Hello all,
I saw a previous topic about what possibly happened to the records pre 1800 for Juchipila and I would like your help in working my Enriquez line in Amoxochitl.
The last one ends with Sixto Enriquez and Manuela Reynoso both born around 1800.
Thank you!
Emilie, looks like, APOSILCO.
Hola Members/Primos , I am a little confused . I have a Micaela Garcia married to Cristobal Ramirez -(marriage date I cant find) with the following children:
1) Maria Yanuaria Garcia born Sept.22,1814 in San Juan de Los Lagos
Bautismos-San Juan de Los Lagos -1809-1816 Image # 349 -padres no conocidos
2) Maria Petra Ramirez Garcia born Oct. 28,1823 in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 107
3) Felipe de Jesus Garcia Ramirez born Feb. 11,1828 in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 330
4)Yrineo Garcia Ramirez born July 08, 1832i in San Miguel el Alto
Bautismos-San Miguel el Alto 1821-1832 Image # 670
All state with the exception of one that the Abuelos Paternos-Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de La Torre and Rafaela de La Torre- which are the Parents of Micaela Garcia.
The problem is I also have a Micaela Garcia daughter of Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de la Torre married to Vicente Reynoso 16, of Sept. 1799 in Guadalajara with children born from the years of 1806 thru 1823.
I am thinking maybe Ygnacio Garcia and Rafaela de La Torre had 2 Micaelas with different first or middle names . Any thoughts ?
Ronnie el Confundido
Can someone tell me what the village or town is where M. Buena Haro was born?
Her baptism is listed at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18104-37688-22?cc=1883377&wc…
This is in Nayarit, in La Yesca church, bautizmo Oct 21, 1894, image 646. Her parents were Antonio Haro and Rosa Romero.
The image is the 2nd one down on the left side.
Thanks,
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
I am a member of Nuestros Ranchos and I am interesting in buying the following books… Does any of you know how I could get them or if someone at Nuestros Ranchos would have copies to sell?
1. Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernandez Cordero
2. Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano González Leal
Thanks so much,
Ivan Gallo
(650) 996-5383
ivan.gallo@icloud.com
Me interesa adquirir los libros:
1.- la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
2.- Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (tomo 1 y tomo 3)
Alguien me podría indicar donde podría conseguirlos?
Raul Hurtado Pérez
My Great Grandfather (1851? - 1923) owned this whole mountain called, "Cerro Blanco" it is the mountain with the flat surface directly in the middle of the photo. He also owned the flats surrounding at the base of the mountain in the front side directly towards you on the photo. He supposedly sold it to the "Torres family sometime after the revolution. I already know what my Great Grandfather owned. When I went to visit the "Cerro Blanco" with an uncle. We went to the right side of the Cerro Blanco where there is an incline to go up the mountain. We explored the top of the mountain, while my uncle was telling me so many things about my Great Grandfather, what he owned, the talk of the town, etc. Then we walked to towards the left of the mountain until we got to the edge and we had a view of the other mountains off in the distance including the "Cerro De Huistle" mountain. All the time my uncle showing me areas in the Cerro Blanco and telling me so many things about my great grandfather. We walked back towards towards the right side of the mountain and began walking down the incline. At one spot, near the incline there is a tall cylindar stone shaped column standing up with a large bowl like depression on the top of the column. From the inclinde of the mountain we were walking on, we both jumped to the top of the stone column and stood on the bowl like depression which is about 10 feet in diameter. My uncle showed me these weird writings and symbols carved along the edges of the bowl like depression. I could not understand what they were or what was the purpose of that tall stone column. Seems like it was there during ancient times and man made.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/sy6rsp.jpg
I found this document that was written by Calixto Madera (1851? - 1923)in August 4, 1893 about the production of Honey in our town:
I have been a group member for a couple of years and have enjoyed the
discussion on a number of topics. While I consider myself to be an active
genealogist, I have been limited (with some exceptions) to exploring the
areas of Tamazula de Gordiano and Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco. These Jalisco
connections are my father's side. The other long strand of family comes
from Sinaloa. That work is much like the work of Jalisco--mostly church
records of baptisms and marriages.
