some unusual marriage records i came accross today

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-14267-72?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-13289-90?cc=1874591&wc…

i know i haven't been update guadalajaradispensas that often but i haven't given up on indexing yet. right now i'm making progress indexing the third part of the 1834 marriage records part 3, and the link above are two different ones i just came about a bit ago and decided to share since they were a bit off and for the first link, i'm not sure why the couple needed the dispensation.

Introduction

I have recently joined the group and want to take this opportunity to
introduce myself. My name is Sheila Prader and I have several ancestors
from Jalisco, including Los Altos de Jalisco. Some of my locations are
Venustiano Carranza (San Gabriel), Sayula, Etzatlan, Arandas, Ayo el Chico,
Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ocotlan.

Some of my Jalisco surnames are Mojica, Guerrero, Ramos, Cano, Romero y
Chaves, Hernandez Gamino, Martin del Campo, Plasencia, Ochoa Garibai,
Vasquez, Salcedo and Acebes as well as many others.

I have done a lot of parish/diocesan record research and have some knowlege
of other record groups. I'm familiar with the compound surname system often
used in Los Altos as well as the surname fluidity I have seen others
mentioning in the archived posts. This practice of alternative surnames
used by both males and females during their lives (and in records after
their deaths, as when they are named as grandparents) also occurs in
Portuguese records and in some Spanish records as well. I am a proponent of
systematically reading entire rolls of microfilm, alternating between
baptisms, marriages and deaths in 10-year time spans, and extracting records
of anyone with the same surnames in the same time periods in order to
reconstruct related families. I learned this from George Ryskamp, for whom
I used to work as a research assistant. I don't pretend to be more than a
very lucky of student of his. The phenomenon of surname fluidity is also
something George was researching and writing about several years ago.

I also have early California ancestry and I have spent more years
reconstructing the early California lines and descendencies of others than
my own in Jalisco. I am looking forward to getting back into my own lines
and hopefully extending some into parishes in Spain and the Basque
provinces.

My work schedule will not allow me to be a constant contributor to the
mailing lists, but I will participate as I can and I look forward to
connecting con mis primos y primas.

--Sheila P.

Image Posting Test

I am posting a copy of a Baptism record on Photobucket and testing the link.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/DOCUMENTS/SandobalBea…

If you can successfully copy and paste, can someone please translate what follows Juana Ponze?

....nazio abeynte, etc.

This is the original link to FamilySearch:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16087-72629-39?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks,
Roy

General Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6

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Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Colony of La Nueva México, 1598-1848. If you would like to learn more about the history of New Mexico and how it helps in the research of family history then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 21, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

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Alba puzzle

I’ve been looking at this information about Teodoro de Alba for quite a while and it remains a puzzle to me. Perhaps because we had so little information to start with, it is difficult to trust the evidence once it appears.

One of my great grandfathers, Theodore “Dad” Alby was from Mexico. His birth name was Teodoro de Alba. The family story has it that he was born in San Juan de los Lagos, in the state of Jalisco, Mexico and crossed into the USA when he was still a teenager. His mother’s last name was Gonzales and his father’s was Alba. We don’t have their first names. He had two brothers, Francisco and Miguel. He disliked his father who he said was Spanish and abandoned the family. His mother then took the children to live with her parents. We have no family letters, photos or other documents to verify any of this information. He died several years before I was born and his children have long since passed as well.

When Teodoro applied for citizenship in the 1930s, he stated that he was born on Nov. 9, 1856 and crossed the border at Laredo, Texas in July 1876. For the next 15 years we he is said to have been a cowboy on various ranches in Texas. In 1891, he married my g-grandmother in Bonham, Texas, and the remainder of his life is pretty well documented.

With guidance from Joseph, Armando and other on NR, I searched through microfilm of Catholic parish records from Mexico and found two documents of interest. The first records a christening dated 28 Nov. 1858 for Teodora, a daughter born twenty days earlier to Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. The second is a marriage record dated June 17, 1876 for Teodoro de Alba, 18 years of age, whose parents are also Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. This was long before sex change operations, so it seems most likely to me that the priest made a mistake and these two documents refer to the same person. Also, if you compute Teodora's birth date to 20 days before Nov 28 it would be Nov. 8, just one day off from Nov. 9, the day my g-grandfather listed as his birthday on his immigration papers.

Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales also appear in other church records indicating they had two other sons, Jose Miguel de Alba and Francisco de Alba. This aligns with our family story of Teodoro having two brothers named Francisco and Miguel.

