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go take a look and check me...  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LD5S-QTC

Go to the tree below and you can start filling it in even more.  One of those border crossing cards even mentioned the restaurant EL TEXCOCO INN... added it as a source to Elena profile.....   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TD-HR9D-T?i=1285&cc=19160…

anyway...I tied it together a little but you can go in there start tracing backwards.... you can see the potential grandparents and whatnot....go look and have fun filling in the gaps..

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/LD5S-QTC

ps- that little chart you posted really helped in getting going...

Hello Ken,

I looked up your grandfather’s marriage and baptismal records.  What popped out was that he is living in Texas in the same area where I did research on QB Tony Romo’s great grandmother, Bexar Texas.   Pedro’s grandparents are listed in his baptismal record.

Good luck in your research Ken,

Rick A. Ricci

Look up my past posts on Lope Ruiz de Esparza’s ancestors and descendants. 

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

You asked for help yet you didn’t provide any information that could possibly help identify them as a spouse.   Was Ladislao married to Maria de Jesus Chavez?   Was Ciriaco married to Maria del Refugio Jimenez? Was Simon married to a woman surnamed Trujillo?

Good Luck in your research

Rick A. Ricci

Hello Daniel,

I believe we share some ancestors! My family also comes from Paso de Sotos/Villa Hidalgo.  

Welcome Daniel. IF you're stuck on specific people, you should post their names, it's possible that others are working on the same line.

Danny

Welcome to the site, Daniel!

works to see a LOT on one page.  The items are selectable and if updated then when clicked on it will display the individual and where from.

at least folks could have a place to start looking around.

In Rafael Oroscos second marriage to Maria Ignacia Martin you will see that it is written that he is a widower and that his first wife was Maria Guadalupe Vargas (Bargas).

blob:https://www.familysearch.org/cef34b72-fd89-4f74-985d-2bace1e2a5b2

Rick A. Ricci

just follow the tree and click on the individuals.    go take a peek.  see what you think  both wives now on marriage tree.  Guadalupe Bargas died giving birth to Jose Bitor ... record shows she died giving birth - "mal parto" (bad childbirth)   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GQHL-Q2S

If you look at the record for his marriage to Ygnacia it mentions that his first wife was buried at the "Iglesia de San Migule" 2 years earlier.

Although it is not searchable online, many of the families that are mentioned in it have been documented on this site and on others since Retoños' publication in 2010-2011:

• Nuestros Ranchos
• FamilySearch
• Guadalajara Dispensas
• Katy's Guadalajara Dispensas
• Katy's Other Indexes
• Valladolid Dispensas
• Wikitree

This list of the surnames mentioned in Retoños was shared here before by other researchers. Review it and consider adding to your post which surname or chapter you are most interested in and perhaps I or someone else here can point you to what you're looking for. The more information you provide about your "brick wall" ancestors, the easier it is for others to help you.

1.- Aceves
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz

Thank you Manny for sharing as I still had my doubts.    I still have the original booklet regarding Alonso Estrada’s genealogy.   It is fragile and I am looking to donate to a library, but I haven’t decided which library.

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you Manny!!

The baptismal record Casimiro's sister mentions their grandparents:

Maria Josefa de la Trinidad: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684T-BY2Z

• Abuelos paternos: Jose Jesus Najar & Maria Dolores Plascencia
• Abuelos maternos: Antonio Lujano & Francisca Rocha

“Under the condition” that they are not already baptized. This was done in cases in which perhaps the child was a foundling, or maybe had been given an emergency baptism after a troubled birth, or was maybe a recent convert.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

and I think this is Macedonia Rivas baptism record..... but I'm trying to find some other cross-reference before I link it.  You can see grandparents here also.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K25R-F?view=index&pers…

I think this is her death registration but I"m still following up on other cross-references.   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PK2-6DR?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG72-4G2W&action=view

She was an "hija natural" so there you are.  Birth was reported by Francisco Arroniz, reportedly "soltero" (single), and the father is reported as "no conocido" (unknown father--I'm staring squinty-eyed at this commend since Francisco presented the child).  The child was therefore given the Mothers surname.  She was born in 1895 not 1899

Anyway...see below and while I was at it added more references to your trees.  

