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Dear Somos Primos Readers:

Thank you all for your contributions of personal cuentos, historical tidbits, and great assortment of articles. It is always an adventure opening up my mail.

You will notice a new category in this issue, Heritage Projects, directly under the United States category.

It is my hope that if you are starting a heritage related project, such as a family reunion, locating and identifying a historic site, promoting the contributions of an individual or organization that you will send the information along and let other know what you are doing. We would like to share your efforts with readers. You may be starting a project which could encourage others, or even attract assistance in fulfilling your goal.

As I was preparing the issue, I received a call from Tony Zapata, sharing some good news. Tony had completed arrangements on a building in Los Angeles for handicapped veterans, to named after Guy Gabaldon, WWII hero. The dedication of the building will be November 6th. I put Tony in touch with Steve Rubin, producer of the documentary East L.A. Marine, the true story of Guy Gabaldon. Steve will be assisting in the text for the plaque and press releases, etc.

Please let us know what you are doing in your community to share the historic contributions of your primos or heroes.

The front page in the August issue is a 1980 poster by the well-known work of artist Ignacio Gomez. The poster is a reminder that Hispanic Heritage Month is from September 15 to October 15. Hopefully, you will find some ways in which you can celebrate your Latino heritage.

Let me suggest that you request your City Council to make a public proclamation recognizing Hispanic Heritage Month. Call your mayor's office and ask how it is done in your city.

The NCLR conference and Family Expo was outstanding. You will see some photos and comments in this issue and also in the upcoming September issue.

Please keep sending your cuentos. Under Family History, I've included some reactions to every day items which provoked a response from me.
Hope you enjoy them and it gives you a nudge to send a little cuento on items that you have saved for some reason.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
NCLR 2014 Conference, Reflections
What we owe our Tejano ancestors and their descendants by Jose Antonio Lopez
Cuento: The Price of California Admission to Statehood by Galal Kernahan Just for NALIPsters: Matador Sneak Peak Laus Deo! Do You know what it means?
Some Familiar Faces: Two minutes, nine seconds, don't miss it!!!!
Universities Seeking submissions from Latina/os in Political and Social Issues Mexican born law professor Cuellar chosen for California Supreme Court,
Mariano-Florentino Cuellar
Julián Castro Confirmed as U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development!
A rejection letter from Disney,1938: “Women do not do any of the creative work
Cuento: Moctesuma Esparza honors his dad -- Don Francisco!
Cuento: Message from Alma Morales Riojas WWII Crimes Archive Opens by Brett Zongker Honor Flight

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Preparing for Hispanic Heritage Month by Mimi Lozano Preserving our past in the proof of Spanish horse's DNA by Robin Collins Honoring Bernardo de Galvez by Joseph D. Perez Chicano Marine, Guy Gabaldon Statue by Mimi Lozano New project for 'Longoria Affair' filmmaker Valadez by Daisy Wanda Garcia 4th Annual Pilgrimage in honor of Sor Maria de Agreda by Jerry Javier Luján The Needle and the Thread, documentary in production, by Victor Mancilla

HISTORIC TIDBITS
The Genesis of Today's Illegal Alien's Crisis Past can help solve border crisis Commentary by Richard A. Marini Mexican folk hero shoots Brownsville marshal, Texas Day by Day, July 13,
1859

HISPANIC LEADERS
Tito Monsalvo Fernandez, Jr. Member of the Order of Granaderos y Damas de Galvez Tomas C. Atencio, a leader in the formation of NCLRct. 2, 1932 . . . . .
July16, 2014
Lorenzo Santos Luera, California State Past LULAC President John O. Leal, Historian/Archivist Bejar County Archives Ten Year Anniversary of Death

LATINO PATRIOTS
Calif. Judge Helps Rediscover Latinos' Place In Military History By Bill Vourvoulias
Cuento: Night Vision Training, pg. 13 by Daniel L. Polino Historic flying machine that aided in winning WW-2 both in the Pacific and Atlantic Women Killed in War on Terror