My sense is that opening up to the other two states, Colima and Nayarit,
will not produce great numbers of people because most 20th century
immigration to the U.S. has come from the areas of Jalisco, Zacatecas,
Michoacan, Guanajuato, Sonora and other northern states. The coastal
communities of Sinaloa, Colima and Nayarit do not have as many descendants
as the other areas.
The organizers of the site should have the greatest say in this as they do
the bulk of the work. They are the ones who will feel any new work load.
For me, I read the subject matters and decide whether I will follow the
thread of the message or topic. It may be I do not use the site the way it
was intended and I am unaware of the gold that lies beneath the surface.
Hay 'sta mis dos centavos!
Juan Manuel Carrillo
Here are my thoughts:
I don't like the idea of advertising the group as focusing on additional states; however, if a conversation topic leads to Nayarit, Colima, or perhaps Durango (there was a unified zone with Zacatecas in the 1600's) as an offshoot of having ancestry from our original focus area, I would not put a stop to it. There is no point in stopping a conversation that might be helpful to researchers.
For example, I found some of my ancestors from Durango listed in Zacatecas notarial records that were listed on Nuestros Ranchos, but I would not suggest we now include Durango in the Nuestros Ranchos forum. At the same time, I would hope that I would not be stopped if I asked others if they had encountered one of my ancestor's names while researching. I think the key here is to remain flexible without expanding the group too much.
Alice
Ive just accepted a person into the group whose ancestors come from La
Yesca, Jalisco (now Nayarit). As I previously stated Im not going to
interfere with discussion related to the states of Nayarit and/or Colima.
The website/internet representation of the NR group will remain For those
doing research in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. I dont expect
the atmosphere of the group to change very much but if it does Ill revisit
my decision at that time.
Solo he aceptado a una persona en el grupo cuyos antepasados provienen de La
Yesca, Jalisco (ahora Nayarit). Como afirmé anteriormente no voy a
interferir con la discusión relacionada con los Estados de Nayarit o Colima.
La representación de sitio web/internet del grupo NR permanecerá "para
aquellos que hacen investigación en Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes".
No creo que la atmósfera del grupo va a cambiar mucho, pero si lo hace yo a
reconsiderar mi decisión en aquel momento.
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
since I dont have relatives in those states I dont really care.
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> areas of Tamazula de Gordiano and Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco. These Jalisco
> connections are my father's side. The other long strand of family comes
> from Sinaloa. That work is much like the work of Jalisco--mostly church
> records of baptisms and marriages.
>
> My sense is that opening up to the other two states, Colima and Nayarit,
> will not produce great numbers of people because most 20th century
> immigration to the U.S. has come from the areas of Jalisco, Zacatecas,
> Michoacan, Guanajuato, Sonora and other northern states. The coastal
> communities of Sinaloa, Colima and Nayarit do not have as many descendants
> as the other areas.
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> The organizers of the site should have the greatest say in this as they do
> the bulk of the work. They are the ones who will feel any new work load.
> For me, I read the subject matters and decide whether I will follow the
> thread of the message or topic. It may be I do not use the site the way it
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I found a brother the Ana de la Trinidad Garcia and the information on the record is part of the history of the district of Jerez, Zac and I thought the people from the television show research Feliciana Ceballos might want to add it if it's not too late.Also my Spanish isn't what it should be so I would appreciate you reading the records again to make sure I did not record it incorrectly
Linda in Olympia, Wa.
