Hola,
Gracias por aceptarme en este interesante grupo. Mi nombre es Adriana Lopez. Mis antepasados tambien han poblado la region del Bajio, he encontrado unos 200 nombres, algunos por comprobar. Me interesa informacion sobre esta region. Mis archivos los voy a ir anadiendo en https://nuestrosranchos.org/adilogue
disculpen la falta de acentos
I am looking for the father of Beatriz Vasquez Retamosa, who married
Juan Rodriguez de Chavarria on 6 March 1618 in Aguascalientes,
through a dispensa I found out Beatriz was daughter of Catalina
Daniel,
Would you be so kind as to provide a link or a copy of the dispensa you mention in this thread (https://nuestrosranchos.org/node/18628)?
Saludos,
Bernardo Menchaca
I hope some of this helps, maybe you'll luck out with a dispensa for
cosanguinidad. Did you find their record of Información Matrimonial? Maybe
the father is listed there, as the one presenting her or the father is
mentioned, or one of his siblings is a witness (testigo), if you cannot find
the father at least you'll be able to continue the line back further through
the sibling. How about testamentos (wills), have you looked at those yet?
You might also like to look at mortgaging and or conveying of water rights
and land. These normally tell from whom individuals aquired the land or
water that they are selling or mortgaging. Well, good luck
You have probably looked at the following records? If not I would take a
look to see if they list Abuelos Paternos/Maternos; it's doubtful for that
time period.
Espero que algo de esto te ayude, a lo mejor tienes suerte con una dispensa
de cosanguinity. ¿Ha encontrado el récord de Información Matrimonial de
Beatriz? Tal vez el padre es la
LOS ORGENES DE LOS PADILLA DAVILA EN ESPAÑA Y MEXICO
ESTUDIO-GENEALGICO
Guillermo Padilla Origel
padillaoguillermo@prodigy.net.mx
Ancestrado en su origen de las villas de Padilla d
This is not the whole Padilla line. I have streamlined it to show the ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila who is a co-founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos Nueva Galicia what is now known as Jalisco Mexico. I stopped the line at Lorenzo’s sons Sancho Padilla Dávila and Diego Padilla Dávila, both of whom are my ancestors many times over. Later I will present I -XIV.
Padilla ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila ordered by Roman numerals.
XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”
XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:
XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan Martinez de Leiva
I.)- Alfonso VI, “The Brave” (d. 1109), king of Castile: had child with his mistress, Jimena Muñoz d. 1128
II.)- Elvira Alfonso m. as her 2nd husband Count Fernando who (d. bef. 1130)
III.) - Teresa Fernández m. Count Osorio Martínez, d. 1160.
IV.) - Gonzalo Osorio, mayordomo mayor del rey Fernando II.
V.) - Osorio González, d. ca 1220
VI.) - Rodrigo Osorio
VII.) - Rodrigo (Ruy) Rodríguez
VIII.) - Alvar Rodríguez Osorio m. Elvira Nuñez
IX.) - Elvira Alvarez Osorio m. García Gómez Carillo
X.) - Juana García Carrillo m. as 1st husband, Diego Gutiérrez de Ceballos
(d.1330)
XI.) - Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos, d. before 1372 m. Fernán Pérez de Ayala (testamento 2/December/1378.
XII.) - Juana Garcia de Ayala m. Juan Fernández de Padilla
XIII.) - Pero (Pedro) Lopez de Padilla, Señor de Catalañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey Juan II. Pedro López de Padilla married Leonor Sarmiento, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Señor de Salinas y mariscal de Castilla and Juana de Guzmán
XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”
XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:
XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan Martinez de Leiva, adelantado Mayor de Castilla y camarero del Rey señor de Coruña y Guiomar Manuel y Castañeda.
[Some genealogists claim that Pedro López de Padilla is the grandfather or great grandfather of Juan Fernández de Padilla II, but I believe that they have confused the “López de Padilla” line with the “Garcia de Padilla line”.]
XV.- Juan Fernández de Padilla II murio 1376, Casó con Juana Fernández de Ayala y son Padres de
XVI.- Pedro
Aquí está la prueba que Juan Fernández Padilla y Juana Garcia de Ayala son los abuelos paternos de Gutierre López de Padilla (aka Gutierre Padilla) y que Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento son sus padres.
…………….“Doña Juana, terçera fija de don Ferrand de Ayala.
Casó esta doña Juana con Juan Ferrández de Padilla, señor de Calatallaçor
e de Cruña , alguazil mayor de Toledo e camarero del rey, del qual
ovo un fijo que dixeron Pero López de / Padilla que casó con doña Leonor
Sarmiento, fija de Pero Ruiz Sarmiento e de doña Juana de Guzmán, e ovo
della fi Padilla, e Diego de Padilla, e Ferrando de Padilla , comendador de la
Orden de Calatrava, e otro que llaman Garçía, comendador de Santiago, e otro
que llaman Gutierre , e otro que llaman Sancho. E ovo fijas a doña Juana , e
a doña Costança , e a doña María , éstas murieron pequeñas. Tiene las otras
dos, que llaman doña Ysabel e doña Juana, e otros fijos e fijas. E ovo la dicha
doña Juana una fija del dicho Juan
I have the Padilla line going further back another five hundred years but there are multiple marriages, and sometimes there is disagreement as to which of the wives is the biological mother. I also found a couple of instances where it seems that a generation is skipped because the father dies at a young age and therefore he is then adopted by his grandfather. When the grandson inherits property from his grandfather which leads people to incorrectly assume that he is his biological father. In one case this May have happened with a great grandfather, passing over his son and grandson, giving the inheritance to his great grandson.
Rick A. Ricci
Source: mygenes2000
This is not the whole Padilla line. I have streamlined it to show the ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila who is a co-founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos Nueva Galicia what is now known as Jalisco Mexico. I stopped the line at Lorenzo’s sons Sancho Padilla Dávila and Diego Padilla Dávila, both of whom are my ancestors many times over. Later I will present I -XIV.
Padilla ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila ordered by Roman numerals.
XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”
XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:
XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan
The Padilla surname is not from a strictly paternal ancestry.
The line of the men in this family started with Dávila or De Ávila.
1)- Mateo(s) Dávila b. In early 1200’s (based on him receiving property in 1266), ambassador of King Alfonso X “el Sabio”. Mateos was also known as a famous conquistador of Jerez de la Frontera.
2)- Bartolome Martinez Dávila (fought in battle of “1285” defending Jerez de la Frontera) (second owner of “las casas en la Colación de San Salvador de Jerez de La Frontera” that his father received in 1266.).
Bartolome Martinez Dávila married Juana Bernalte Dávila
3)- Juan Bernalte Dávila I was famous for taking the castle of Tempui in 1300, and he was the third owner of the “las casas en la Colación de San Salvador de Jerez de La Frontera”. Juan Bernalte Dávila married Elvira Gutierrez Gatica
4)- Bartolome Martinez Dávila II and Leonor de Padilla. Bartolome had another marriage, but Juan Bernalte de Dávila is the son of Leonor Padilla as stated in a
Hay problemas con el árbol de los Padilla construido por Guillermo Padilla Origel. Hay muchos “Pedro López de Padilla” en el árbol familiar.
Otro problema es que los que Guillermo Padilla Origel tiene como padres de Gutierre que en verdad son sus abuelos paternos.
Un documento nombra a Gutierre Padilla como hermano de Fernando. Y en otro documento, Fernando es identificado como hijo de Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento. Entonces Gutierre Padilla también es hijo de Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento.
Este Pedro López de Padilla es hijo de Juana Garcia de Ayala (Aka Fernández de Ayala aka de Ayala) casada en con Juan Fernández de Padilla
De mi libro:
"Padilla descent from King Henry II of England
1). Queen of England and France, Eleanor of Aquitane (b.abt1122), (d.1/Apr/1204) + Henry II Plantagenet, King of England
2). Princess of England, Leonore Plantagenet Queen consort of Castilla (b.13/Oct/1162, d.October/1214) + Alfonso VIII "el noble", King of
Dear Rick:
I think there's a mistake in the last part of your post;
"15). Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila b. ca 1525 m. Mariana Temiño de Velasco b.August 1543 in Mexico City.
Lorenzo was a “Capitan en Tercios, estuvo en Flandes” that came to Nueva Galicia and was one of the founders of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia.
Mariana Temiño de Velasco is the daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco and descends from Francisca de Alcocer. Francisca Alcocer is the daughter of Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez. Both Diego Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez descend from Jewish converso families. Blanca Nuñez has a mix of Jewish converso, Muslim converso, and old Christian minor nobility ancestry. Blanca has an ancestor who was a Moor that was King of Valencia that converted to Catholicism. A member of this family became a Pope."
Mariana Temiño de Velasco, wife of Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila, was the second daughter of Pedro Pacho and Mariana (or Ana María) Temiño de Velasco, who was the daughter
Thanks Jesus for catching that. You are right that she is the daughter of the Mariana that I had mistakenly written there. I have it correct in my records. I should have checked what I typed before I posted it. I will go through it again to make sure that there aren’t any other mistakes. And yes I do have more information on that family that I will be presenting in my book. I am leaving a few ancestral lines for my book.
Thanks again Jesus,
Rick A. Ricci
It's my pleasure Rick.
One more question, I have read in several genealogies in Internet that Francisca Alcocer was the daughter of Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de Alcocer and that it is Isabel de Alcocer the daughter of Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Núñez, what do you think? Because you skipped Hernando and Isabel in your post and put Francisca as the daughter of Diego and Blanca. What would be the correct thing?
Best regards
Thank you Jesus. I will be more careful in writing my post. I will send to your personal email information showing how these lines that you are asking about are descendants of Jewish conversos. I will only send a little information to clarify the lines that you are asking about as I am saving much of that information for the book.
Thanks again, Jesus,
Rick
Hello Rick.
Thank you for your kind offering. This is my email address jesusibarra1964@gmail.com
I would like to purchase a copy of your book when you have it. Please let me know.
Thank you!
Hello Jesus,
Check your email inbox to see a jewel that I sent your way. Also check out the discussion on the Alcocer family in this thread: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18963?page=1
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Rick
Thank you very much, it is indeed a jewel!
Very grateful
Hello Rick
Thank you very much, it is indeed a jewel!
Very grateful
While re-reading my post, I saw that I had written Diego Temino de Velasco. While this is the name most nuestrosranchos genealogists refer by, in my records I have him as Diego Velasco de Temino with a note that he is also named in records as Diego Velasco de Treviño and Diego Temino de Velasco. His mother’s surname is Velasco and that is the one that he uses. I have posted on other threads how sometimes surname changes come about when a person moves from one area to another.
Rick A. Ricci
A few months ago my book about the Reynoso was made available in Amazon and it includes a chapter about Nueva Galicia. Here is the link if someone is interested.
Notes: Alvaro is married to the widow Urraca de Asturias "Reina viuda de Navarra" nickname "Reina de Asturias", who is the illegitimate daughter of a King Of Castilla Alfonso VII and Gontroda. Gontroda's parents were both distant cousins of Alfonso VII. When Urraca was born she was taken from her mother and raised at the Royal court by the knigs sister. Urracas mother and the king only had a summer fling. Alfonso was married and so was Gontroda. Gontroda had three other children with her husband. Urraca was the Kings first born child as his wife had not yet become pregnant. There is a much bigger story to be told on Urracas life.