It is possible that I'm grasping at straws here, and this Teodoro/a is unrelated to my ancestor. However, I have found no other record of his existence in Mexico. And, I have seen enough errors in census and other official records to know that pretty much any mistake is possible. So what do you think? Did the priest make a mistake? Do enough facts line up to constitute a "preponderance of evidence". How likely is this to be my Mexican family?

Please excuse my lousy translations (and feel free to correct). And thanks for looking,
Steve Compton

Christening Record for Teodora de Alva
Ledesema, Jalisco, Mexico
En la Iglesia de Ledesema, en la parroquia de Ojuelos, en veinte ocho de Noviembre, de mil ocho ciento ciencuenta y ocho, yo el Presbitero Don Sebastian Merondo, con licencia parroco, bautise solemnemente a Teodora de veinte dias a las tres de la tarde en Palo-alto, hija legitima de Anatascio de Alva y de Mariana Gonsales. Abuelos paternos Antonio de Alva y Feliciana Jaime. Abuelos maternos Relles Gonsales y Sanjuana Guzman fueron sus Padrinos Dario de Alva y Isabel Jamie a quienes adverti su obligacion y para que conste lo firme,
Sebastian Merondo

Translation:
In the Church of Ledesma, parish of Ojuelos, on the 28th of November, 1858, I the priest Don Sebastian Merondo, with parish license, solemnly baptize Teodora, born 20 days ago at three in the afternoon in Palo Alto, legitimate daughter of Anastasio Alva and of Mariana Gonsales. Paternal grandparents Antonio de Alva and Feliciana Jaime. Maternal grandparents Relles (Reyes) Gonsales and Sanjuana Guzman. The godparents Dario de Alva and Isabel Jamie who were advised of their obligations and witnessed by my signature,
Sebastian Merondo

Marriage record for Teodoro de Alva
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
En las ciudad de San Juan a siete de Junio de mil ochociento setenta y seis, yo el Presbitero Don Tebronio Ponce, Teniente de Cura de esta parroquia, con licencia del San Cural, habiendose practicado la correspondente informacion matrimonial, precedida que fueron tres amonestaciones en los dias veinticinco, veintiseis de Marzo, y dos de Abril de presente ano, de que no result impedimiento alguno, habiendo confesado y comulgado e instruidos en los doctrinas cristianas, case y vele infaccie ecclecial al Teodoro de Alva, originario y vecino de esta feligresia en el rancho de Frujillos, soltero de diesyocho anos de edad; hijo legitimo de Anastasio de Alva, difunto y de Mariana Gonzales que vive. Con Ysabel Guerrero, originaria de la feligr’ de Jalos en el rancho de Labor de Abalsa y vecina de esta Fruqillos hace cuatro anos, celibe de dies y nueve anos de edad hija natural de Maria Jorge Placencia que vive, fueron sus padrinos Francisco de Alva y Proniacia Peones; y testigos Don Elieco Gallardo e Yldefonzo Gutierres, lo que para constancia firme con el San Cural,
Sr. Jacinto Reynosa

Translation:
In the city of San Juan (de los Lagos) on June 7, 1876, I the priest Don Febronio Ponce, deputy (or interim) priest of this parish, with license of holy church, three admonitions that were preceded on the 25th of March and 2nd of April of this year that resulted in no impediment whatsoever, having confessed and received communion and instructed in Christian doctrines, marry and ensure in the presence of the congregation Teodoro de Alba, native and resident of this parish in the Frujillos ranch, a single man 18 years of age, legitimate son of Anastasio de Alva, deceased and Mariana Gonzales, living, with Isabel Guerrero, native of the parish of Jalos in the Labor of Abalsa ranch and resident of this parish for four years, virgin 19 years of age, natural daughter of Maria Jorge Placencia, living. The marriage godparents are Francisco de Alva and Proniacia Peones; and witnesses Don Elieco Gallardo and Idelfonzo Gutierres. Witnessed by the signature of the holy church,
Sr. Jacinto Reynosa

Valades or Macias Valades?

I have been studying the Macias Valades family, and have found this family which is causing some confusion.

Juan Valades (1st) m. Maria Rebollo (or Lopez Rebollo) and had at least two children:
--Juan Valades (2nd), no baptism found, but I estimate his birth as 1646/51, most likely in Aguascalientes
--Nicolas Valades, baptized 24 Jul 1652 in Aguascalientes

Juan Valades (2nd) married twice (1) Nicolasa de Castaneda, 23 Feb 1671, Aguascalientes and (2) Maria Romo de Vivar, 4 Feb 1690, in Aguascalientes.