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marriage dispensation requested 5 June 1795 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Bernardo Garcia Espanol from Monte de Garcias age 24
parents: Juan Pioquinto and Polonia Villegas both living
with Polonia de la Cruz Huisar Espanola from Mercado age 18
parents: Josef Guisar and Decideria de la Cruz both deceased
marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
........trunk.....Juan Garcia and Ysabel Gutierres
Marcelino Garcia..............Pascuala Garcia..1st degree
Pioquinto Garcia..............Lasara Hurtado...2nd degree
Jose Bernardo Garcia...Decideria de la Cruz..3rd degree
...............................................Polonia Cruz Huisar...4th degree
witness: Ancelmo Diaz Espanol age 76 from Jerez said:
the trunk Juan Garcia is from the line of the baron who were the originators of Saus de Garcias, Monte de Garcias and el Mercado.
source: 168037 Sagrada Mitra film
page 40
.
also:
marriage dispensation requested in Jerez, Zac
Jose Julian Garcia Espanol from Saus de los Garcias age 48
widower of Maria Marcela Caldera 5 years buried in Jerez
parents: Bernardo Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Sotelo
with: Maria Feliciana Zeballos Espanola from El Durasno age 44
widow of Luciano Caldera 8 years buried in Jerez
parents: Agustin Zeballos and Rita Bermudes both deceased
marriage dispensation 3rd degree
.......trunk......Unknown Garcia
Juan Garcia Gutierres....Juan Garcia el menor..1st degree
Bernardo Garcia..............Ana Garcia....2nd degree
Julian Garcia......................Luciano Caldera...3rd degree
source: 168139 film
page 774
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-94550-39?cc=1874591&wc…
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What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the states
of Nayarit and Colima? Can yall generate some discussion on that topic?
Lets hear the pros and cons.
Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
Please consider stepping into this discussion. Id like feel the groups
pulse on this thought.
¿Cuáles son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a los
Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ¿Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusión sobre
ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
¿Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigación en Nayarit
y Colima abriría grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ¿Las
discusiones iría en temas que podría alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar en
esta discusión. Me gustaría sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
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My ggggggg grandparents "Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709?) and Maria De La Candelaria" were at "Minillas of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico" I know they had 2,000 hectares in 1698, until his great grandson (my gggg grandfather) Francisco Madera (1723 - 1790) showed up in "Rancho De Los Madera's of Huejuquilla.
I found this map of the area and it shows that Minillas is a mining area. I wonder if mining was done there back in the 1600's.
http://mapserver.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/tematicas/…
Here is a picture where you can see, "Minillas" on the map. If you look to upper left corner. You will see "Bajio De Madera's. In town of Huejuquilla there are two Rancho Madera's. "Bajio De Madera's and San Jose De Madera's."
I'm OK with opening up the group to include: Nayarit, sinaloa, Michoacan
and guanajuato. My ancestors were from Jalisco, Guanajuato, Michoacan,
Aguacalientes. I still have family in: Jalisco, Michoacan, Guanajuato,
some have migrated to Sinaloa, and to the USA, namely, Texas,
Colorado, Indiana, Illinois, California, Arizona.
I am bias to Jalisco, Michoacan, Guanajuato. However, I will defer the
decision to the older members of this group, since I joined about a year
ago.
Perhaps, a subgroup should be formed to specialize in the evolution of
Nueva Galacia which would include migration or the creation of Sinaloa,
etc.
Or "Decendants of Nueva Galicia. " Just a thought, or leave the group "as
is."
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How about opening it up to Chihuahua or maybe states now that used to be
part of Nuevo Galicia? Could you poll the members to see which states
they would like to open up, and open those?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:59:49 -0400
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit and/y Colima
>
>
>
> What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the
states
> of Nayarit and Colima? Can y?all generate some discussion on that topic?
> Let?s hear the pros and cons.
>
>
>
> Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
> Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
> the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
> membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
> Please consider stepping into this discussion. I?d like feel the groups
> pulse on this thought.