4) Fernando Alvarez (inherited the "solar de Tovar") adelantado de estremadura. No name on wife
5)
The descent of Alvar Fañez Minaya to Juan de Tovar, señor de Verlanga, Guarda mayor del Rey Juan II. To Tacho Reynoso
[Pedro Ansurez Señor de Valladolid and his wife Doña Ello have daughter, Bascuna]
1) Alvar Fañez Minaya, He had two wives. First wife Bascuna Perez (daughter of Pedro Ansurez) Alvar has a second wife Estephania, some genealogists list the second wife as the mother. Alvar is the father of Rodrigo Alvarez
2) Rodrigo Alvarez (alcaide o gobernador de Toledo) he was married to "unknown name Señora de Navia" who inherited the "casa de Navia en Asturias y solar de Montenegro en Galicia" Rodrigo is the father of Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia
3) Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia is also known as Alvaro Rodriguez de Castro and Urraca Alfonsez (daughter of Alfonso VII and Gontroda Perez/Pietre)
Notes: Alvaro is married to the widow Urraca de Asturias "Reina viuda de Navarra" nickname "Reina de Asturias", who is the illegitimate daughter of a King Of Castilla Alfonso VII and Gontroda. Gontroda's
1). Alphonso IX king of Leon
2). Urraca Alfonsez (Alfonso) De Leon + Lope Diaz De Haro
3). Lope Ruis López de Haro + Berenguela González Giron
4). María Lopez de Haro + Rui Gil de Villalobos Señor de Villalobos e De Autillo de Campos.
5). Urraca Mayor Rodríguez Villalobos + Rui Fernández de Escobar
6) Rodrigo Fernández de Escobar ( i Villalobos), Señor de Escobar de Campos + María de Tovar (although he did not inherit the Villa De Autillo from his mother, she did give him an hacienda.)
7). Fernan Alvarez de Escobar + Leonor Nuñez de Daza
8). Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + Maria Martinez de Trujillo
9). Rodrigo (Rui) Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos (aka Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar) + Beatriz Cisneros
10). Isabel Ruiz de Escobar y Cisneros + Martin Ruiz de Reinoso (El moço)
11). María Díez de Reinoso + Fernando Alonso de Villacorta
12). Gonzalo de Reinoso + Inés de Melgar
13). Gonzalo de Reinoso y Melgar + Isabel de Escobar
14). Diego de Reinoso y
The spouses María Fernández de Villalobos and Pedro Alvarez Osorio are distant cousins.
Rodrigo (Rui) Rodriguez De Escobar (aka Rodrigo Señor De Escobar as Maria Beatriz Osorio Villalobos are great grandparents of Alvar Rodríguez de Escobar, son of María Berenguela Fernandez Cabeza De Vaca. The “Cabeza de Vaca” shows up in some descendants.
. Rick A. Ricci Source: book Mygenes2000
Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos (the title Señor De Escobar de Campos e Autillo goes to Beatriz’s descendants ). Alvaro and Maria Beatriz are distant cousins through the Villalobos ancestry. . A common ancestor of theirs, María Lopez De Haro, was a great granddaughter of Alfonso IX King of Leon.
Los señores de Autillo
Girón a Villalobos a Escobar a Reinoso
I. Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (b. 1160) de Fernando III recibe el señorío de Autillo en 1221. Casó con Sancha Rodríguez
II. Gonzalo González Girón, canciller mayor de Fernando III. Casó con Teresa Arias Quesada, hija de Arias González de Quesada y de María Froilaz.
III. Berenguela González Girón, señora de Autillo, quien casó con Lope Ruiz de Haro, el chico, II señor de La Guardia y de Bailén, hijo de Lope Díaz de Haro III, señor de Vizcaya y de Urraca de León.
IV. María Díaz de Haro, señora de Autillo, casó con Ruy Gil de Villalobos, señor de Villalobos.
[Aquí es
Dear Erik,
I have had A couple tweaks that I wanted to share with you but you haven’t responded to my emails.
One of the tweaks has to do with a family member of the Ruiz De Esparza family. You named Miguel Esparza in the family tree without the Ruiz surname. Miguel Ruiz De Esparza was related to Lope Ruiz de Esparzas ancestors. They come from the same Ruiz De Esparza family. I have not been able to identify the exact relationship, but Lope Ruiz de Esparza’s great great grandfather was a close cousin of Miguel Ruiz De Esparza.
The second tweak has to do with quote of yours of Mariano Gonzalez Leal. Mariano names an ancestor of ours from our Padilla family as having a surname slightly different than one that I have found in primary sources. I have not publicly identified this difference yet, but I explain the different surname in my book. This surname is not a common surname in Spain. I am still researching the history of this surname.
I believe that the father of Francisco de
Dear Rick:
I apologize for the late response, I wrote you about a week ago but is possible that is in the spam folder.
Regarding Rodrigo/Antonio de Mendoza, you are correct about being named also as Rodrigo. I have been trying to figure out his lineage without success, still, I think it is probable that the Mendoza line is related to a Francisco de Mendoza, Mayor of Tarifa and also related to Beatriz de Rivera y Mendoza, wife of Pedro Enríquez, Lord of Tarifa.
Best!
Erik
Hi Rick,
I forgot to mention this. There is something that could leads us to figure out which line of the Mendoza we belong to. In the coat of arms of the Reynoso Mendoza the quartier representing the Mendoza line has 5 panelas instead of the arrangement of the COA that we commonly know:
""Sobre verde vi Mendozas / Traer su sanguínea banda / Unos traen diez panelas / Los otros AVE MARIA", refiriendo a las ramas de los descendientes del marqués de Santillana y a los de Juan Hurtado de Mendoza "el limpio""
https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/depaz/mendoza/mescudos.htm
Here is the coat of arms in the Reinoso Mendoza palace:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Palacio_Reinoso_Men…
According to the study, the panelas could belong to the Almazán line of the Mendozas.
What do you think?
Best!
Erik
Dear Erik,
The Reynoso Mendoza have at least two lines of descent of Mendoza. It may be three as I see a strong possibility that one line of descent comes from a marriage of Mendoza cousins. If you look at the Escobar de Campos ancestral line that I posted you will see that for “4) Rui Fernandez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + hija de uno De los señores de Villagarcia” I did not list the name of the wife. I only wrote that she was “hija de los señores de Villagarcia”. The señores de Villagarcia during this time period are surnamed Mendoza and one of them has a wife that descends from a different branch of the Mendozas.
Here is the Escobar Line that shows that shows descent from the señores de Villagarcia, presumably the Mendozas:
1) Fernan Escobar, Señor De Escobar (1st to use the surname Escobar) + Sancha De Castañeda. Both came from a long line of nobility. Fernan had many family noble surnames to choose from but took as his surname the name of his new title.
2) Rui
Dear Eric,
There are a few reasons for the confusion of the ancestry of Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar. Before I get into the reasons, let me add that during his time period some people named Rodrigo were also called Rui, and their sons sometimes used both surnames Ruiz and Rodriguez. Our Rui/Rodrigo Rodríguez de Escobar, Señor de Campos, was also known as Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar because his father was named Alvar.
The first reason for the confusion:
The ancestry of Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos is being confused with the ancestry of his cousin also named Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar that lived in Trujillo. They both had a son named Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar aka Rui Rodríguez de Escobar.
The second reason is one that Salazar y Castro says that his mothers name is María mtz. Does the record really have mtz or is it Btz? I sometimes have a relatively easy time reading documents that I am researching. At other times I have a hard time trying to read the
Dear Rick:
I am convinced of what you say, rock solid. I will answer later to your very interesting comments! I have had problems accessing NR and I do not know how can I check my Private Messages (mea culpa). If it is not much of a bother, can you send me your address to this e-mail account: erik.reynoso@rvslaachen.de?
Best regards,
Erik
Dear Eric,
I sent you an email that shows Rui Alvarez Rodriguez De Escobar Señor de Escobar e Autillo De Campos’s ancestral lines from the following four kings.
Alphonso IX king of Leon
Sancho IV king of Castilla and Leon
Sancho I king of Portugal
Louis IX “the saint” King of France + Marguerite De Provence.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci
Source my book mygenes2000
Dear Erik,
There are two Conde Pedro Alvarez Osorios. Conde Pedro Alvarez Osorio Señor de Villalobos and his great grandfather Conde Pedro Alvarez Osorio Señor de Valderas that are mixed up and combined in secondary sources. Mixing up these two Conde Pedro Alvarez Osorios led to the confusion over the timeline. The second Conde Pedro Alvarez De Osorio even had a son that was also named Pedro Alvarez Osorio. This new information fills in the gap in the timeline that you suspected. This new information also leads to more connections to other ancestors of Los Altos De Jalisco (Los Altos De Villanueva, Nueva Galicia). I am still processing all his new information.
Rick A. Ricci
Source: book My Genes 2000
Dear Eric,
In an earlier post, I wrote “In my research I did have a different mother for Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar. I didn’t have her as Maria Martinez De Trujillo. I had his mother as Maria Beatriz Osorio De Villalobos. I do have the father as Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos. I have him as Señor de Escobar de Campos, and as Señor de Autillo de Campos. ”. I looked up my notes and also did more research into Salazar’s claim of a different mother. I believe that my original research notes are correct and I can explain why Salazar y Castro made his mistake as to the name of his mother. I also have many lines of ancestry of Rui Rodriguez De Escobar ( aka Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos i Autillo) that connect kings of Castilla, Leon, Portugal, and France. The royal connections did not stop with his ancestors. I have many royal connections to the spouses of his descendants. The Giron, Villalobos, and other Autillo families had
Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar and Maria Beatriz Osorio De Villalobos had a younger son named Diego Hernandez De Escobar who settled in Trujillo. Diego married Mencia de Cáceres y Solis and left a long line of descent in Trujillo, Extremadura. Diego is said to be the first of his family to settle there.
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Eric,
I should be, and am, thanking you for your kind words, generosity and encouragement. I am honored and extremely grateful for your offer of a signed copy of your book. Once I read your book, the thought of asking you for a signed copy did cross my mind because I found your book to be a treasure. One of the reasons that your book is an invaluable addition to my library is that it supports and builds on my work that shows that many of the founding families of Nueva Galicia were related before they came over to this side of the Atlantic Ocean. Some were second or third cousins, some of these connections are a century or two before coming over, and in some cases three or four centuries.
I have much respect for your research and am grateful that my comments regarding my notes having the mother of Rodrigo (Rui) Rodriguez De Escobar (aka Rodrigo Señor De Escobar as Maria Beatriz Osorio Villalobos were well received by you. I am not sure if this is the same Rui (Rodrigo) De
Congratulations on your book. Look forward to reading it.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Thank you Rick; I pray you find it interesting. I look forward to yours, I have been reading your posts giving us glimpses of what is to come and I am one person more of those that want to buy it as soon as it comes out. Please keep us updated.
Best regards,
Dear Erik,
I descend from Francisco Reynoso y Rico five times through three of my grandparents. In my records I had only gone as far back as his parents, so you can see why I am eagerly awaiting your book. In my own research I did find some information connecting the Reynoso’s to the Jewish conversó Herrera family that also comes to Nueva Galicia.
I have also done some research on your Palomar family as I researched the ancestors of Maria Cristina G Palomar y Verea who is a third cousin of your paternal grandmother Bertha Palomar y Aspe. I have done much of Cristina’s family tree for many generations except for her paternal grandmother Genevieve (Genoveva) Loriot who was born in Aug or Sep 1896-1898 in France. I only have Genevieve’s mother as R. Damremoat.
Maria Cristina G Palomar y Verea descends from the Palomar family through both her parents and is more closely related to you through her mother’s Palomar branch of the family. Have you thought about writing a book about
Dear Rick:
Thank you so much, I think there are some points about conversos that may also interest you in the book. The merchant Francisco de Reynoso Medina (who belonged to the line of Boadilla de Rioseco and had Villacorta as first last name) requested for his son Fernando de Reynoso Angulo the "hábito" of an order of knighthood however it never proceeded and he was made Alferez of Mexico City instead. I wondered why but a finding of the researcher Jorge Barba Gómez had the answer (Tribunal del Santo Oficio Lisboa, Proc. 7722 09.2.1629): it turns out that the sister of Francisco de Reynoso Medina, Beatriz de Reynoso who was born in 1569 in Viseu, Portugal was condemned as "cristiana nueva acusada de judaísmo" and was sent to jail with her husband Diogo Nunes Neto (2th September, 1626). Following her lineage it turns out that her mother, Luisa Clara de Medina who was born in Viseu may have been jewish.