By (1) Nicolasa, he had
--Juana Valades, buried 11 Jun 1743, in Aguascalientes, wife of Miguel Altuna

By (2) Maria, he had
--(i) Joseph Manuel Valades, bapt. 20 Apr 1694,
--(ii) Isidro Valades, bapt. 9 Jun 1700,
--(iii) Juan Valades (3rd), bapt. 16 Dec 1702, and
--(iv) Joseph Joaquin Valades, b. abt 1620, and who married Maria del Carmen Jimenez, 29 Dec 1744. All baptisms and marriages are in Aguascalientes.

(iv) Joseph Joaquin Valades and Maria del Carmen Jimeenez had a daughter, Maria Antonia Valades, who married Jose Antonio Zermeno on 13 Jul 1768, in Aguascalientes.

The baptismal and marriage records consistently use only the surname "Valades," but there are some posted genealogies that use the surname "Macias Valades," but provide no explanation. They also do not go further back than Juan (1st) Valades.

I cannot yet place Juan Valades (who m. Maria Rebollo) anywhere as a descendant of Blas Macias (or Macias Valades).

Can anyone offer any insight?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Finding your Roots on PBS

Thanks Maria for your work on this program. My wife and I have been
enjoying this series. I recently saw Aaron Sanchez's family story on this
program and enjoyed it very much. It was good to see some Mexican ancestry
featured on television. Looking forward to more of your work.
Juan Manuel Carrillo

Padrones 1639 - 1775

I was at the LDS Center tonight to view some of the Padrones of Microfilm Number 0168804.
I saw Juchupila and Jalpa of year 1769. But I only made copy of the title page and page one of the list of people:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/dox5cx.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2qusm5l.jpg

And here is title page of Monterrey year 1725 and 1745:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/20auyyq.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/234ms4.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/24bop38.jpg

Website Technical Problems

Dear Nuestros Ranchos users, you may have noticed that there are a number of errors popping up on the site as of late. This is due to an upgrade by our web server provider that has made our server incompatible with the software running this site. We have been exploring the upgrading of the software for some time and know what it will require. Please be patient while we complete the upgrade and resolve these issues. We will communicate a more definite schedule once we have one.

Estimados usuarios de Nuestros Ranchos, se habrán dado cuenta de que hay una serie de errores que aparecen en el sitio recientemente. Esto se debe a una actualización efectuada por nuestro proveedor de servidor web que ha hecho que nuestro servidor sea incompatible con el software que se ejecuta en este sitio. Hemos estado explorando la actualización del software por algún tiempo y sabemos lo que requerirá. Por favor, les pedimos paciencia mientras completamos la actualización y resolvemos estos problemas. Les comunicaremos un horario más definida una vez que tengamos uno.

FW: Finding Your Roots

From: mcortez [mailto:mcortez3@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 6:41 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Fwd: Finding Your Roots

Hi Joseph,

I tried sending the e-mail below to the general list, but I don't see it out there. Any idea why it didn't post?

Maria

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Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM
Subject: Finding Your Roots
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Hello fellow Nuestros Ranchos members,

If you haven't been watching the second Season of Finding Your Roots, now is the time to tune in. It airs on Tuesday nights at 8 pm Pacific Time on your local PBS Station.

I was hired to research Jessica Alba's paternal ancestry and that show will air on November 25th. Those of you who have ancestors from Jerez, Zacatecas may find that you are related to Jessica. While working on this project I discovered that Nuestros Ranchos own, Linda Castañon Long, is Jessica's cousin!

I also worked on another upcoming guest's family tree. I don't have any details as to when that show will air. It may be part of Season 3. This particular guest has roots in Guanajuato and Mexico City. I will post an update when I find out the schedule.

Maria Cortez

Sacramento, CA

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Escrituras/Tierras Microfilm 1691 - 1696

I am still viewing the microfilm no. 0169054, which is Escrituras/Tierras of the years 1691 - 1738. I spent over 5 hours at the LDS Center yesterday Saturday. I have viewed 3/4 of the film now. After the first 1/4 of the film "Hacienda Palomas" of Juchipila is where it starts and after 300 pages it still is about "Hacienda Palomas." But where the documents seem to be written is in "La Cathedral de La Ciudad De Zacatecas" A lot of pages on "Ciudad Zacatecas."