>
>
>
> ?Cu?les son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a
los
> Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ?Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusi?n
sobre
> ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
>
>
>
> ?Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigaci?n en
Nayarit
> y Colima abrir?a grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ?Las
> discusiones ir?a en temas que podr?a alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
> muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar
en
> esta discusi?n. Me gustar?a sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
>
>
>
> Joseph
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> Joseph Puentes
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> Clean@h2opodcast.com
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Some of the names of the ranches in Jalisco are rather interesting. My grandfather was identified as being from La Jabonera, San Juan de los Lagos when he married. I looked up the definition of La Jabonera and it means soapdish. I then saw on Google Maps that there was a La Jabonera in San Juan de Los Lagos, as well as Lagos de Moreno. This left me confused, because an aunt once told me our Campos family had land in Lagos de Moreno, yet christening/wedding records say La Jabonera, San Juan de Los Lagos. Did the people of Lagos de Moreno use the church in San Juan de Los Lagos? Also, does anybody know why a ranch would have a name like soapdish? I would love to figure out which is the right ranch and view it using Google Maps.
Alice
My mother's family came from Mezquitic Jalisco. She is 86 years old and she tells me that in years that were dry (drought) many families would move to other places. One popular place was Nayarit. Some families would return after the droughts, but others would remain in Nayarit. Her family eventually moved to Nayarit and I remember visiting my grandparents as a child and they had many friends from Mezquitic living in Nayarit. My grandparents moved there so their kids could continue with their studies, so that is another reason why some jalicienses moved to Nayarit.
Sent from my iPhone
An applicant to the group says this:
"La Yesca municipality in Nayarit which was a part of Jalisco in the 19th
century"
Can someone please send me a list of places that historically were part of
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes but are in other states now?
Thanks for your help
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
Joeseph, as far as I am concerned we should open the group to persons doing research in Nayarit and Colima , as well as Zacatecas, Aguascalientes. Since those states belonged in the kingdom of Nueva Galicia during the pre independence of Mexico.
Remember that one of first founding of Guadalajara was in Zacatecas and also in Compostela, Nayarit.
Thanks
Jose A Torre ( De La Torre )
Sent from my iPad
I am reading Lope Ruiz de Esparza's entry on Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias Volumen VII, and comparing it with the original document posted here on nuestros ranchos, thanks to Arturo Ramos. I'm just curious, where on the internet can you browse through these books of "Contratacion"? I am not that familiar with the PARES website, so I'm not really sure how to look for these documents if they are available at all online.
Steve in NC
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Friends,
Anyone with members from the vast Pelayo family surely can trace their roots to Miguel Cayetano Villegas Pelayo and Maria Lucia Angela Vidro Lopez Andrade. But the family of Matriarch, Lucia Angela, has remained elusive as we have never found a marriage or birth for her. I may have resolved the family links, but it is confusing and complicated so I am presenting my findings so that others can confirm or disprove what I believe to be true and possibly add other data.
The Dispensa of Alejo Rafael Pelayo and Lina del Carmel Lopez
Dated: 28 January, 1804 is important primarily because it
provides us the succession of names for Lucia's maternal line (however I believe the tree is erroneous in the connection to Antonio Lopez). In researching Lazaro and Eugenio I learned that they also used the names Lopez and Toscano interchangeably.
Geneological Tree: Antonio Lopez
Lazaro----------------------------------Lucia
Eugenio---------------------------------Francisca
Nicolas---------------------------------Lucia
Lina------------------------------------Alexo
(Bride) (Groom)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-25472-12?cc=1874591&wc…
The key Dispensa that was most helpful to me is for Jose Maria Ponse and Maria Nepocemia Luna dated: 23 March, 1819.