About the Palomar family, yes, I would love to. Last year I contacted the Real
Dear Erik,
Instead of writing my book, I spent much time this summer researching what I had already discovered, looking for pieces to support, or disprove my previous work. I believe that I had a successful summer in that I made many many finds that supported my previous research.
I had felt that I did not make a “big new find” this summer, but there was a giant addition to my family tree thanks to you. The addition of your book to my library has been a wonderful surprise this summer. On second thought, your book was the “big new find” of this summer. I was able to connect your Reynoso research to many of the families that I have been researching in Spain.
Due to the time taken up by my work on other lines, I had not done much research on my Reynoso line. I have, however, done much research on the families that you connect the Reynoso’s to in your book. “Much research” on these families as I also connect them to some of my other ancestors like the Villaseñor, De Tovar, Ruiz De
Dear Rick:
First of all, thank you for your kind words, your generosity and encouragement. Please grant me something, I would like to send you a signed copy for you. I will write you in private to ask you for an address to send it.
I think your book will mark a milestone in genealogy, it is will be the result of hard work and perseverance. It will be a fine addition to anyone’s library.
I am glad that you brought the line of the Señores de Autillo, the mother of Rodrigo is given by Salazar y Castro and Pellicer de Tovar however their info should be taken with a pinch of salt. The last will of Isabel mentions her grandmother as Marta or María Martínez (without “de Trujillo”, that is a Salazar addition and he doesn’t mention where he got it). It strikes me as odd as they are not a family of the surrounding area as the Osorio de Villalobos that fit well with the families of Tierra de Campos. It is also worth considering that there is still a grey space between Inés Rodríguez de
Dear Members,
I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara. I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile. I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660. I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription. It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists! Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details. It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to how people are related that are not even in his direct line. He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living. Finally, he was extremely rich. He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo
Hola Sergio,
Great work! Here’s another document relative to don Francisco - the carta de dote of doña Juana de Avalos, which he submitted on 2 Feb 1660: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-X71J?cat=198356
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Dear Members,
As I mentioned before, I find it fascinating how much Francisco Rodríguez Ponce focused on how everyone was related, even when as far as we can tell they were not HIS relatives.
He names his father, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce (?-1643) and his mother Francisca de Rentería y Velasco (?-1661), as well as his paternal grandfather, Alonso Rodríguez Ponce (?-?). He also names his wife, Juana de Avalos y Bocanegra, and his in-laws, Diego de Bocanegra y Cervantes (?-), and the powerful and well-known María Verdugo y Avalos (?-before 1660). He finally mentions his six children, whom he names specifically, María Verdugo y Ponce, Juana de Avalos, Diego de Bocanegra, Joseph Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, Francisca Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, and Angela de Velasco. They are obviously named for several grandparents or great-grandparents of the same name.
He also names his uncle Miguel de Rentería Muxica, and his two sisters Catalina de Rentería y Ponce (married to Pedro de Vidarte Pardo)
Thank you so much for posting this! There is so many documents out there that are yet to be discovered!
Hello,
Dear Members,
I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara. I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile. I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660. I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription. It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists! Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details. It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to how people are related that are not even in his direct line. He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living. Finally, he was extremely rich. He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo
Con respecto a Sancho de Rentería, esposo que fue de Agueda del Rio, les anexo el testamento de la dicha Agueda.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13PY-L?i=199&cat=…
Hi all,
I just took another look at my file on Diego Rentería Mujica and I wrote a note that his parents are named in the meritos of the chantre Diego Flores de la Torre. I am not sure if I meant the one held at the Bancroft Special Collections at UCB or the one that was posted on another thread here, and available on PARES:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24573
I can check back through my poor quality photos of the Bancroft version and see if that's where I saw it. I have a vague memory that it was in a section where Diego was listing his relatives toward the end of the meritos. However, this only solves the problem in part, given the possibility Diego could have been mistaken. But at any rate, it is a relatively good bet that they were his parents.
Hope this helps for now, but will post again when I find more.
Richard
Richard,
Thank you so much for posting. This is a great lead as it helps confirm some of my prior research, but I hope you can still help clarify the mystery around the parents of Diego de Rentería. Would you please clarify where you found the parents of Diego Rentería Mujica, as I have not been able to find them. Let me explain. I have only been able to access the link you included (I have not been able to see the Bancroft Collection): http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24573
Reading the post I followed the Pares link:
Indiferente General/MERITOS: Diego Flores de la Torre
Fecha: 1674-7-16
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Diego Flores de la Torre, arcediano de la catedral de Guadalajara, hijo del licenciado Diego Pérez de la Torre, gobernador y capitán general de Nueva Galicia, y de Ángela de Velasco.
Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/23.15.195//INDIFERENTE,201,N.1
From the post, it seems genealogy starts on image 77 and from what I have been able to tell, there
Saludos Luis,
Thank you so much for sharing all of these other leads!
First, I went back to my images from the Bancroft microfilm, which seems to have much of the same things from the meritos on PARES but perhaps a bit extra. For example, it has a section where Diego Flores de la Torre presents "Los Quatro Grados de Parientes de este Linaje". I am not sure if I am permitted to post my images according to the agreement I signed many years ago with Berkeley special collections in order to take these images, but if you email me at richrocks92@gmail.com I will happily provide you with the three images that have the list of parientes.
The lists are very sparse and some inference is required to place descendants with their respective ancestors. Under tercer grado he lists simply "hijos de Sancho de Renteria", which is not incredibly helpful since it does not give their names. In the next generation - quarto grado - he lists "los hijos de la senora D. Catalina muger que fue de D. Pedro de
Richard,
I wanted to respond today to let you know that I have read your response. Thank you too for your notes! I will be working on a more meaningful response to your questions this weekend, but for now I wanted to post a few comments:
1) Although I acknowledge some of this is inference, I also agree with you in that it is likely that the "D. Nicolas Sarmiento" that you say is mentioned in the "Los Quatro Grados de Parientes de este Linaje" of the "Meritos of Diego Flores" is indeed the same Nicolas baptized in Guadalajara in 1620 (son of Diego de Renteria and Isabel Sarmiento). This is likely given that his Mother "Isabel Sarmiento" bears his surname. Agreed this is not conclusive at this point, but man, that's pretty darn close! If I recall correctly, there is another Nicolás which would be of the same 4th Generation, but I don't believe he is associated with the Sarmientos. I will check my notes.
2) Regarding your question about Inquisition Links, I don't know if you were
Luis you wrote:
"Publicación: Desfaciendo entuertos: las hijas del conquistador Pedro Pacho, Autor: Francisco Javier Castaños y Cañedo - En la Página 325 aparece que Angela de Velasco, CC Sancho de Rentería, tuvieron una hija llamada Francisca de Rentería CC General Don Francisco Rodríuez Ponce. Dice al pie de página (página 326), "Sancho de Rentería, el Mozo"" nacido hacia 1560, era hermano de Don Juan, OBISPO DE CACERES, en Filipinas. (Dato del P. Treviño, S.J.). P. 330 de esta obra incluye algunas fuentes documentales. Quizás valga la pena seguir estas fuentes para ver si arrojan más pistas"
Do you know the name of the book he was refering to??: "P. Treviño, S.J."
thank you
sus
Hello Sus and Forum Members,
I am also investigating this family line and I wanted to ask you and others in this Forum if you have any luck finding additional information on Sancho de Rentería Married to Ángela de Velasco. I am trying to find evidence that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco. So far, I have found several references in family trees and publications on the internet where they show that this is the case, but none offer a source. If anyone in this group can share a source that shows that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco, I would really appreciate it. If you don't have the source but could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful as well.
I wanted to share a link, that may be useful to you Sus. It is regarding a "Limpieza de Sangre" for Juan de Rentería, the father of Sancho de Rentería. These
Dear Luis,
I was wondering if you were able to find any documentation to link Diego with his supposed parents? I am also looking into some lines descending from him and would love to be able to verify if they are indeed his parents.
Thank in advance,
Jorge
Jorge,
I'm sorry, I haven't made much progress on documentary evidence of Diego's parents. I hit a brick wall on this several months ago and was hoping this group could help. I am still hopeful someone in this group could help with some clues. For now, I'm still looking and if you are also looking, perhaps we can post weekly or monthly updates regularly, whether we have found anything or not. Would you like to share where you have searched so far or if you have any leads? I'd be happy to share my thoughts as well.
Respectful shout out to this group to see if anyone has any documentary evidence that the parents of Diego de Renteria Mujica were Angela de Velasco and Sancho de Rentería. Thank you all.
Regards,
Luis
Veo que hay mucha especulación sobre si Diego de Rentería, marido de Isabel Sarmiento, es hijo de Sancho de Rentería y Ángela Flores de Velasco. Tengo varias consideraciones que hacer al respecto:
1) El Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, en su documento resguardado en The Bancroft, dice que:
“El sobredicho Diego Flores de la Torre (no confundir con el Chantre, es su abuelo) y doña Ángela tuvieron otra hija llamada Ángela, casó con Sancho de Rentería, criollo de las minas de Guachinango, hermano del Ilustrísimo don Juan de Rentería, que fue obispo de Cáceres en Filipinas; por ser yo sobrino de su hermano, me tuvo en su casa y mesa en México, y por este beneficio lo tengo retratado en mi casa. Sancho de Rentería tuvo tres hijos: Sancho, casado con Águeda del Río, tuvieron una hija, doña Ángela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre, gente noble y principal; el otro hijo, Diego de Rentería, casó con doña Emerenciana, hermana de Isabel, la sobredicha arriba mujer de Diego Flores; tuvieron
Veo que hay mucha especulación sobre si Diego de Rentería, marido de Isabel Sarmiento, es hijo de Sancho de Rentería y Ángela Flores de Velasco. Tengo varias consideraciones que hacer al respecto:
1) El Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, en su documento resguardado en The Bancroft, dice que:
“El sobredicho Diego Flores de la Torre (no confundir con el Chantre, es su abuelo) y doña Ángela tuvieron otra hija llamada Ángela, casó con Sancho de Rentería, criollo de las minas de Guachinango, hermano del Ilustrísimo don Juan de Rentería, que fue obispo de Cáceres en Filipinas; por ser yo sobrino de su hermano, me tuvo en su casa y mesa en México, y por este beneficio lo tengo retratado en mi casa. Sancho de Rentería tuvo tres hijos: Sancho, casado con Águeda del Río, tuvieron una hija, doña Ángela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre, gente noble y principal; el otro hijo, Diego de Rentería, casó con doña Emerenciana, hermana de Isabel, la sobredicha arriba mujer de Diego Flores; tuvieron
I have four people named Sancho De Rentería that lived in the 1500’s and early 1600’s in Nueva Galicia.
The Sancho Rentería that is the son of Juan Renteria and Juana Pereira is not my ancestor.
The other three “Sancho De Rentería” listed here are my ancestors.
1). Sancho de Rentería is the son, or son=in -law, of : Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. “ I do not have a wife for this Sancho. Sancho’s son:
2).Sancho de Rentería Mujica (Moxica, Mohica) and Angela Velasco (De la Torre). I Repeat the fact that this Sancho has grandparents named Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. [It is unknown to me whether they are his paternal or maternal grandparents.]. Sancho and Angela’s son:
3)Capitán Sancho de Rentería y Velasco and Águeda Del Río y Losa (Águeda descends from both Gines Vasquez De Mercado who is honored every year in Spain for his generosity
Hello,
According to several trees online Capitan Sancho de Renteria cc Agueda del Rio de la Loza is the son of Sancho de Renteria cc Angela Velasco.
