Ags:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-TWX?wc=M99K-S5T%3An92…

Her father, Andres de Ayala, was son of Juan Montoro Guzman “El Mozo” and Catalina de Ayala; Juan Montoro Guzman was son of Juan Montoro “El Viejo” (founder of Aguascalientes) and Maria Rodriguez, both from Jerez de la Frontera, Cadiz, Spain. I don’t have Catalina de Ayala’s ancestry. Andres and his sister Catalina used their mother’s surname, while their siblings used “Montoro” or “Rodriguez.” Most of their records have been indexed, so you should be able to find them at familysearch.

I have Andres de Ayala as a testigo on some documents, so we have his approximate birth year (1602-1604):

29 Jul 1654, ordenes for Antonio Sotelo, gives age as 51 (1603). Signed his name “Andres de Ayala.”
https:/

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Manny,

thank you very much for this information. this is great. Im glad I know for sure now about Anna de Ayala Cortes. and, yes my Alonso's were originally Alonso de los Hinojos, i didnt know that until just a few months ago. Here's my Alonso line

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Alonso-154

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

Rosalia's parents Lorenzo Tadeo Macías de Ayala and Anna María Romero Maturano are my 8th great grandparents. Based on their children's baptism's, Lorenzo Tadeo Macías de Ayala and Anna María Romero Maturano would've married sometime before 1737. I haven't been able to locate their marriage and I've spent quite sometime searching in multiple locations, including the most probable locations of Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes, and couldn't find it.

Back to the parents. Anna María Romero Maturano is the daughter of Juan Antonio Romero Maturano and María Íñiguez.

Anna María Romero Maturano also had a sibling named Joseph María Romero Maturano that married in Teocaltiche in 1734:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-56681-40?cc=1874591&wc…

Anna María Romero Maturano died in Aguascalientes on 29 Nov 1761:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11601-43336-81?cc=1502404&…

Lorenzo

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https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~

I am not sure I linked these names properly but check it out on
FamilySearch above link. If it doesn't work or if you already have these
names let me know.

Esther

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> I'm looking for the parents of Lorenzo Tadeo Macias de Ayala and Ana Maria
> Romero. I cant find the marriage. Does anyone in the Nuestros Ranchos Forum
> have information on them. Theyre on the wikitree but it doesn't list the
> parents.
> http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mac%C3%ADas-353
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Family Search Film 299531

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Can someone help me find Family Search Film 299531.

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This film is filed under Cieneguila, Aguascalientes; this is the film of San Jose baptisms beginning in 1766.

George Fulton

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