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I haven't checked any other areas besides Teocaltiche. I still have a lot of
film to look through and, hopefully (with my fingers crossed), I'll find a
link. If not, I truly appreciate your advise below.

Thanks so much,
V-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: 04 January, 2009 11:20
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco and surrounding areas.

> Veronica,
>
> Have any of your searches led you to Nochistlan? Many families began in
> Nochistlan Zacatecas and moved out to surrounding areas. Teocaltiche,
> Mexticacan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Tepatitlan and Jalostitlan are some of
> Jalisco's surrounding/neighboring towns.
> Some surrounding towns from outside of Jalisco and within Zacatecas are
> Jalpa, Huanusco, Tepusco, Apulco and Villanueva among others. Keep
> these in mind when doing your research, know the geographical area.
>
> See below from WIKIPEDIA, and while there are some discrepancies, for the
> most part this was one of the first

I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna. They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

welcome to the Forum CindyF. Do you know what the full names are of the
actual brick walls your stuck on and who theyre married to. Some of the us
in the Forum might be related to the same peoples and be able to help you

Danny C. Alonso

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Cindy F wrote:

> maternal grandfather's lines have been found in Ocotlan, La Barca, Jamay,
> Magdalena and possibly Tequila. Surnames are:
> Jimenez/Jimenes/Gimenes/Ximenes, Peres/Perez, Castellanos, Carillos,
> Velasco,
>

Hello Cindy, I have a few names, locations in common with you and I also
live in San Diego, and I hope we can share a few names. I am presently in
northern California and will be traveling to Chicago in a few days which I
will be visiting my daughter. I will not return to San Diego until about
the 3rd week in January. I do have lots of Jimenez in my family in Jamay,
etc., etc. You may contact me directly at esther@enhanced.org.

Hope to hear from you soon,

Esther Jordan, (Lopez/Mendoza)

while your post were in 2011, would you know if the books are still available?

2. I checked volumes 1-3 from the public library interlibrary loan program and there is too much information to take in within the time frame the library gives to read (21 days).

I found the roots of my family the Franco-Quijas in Vol. 3 The Quixas married the Franco, Parades, Huertas, Morquechos etc.

I would also like to know if you have where we can request reproduction of this information. Thanks

I am definitely interested. Thank you for any info you can provide.

Raquel Ruiz

Gracias Ricardo!
Estoy muy interesada!

Sofia

A mi me interesa tener la colección completa, si alguien en Guadalajara puede comprarlos, yo puedo depositarle a esa persona y pagar obviamente el envío a Querétaro.

Gracias por avisar, saludos
José Humberto Suárez
************************************************
Ya conseguí quien me los compre. Espero me estén llegando a Querétaro el próximo martes.

Saludos

Estimados Miembros:

Encontré esta capellanía, fundada por Andrés de Quevedo que nos da más información sobre Juan de Araiza-Medina y Aguilar (No es el mismo que Juan de Araiza y Medina Gonzalez-Lozano casado con María del Castillo).

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18382-36450-54?cc=1874591&wc…

Dicho Br. (bachiller) Juan de Araiza-Medina Aguilar fue mencionado en el documento que nos proporcionó Enrique Agraz recientemente. No encuentro donde diga quien fue su padre, pero creo que debió ser hijo de Fernando de Araiza, a su vez hijo primogénito de Juan de Araiza Medina y Maria de Isla González Lozano. De ser así, este probablemente es su bautismo:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMM4-9XY

Importantemente, nos da varias generaciones que no conocía. El hermano del fundador Andrés de Quevedo fue
1) Antonio Martínez de Quevedo casó con Mariana Telles de Herrera, tuvieron a:
2) ¿? de Aguilar cc. ¿? de Quevedo, tuvieron a:
3)

The current standard spelling is epazote. You can see the location of El Epazote that Manny mentioned in the top left of the map at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Colotlan_MBase2013…

There's a hacienda by that name in Colotlan

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Katy, thank you for posting this, a great way to recheck my records for missing people
Linda in Olympia

Hi Esperanza,
i'm looking forward to your updated information about Nicolas Llamas Leal and Magdalena Robles Merino. I descend from them thru their daughter Juana and Joseph Gonzalez. I've been unable to find any information about the latter couple, such as their marriage, ca ~1690.