The problem is that I can't find any source to make this connection. Does anyone know how to link these two Sanchos?
I have now some informacion about Sancho de Renteria father (cc Angela Velasco), but first I need to make the connection with the son.
thanks
sus
I've never seen a direct source for this either, but Sancho and Agueda had a daughter named Angela de Velasco cc Juan del Campo de la Torre. Their daughter (my ancestor) Juana de la Torre cc Miguel de Olague uses most of the surnames from the female sides of her family - Gamboa, del Rio, Mojica, and Velasco.
I don't have the link to Agueda del Rio's will, but if you haven't seen it she names her daughter there
~ Andrea
Thank you so much Andrea for the information.
Do you know if there is any documentation linking Sancho de Renteria (cc Agueda del Rio ) to any of the sisters?
Thanks
susana
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this is the part of her will written in 1655 that mentions her children and grandchildren
declaro que fui casada con el Capitán Sancho de Rentería, y
durante nuestro matrimonio tuvimos y procreamos por nuestros hijos a
doña Ángela del Río y Velasco, y a doña Josefa del Río y a Sancho de
Rentería. Y la dicha Josefa mi hija y Sancho, mi hijo, murieron en su
tierna edad. Y también declaró que yo casé a mi hija doña Ángela de
Velasco con el Capitán Juan del Campo y de la Torre, a la cual di y
entregue toda la parte que legitima que le pudor caber por herencia
paterna con muchos más bienes que yo tenía, destituyéndome de todo
para que lo gozase como bienes propios y dados con todo amor y
voluntad. Y del matrimonio de dichos mis hijos que son ya difuntos,
hubieron y procrearon por sus hijos legítimos a mis nietos doña
Juana de Velasco, a Manuel de la Torre y a Juan de la Torre, que hoy
están en mi poder(Foja: 1 vuelta) y compañía como mis nietos y como
mis menores como soy su tutora y
.
Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, Jal. Copia obtenida por don
Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, quien tuvo a bien facilitar copia a los
genealogistas Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada y Leonardo de la Torre y
Berumen. y Leonardo me regalo esta copia
Shared by Salvador Cabral
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Last will and testament of Dona Agueda del Rio y Losa
Source: 169025 film sagrada mitra 1615-1670
Page 200 Familysearch online
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declaro que fui casada con el Capitán Sancho de Rentería, y
durante nuestro matrimonio tuvimos y procreamos por nuestros hijos a
doña Ángela del Río y Velasco, y a doña Josefa del Río y a Sancho de
Rentería. Y la dicha Josefa mi hija y Sancho, mi hijo, murieron en su
tierna edad. Y también declaró que yo casé a mi hija doña Ángela de
Velasco con el Capitán Juan del Campo y de la Torre, a la cual di y
entregue toda la parte que legitima que le pudor caber por herencia
paterna con muchos más bienes que yo tenía, destituyéndome de todo
para que lo gozase como bienes propios y dados con todo
So yeah, with the Chantre document in the Bancroft, the Agueda will and the inquisition process against Diego it's confirmed that:
Angela de Velasco and Diego Flores de la Torre are the parents of Angela Velasco who married Sancho de Renteria (son of the Sancho who was a witness in Diego's process) and they in turn are parents of the third Sancho who married Agueda del Rio. (Then there's a fourth Sancho de Renteria and maybe also a fifth, but I personally haven't studied them yet.)
inoeys:
Thank you for this information. Is there any link online where I can consult this Bancroft document where it says that
Diego Flores y D. Angela tuvieron otra hija llamada Doña Angela, casó con Sancho de Renteria, criollo de las minas de Guachinango y hermano del ilustrísimo D. Juan de Rentería fue obispo de Caseres en Filipinas (…) Sancho de Renteria tuvo tres hijos. Sancho casó en el Fresnillo con D. Agueda del Rio tuvieron una hija Da. Angela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre gente noble y principal.
Thank you again.
The "méritos of Diego Flores de la Torre" in the Spanish Archives (PARES) has the passage below:
Doña Ángela, ésta se casó con Sancho de Rentería, hermano del señor obispo don Juan de Rentería, ambos criollos de esta ciudad [de Guadalajara].
“MÉRITOS: Diego Flores de La Torre.” 2021. PARES. 2021. http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/2667780?nm, imagen 102 de 144.
For all those who have been looking for the paper that confirms that Sancho and Angela are the parents of the Sancho who married Agueda del Rio" and also of Diego de Rentería, here's this excerpt from the document in the Bancroft collection:
“Diego Flores y D. Angela tuvieron otra hija llamada Doña Angela, casó con Sancho de Renteria, criollo de las minas de Guachinango y hermano del ilustrísimo D. Juan de Rentería fue obispo de Caseres en Filipinas (…) Sancho de Renteria tuvo tres hijos. Sancho casó en el Fresnillo con D. Agueda del Rio tuvieron una hija Da. Angela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre gente noble y principal. El otro hijo Diego de Rentería casó con Da. Emerenciana(?) hermana de Da. Isabel (...). Sancho de Renteria tuvo otro hijo Miguel (...)”
Hi Sus,
I was tracking Francisca de Renteria, hija de Sancho Renteria Mojica cc Angela de Velasco, since I have an ancestor with that same name, and I wanted to see if there was any connection. Here’s Francisca’s burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJ99-VV?i=114&wc=3JW2-…
Her sister was Maria de Renteria cc Francisco Palomino Rendon Narvaez. I have the Renteria’s originating in Lepe, Huelva, Spain, though I don’t know where I got that.
Here’s a link to the protocolos de Guadalajara.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Ba…
Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Hi Sus and Manny,
I can't be of much help, but I have also been looking into this family. I have seen a few different sources that might offer some clues. First, I think that there were at least 3 Sancho Renterias living in Nueva Galicia in the 16th century. There is one who is the son of Juan de Renteria, alcalde mayor of Zacatecas cc. Elvira de Pereira y Rivera, who died as a child in 1565. Second there is Sancho de Renteria the alcalde mayor of Mexticacan who was born around 1534. Third, is the Sancho de Rentería Mujica who was teniente de alcalde in Juchipila cc. Angela de Velasco Flores de la Torre and son of the previous Sancho.
The three separate Sancho's are clarified most by information in the book La Inquisición en la Nueva Galicia, specifically in two separate trials. If you search Renteria you will find the relevant sections: https://archive.org/stream/lainquisicionenl00vill/lainquisicionenl00vil…
In the trial for Diego Flores de la Torre a witness is Sancho de
I descend from Sancho de Renteria the alcalde mayor Mexticacan. I have him in my records as the son of Hernando de Moxica, the contador of Guadalajara. I don’t have a source added to the information so I don’t know where this information came from. I would appreciate any additional information that you can provide on him. I don’t have Hernando Moxica’s wife or Sancho’s mother listed in my records
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
I descend from Sancho de Renteria through his daughter Francisca de Renteria and her husband, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce. While I don't have Sancho's parents, I do have some documents pertaining to some of his grand-children and such:
Daniel Serna Valencia
Hi Richard,
Thank you so much for the explanation about "all" the sanchos. And the links for the books where I can find more information. If I come up with any other information, I will provide it.
Thank you again
sus
Hi Manny,
Thank you so much for the information. I'm going to look at the links. Please keep me inform if you come up with any other info about the elusive "Sancho de Renteria"
saludos
sus
I found the answer here: https://www.ayto-torrejon.es/sites/default/files/intranet/MiPaginaDesca…
I thought this was an interesting video with regard to the Jewish Origins of 3 families who were originally from Spain and later migrated to Mexico. The Jewish origins of the Pacho, Alcocer, and Vera families, some of their decendants are later found in Jalisco. See video (18 minutes).
Thank you so much for that video link! So interesting for me, especially because I am a descendant of all three of these families!
Link to the video: Mexican Genealogy: Jewish Origin of Three Families in Jalisco
This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin.
Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?
While “Bautista” can be a surname, it is also a proper name. I remember my father had a cousin with that name in his hometown: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bautista_(nombre)
I hope that helps!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
I appreciate your explanation! I learned something new :)
-Laura
If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…
That’s an interesting clue.
On some records, Francisca de Islas, daughter of Juan de Islas Sandoval cc Juana de Rivera, and wife of Juan Lopez de Lizardi, was called Francisca de la Asencion (baptisms of sons Juan de Dios and Cayetano).
Good eye! Thanks for sharing!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Yes, it matches now with the 14 year old Domingo Mejia. I just dismissed him as a possible padrino because of his age and assumed it was more likely the ~40 year old Domingo Mejia. Thanks
Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:
https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.
Hope you might find something useful.
Regards,
Thank you for sharing. You have some lovely photos in your tree! I love black and white pictures!
Laura
Dear Members,
I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.
The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.
I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he
Mr. Sales,
I agree with you that this marriage record fits the time line of the Araiza Y Medina Line. Great information from it!!
The marriage does indicate that Hernando Arayze and Maria Guzman are "Vecinos" of the city . Juan De Araiza's Testament says they were Vecinos of Zacatecas .(probably later)
In the past, we did talk about the 1739 ordination investigation of Gabriel Araiza in comparison to the 1664 Testament of Juan De Araiza Y Medina. The will stating they are "Vecinos" of Zacatecas, and the Investigation stating that Juan De Araiza Y Medina was born in "Un Lugar en La Vizcay en los Reinos de Castilla".
Could the ordination investigation be wrong? Could it be possible that Juan de Araiza already have been born at the time of the marriage in 1592?
Also noted in the marriage is a 'Joan De Medina" , I wonder what relation this person had to Hernando and could this person be the contributor to the Araiza Y Medina surname?
Great Stuff!!!
La información que dice que nació en 1707 es incorrecta. Según su información matrimonial, Pedro Nolasco tenía unos 25 años cuando se casó en 1738, por lo que nació hacia el 1713. Dice que nació en la estancia de Salitrillo, que estaba en Sierra de Pinos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JR1C-V?i=65&wc=3JHB-4WG
Si es tu antepasado, entonces somos primos, ya que su madre era hija de mis antepasados directos, Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y doña Juana de Alderete.
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
¿Has revisado la página de Sebatián en sito "Family Search"? (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GW1J-SL4) Tal vez haya algunos errores pero este es un buen página para comenzar a revisar documentos. Mira la sección de "Sources." Parece que ya se ha trabajado mucho en esta página. Hay documentos que informan que Sebastian es hijo de Juan Macias Valdez y Juana Dominguez. Sebastian se casó con Juana en 1710. El documento de defunción de Pedro Nolasco estima que nació en 1717 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684Y-WH3C).
Y lo siento otra vez que mi español es tan terrible :/
Es hijo de Juan Macías cc Juana Hernández Gamiño y Gómez Espejo y Domínguez. Aquí su IM:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCF9-WZL?i=347&wc=M6QX…
Y de Juana: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JC5P-1?i=72&wc=SSL3-168
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
En la información que me envías se indica matrimonio en 1710, mas sin embargo yo encontre que su hijo Pedro Nolasco Macias Valadez y de Gonzaliez Hermosillo nace en 1707, tendras otra informacion al respecto? muchas gracias
Lo siento porque español es mi segunda lengua pero... es posible que haya estado casado dos veces? Tal vez la primera esposa murió y él se volvió a casar? Si puede encontrar el registro de la boda, el documento a menudo dice si el señor es un viudo y indicará el nobre de la esposa fallecida. Si necesitas ayuda con los registros, por favor dígame el fecha de nacimiento de Sebastian y los nobres de los padres y de las dos esposas y yo puedo revisarlos.
My maternal line has stopped with a woman named Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi, married to Jose Juarez Delgadillo, my 9th great-grandparents. I don’t have an information on their births or marriage, my guess is that they are located in/around Cuquío, Jalisco.
I have arrived to her through my 8th great-grandmother Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, but I have little information for her.