Many of those pages are signed by "Antonio De Miranda." I made some random copies to show you his signature and it seems like he was Governor:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/5bris.jpg

Here is a signature:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2iav69g.jpg

This is what he looks like when I looked him up on the internet for a painting:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2vwy0l1.jpg

And as I was reading many of the pages, on one line that caught my attention is "rodeo" Seems like they had rodeos back then in 1696. I underlined it in green and it says something about "ganados en los rodeos"

http://oi57.tinypic.com/5y5czn.jpg

I jotted some names down that I saw while I was reading:

Ignacio Navarrette (year 1680)
Capitan Melchor Martinez (year 1688)
Capitan Juan De Renelis, Diego Arratia (year 1693)
Juan Bautista De Avila "Espanol"
Joseph Garcia De La Cruz "Espanol" 44 anos
Joseph De Alba "Espanol"
Ignacio De Acevedo Guzman (year 1693)
Sebastian Velazquez (year 1696)

I have 1/4 left to view the film to view. But even when I am done viewing this film? I will order two microfilms on Testamentos that I want to see:

Testamentos 1659 - 1843 microfilm no. 169027
Testamentos 1722 - 1752 microfilm no. 169031

Research Digest, Vol 106, Issue 7

Rodeo = round-up

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>> Andelmo Perez

Nicolas Macias and Thomas Macias

About four years ago there was a query posted at NR concerning the parents of these brothers: Nicolas and Thomas Macias. I have a little more information than was posted then.

Nicolas married Josepha de Alvarado 21 Feb 1662, in Agascalientes. She was the daughter of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz Lopes de Elisalde.

Thomas married Maria Lopez de Elisalde 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.

Josepha and Maria are sisters. Their baptismal records have not been found.

There are two dispensations that provide some clues:

(1) Nicolas Macias de Esparza and Gertrudis Macias de Esparza (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1729-31, film 168114, starting at image 8), Jan 17, 1730. Their respective fathers, Pedro Macias and Onofre Macias, are stated to be first cousins, but more detail is not given, although Pedro's and Onofre's parents can be identified from other baptism and marriage records.

(2) Salvador Macias and Maria Macias (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1733-34, film 168055, images 30-35), 1734. They have similar descent as in the previous dispensation, and this dispensation states that Pedro's father is Thomas Macias, and Onofre's father is Nicolas Macias, and they are brothers, but the name of the father is not given.

I have not found other documents that would name the father of Nicolas and Thomas.

There is an internet genealogy that gives their parents as Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa de Villegas, but sources are given. A look in Family Search for these parents shows a son, Nicolas, baptized in Aguascalientes Jul 7, 1621 (godparents are from Lagos); and the death of Pedro Sep 22, 1649 in Aguascalientes (the death records names his spouse). There is also a daughter, Beatriz, baptized Jan 2, 1619 in Aguascalientes. As is typical for the period, the church records give little additional information.

No marriage record was found for Pedro and Luisa in either Aguascalientes of Jalisco. The Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations do not exist for this early period.

This Nicolas (b 1621) seems to be too old to be the Nicolas who is Thomas's brother: The latter Nicolas was married in 1662, Aguascalientes, which suggests he may be been born about 1637 (assuming 25 years old at marriage). If Nicolas (b. 1621) is the brother, his last known child was born when he would have been 64 years old, not impossible, but unlikely. Thus Nicolas (b. 1621) is most likely the wrong Nicolas.

Does anyone have references that would indicate the parents of Nicolas and Thomas Macias?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Research Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5

Yes, Parras is the oldest surviving winemaking enterprise in the Americas. It is a small town with a very nice weather, very good wine and very calm.

BM

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Rio de la Loza (Rio y Loza)

Estimados miembros,

He estado trabajando con la linea de los Río y de la Loza, específicamente Mateo Río y de la Loza (casado con Ana Vazquez de Mercado y Tapia en Jerez, Zacatecas). Encontré en varios arboles en linea asegurando que sus padres fueron Gaspar del Río y de la Loza y Maria Rodriguez de Gordejuela. O sea que Mateo seria hermano de Rodrigo de Rio y Loza. Ya encontré el testamento de Rodrigo (fechado en la estancia de Santiago, 1604) donde menciona el nombre de sus padres, y el nombre de varios hermanos y hermanas; pero no se hace mención de Mateo. Ahora mi pregunta: ? Alguien sabe cual es la fuente documental para asegurar que Mateo también es hijo de Gaspar (Río de la Loza) y Maria (Rodriguez de Gordejuela)?. Agradeciendo de antemano cualquier información