Genealogical Tree: Domingo Lopez/Lucia Toscano
Quiteria Lopez-------Sisters------Francisca Lopez
Agustina Rosa Padilla-------------Rosa Vidro
Jose Luis Ponse-------------------Celia Luna
Jose Maria Ponse------------------Maria Nepocemia Luna
This tree gives us the specific names of Domingo Lopez and Lucia Toscano
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31173-11176-8?cc=1937239&…
The marriage for: Domingo Lopez and Lucia Toscano took place on 8 February, 1701
in Tecolotlan. It is important to note that Lucia also uses the name Solis and her parents are listed as: Francisco Luis Toscano
Isabel de Zuniga
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-12468-37?cc=1874591&wc…
These are the children I have located for Francisco Luis Toscano and Isabel de Zuniga (It is very important to note that the name Zuniga and Solis are used interchangeably throughout the documents)
This is the baptism for Lucia:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-21007-91?cc=1874591&wc…
Baptism for: Agustin:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-21112-77?cc=1874591&wc…
Marriage for Josef Luis:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18522-1420-12?cc=1874591&wc=…
Marriage for Gaspar Toscano:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-54582-8?cc=1874591&wc=…
This is the baptism of Domingo Toscano (husband of Lucia Toscano,Zuniga y Solis) in Autlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-22372-13?cc=1874591&wc…
Two children of Domingo and Lucia are:
Rita Quiteria Lopez y Solis, married to Calletano Padilla
Their children were:
Mariana Claudia Padilla (married 3 times)
Augustina Rosa Padilla, married to Jose Eufracio Ponse
Their children include: Mariano Ponse, married to Maria Antonia Garcia
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18711-46842-32?cc=1874591&wc…
and Jose Luis Ponse, married to Maria Barajas
Their son is: Jose Maria Ponse (mentioned in the Dispensa with Maria Antonia Nepucena Luna).
Maria Antonia Nepucena Luna is the illegitimate daughter of: Maria Lucia Luna (also known as Celia) and her birth is actually registered mistakenly in the Burials:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-72717-14?cc=1874591&wc…
Maria Lucia Luna (widow of Jose Pioquinto Velasco with whom she had several other children) is the daughter of:
Marcelo Antonio Luna (born @ 1743 and buried 4 Feb, 1791
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-73332-11?cc=1874591&wc…
and: Rosa Vidro (Buried 7 Feb, 1803)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-72379-12?cc=1874591&wc…
I contend that: Josef Antonio Vidro (Burial on 24 May 1749 in Tenamaxtlan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18711-37442-27?cc=1874591&wc…)
and: Francisca Lopez (Burial on 23 July, 1757 in Tenamaxtlan, which mentions that she made a Testamento, but I am at a loss at how to locate this:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18711-36529-15?cc=1874591&wc…)
are the parents of Rosa Vidro and Maria Angela Lucia Vidro, Lopez, Andrade.
They are also parents of: Isabel Vidro, married to Domingo Medina
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18712-18838-28?cc=1874591&wc….
My ggggggg grandfather is "Antonio Madera" of Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. He was born aproximately around 1660 (from what I was told from other nuestros ranchos members). He passed away sometime before 1709 as this document is proof where his daughter "Manuela Madera" in matrimonio of March 2, 1709. And it states that her parents are "Antonio Madera (difunto) and Maria De La Candelaria.
http://oi59.tinypic.com/9kpag3.jpg
I cannot find the archives of difuntos of Mezquitic in the time frame of 1690 - 1710. So I don't know how my ggggggg grandfather Antonio Madera passed away. But I found ot that in 1704 there was an indigenous uprising in Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. I also know that my ggggggg grandfather had 2,000 hectares in the year 1686 was I was told by a person who resides in the City of Zacatecas and is doing heavy research of the area. He told me that he had seen the title of my ggggggg grandfather Antonio Madera as one of the original owners of Rancho Palmitos that is near Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco. And had 2,000 hectares. He stated in his comments:
"fijate que en el Archivo histórico de Zacatecas, recuerdo hace un tiempo haber visto un expediente sobre el rancho atemajac, que luego se llamò Palimitos y se remonta a 1698 y perteneciò a un señor de apellido Madera"
"Colinda con Mezquitic,
De hecho hay un racnho que pertence tanto a Mezquitic como a Valparaíso y se lama San Gerónimo, junto a él esta Palmitos."