I do have the marriage of Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, and Juan Manuel Delgado Pacheco (son of Francisco Delgado Lopez and Rosa Maria Pacheco Nuñez) on 5 June 1724, although much is lost to the large decay on the pages: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4YV-9?i=132
I want to continue with research into my maternal line, but in order to do that, I need to find more information on the life of Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi. If anyone has information or familiarity of anything “Carrillo de Sandi”, or anyone who also has her in their tree, I would very much appreciate it!
Hola Bobby,
Joseph Juarez was baptized 2 Feb 1680 in Nochistlan, he was son of Diego Juarez and Tomasa Delgadillo: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1VY-R?i=400&wc=3P98-J…
You can find more info about them here, including a link to a dispensation verifying that Joseph Juarez was the same who married Nicolasa Carrillo: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ju%C3%A1rez-56
It’s possible that Nicolasa Carrillo was also from Nochistlan, there were various branches of the Carrillo de Sandi living in that area. But I see no record of Joseph and Nicolasa marrying there. There were various branches of the Carrillo de Sandi in Teocaltiche and a couple in Aguascalientes, so check those communities, too. If they married in Teocaltiche, then you’ll be out of luck, since the marriage books are missing for the years they would’ve married.
Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Hello Everyone,
My name is Laura Villa and I am oringinally from Los Angeles County, California. My grandparents families come from Zacatecas. I have been working on gathering information, documents, and photos for over 15 years for our tree. I would be happy to share any information I have, and I would also love to connect with any relatives!
My grandfather was Manuel Jesus VILLA who spent most of his life in California. His parents were Margarito VILLA (born in 1881 in Juchipila son of Bruno Villa and Bernarda Perez) and his wife Maria ORTIZ (born in 1886 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter of Calixto Ortiz and Virginia Lara). Margarito and his wife moved back and forth between Mexico and California.
My grandmother was Soledad CASILLAS who was born in Nochistlan. Her parents were not married. They were Isidoro CASILLAS (born 1892 in Nochistlan, son of Severo Casillas Borroel and Daria Teran Tolentino) and Eusebia SOLIS (born 1895 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter or Bernabe Solis and Maximiana "Maxima
Hola a todos los genealogistas:
En mis búsquedas encontré que desciendo de Nicolás de Murguía y de María Infante de Villegas, quienes fueron padres en Santa María de Los Lagos de:
1688 María
Hello Peredo,
All very good information and thank you for sharing! Would you happen to have a FS link to the baptism for Guadalupe, daughter of Guillermo Plancarte and Ana Hernandez? I've also been researching the Plancartes/Blancartes for quite a few years. I only have the baptism for their daughter Isabel. One other question, how do you know that this same Guadalupe was the wife of Alvaro Yanez Garcia? I have yet to find out the name of the wife of Alvaro Yanez Garcia. All the records I've seen, in the Tierras, the archives of "Casa de Morelos", etc. never mention his wife's name.
Thank You,
Daniel Serna Valencia
My wife descends from Nicolas de Murguia,(Munguia) Sr. and Ana de Liebana (m.Tangantzicuaro on 24 Jan 1660)
Nicolas de Murguia, Sr. and Ana de Liebana are the parents of Josepha de Liebana y Munguia who married Clemente Hernandez Gamino
Clemente Hernandez Gamino and Josepha Liebana Munguia are the parents of Miguel Hernandez Gamino who married Maria Manuel Maciel y Valdez
Miguel Hernandez Gamino and Maria Manuel Maciel y Valdez are the parents of Juan Ygnacio Hernandez Gamino who married Juana Catarina Magaña.
Juan Ygnacio Hernandez Gamino and Juana Catarina Magaña are the parents of AgustinHernandez Gamino who married Maria Josefa Llamas.
Rick A. Ricci
These are IMs for children of Alvaro Maciel and Ysabel de Orozco:
IM of Geronimo Rodriguez Morfin cc Ysabel de Orozco. Of interest: Alvaro Maciel is referred to as “Alvaro Yañez Maciel.”
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KLSM-68?mode=g&i=25&wc=3NT…
IM Alvaro Maciel cc Maria de Peña y Betancurt
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG94-ZP?mode=g&i=832&wc=3N…
IM Blas Cepeda y Castro cc Luisa de Oballe
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG9K-WN?mode=g&i=42&wc=3NT…
IM Francisco Gomez de Lara cc Juana de Liebana
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSY-ZN?mode=g&i=693&wc=3N…
This is the 24 Jan 1660 IM for Nicolas Murguia cc Ana de Liebana, daughter of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana. Unfortunately, it does not name his parents:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG9H-5F?mode=g&i=618&wc=3N…
I also have IMs for several children of Gregorio Bejar cc
That she is daughter of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana is established when her son, Gregorio de Bajar, was testigo on the IM of Juana de Liebana, daughter of Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco, on which he identifies Juana as his cousin, and Alvaro Maciel as his uncle.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSY-ZN?mode=g&i=693&wc=3N…
Gregorio de Bejar (El Viejo) also identified himself as an uncle of Ysabel de Orozco, when a testigo on her IM.
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Hola primos,
Aqui las IMes:
Juan de Bejar Liebana cc Gertrudis Jimenez Palomino de Lupiana
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5VS2-K3?i=365&wc=3NYH-SPD
Gregorio de Bejar Liebana cc Juana Jimenez Palomino Lupiana
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG9W-RV?mode=g&i=912&wc=3N…
Francisco de Bejar Liebana cc Juana de Vera
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG39-1H?mode=g&i=1262&wc=3…
Cristobal Bejar Liebana cc Juana Bejines Romero
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KPW8-P?i=437&wc=3NTN-VZ9
Magdalena de Bejar Liebana cc Pedro Bardo de Quiros Gaitan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG3M-KD?mode=g&i=643&wc=3N…
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
En mis líneas tengo a Marcos Joseph González de Murguía cc María Ana Macias Valades. Se casaron el 1 jun 1721, Asunción de María, Ags. Su IM está perdida, así que no tengo la ascendencia de él. Ella es hija de Joseph Macias de Ayala y su segunda esposa, María Alvarez (Magdaleno).
Eran dueños de Saus de Santa Ynés en Aguascalientes, que ella podría haber heredado, ya que es una antigua propiedad de los Macias. Después de su muerte, Santa Ynes fue dividido entre sus 7 hijos.
Dos de sus hijos usaban "González Murguía" como apellido compuesto, aunque es posible que son los apellidos de los padres de Marcos Joseph.
Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Hola a todos:
Hace tiempo, buscando ciertos apellidos flamencos leí algo sobre el apellido Plancarte, no lo anoté porque no está entre los apellidos que investigo, por lo tanto no creo tener la fuente.
Según recuerdo el apellido procede de Flandes como Plankart, era el apellido de un asesor del rey Carlos I de España y V de Alemania. Dicho asesor pasó a España en donde el apellido tomó la forma de Plancarte.
Saludos
Marcelina
Hola otra vez:
Hay una investigación sobre familias sefarditas en Cotija, Michoacán, se puede leer en:
www.cambiodemichoacan.com.mx/nota-218964
En éste caso aparece en la lista la familia Maciel. Según recuerdo el apellido Palomino es también de origen judío y se relaciona con la descendencia en la Nueva España de los Flores de la Caballería.
Saludos
Marcelina
Hola a todos:
Al abrir este debate les comenté que sospechaba que los padres de Nicolás de Murguía pudieran ser Hernando de Munguía e Isabel de Velasco, de Tamazula de Gordiano.
Ésta hipótesis queda confirmada. Di con un Diccionario Biográfico Vasco que se puede consultar en línea, en el que se recopilaron las informaciones de méritos y servicios diversos emigrantes de apellido vasco a todos los virreinatos.
El Número 1208 se refiere Hernando de Murguía hijo de Fernando de Murguía e Isabel de Velasco que vino a ser Juez Eclesiástico de Tinguindin, Michoacan y vecino de Zapotlán.
Por lo tanto la familia utilizó ambas ortografías y es muy probable que Nicolás haya sido hermano de Hernando II.
Ésta información no la pude localizar en el portal Pares, pero los que elaboraron el Diccionario dicen haberse basado en un índice general y haber visto los documentos. En fin, ya tenemos tela de dónde cortar.
Saludos a todos
Marcelina
Hello primos!
I had not researched any lines in quite some time but in recent days I did some research about the Plancartes-Blsncartes-Maciel and I think I just got it right. It's a little bit confusing because several names are repeated in different generations, for instance: Isabel del Castillo, Álvaro Maciel, Juan Asencio de León, Gerónima de Liébana...
In this case I'll go from the first documented Plancarte through to his descendant Juan Maciel Yáñez Plancarte who married Ana García de Liébana ca 1595.
Guillermo Plancarte arrived to New Spain in 1526 and there are some records about him in Valladolid around 1541 and also in Colima.
He married Ana Hernández or Dominguez around 1536 and there are at least three documented children:
Guadalupe b apr-1-1538 CdMx
Isabel b may-3-1543 CdMx
Pedro b1555 Valladolid
Guadalupe married ca 1562 Álvaro Maciel Yáñez García died before jan-24-1600 when his son Juan Maciel Yáñez Plancarte sells some lands that 83 years later would bring a lawsuit.
Juan
María de Liébana who married ca 1630 Gregorio de Bejar was the daughter of Isabel del Castillo Orozco Liébana and Juan de Zamora (I), therefore sister of Juan de Zamora (II) and of Isabel del Castillo Orozco (II)
The son of Juan Carlos Munguia And Maria Antonia Theresa Coria y Villaseñor shows his mother's surname as Coria Villaseñor when he marries. This provides more evidence that she is the daughter of Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor.
I believe that Juan Carlos Munguia and Maria Antonia Theresa Coria-Peralta Villaseñor were also related through their Villaseñor lines so there may be a record of dispensation for their marriage. The record may be in Michoacan or Jalisco.
Merry Christmas everyone,
Rick A. Ricci
Name Carlos Yldephonso De La Trinidad Munguia Coria
Gender Male
Christening Date 31 Jan 1751
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,TAMAZULA DE GORDIANO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Carlos Munguia
Mother's Name Antta. Theresa De Coria
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV9V-X4C : 12 December 2014), Carlos Yldephonso De La Trinidad Munguia Coria, 31 Jan 1751; citing SAN FRANCISCO,TAMAZULA DE
Hello, Fellow Genealogists. I've been away for a few weeks and just now saw the comments re Murguia. I dedicated a lot of time on this line and having exhausted my resources I put it aside. Then about four years ago I revisited my research and added a few ideas. These Murguia are a challenge, but hopefully with more of us on the trail we can break through.
The following is a brief paper I had prepared for my file. It has the gist of my Murguia research as I tried to connect them to the Ontiveros. I just did a cut-and-paste:
I am trying to identify my Murguia ancestors, whom I have traced from Lagos back to Tangantzicuaro and Guadalajara. I think my earliest Murguia were involved with the Ontivero family. Here is what I have found on them to date:
1. My ancestor Joseph Murguia married Maria Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano in 15 Sep 1722. His father Nicolas de Murguia, Jr., b. ca.1665, (son of Nicolas de Murguia, Sr., b. ca.1640, and Ana de Liebana, b. 16 Jul 1640 Chilchota)
Some of the Murguia family members that I researched had the surname Murguia- Maciel, The Maciel surname is connected to the Blancarte (Plancarte) surname.
Dear Mary Lou,
I had recently done research on this family in response to this thread, but I made a mistake in not looking at my previous records from years ago. When you posted your information on the Murguia family I recognized a couple of my ancestors. Those ancestors also used the surname Maciel Plancarte instead of just Blancarte. I went to my previous research and found work that I had done many years ago for a cousin, whose father has some ancestors that used the surname Munguia. It turns out that I had already researched Carlos Munguia and Ma. Anita. Theresa Coria a long time ago. Back then I had focused on some of their descendants. When I had done this research I had only looked for the surname " Munguia" as I had not known that some branches also used "Murguia."