Juana and Joseph's daughter Efigenia married my paternal Gonzalez ancestor (Alejo Gonzalez) in Tlaltenango 1722. In the marriage and marriage bann records, however, Alejo used "Covarrubias" as his last name for some reason.

How did you find out that Nicolas Llamas was from Guanajuato?
-Arturo

you will find many of the same surnames and families in the records of Jerez and Tepetongo too
but I don't know if you have used the Sagrada Mitra indexed on this site but it's a wonderful resource to since it gives you the names of the people in each record.
good luck in your search.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia, Wa.

Buenas Noches
le envio un cordial saludo a usted y a todos los miembros de este foro
una pregunta compañeros

alguien a tenido noticias sobre la publicación del libro de don Guillermo tovar de teresa donde menciona los documento en donde habla del linaje de Petronila de Moctezuma asi como su relación con el emperador Moctezuma ll?

yo soy descendiente de martin gabay navarro y de Petronila de Moctezuma y de esta pareja de su hija ana francisca gabay y lope ruiz de esparza por varias líneas de los hijos de esta ultima pareja.

espero y podremos encontrar el eslabón que nos faltan a muchos de nosotros para relacionar a Petronila de Moctezuma con el emperador Moctezuma ll
por su atención muchas gracias a todos
que tengan un excelente noche saludos
estamos en contacto.

Are you familiar with Familysearch.org with has many on-line digital images of baptism, marriage, and death records? If yes, under the Catholic Church records there are baptisms, marriages, and deaths all lumped together for the years 1921-1951. You may also want to double check the other listings for death records in case there is an entry error. I personally have found death records under marriages in other Jalisco records. Good luck.

Carlos,

So everyone can follow what you are talking about. It is the CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: FRANCISCO HERMOSILLO MEXICO,177,N.58 1607-5-30 in Audencia de México under Archivo General de Indias found at http://pares.mcu.es/

I do see where at the top of image 5 where it states he is "Francisco Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad ...hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su legitimo mujer mis padres difuntos y nieto de Gonzalo García Hermosillo y Leonor Sánchez Parra su mujer mis abuelos paternos; de Gonzalo Magdaleno y María Hernández su mujer mis abuelos maternos"

Then on the 8th line from the bottom it talks about his brother Juan and it says "Juan González Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad de México hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su mujer vecinos de esta ciudad de México...padre natural de la villa de Guadalcanal en el reino de Castilla y la dicha mi madre de esta dicha ciudad"

On image 6 I see where you it mentions what looks like the

Paige,

No, it isn't certain but additional proof would be needed, but there are no records whatsoever that I, or Manny, can find that show Diego Alonso del Pedroso ever used the Ramírez surname, as Manny had pointed out. In order to make that assumption we would need to find a document that does that. Unfortunately, most documents from Jalostotitlán from that period no longer exist. Supposedly they were lost in a fire. There is a book by Sergio Gutiérrez with the padrón from 1650 you can buy at Amazon that supposedly has Diego Alonso del Pedroso with his wife and six of seven of his children. Search for Jalostotitlán at Amazon to find it. Another record to search for is a Cofradía from 1627. Until then the Ramírez surname should be taken off of Diego Alonso del Pedroso because otherwise it is a presumption. Yes, descendants of Diego Alonso could've used Muñoz as descendants of María Muñoz but there are no indications whatsoever that he ever did so his descendants that did use it was

I'm trying to determine what is the correct origin of the González de
Hermosillo. Elsewhere on the forum I've see this:

· Pedro Fernández de Hermosilla
· Alonso de Hermosilla casó a Catalina González hija de Tomás González
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Catalina Ramírez
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Isabel de Escobar hija del Conq. Juan de
Burgos
· Juan González de Hermosillo. Casó a María Muñoz Cabeza de Vaca hija de
Francisco Muñoz y de aquí nació la línea alteña.
Then it seemed as though Juan González de Hermosillo and Ana Rodríguez
Magdaleno were agreed upon as the parents of the Juan González de
Hermosillo that married María Muñoz. But lately, I've seen several websites
list Gonzalo García de Hermosillo as the origin of our González de
Hermosillo.