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Cuento: Tejano Patriot, Tomas Del Toro by Gilbert Villerreal
Cuento: July 4, 2014, Order of Granaderos y Damas de Galvez, 30th Annual July 4th Ceremony July 29: Bernardo de Galvez (1746-1786) Conde de Gálvez, presented by
Miguel Angel Fernandez de Mazarambroz, Consul General of Spain in Mexico

SURNAMES:
Orozco: From Vizcaya to Aguascalientes by John P. Schmal

DNA
Could Thomas Jefferson's DNA Trail Reveal Middle-Eastern Origins?
The Race of Sephardic Jews

FAMILY HISTORY
FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah's First Year at an NCLR Conference, by Mimi Lozano California State Genealogical Alliance Has a Presence in the Person of Cathy Luijt August 27th-30th: Federation of Genealogical Societies Conference, Gone To Texas AARP National Memoir Contest FamilySearch Announces International Indexing Challenge Objects and Items Can Provoke Memories by Mimi Lozano

EDUCATION
Thank a Teacher! The birth of California's Day of the Teacher by Dina Martin Academia de Arte Yepes

CULTURE
Murals Under the Stars 2014 by Gregorio Luke The Legendary Jesus Helguera Photo Gallery Why Destino Is Not Fatalism, Pgs. 81-83, Juana Bordas Enjoy, Exploring Colonial Mexico

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
First Place History book in International Latino Book Awards goes to Carlos B. Vega. Ph.D.
Honorable Mention to Juana Borda and The Power of Latino Leadership Naldo and His Magical Scooter, by Armando B. Rendón, second place young adult.
NBC News: Growing Int'l Latino Book Awards Reflect Booming Market Report by Kirk Whisler Latino Literacy Now’s International Latino Book Awards Check out new writings in May-June Somos en Escrito Magazine

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
August 2 & 3, 2014: "Civil War Days"
"Red Boy Productions"

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:23 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Coronado & Spanish Exploratio​n of the Southwest

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Coronado & Spanish Exploration of the Southwest. If you would like to learn more about the mark this expedition made on the American Southwest then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on August 22 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=64861&int_category_id=18&int_sub_category_id=264&int_catalog_id=0

Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

P.S. For more information contact Angel

Hello fellow members,

I'm so glad to have found this group for our little area in Nueva Galicia
and have enjoyed my genealogy research for some time. However, I've done
my best to trace back my family line on my own but have hit a discouraging
road block. It's time to reach out for help and hopefully other's have
followed this same family line. The references below are all from El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

I've researched my father's line (grandfather is GARCIA and grandmother
GONZALEZ). However, the furthest I've reached for certain is Fernando
Fermin Garzia (born El Sagrario, Aguas, 8/25/1754 and Christened 9/15/1754,
married to MARIA ANTONIA ABAD ALONZO VERNALES DE LOS YNOJOS on 3/26/1794).
However DE LOS YNOJOS confuses me because I believe (not sure) that
FERNANDO FERMIN's father was JOSEPH MANUEL GARZIA who married MARIA
ANTONIETA ALONSO DE LOS YNOJOS, on 4/16/1752. Did Fermin marry a
half-sister?

Going further back, (the rest of this line back i'm not confident) JOSEPH
MANUEL GARZIA father was CARLOS GARCIA (baptized 12/1/1705) married JUAN
ARIAS (baptized 5/3/1711) on 2/5/1729. If this information is correct, the
last (stumbling block) information I have is that CARLOS's birth parents
were JOSEPH GARCIA and JOSEPHA FERNANDEZ (Ortis?). I have no information
about dates or where Joseph and Josepha were born/married. This has been
my dead end for MONTHS!

Any assistance or guidance (or education) would GREATLY be appreciated.
I've seen success other's have had here, but have always been reluctant.
But I have nothing to lose, but everything to gain.

Thanks again and sorry for the convoluted story!

Jorge

updated my Family Tree on rootsweb.com/ This is a free website.