Carlos Juan Munguia Maciel and Ma. Anita.Theresa
Dear Mary Lou,
Your post led me to revisit many old records that I had researched many, many years ago. These old pieces of the puzzle had been at the bottom of a box and forgotten. I pulled them out and added them to other pieces of the Ruis de Velasco Haro family tree puzzle. If you hadn't posted your information I wouldn't of looked into the old research. The Ruiz de Velasco puzzle now has many pieces that fit together.
Thank you very much,
Rick
Marcelina,
No todo los casos que se modificaban los apellidos sino era como el cura notaba el apellido. Munguía y Murguía es tradicionalmente aceptado como la misma familia en la provincia de Avalos. Sin duda son dos casas distintas en la península; Munguía siendo originaria de Castilla y Murguía del País Vasco.
No se sabe quienes fueron los padres de D. Nicolás de Munguía, marido de Da. María Infante de Villegas, pero si los tengo en mi archivo familiar ya que una hija suya Da. Cecilia de Munguía y Villegas casó D. Manuel de Aranda Puelles, Señor Divisero del Solar de Puelles. Un chozno de esta pareja, D. Crescencio de Aranda Puelles y Villalobos casó a Da. Josefa de Camino y Valle Menín Velarde, miembro de mi casa materna.
Su hipótesis sobre los Munguía de Tamazula de Gordiano y Zapotlán puede ser una posibilidad.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Gracias Danny y gracias Daniel:
De momento seguimos desconociendo quienes eran los padres de Nicolás de Murguía.
He estado leyendo sobre el Mayorazgo de Murguía del País Vasco, sin embargo las infomaciones se concentran en la descendencia que pasó al Perú.
Hubo un Alejo de Murguía que pasó a Nueva España en el siglo XVI con varios privilegios y fue nombrado juez repartidor en la minas de Zimapán, pero hasta ahora no he podido relacionarlo con los Murguía de Santa María de los Lagos.
Reciban saludos y mis mejores deseos.
Marcelina
my gr-grandmother was Maria Merced Munguia born 1850 married to Longinos Gutierrez in Tamazula, Jalisco. I have only been able to take her line back 5 generations to Juan Carlos Munguia abt 1715 and Teresa(Maria Antonia) Coria also in Tamazula.
I have found that the Murguia line is a separate line in Tamazula.
Linda Castanon-Long
In the marriage record of Carlos Munguia and Thereza de Coria the witnesses are Bonifacio Ochoa and Juana Manuela Diaz. The godparents are Antonio Villaseñor and Ana Munguia.
I believe that the groom and bride are related to their witnesses and godparents. Bonifacio Ochoa's son's mother in law is Maria Coria Villaseñor. She is the daughter of Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor. Bonifacio's second wife is Maria Gertrudis Coria Peralta y Villaseñor, daughter of Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor.
I believe that Matias Coria and Maria Antonia Tereza Coria may be brother and sister. They married within three months of each other and their marriage records are written on the same page. Carlos Munguia and Tereza Coria were married on the 15th of November. Mathias Coria and Maria Theresa de Jesus Galindo married the 24th of August of the same year. Mathias Coria is the son of Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor.
For more on these
Nicolas De Murguia 2Z3Y-GXT
06 Mar 1628 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico–Deceased
Creo que este es el dia de nacimiento(bautizo) ya que se caso y tuvo hijos despues de este dia asi que no puede ser dia que fallecio.
Busque el casimiento que seguro pudo ser entre 1680-87 pero los archivos del ano 1685-87 faltan. Otro detalle notable es que tuvo los hijos con Maria Ynfante Villegas ninguna dice Maria Gonzales mas que el de Pedro nacido 1725 que seguramente no es de ellos. Otro detalle es que el hermano diego dias Ynfante caso con villegas y tuvo a maria Ynfante villegas que se caso 1678 con alonso. O puede ser que hay dos Marias en la familia (usan los nombres solano, dias, gonzales, villegas y otros nombres) pero una use el nombre gonzales y la otra Ynfante. Lo ultimo es que si Nicolas nacio en 1628 puede ser que estuvo casado antes.
Cambiando temas: en el libro Estudios Michoacanos VII por Francisco Meyer en la pagina 113 menciona el nombre de Diego de Avalos de Velazco y Munguia
Gracias Simone por la fecha de nacimiento, pero creo que no se sabe el nombre de sus padres. Tienes razón, cambiaban los apellidos.
En Familysearch aparece una familia Murguía en Chilchota Michoacán en el siglo XVII. Pero hasta ahora no es seguro que descienda de ellos, ya que existe la otra posibilidad de que descienda de la rama de Zacatecas.
Saludos
Marcelina
Marcelina,
I have a luis de los reyes and his parents are Luis Murguia and maria de la cruz.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_los_Reyes-28
Danny C. Alonso
Seeking any assistance or information on Pedro Jose Montellano or Son Jose Maria Montellano either from Zacatecas or Ojuelos Jalisco, I found information related to Los Pinos or Magueyes Zac. however very limited.
Information I found in Ojuelos Jalisco, Montellano is spelled as Monteyano or Montejano, which could be a typo or possibly how it was spelled during that era.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
I don’t think Pedro Montellano, who was married to Ana Maria de los Santos Castorena, and Pedro Montejano Argote, who married Guadalupe Cirila Camarillo, are the same person. For one thing, though similar, the surnames are different and have different origins.
For them to be the same person, he’d have to have been married first to Ana Maria de los Santos, before 1786, when their daughter Gertrudis was born; according to his marriage information, Pedro Montejano Argote was born around 1780 on Rancho del Maguey and had been living on Rancho de la Jaula, both in the jurisdiction of Pinos. He was 17 and had never been married, nor had he lived anywhere else. So he couldn’t have been the same person who was married to Ana Maria de los Santos. Also, according to their marriage records, Pedro Montellano’s children were mestizos, and their mother, Ana Maria de los Santos, was spanish (white), so Pedro was mixed race, for his children to be mestizos. Pedro Montejano Argote was spanish.
So, I don
Buenos Dias!
I do agree with your observations, I was not completely convinced that Montejano was linked however 2nd set of eyes is confirming not to be.
I'll take your advice and hopefully find other leads with Pedro Montellano in the Guanajuato archives.
I appreciate your knowledge and time with this!
When did your Pedro Jose and Jose Maria live, and who were they married to? I haven’t seen Montellano nor Monteyano in Pinos nor Ojuelos, but I have seen Montejano. Most of the families with that surname living in Pinos during the 1700’s descend from Phelipe Antonio Ramirez Montejano and Paula Francisca Lopez de Avila, who petitioned marriage on 24 Jun 1729 in Pinos. He was born in Mexico City around 1705, son of Antonio Ramirez Montejano and Juana de Torres, and she was daughter of Juan de Avila and Juana de Trujillo. They had about 7 children, born between 1730 and 1750, who ended up living in Pinos, Ojuelos and in San Felipe, Gto. This family originally used the compound surname Ramirez Montejano, but most of their children dropped the “Ramirez” and went with “Montejano.”
I hope you find this useful!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Gracias for your swift response,
According to the information I gathered, Pedro Jose Montellano "Argote" was married to Ana-Maria De Los Santos Castorena OR Guadalupe Cirila Cmarrillo in Los Pinos in 1797. However lived or spent time in Ojocaliente, Veta Grande, Guadalupe Zacatecas?
Simon Montellano (son of Pedro) (DOB 1792) married to Bruna Perea Perez (1812) in Palmillas zacatecas
Jose Maria Montellano - Perez (1809-1894) and married to Ponciana Martinez .Jose Maria Montellano - Grand Son of Pedro Montellano & Son of Simon,
I did find what you shared in regard to Phelipe (1705) & Paula Francisca De Avila. There is also a Joseph Joachin Montejano (1735) Villa De Reyes, San Luis Potosi married to Juana Ygnacia Argote (1720-1810) who appears to be the parents of Pedro Jose "Montellano" (DOB approx. 1750-60)
Very interesting how last names were dropped, so assuming that Ramirez was paternal and Montejano was maternal? My confusion is the spelling of the surname of Montellano which are in
Busco linea Familiar con relacion a Carlos Salas Jaramillo 1805-1833 posible padre Jose Tiburcio Salas 1738-1826 nacido en Villanueva Zacatecas
I believe I have found the resting place of one Francisco Campos Aguinaga. He died in 1915 after a mining accident in Southern Arizona a few years earlier. His civil death states he was put to rest at the Panteón Francés de la Piedad in Mexico City. (The other Panteon Frances was built in the 1940s.)
An acquaintance was able to get photos of the crypt and marker. However the surname on the larger crypt is different. It is marked "Familia Casasola." The marker at the foot of the crypt, "164," is the only indicator, that helped to find Francisco's plot. (I've included photos of the grave site.)
Other than the civil death record I have no other way to verify that this is our guy.
Now it gets interesting.
After help in locating the plot with help from the Mexican Consulate in Texas, and a genealogist in Mexico DF who took photos, the cemetery is now saying that the plot may not have been fully paid for back in the day. (Is this customary?) The family would like to help restore at least
Does anyone know of the Maciel Familia? Any history?
Gracias,
Elizabeth
Pude localizar el artículo de la persona que ha estado investigando:
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Jesús Valencia - Mar 9, 2014 - | Visto 21602 veces
Familias judío sefarditas en México conservan su genética
En los Reyes y la región continúa la descendencia de sefarditas o judíos conversos. Según don Antonio Echavarría, cronista de Los Reyes, eran 18 familias a las que se les agregaron siete más para sumar 25 en total que fueron quienes principalmente fundaron el pueblo de Cotija, del que se sabe poco de su fundación pero se dice que fue entre el 2 y el 5 de agosto de 1759.
Cotija está situada en el occidente de Michoacán, en el valle de Turiaparo (lugar de elotes), que es limítrofe con lo que hoy es el estado de Jalisco. Sus fundadores vinieron de Andalucía y Galicia. En el día 5 de mayo de 1896 Aristeo Mercado, gobernador de Michoacán, elevó a rango de ciudad este poblado.
Echavarría señaló que las 18 familias antiguas de origen sefardita que se asentaron
Hola:
La familia Maciel proviene posiblemnte de la zona de Zamora- Cotija Michoacán, hay versiones de que las familias de esa zona podrían ser de origen judío. Hace tiempo leí un artículo sobre eso.
La familia Galván procede de Querétaro en donde se estableció en el siglo XVI dedicada a la ganadería, para seguir estas raíces te recomiendo que estudies este linaje en la página bisabuelos.com En la lista de apellidos buscas el apellido Rico de Rojas y ahí tiene un enlace hacia el apellido Galván.
La familia Blancarte o Plancarte procede del reino de Flandes (Holanda) eran servideres del Carlos I de España, V de Alemania, en esos territorios viene de la raíz Plan- Kart.
Efectivamente el apellido Plancarte, Blancarte que se extendió en México desde el área de Tangancícuaro Chichota Zamora Jacona Tangancícuaro tiene su origen en Guillermo Plancarte, Wilhelm Planckaert originario de Kortrick Flandes Bélgica. Se tiene noticia de que llegó a Nueva España en 1526 y tuvo al menos tres hijos, dos bautizados en la ciudad de México y uno en Valladolid. Tengo noticia que en esta última ciudad fundó la Archicofradía del Santísimo Sacramento en 1541. En el tema sobre los Murguía, Maciel compartí más datos de nuestro antepasado pero no supe cómo poner el link aquí.
Aquí pongo el link con la información de Wilhelm Planckaert
https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/comment/36756#comment-36756
Can you be more specific, such as first and last names, location and time period?