Susana

Dear members,

I have been working with the line of the Rio de la Loza specifically Mateo Rio de la Loza (married to Ana Vazquez de Mercado y Tapia in Jerez, Zacatecas). I found several trees online stating that his parents were Gaspar del Rio y Loza and Maria Rodriguez y Gordejuela. Would mean that Mateo's brother was Rodrigo Rio de la Loza. Since I found the will of Rodrigo (dated in Estancia de Santiago, 1604) which mentions the name of his parents, and the name of several brothers and sisters; but no mention is done of Mateo. Now my question: Does anyone know what is the source to ensure that Mateo is also the son of Gaspar (Rio de la Loza) and Maria (Rodriguez Gordejuela)?. Thanking you for any information

Susana

1650 Bautizos Jerez Zacatecas

Hola,

Este mensaje es para aquellos miembros que estan investigando en Jerez, Zacatecas. Encontre algunos bautizos en el microfilm de entierros (Film # 440986 Entierros 1650-1732; 1799-1802). Las primeras 50 imagenes son bautizos de 1649 y 1650. Las primeras 5 o 6 paginas es un listado que parece ser bautizos o confirmaciones y despues de este listado estan los bautizos.

Suerte

Susana

hi,

This post is for members who are researching in Jerez, Zacatecas. I found some baptisms in the burials microfilm (Film # 440986 Entierros 1650-1732; 1799-1802). The first 50 images are baptisms of 1649 and 1650. The first 5 or 6 pages is a list that seems baptisms or confirmations and after this list are the baptisms

Good luck

Susana

MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ Y GREGORIA JOSEPHA DE LA PUENTE

Aun sigo atorada con mi linea familiar...
Los ultimos datos que tengo es que Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE casada con de Miguel RODRIGUEZ y sus hijos: Eugenio y Pedro ygnacio entre 1730 a 1740.

Ellos vivian en de Valle de Huejucar aunque los registros estan en Santa Maria Mecatabasco.
Eugenio y Pedro Ignacio se van a vivir a Yahualica, Jalisco en 1777 aproximadamente.

Al parecer Gregoria se vuelve a casar con un Miguel MARTINEZ entre 1740 y 1750 y sus hijos son Maria Antonia Martina y Maria Ildefonsa, vivian en San vicente y sus registros estan igual en Santa Maria Mecatabasco.

No tengo ningun matrimonio de Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE, alguien que me ayude...

Gracias!!
Veronica Rodriguez

Fw: Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Daniel, Jaime, Carolyn, et al

There is no doubt that this is an important piece of the puzzle. It links Antonio de Castañeda to his grandparents Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor and adds a few more bits of information to the Castañeda legacy. The Dispensa Matrimonial you provided confirms that Antonio de Castañeda was indeed the son of Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Moriano, and a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda. Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82663-43?cc=1874591&wc…

As soon as I get some time I'll follow up with more details on the Castañeda from Sierra de Pinos. So far I haven't been able to find any info. on Blas Nieto, the legitimate brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor. The oldest Nieto in my database is Pedro Nieto Corona, who married María de Castañeda ca.1676. I haven't identified her parents, but feel pretty certain that she belongs to the same Castañeda family from Sierra de Pinos.

Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Bill, Jaime, Carolyn et. al.
I believe I have found another piece of the puzzle with the Castañeda family. The following: In a dispensa that can be found for the years 1710-1712, image 489 we find the following information:

Sierra de Pìnos - Nicolás de Castañeda y María Gómez Ruíz

It mentions that Nicolás is a native of Sierra de Pinos as well as María Gómez. They share a 4th and 3rd degree of consanguinity. He is the son of Antonio de Castañeda and Tomasa de Carrión; she is the daughter of Matías Gómez and Isabel Ruíz; The genealogy is not fully mentioned, the only information the witnesses give is that both are "bisnietos de dos hermanos carnales"
According to the dispensation, Antonio de Castañeda is the grandson of Pedro de Castañeda and María Gómez is the great grandaughter of Jacinta de Sotomayor. It also mentions that Jacinta was a sister to Blas Nieto. My question is the following: is Blas Nieto somehow related to the Nieto Corona family? This would put all these individuals at the beginning to the first quarter of the XVII century in Aguascalientes-Pinos region.
I hope this will shed forth even more light on this genealogy,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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FW: Anthropolo​gical Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:05 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropolo​gical Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity. If you would like to learn more about the Castas system and its role on Identity through the analysis of genetic genealogy then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 7 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program. The class number is 19486.

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P.S. For more information contact Angel.