My Tree is called
DE LEON AND CARLOS FAMILY TREE under "Jalisco Families"

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Jose Carlos de Leon

This link is very helpful in reading records in Spanish.

https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Spanish_Extraction_Guide/Defaul…

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1. Need help reading baptismal cert (mayangrl@sonic.net)
2. Segovia Bapt Cert (mayangrl@sonic.net)
3. Need help reading baptismal cert (rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com)
4. Re: Need help reading baptismal cert (IChristopher)
5. Esteban de Aguiar y Quiroa (IChristopher)
6. Re: Need help reading baptismal cert (Alice Blake)
7. Re: Need help reading baptismal cert
(Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino)
8. Re: Marcos de Moctezuma
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:48:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: mayangrl@sonic.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert
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Hi,

I'm trying to decipher the child's maternal grandfather's name. Something
Rodriguez. Also the rancho.

It's the one on the bottom right. Jose Margarito.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15049-20544-78?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks.
Laura Gonzalez

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segovia Bapt Cert
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Is the paternal grandmother Gertrudis?

Laura Gonzalez

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:11:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert
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Laura--

The paternal grandparents are Rafael Segovia & Gertrudis Ramires, and the
maternal grandparents are Santana Rodriguez & Barbara Sanches.

Rosalinda

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:09:23 -0700
From: IChristopher
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert
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Hi Laura,

It looks like it says he was born in Santa Fe and the grandfather's name is
Santana Rodriguez.

Christopher de Cuellar

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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:48 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert

Hi,

I'm trying to decipher the child's maternal grandfather's name.? Something
Rodriguez.? Also the rancho.

It's the one on the bottom right. Jose Margarito.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15049-20544-78?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks.?
Laura Gonzalez

Hi,

I'm trying to decipher the child's maternal grandfather's name. Something Rodriguez. Also the rancho.

It's the one on the bottom right. Jose Margarito.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15049-20544-78?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks.
Laura Gonzalez

Hola Members y Primos , I am a bit lost. I Have a
Jose Munoz married to Margarita Ramirez feb.03 1823,San Juan de los lagos
Matrimonios de San Juan de los Lagos -Year 1797-1823,Image # 604.
Jose Munoz-Parents -Ygnacio Munoz and Ygnacia Hurtado.
I cannot find Ygnacio Munoz and Ygnacia Hurtados acta de Matrimonio de San Miguel el Alto of Jan. 09,1786 . I am trying to find out there parents. I have a (Ygnacio Munoz) An Antonio Munoz de Nava and Gertrudis Ramirez de Hermosillo or(same person) Paula Gertrudis Garcia de Hermosillo. (Ygnacia Hurtado ) I have Cayetano Hurtado and Maria Munoz.
Now I also have for Ygnacia Hurtado Parents-Julio Cayetano Hurtado and Maria de los Dolores Maltide Macias-Valdez. Don't know which any of this info is correct Margarita Ramirez (the wife of Jose Munoz ) Parents -Quirono or Quilino Ramirez and Maria Ynes Pedroza.-These two individuals came out in Guadalajara Dispensas-Film # 168095 Image # 1682,but film is not there to investigate.I hope I have made myself understand able cause I barely understand .Ronnie

Here is a message I received from a person looking for their living
relatives. If anyone would like to help this person please email me and I’ll
put you both in contact with each other: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

My father passed away and my mother took his ashes to his hometown in
Guadalajara Mexico. She was going to take me there but she passed away
suddenly and now I don't know how to get there to visit his side of the
family. I need help to find them.

Aquí hay un mensaje que he recibido de una persona buscando a sus parientes
vivos. Si alguien quiere ayudar a esta persona por favor envíeme un correo
electrónico y voy a poner a ambos en contacto: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

Falleció mi padre y mi madre llevó sus cenizas a su ciudad natal en
Guadalajara México. Ella iba a llevarme allá pero falleció repentinamente y
ahora no sé cómo llegar a visitar el lado de la familia de mi padre.
Necesito ayuda en ayarlos.

joseph

I also have lots of family Guadalajara . I visit Guadalajara twice a year. I'm sure my family and I will be willing to help!
Ed Luna