At Family Search, for example, with the constraint of last name = Maciel (exact match) you get:
9 hits for Aguascalientes
477 for Zacatecas
5,753 for Jalisco
for Mexico as a whole, you get 22,040.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
I have them in Michoacán and Jalisco.
files on Rootsweb.com file called Mexico
Linda Castanon-Long
On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:52 PM, Elizabeth Acevedo-Sanchez wrote:
Does anyone know of the Maciel Familia? Any history?
Gracias,
Elizabeth
My 5th g-grandmother was Ascencia Manuela Maciel, born in 1727 Jalostotitlan to Pedro Vicente Maciel and Juana Maria Alvares. She was married to Cristobal Manuel Vasquez de Lara in 1743 Jalostotitlan and they had 8 children that I know of, at least two of whom married into my primary Velez line. Is this the line, location, and timeframe you're interested in?
Sandra Velez
Sandra,
In case you didn't have this information -
Pedro Vicente Maciel married to Juana Maria Alvares was the son of Juan Maciel Blancarte y de Ayala Saavedra and Marcela de Rojas y Rodas.
Juan Maciel Blancarte y de Ayala Saavedra was the son of Nicolás Maciel Blancarte and Gertrudis de Ayala y Saavedra who were from Chilchota, Michoacán.
I also descend from Nicolás Maciel Blancarte and Gertrudis de Ayala y Saavedra through their daughter Anna de Liébana who married Alonso Galván de Rojas y Trujillo the son of Hernando Galván de Rojas and Anna Trujillo.
Marcela de Rojas y Rodas was the daughter of Alonso Galván de Rojas y Salcedo and Luisa González de Rubalcava y Rodas married 2 Mar 1653 in Lagos de Moreno.
Alonso Galván de Rojas y Salcedo was the son of Alonso Galván de Rojas and Juana de Salcedo. I also descend from them since they are the parents of Hernando Galván de Rojas.
Luisa González de Rubalcava y Rodas was the daughter of Fulgencio González de Ruvalcaba y López
Thanks so much for the additional information, Armando! I did not have that, and I will research the new details.
I do appreciate it very much, thanks again!
Sandra Velez
Hello Armando
Do you know if juan Maciel Blancarte and Maria Marcela "Galvan" Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba had a daughter named Maria Marcela Rubalcaba?
I am looking for the parents of Maria Marcela de Rubalcaba that married Jph. Gerardo Rodriguez
Jph. Gerardo Rodrigz.
Spouse's Name: Maria Marcela De Robalcaba
Event Date: 25 Feb 1756
Event Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
Or is this Marcela the Maria Ana Marcela gonzalez de Ruvalcaba that is the daughter of Nicolas Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba and Maria de la Encarnacion Gallegos?
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
So I was doing my usual researchy thing online looking at struggle lines like Diego de Trevino when I happened up a few older research documents you guys find interesting to add to your stash.
The entomology of the name was fascinating to me so I decided to see what towns they were actually referencing in Spain. So indeed I looked up Temiño, Spain. It is an fact a real town and that is indeed the way it is spelled. It is also the town where the references "Don Alfonso Ruiz de Temirio y Doña Sancha de Velasco". Even in the old research docs the the spelling varies. These are the ancestors that Baltasar Temiño references to prove his noble lineage in Zacatecas.
So while spelling would vary depending on the scribe and their educational and cultural background it is now evident to me that Baltsar Temiño is indeed a Temiño NOT Trevino. Now it could be that the town of Temiño could have old ties to the Condes de Trevino and they are from another branch they however achieved their "grandee
I wanted to introduce myself to the forum. I'm Raymundo Muñoz from Brownsville, Texas. I've been researching (since COVID lockdown) about my fathers paternal side of the family since i know very little from about them and am wanting to know more since that's the last name I carry.
A few things that I know about my grandfather is that he originated in Teocaltiche, Jalisco and then moved to Matamoros area (supposedly fleeing Jalisco for beating up the son of his boss) where he married my grandmother and then immigrated to Huntsville, Texas. If you can see the attachment, it is confirmed (by my father) that his Pablo Muñoz and Virginia de Anda Quesada. If anyone can help confirm that if I am in the right path and lastly if anyone has any information on Jose Maria Muñoz and his spouse Pascuala Gutierrez.
Thank you,
Raymundo
I have a Jose Esteban Munoz who was baptized on 3 Aug 1863 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco. His parents were Antonio Munoz and Ponciana Guerra. Feel free to contact me at pcenteno@razzolink.com
Paul
The closest that I am related is through the Reynoso. Maria del Carmen Reynoso is a descendant of Sebastian Reynoso Renteria and Francisca Ramirez de Hermosillo who I also descend from.
Lee Ingram has the correct parents for Esteban Muñoz. The evidence is in the baptismal records of Pablo Muñoz and Virginia De Anda’s children.
Esteban’s parents are Trinidad Munoz (Jose George de la Trinidad Munoz de Lopez Nava) and Teodocia Losa.
Esteban and Celerina (Selerina, Enedina) Ramirez are parents of Pablo Munoz that was baptized 7 March 1880 in San Miguel el Alto. He was listed as born in Derramadero (Jalisco). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GPW7-Q?cc=1874591
Rick A. Ricci
Raymundo,
Welcome to our group! You list Pablo Munoz (born around 1886 in Jalisco) as the son of Esteban Munoz (Guerra) and Enedina Ramirez. You also list Esteban as the son of Francisco Munoz and Hipolita Guerra. Esteban Munoz Guerra was baptized 3 ago. 1889 (3 Aug 1889) Señor de la Ascensión, Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, México. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9H-H?cc=1874591&wc=3J6X-16N%3A173503201%2C173503202%2C173770403 : 16 February 2017), Unión de San Antonio > Señor de la Ascensión > Bautismos 1888-1890 > image 231 of 382
Unless there were two Esteban's within the same family, I do not believe Francisco Munoz Gutierrez and Hipolita Guerra were Esteban's parents.
However there is a Esteban Munoz (Lopez Nava) that married Celerina Ramirez on 10 Feb 1879 in San Miguel el Alto. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTXP-J?cc=1874591
Esteban was listed as from Saucillo (Jalisco). I believe Celerina was from Derramadero (Jalisco). I noticed Enedina was
Hello, finally got around to looking into it. I think you are correct. The discrepancy that I found is like you said. I have found 3 different names for Enedina, Celerina, and Senorina. I have also seen 2 different spellings for Esteban vs Estevan.
I have also found little to no information regarding my paternal grandparent Salvador Muñoz whose parents were Pablo Muñoz and Virginia Anda.
I only found 1 baptism record of my aunt (still living so won’t name her) in Teocaltiche, Jalisco that names my grandfather Salvador Muñoz. Her parents (my grandparents) Salvador Muñoz and Alicia Castilleja.
Thanks!
Maria Pasquala Gutierrez is the daughter of Eleuterio Gutierrez and Maria de San Jose Hurtado. She is baptized on 23/May/1819 buried on 25/June/1857. Her husband Jose Maria Muñoz is listed as still living.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/MVQ3-H5M
Rick A. Ricci
Hi, I am fairly new to this forum so please excuse me if I do something wrong.
I have several ancestors from the Celaya area, and I am wondering if anyone has information about the parents of Pedro Buitrón Mujica AKA Pedro Vallejo born c.1700 in Celaya and married to Catarina Tena Padilla in 01/FEB/1736 in Celaya.
I am aware he is a "clandestine" son of Francisco Buitrón Mujica, and from the glances I was able to find as previews from "Los Tena de Celaya" by Rafael Nieto y Cortadellas, it looks like his mother might be Manuela Vallejo García (Daugther of Diego Vallejo Torres and Juana García Diosdado), but I haven't been able to find documentation to confirm this, so any help will be greatly appreciated.
I have read in "Retoños de España..." and in this forum that Mr. hfaizcorbe, you are and expert in the region so I would love to know if you have any information regarding this family.
Thank you in advance,
Salvador Rivas
Perdona, la madre de Inés Pascuala de Silva no era Magdalena, sino Isabel Duarte de la Cruz. Alguién afirmó que Domingo de Silva, el padre, era hijo de un piortugués llamado Juan de Silva, pero sin prueba documental alguna. En cualquier caso yo no he podido encontrar referencias al origen de Domingo o de su supuesto padre, o al de Isabel Duarte de la Cruz. En su testamento, Domingo no menciona a sus padres. Tanto Silva como Duarte son apellidos muy portugueses, pero no prueban nada con respecto al lugar de procedencia.
Espero que toda la anterior información te sea de utilidad.
Saludos,
H
Buena tarde Sr. Aizcorbe,
Nuevamente agradezco mucho su apoyo e información para poder enlazar oportunamente a Pedro García de León con la familia correspondiente, yo no había encontrado ninguna de la fuentes que usted me hace el favor de compartir.
También había topado con la información que comenta de los Silva y el propuesto patriarca portugués, pero como bien comenta, tampoco he tenido información que los enlace, más allá de la cercana ubicación y apellidos en común.
Saludos,
Salvador
Inés Pascuala de Silva. Nació, probablemente en San Miguel el Grande, en la década de 1560. Fue mujer de Andrés García de León , nacido en la ciudad de México alrededor de 1557, hijo de Lope García de León -otro de los fundadores de la villa y uno de los primeros cuatro regidores de ella-, con quien casó alrededor de 1580 y quien recibió en dote de su suegro (Domingo de Silva) 1,250 pesos de oro común[1]. Además de la herencia que le correspondía a Inés Pascuala, su padre, Domingo de Silva, en su testamento, la mejoró en un tercio y en el remanente del quinto de sus bienes[2].
Con motivo de la lectura del edicto de la fe en Celaya, en el otoño de 1614, varias personas denunciaron a Inés Pascuala por haber solicitado ayuda para elaborar un remedio para amansar a su marido y haber sugerido a otras mujeres el uso de dicho remedio, y, aunque ella misma no compareció ante el padre comisario, fray Diego Muñoz, en la relación de las reprensiones que éste dio en febrero de 1615, se refiere a
Juana García de León. Fue mujer en primeras nupcias de Bartolomé de Acosta, con quien casó a principios del siglo XVII. Juana enviudó de Bartolomé y casó en segundas nupcias, antes de 1620, con Francisco de Pantoja, vecino de Salamanca, regidor, alcalde de la Santa Hermandad de Salamanca[1] y alcalde ordinario de esa villa en 1659[2], con quien también tuvo descendencia. En el padrón del Valle de Santiago de 1668, Juana y Francisco de Pantoja aparecen viviendo juntos. El 8 de septiembre de 1668, Juan de la Cuadra, agente de la catedral de Valladolid, presentó una demanda de cobró contra Francisco de Pantoja, “que hoy dicen es difunto”, por 607 pesos y 6 tomines adeudados de diezmos[3]. Sin embargo, la partida de defunción de Francisco establece que falleció en el Valle de Santiago y fue sepultado el 15 de enero de 1669. “No testó porque no pudo, porque murió muy presto”[4].
Juana fue hija de Andrés García de León y de Inés Pascuala de Silva. Andrés fue hijo, a su vez, de Lope García de
Pedro García de León. Nació alrededor de 1615[1].
Fue marido de Micaela de la Cruz, o Pérez, con quien casó antes de 1637. Pedro fue labrador y vecino del Valle de Santiago, donde falleció Micaela y fue sepultada el 18 de abril de 1665[2]. Junto con un nutrido grupo de vecinos y estancieros del Valle de Santiago, el 27 de noviembre de 1679, estando en Celaya, solicitó al obispo de Michoacán, don fray Francisco de Aguiar y Seixas, autorización para constituir la cofradía del Santísimo Sacramento del Valle de Santiago[3]. En numerosas ocasiones Pedro actuó como testigo de las informaciones de libertad para contraer matrimonio ofrecidas por los personajes de Salamanca y el Valle de Santiago más relevantes en su tiempo.
Pedro era hijo de Juana García de León y de Bartolomé de Acosta. Durante el siglo XVII muchos hijos de mujeres apellidadas García de León ostentaron el apellido compuyesto de la madre, quizás por el origen noble del mismo.