"El documento también lo puedes enc ontrar, según vi las referencias en la Casa de la cultura Jurídica de Zacatecas, el año de 1893, cuando las compañías deslindadoras declarron baldíos los ranchos y haciendas de Valparaíso, fue el año de 1893 y el dueño del ranch mencionado era Gorgonio Navarro. Pero los primeros dueños fueron creo que Antonio Madera. A los hijos se les dio confirmación de la merced hecha en 1698. Y la superficie erq de mas de 2 mil hectáreas."
"De hecho en un trabajo de investigación que estoy realizando lo menciono, pues mi tema trata de las ahciendas en valparaíso y tuve que mencionar el dato porque se trata de la ocupación del suelo en Valparaíso. allí fue donde encontré ese dato que me sirvió."
And here is another set of comments:
"Tengo algunos datos sobre él.
De hecho tengo la escritura de cuando los madera compraron el terreno en 1698."
"el terreno donde se asentaron los Madera.
Pero no sé si después compraron otro, porque el terreno originario de los Madera (se llamaba el primer comprador Antonio Madera) fue el rancho de Palmitos que también se llamaba Atemajac."
"El 1759 compusieron el terreno para que no los invadieran los hacendados que los circundaban.
Una era la ahcienda de San Antonio de Padua y la otra era la ahcienda de Valparaíso."
Those are sets of comments that I was told by a historian of the City of Zacatecas that is doing heavy research of Zacatecas area. He told me that when he looked at the title, he wasn't allowed to photograph or make a copy. So he had to transcribe (copy) word for word typing what he read from the title onto his labtop.
When he mencions this commente: "el terreno donde se asentaron los Madera.
Pero no sé si después compraron otro, porque el terreno originario de los Madera (se llamaba el primer comprador Antonio Madera) fue el rancho de Palmitos que también se llamaba Atemajac.""
I told him that around 1720, it seems that my Madera ancestors Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Avila moved from Mezquitic to Huejuquilla and established themselves in "Rancho De Los Madera's" Blas Madera is the grandson of my ggggggg grandparents Antonio Madera/Maria De La Candelaria and the son of my gggggg grandparents Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez (Velazquez)
I am very curious as to what caused the migration of people from Mezquitic to nearby Huejuquilla around the time period of 1720's. Because I met another nuestrosranchos member whose ancestors also migrated from Mezquitic to Huejuquilla during the 1720's. I also was told by another person that the "Landa" family migrated from Mezqutic to Huejuquilla.
Did an indigenous uprising in 1704 cause it? Did my ggggggg grandfather Antonio Madera pass away sometime prior to 1709 as a result of an indigenous uprising in Mezqutic? I don't know for sure and need to check the defunto records but there aren't any in the archives during that time period.
To recap:
My ggggggg parents:
Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709?)/Maria De La Candelaria (Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico)
Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734)/Josepha Basquez (Velazquez) (Minillas, Mezquitic)
Blas Madera / Maria Theresa Abila (Moved to Huejuquilla???)
Francisco Madera (1723 - 1790)Rancho De Los Maderas / Maria Leocadia Huizar (1733 - 1813) Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco)
Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera (1762 - 1820)Rancho Maderas / Maria Josepha? (Geronima Fernandez?)
Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)/Maria Dimas De La Paz (1819 -?)
Calixto Madera (1853? - 1923) Jimulco, Cerro Blanco / Maria Clemencia Madera (Rancho Maderas)
Antonio Madera Madera (1893 - ?)Jimulco / Maria Jesus Escalante
Hi Primos,for the many descendants from this site of Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo, I came across Juan Simon Duran's defuncion record. Can someone make out his testament. I can see he died 11/12/1673 at age of 80+ and he left as executors, "su mujer y a Juan Duran y Nicolas Duran sus hijos"
Can someone make out the rest of the document?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-181-44?cc=1804458&wc=M…
Also, does anyone have information on his parents or European origins?
Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado
From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:14 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Free DNA Presentation - Las Trampas Land Grant and the Founding Families
Hello,
I would like to invite you to attend a free DNA presentation on Las Trampas Land Grant and the Founding Families on September 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more information, please contact Angel
Best Regards,
Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project