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> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:43:05 -0400
> From: "Joseph Puentes"
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteer for Some Guadalajara Research:
> Living Relatives/Voluntarios para algunas investigaciones de
> Guadalajara: parientes vivos
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Here is a message I received from a person looking for their living
> relatives. If anyone would like to help this person please email me and I?ll
> put you both in contact with each other: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
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> My father passed away and my mother took his ashes to his hometown in
> Guadalajara Mexico. She was going to take me there but she passed away
> suddenly and now I don't know how to get there to visit his side of the
> family. I need help to find them.
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> Aqu? hay un mensaje que he recibido de una persona buscando a sus parientes
> vivos. Si alguien quiere ayudar a esta persona por favor env?eme un correo
> electr?nico y voy a poner a ambos en contacto: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
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> Falleci? mi padre y mi madre llev? sus cenizas a su ciudad natal en
> Guadalajara M?xico. Ella iba a llevarme all? pero falleci? repentinamente y
> ahora no s? c?mo llegar a visitar el lado de la familia de mi padre.
> Necesito ayuda en ayarlos.
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> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:52:43 -0500
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteer for Some Guadalajara
> Research: Living Relatives/Voluntarios para algunas investigaciones de
> Guadalajara: parientes vivos
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> Joseph, I have lots of relatives living in Guadalajara and I can have
> contact with them to help. Please let this person know that I may be able
> to help.
>
> Thank you,
> Esther Jordan
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>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>>
>> Here is a message I received from a person looking for their living
>> relatives. If anyone would like to help this person please email me and
>> I?ll
>> put you both in contact with each other: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My father passed away and my mother took his ashes to his hometown in
>> Guadalajara Mexico. She was going to take me there but she passed away
>> suddenly and now I don't know how to get there to visit his side of the
>> family. I need help to find them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Aqu? hay un mensaje que he recibido de una persona buscando a sus parientes
>> vivos. Si alguien quiere ayudar a esta persona por favor env?eme un correo
>> electr?nico y voy a poner a ambos en contacto: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Falleci? mi padre y mi madre llev? sus cenizas a su ciudad natal en
>> Guadalajara M?xico. Ella iba a llevarme all? pero falleci? repentinamente y
>> ahora no s? c?mo llegar a visitar el lado de la familia de mi padre.
>> Necesito ayuda en ayarlos.
>>
>> joseph
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From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:23 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropolo​gical Genetic Genealogy: The Rus and the Rurik Dynasty

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Rus and the Rurik Dynasty. If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the world then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on August 1 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program. The class number is 19489.

To register for this Osher class go to the following link:

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or

* Call: 505-277-0077, press option 1
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Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

P.S. For more information contact Angel

Deseo saber si alguien sabe si además de Lope Ruiz de Esparza y sus padres vinieron otros Ruiz de Esparza de España en los años siguientes y siglos siguientes.
Saludos, José Ruiz de Esparza

BUANAS DIAS A TODOS

tengos muchas dudas

salvador esparza se caso con franca xaviera de luna en 1734
el hijo de diego de esparza y maria de la torre
y este diego hijo de ignacio ruiz de esparza y de( ines garcia (pendiente )
y este ignacio ruiz de esparza hijo de martin ruiz de esparza y de (francisca sotelo jaen) (pendiente)
y este martin es hijo de martin ruiz de esparza hermano de lorenza ruiz de esparza casada con luis de tiscareño.

el punto es que nose si estas son las parejas correctas:

salvador de esparza y franca xaviera de luna matrimonio 1734

diego ruiz de esparza y maria de la torre

ignacio ruiz de esparza y ines garcia matrimonio 1685

martin ruiz de esparza y francisca sotelo jaen matrimonio 1658 aguascalientes

martin ruiz de esparza y maria lopez de elizalde

es correcto esta informacion?

otro punto en esta dispensa se mencionan que martin ruiz de esparza (el hijo)tenia un hermano llamado nicolas lopez de elizalde y este a margarita lopez de elizalde casada con juan delgado y a su vez a gabriela delgado

la pregunta nicolas lopez de elizalde es hijo de martin ruiz de esparza y de maria lopez de elizalde? o es hijo de juan de luebana?

Como se ha hablado mucho en el foro sobre los descendientes de Moctezuma, les paso esta información que me llegó:

Conversando con nuestros investigadores 2014

El Archivo General de la Nación le invita a la presentación del libro "La última princesa mexica", escrito por María de los Ángeles Fernanda Olivera Belmar, descendiente del emperador Moctezuma II.