Since, my Diego Ildefonso Ramírez de Hermosillo uses Ramírez, it makes
sense that the line would travel through Catalina Ramírez and Juan González
de Hermosillo, but I don't know.

Is there anyone in the forum that has a theory

Wow you're research is amazing! Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos and you are obviously a wonderful addition.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

________________________________
From: Manny Diez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction and request for assistance on Gonzalez de Hermosillo

First of all, I want to thank all of you for all of the amazing work you've
done: when I began this project at the beginning of the summer, I saved my
maternal grandfather's ancestry for last, because I assumed it would be the
most difficult. We don't know much about our patriarch, J. Refugio G.
Hermosillo, before he crossed the border in 1926; he was 43 at the time,
and had already lived a lifetime. We had no contact with his family, his
parents and siblings dying long before we were born. All we knew was that
he was from a small town in Zacatecas called Montesa, and that, according
to him, he descended from one of

Welcome Primo...and BRAVO for the best intro I've seen here.

Interesting, just before I opened up this topic I was looking at these record images 208 to 220,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18698-47642-70?cc=1874591&wc…

My Great Grandfathers great great grandfather, Francisco Del Castillo's daughter Maria Francisca del Castillo Bonal, married into the Romo de Vivar line from San Juan de Los Lagos. Image 218 details the surname Romo de Vivar.

Still researching their offspring but I know that Francisca del Castillo and Ramon Romo married in Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Going to research this line to see if there is any relation.
Zacoalco de Torres is named after the insurgent "El Amo Torres".

Simona

I've indexed/extracted many of the matrimonial investigations from Aguascalientes (everything up to about 1730; I am currently working on 1730-40) and posted them here at NR. Go to Files, Reference materials, then Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations.

These are pdf files that are searchable. You can down-load these files if you wish.

The early records are incomplete, and not in chronological order. Unfortunately, I did not find any records for Nicolas Contreras.

At some point Family Search re-posted the matrimonial investigation films, and thus the image numbers do not match the way the films are currently posted, so my index has become somewhat difficult to use.

George Fulton

It's at the top right on my screen.

That particular Juan Pérez Gallo and his wife Doña Ángela de Orozco are my 12th great grandparents. I'm familiar with his children and their children, but I don't have any further information on him or who his parents are. His wife Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco is the natural born daughter of Francisco de Orozco(the son of Gerónimo de Orozco and Ángela de Velasco) and Catalina de Arriola. There's a couple of dispensas that mention the Pérez Gallo in Montejano Hilton's Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.' But, neither show anything further for the Pérez Gallo line or for Juan Pérez Gallo. You can view the two dispensas that mention Pérez Gallo below. The first one is a Dispensa de cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita and mentions the widow of Francisco de Tejeda Villaseñor, Doña María Pérez Gallo, (daughter of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco). The other mentions Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo, (grandson of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco and the

There should have been a dispensa for this couple. Vicente Romo de Vivar, father of the groom, was the son of Joseph Romo de Vivar who was the son of María de Villalobos who was the daughter of Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz who were also the parents of Francisca Villalobos who had Juan Tiscareño the father of Maria Dolores Tiscareño.

If anyone finds the dispensa please let me know.

Hola Felipe,

Creo haber notado algunos errores en tus Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de Vivar en Aguascalientes. Te envío el Pedigree de Joseph Andrés Romo de Vivar, casado con María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor, para que verifiques. Avísame si necesitas alguna información adicional.

Saludos,
Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

Hola Felipe:

Un comentario sobre tus apuntes para la genealogia de la familia Romo de
Vivar de Aguascalientes, por favor no lo tomes a mal.

Te parece buena idea incluir las fuentes de información de cada individuo?
Aunque casi estoy seguro que usaste datos de la Iglesia LDS...
Se faciliataría mas la verificación de tus apuntes si incluyes tus fuentes.

Por ahí leí que "Genealogia sin documentación es Mitología"

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "felipe reyes"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de
Vivar en Aguascalientes

Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de Vivar en Aguascalientes

1600 (Circa) Diego Romo casó con Catharina de Pérez en la Parroquia de
Rielves, Toledo, España

1624 (Circa) Diego Romo de Vivar y Pérez