[1] Como testigo de la información de libertad
Estimado Salvador:
Dime a cuales García de León de Valle de Santiago estás buscando. Es muy posible que pueda ayudarte. Aunque mis investigaciones van desde unos pocos años antes de la fundación de Celaya y hasta el año de 1720, más o menos, creo que podría enlazar tus García de León con el fundador de Celaya y genearca de los García de León, llamado Lope García de León.
Recibe un cordial saludo,
Héctor
Buena tarde Sr. Aizcorbe,
Muchas gracias por su apoyo, vengo de un Pedro Salgado, hijo de Juan Salgado Muñoz (hijo de Pedro Salgado y Geronima Muñoz) casado con María García de León cerca del 26 de diciembre de 1658 en Valle de Santiago.
Los padres de dicha María, de acuerdo a la información matrimonial, son Pedro García de León y Micaela Pérez.
Desafortunadamente el documento que encontré no tiene más información que la que le comento pero espero sea de utilidad.
Saludos,
Salvador
La familia Buitrón Mújica se estableció en Querétaro desde el siglo XVI y recibieron probablemente en herencia la Hacienda Miranda que perteneció a su ahijado Diego de Miranda (Sánchez) Cortés. Es probable que la familia de Celaya descienda de éstas pues muchos de los pobladores de Querétaro tenían terrenos en la zona que va de Querétaro hasta Acámbaro. Pronto publicaré un libro sobre la fundación de las haciendas de San Pedro de La Cañada, que es una zona contigua a la ciudad de Querétaro.
Marcelina (Fabiola)
Muchas gracias por tu respuesta y la información que me comparte Marcelina Macías, había llegado a la misma suposición de que probablemente serían los Buitron Mujica de Querétaro, pero por lo pronto no tengo información documental que lo confirme.
Por favor mantenme informado sobre tu publicación, pues me es de mucho interés.
Saludos,
Salvador
Desgraciadamen te los cuadros genealógicos contenidos en el libro de Solange Alberro son algo confusos y contienen errores. Yo he venido preparando un libro sobre los fundadores de Celaya y sus familias, pero, desgraciadamente (o afortunadamente), cada vez que creo que ya he terminado me encuentro con información adicional para incluir o para corregir.
Si tienes cualquier otra duda no "dudes" en consultarme.
Saludos,
Héctor
Muchas gracias por su observación Sr. Aizcorbe.
Curiosamente ésta semana di con una línea de los García-de-León de los cuales desciendo, vi que el apellido es sujeto de estudio en "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia...", y noté que usted y su trabajo son muy bien referidos en la publicación, y aunque desafortunadamente mis ancestros de ese apellido no fueron abordados por Don Mariano González-Leal porque parece que radicaron en la zona de Valle de Santiago, me siento muy halagado por haber contado con su amable apoyo para este punto de los Buitrón-Mujica.
Desconozco si su libro en proceso es el mismo mencionado por Don Mariano, pero espero que pronto podamos disfrutar de su exhaustivo trabajo, sin duda será un libro muy útil e interesante.
Saludos,
Salvador
Estimado Sr. Aizcorbe,
Nuevamente muchas gracias por la información compartida, estaba un poco familiarizado con los incidentes mencionados porque anteriormente había dado con una publicación francesa al respecto de "Las brujas de Celaya" en 1614 (https://books.openedition.org/cemca/2618?lang=es) pero al haber una doble traducción de por medio le confieso que me perdí, a diferencia de con los documentos y transcripciones que usted amablemente me comparte.
Ciertamente y como bien comenta, yo daba a Catalina Ramos como hija de Francisco Ramos y Catalina González debido al documento del link del mensaje anterior que le compartí, pero con su información y con en el diagrama de ésta publicación , he corregido.
Saludos,
Salvador
Hola, Salvador,
La información que te puedo proporcionar sobre los Buitrón Mújica de Celaya es la siguiente:
María Delgado del Rincón, o González. Según su declaración ante el Santo oficio, en Celaya, el 23 de octubre de 1614, era española, natural de Querétaro y de más de 50 años de edad, por lo que debió nacer antes de 1564[1].
Fue mujer de Martín Alonso (deudo, o la misma persona, del Martín Alonso que, en 1563, casado y avecindado con su mujer e hijos en la villa de San Miguel, recibió una merced de tierras, solar y huerta[2]), mercader, nacido alrededor de 1544[3].
Martín Alonso aún vivía en 1614, año en que otorgó un poder general a su yerno, Juan de Butrón Mújica[1].
ALGUNA INFORMACIÓN EN EL ARCHIVO HISTÓRICO DE LA PROVINCIA FRANCISCANA DE MICHOACAN:
No. 75. Martín Alonso y María Delgado Rincón, su mujer, le vendieron a Pedro Núñez una caballería de tierra de riego que linda por una parte con labor y tierras del dicho Pedro Núñez y por la otra María Rodríguez Egipciaca, viuda, y de
No puedo agradecerle lo suficiente por su invaluable apoyo y pronta respuesta, Sr. Félix Aizcorbe.
Soy aficionado a la genealogía desde hace tres años, por lo que estoy seguro que comento bastantes errores, pero siempre he procurado guiarme por documentación lo mas fidedigna posible, por lo que todas las fuentes documentales que usted me hace el favor de compartirme me ayudarán mucho a tratar de dirigirme en la dirección correcta.
En esta rama de árbol me topé con información en dispensas que me parecía contradictoria, como el documento de la siguiente liga: www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-6C93-LT?i=1217
Que como verá, menciona:
1. A un Antonio Buitrón (que entiendo por Pedro) hijo del Antonio Buitrón que usted señala y padre el Bachiller Francisco Buitrón.
2.Un Martín Alonso (hijo de la pareja que usted menciona, Martín Alonso y María Delgado), casado con Catalina Ramos, supuestos padres de María Delgado "actual mujer de Juan Buitrón Moxica". Pienso que tal vez sean homónimos y
Estimado Salvador:
Gracias al documento del link que me has enviadio me he dado cuenta de que yo había incurrido en un error y de que, efectivamente, hubo dos personas con el nombre Martín Alonso en la Celaya de alrededor de 1600:
1. El Martín Alonso marido de María Delgado del Rincón, también llamada María González (hija de Domingo Santos -fallecido antes del 17 de octubre de 1590- y de Catalina González, fallecida antes del 2o de enero de 1609);
2. El Martín Alonso, el Mozo, hijo de los anteriores y marido de Catalina Ramos (quien , en realidad, era hija de Juan Rodríguez y de Juana Ramos, y ésta hija, a su vez, de Francisco Ramos Adalid -originario de Medina del Campo, Castilla, muerto antes del 9 de diciembre de 1589- y de Catalina González- la del testamento otorgado el 26 de octubre de 1612-. La mención de Catalina Ramos en el documento del Link induce a pensar que era hija de la otorgante del testamento, pero era su nieta), padres de María Delgado, mujer de Juan de Buitrón Mujica.
P
Dear Cousin John:
The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a titled
manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the year
of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family Diaz
Is there any chance I can get a copy of Guadalupe Diaz de Leon's manuscript, "Historia de Montesa"? I am a descendant of the Diaz de Leon family from La Montesa and would like to learn more about them.
Thank you!
Where might I get a copy of the manuscript? Searching for my wife's ancestors.
Grandfather was Ysidro Diaz De Leon who married (3) Apolonia Casas in Tlaltenango in 1845
Thank you,
Hola Felipe:
Disculpen, yo escribo en español, porque mi
ingles no es muy bueno, espero que no les moeste.
La razon de la presente es para agradecerte por
la informacion que nos brindas a todos nosotros
los investigadores de genealogia.
Si mi ingles no me engaña, nos dices sobre un
manuscrito titulado "Historia de Montesa" escrito
por Don Guadalupe Diaz de Leon en el año de
1895, y ofreces enviarlo escaneado via e.mail
o subirlo al servidor de "Nuestros Ranchos"
para su consulta, y yo por este medio te doy
las gracias y te pido que por favor a mi tambien
me hagas llegar una copia de este manuscrito
para tambien consultarlo.
Pero cuentanos mas al respecto, quien era
Don Guadalupe Diaz de Leon, y como llego a
tus manos ese interesantisimo manuscrito,
existe alguna relacion de esta persona con
el ex-rector de la Universidad de Guadalajara
Don Enrique Diaz de Leon?.
Saludos desde Guadalajara, Jalisco:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
2006/9/29
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From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 29-sep-2006 14:55
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hacienda " Los Campos"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Hola Felipe:
Disculpen, yo escribo en español, porque mi
ingles no es muy bueno, espero que no les moeste.
La razon de la presente es para agradecerte por
la informacion que nos brindas a todos nosotros
los investigadores de genealogia.
Si mi ingles no me engaña, nos dices sobre un
manuscrito titulado "Historia de Montesa" escrito
por Don Guadalupe Diaz de Leon en el año de
1895, y ofreces enviarlo escaneado via e.mail
o subirlo al servidor de "Nuestros Ranchos"
para su consulta, y yo por este medio te doy
las gracias y te pido que por favor a mi tambien
me hagas llegar una copia de este manuscrito
para tambien consultarlo.
Pero cuentanos mas al respecto, quien era
Don Guadalupe Diaz de Leon, y como llego a
tus manos ese interesantisimo manuscrito,
existe alguna relacion
I am very much interested in the history of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" since several of "our" Campos ancestors are residing there in the 1840 census. They are listed under the heading of Sn JPH.de los Campos. Does the manuscript include the whole area...we also have ancestors on Rancho de los Belas and Sn Buena Ventura.
ulla-britt
Felipe,
Do you have any genealogical info on the de los Reyes of Zacatecas?
I have an ancestress named Clare de los Reyes, who married Cristobal
Villavicencio/sencio/sensio in the 1750s in Jerez, Zacatecas. I have
no other information on her. Thanks. Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:48 AM, felipe reyes wrote:
> Dear Cousin John:
>
> The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a
> titled
> manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the
> year
> of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family
> Diaz
> of Leon and other ancient surnames of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and
> Jalisco.That valious story includes the years from 1620 to 1890 and
> contains
> information of incredible testimonial value. I have an “scanned” file
> .
> This document is 700 pages thick. Tell me if you need that I sen it to
> you
> E-mail or "upload it" the familiar archives of "Nuestros Ranchos", for
> permanent consultation of our
Dear Cousin Felipe
Thank you, I would love tosee it..it sounds like it should go on the site but can Joseph tae such a huge file on there??
John
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From: "felipe reyes"
Subj: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hacienda " Los Campos"
Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:48 am
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Dear Cousin John:
The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a titled
manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the year
of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family Diaz
of Leon and other ancient surnames of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and
Jalisco.That valious story includes the years from 1620 to 1890 and contains
information of incredible testimonial value. I have an scanned file ..
This document is 700 pages thick. Tell me if you need that I sen it to you
E-mail or "upload it" the familiar archives of "Nuestros Ranchos", for
permanent consultation of our genealogists cousins. Our
You may have to break up the file into chunks as the web server will
not accept uploads of more than 2MB over HTTP... which is necessary if
it is to go into the secure part of the site. If you look at the
Tlaltenango Census document, you will see how the document was simply
split into several 1 to 2 MB chunks by pages.
This makes it easier to consult as well, since someone can download
portions at a time rather than having to wait for a huge file to
download every time they want to consult it. Let me know if you have
any problems with it.
2006/9/29, john9ten@pacbell.net :
> Dear Cousin Felipe
> Thank you, I would love tosee it..it sounds like it should go on the site but can Joseph tae such a huge file on there??
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: "felipe reyes"
> Subj: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hacienda " Los Campos"
> Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:48 am
> Size: 1K
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>
> Dear Cousin John:
>
> The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is
Could you advise as to where you obtained your copy of above?
Dispensa