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PJ9-43H?view=index&pe…

Hello Monica,

I have a possible reason as why you are stuck on your fathers maternal grandparents.   It seems that they weren’t married to each other.  A person with her name is listed on her death record as being single, and a person with his name is recorded with a wife with a different name.    His name is not a common one in Jalisco, and especially in Ameca.   I can trace both of these individuals ancestry back but before that is done it should be confirmed that these are the same people as your dads maternal grandparents.   That can be done by getting your maternal grandmother’s birth record or baptismal record and searching for clues, threads, in those records.   
Rick A. Ricci

Jose Ana  Marquez and Jesus Marquez Both have the same parents, Felipe Marquez and Susana Martin according to marriage and baptismal records, and they are both married to the same Maria Nieves Ledesma that is a daughter of Jose Dolores Ledesma and Petra Sanchez.   I don’t know if they are the same person but they have the same ancestry.   Jose Ana Marquez has an older brother named Jesus Marquez.

You are correct that they are parent of the “Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line” as Susana Guadalupe Martin del Campo descends from them.

See:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/KCLW-X2L

Rick A. Ricci 

Thank you so much for these! Is the book that these are in available online? Do they have Totatiche, Jalisco or Monte Escobedo or Jerez, Zacatecas?

Look at the surrounding entries.  See if there is another child with the same surname.

Could it be that Antonio is a cuate or mellizo (fraternal twin)?

If so, than a possible translation could be: "...Antonio, twin, mulatto..."

is this him?  note that he is attached to Alfredo Macias Avila in family search dot org.  

Was the wife's name Angela Cuevas?  

 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7KMD-85PZ

1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


Rick A. Ricci

Alfredo Avila Huizar and  Alfredo Avila Macias are two different people 


Rick A. Ricci

what were alfredo's parents name?  mother and father?

I have done much research on the Orosco family in Spain.   And yes they have a Jewish background.   Some of the branches converted but many members of the family kept many of their Jewish traditions.   The trunk of this family was close to the Covarrubias family.  After much research it turned out that the Covarrubias had a similar Jewish background.     Many of the families that were the founding members in Los Altos de Jalisco had a mixture of Jewish ancestors and younger members of noble families.   

Rick A. Ricci 

Buen día, yo los encontré acá:  https://mexicangenealogy.com/listas-pasajeros-a-indias-passenger-lists-…

Saludos.

Rumualdo Coronado is the son of Andres Coronado and Maria Yrinea Mata.

Francisca Morillo is the daughter of Pedro Morillo and Juana Morales

Rick A. Ricci

Hi, I just saw this post. I have Morillo ancestry from Jerez, Las Tetillas, Zacatecas. My first ancestor with that surname was, according to the record I found, Pablo Alverto Morillo. He was married to Juliana del Carmen Villavicencio. This would have been in the late 1700s. I can trace her families to the founding of Mexico. In my lines there are no spellings with Murillo at all. There is a Pedro Morillo connected with them but at present I don't remember if Pedro is Pablo's brother. Pedro married a Guadalupe Mercado.

You didn’t give me much to go one as you didn’t provide wives names or why you came up with those dates.    
Many people use a mother’s surname or a grandparent’s surname instead of the father’s surname.

Here is a Bernabe Oñate that was born in 1808 :

Jose Antonio “Bernabe” Elizarraras Onate is the son of Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras and Maria Gertrudis De Onate.

Maria Gertrudis De Onate is the daughter on Jose Dionicio Oñate (Doñate) and Maria Estefania Ledesma.

——————++++++++++++++———————————

Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras Is the son of Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras and Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez.

Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Cruz.

Pedro Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Simona

Good luck in your research, 

Rick A. Ricci

Happy New Year to all!  Thank you, Manny, for once again and again and again giving us all something interesting to read, to think about and hopefully find more leads to answer the questions we have.  I haven't read any of the links so don't know how Criado was used whether servant or was raised by Martin Navarro.  Come the new year, I will definitely read!  

Saludos, Primo

Hi Manny

Very intersting and exciting! Thanks for including all the links!

Looking forward to your follow-up post :)

Best regards, 

Denise L. Hernandez Fastrup

Ohhh this one is an exciting thread!

Manny,

You must remember that criado did not mean servant back then.    Criado meant that you served under someone with a higher position.   You could have a high position and still be called criado because you had a boss.