Esta obra cuenta la vida de la hija de Moctezuma, Teucichpoch Ichcaxocotl (bautizada como Ysabel Moctezuma), quien a los 23 años contaba con cinco matrimonios.
La autora, se apoyo en documentos fidedignos para su visión histórica, narrada por Ysabel, del imperio mexica y la Nueva España.

Jueves 24 de julio, 17:00 horas.

Registrarse previamente por teléfono o correo electrónico:
Tel 5133 9900, exts. 19420 y 19306
cromeroa (arroba) agn.gob.mx

Archivo General de la Nación
Eduardo Molina 113, esquina con Albañiles, (entrada por Héroe de Nacozari), colonia Penitenciaría Ampliación, delegación Venustiano Carranza, C. P. 15350, México, D. F.

Can anyone help in locating -Isidro Mercado- this is what I know of him.
He is probably related to the Mercado's that married in to the Orendain family of Magdalena Jalisco and that happened to own the Hacienda de San Andres.
This I suspect because I found a brother and a sister Mercado married to a brother and a sister Orendain.

Maria Luiza Mercado Topete married Joaquin Orendain Camacho on dec. 20 1819 (they are the parents of Zenon Orendain Mercado) Im not sure if he was the owner of the hacienda or there is another Zenon Orendain born before him, what I do know is that one of Maria Luizas and Joaquin Orendain's children were born in the Hacienda.

Jose German Feliciano Mercado Topete married Dolores Orendain Camacho Aug 30 1835

I have a verbal account from his grandson Jose Mercado Avila who passed away last year at 94 yrs of age and this is what he told me:

That Isidro lived and worked in the Hacienda de San Andres, he was a labrador.
That he was married to a Maria Ramos.
That he had a son by the name of Ciro Mercado who was born in 1880 (Jose's father).

I have looked in all the towns surrounding Magdalena with no luck and the only thing
I have been able to find on his son Ciro is a 1930 census of Guadalajara, by that
time he was married to a Francisca Avila of Magdalena and had several children.
This is what the census states:
Francisca Avila-F- 40 yrs.
Nicandro- M-20 yrs.
Julia- F-18 yrs.
Salvador- M-15 yrs.
*Jose- M-13 yrs.
Pedro- M-10 yrs.
Arcadio- M-13 yrs.
Jose Maria- M-10 yrs.

Hello,

I have a question regarding the parents of my ancestors Joseph Antonio Lopez and Casimira Antonia Romo. They were married on 03 May 1758 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Joseph Antonio Lopez is son of Cristobal Lopes and Teresa Peres, and Casimira Antonia Romo is daughter of Francisco Romo and Juana Diaz. I was looking through family search and I found two couples that seem to be my ancestors (parents of Casimria Romo) Francisco Romo and Juana Diaz. I found the baptism record of Lazaro Romo Diaz christenising on 26 Feb 1748 in Teocaltiche,Jalisco son of Francisco Romo and Juana Dias. Then I also found a baptism record of Antonia Leandra Romo Dias christenising on 06 Apr 1742 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes,Mexico daughter of Francisco Xavier Romo de Vibar and Juana Dias Montañes de Sandi. I am wondering if Francisco Romo and Juana Dias are the same Francisco Xavier Romo de Vibar and Juana Dias Montañes de Sandi. Are any of you aware of this couple and know the names of their children? If so, do any of you know the ancestry of this Francisco Xavier Romo de Vibar and Juana Dias Montañes de Sandi? The dates line up.

I also found a dispensa in the Diocesis of Guadalajara of Cristobal Lopez Velarde and Teresa Perez from Teocaltiche on 05 Jan 1728. I am wondering if this couple are the parents of Joseph Antonio Lopez. The dates also line up.

Dispensa Cristobal Lopez Velarde and Teresa Perez:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-36981-97?cc=1874591&wc…

I would sincerely appreciate your help!
Thank you!

Roberto Rosales Villalpando Jr.
Riverside,CA

Volumes 5, 6, and 7 of "Catálogo de pasajeros a Indias durante los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII" can be downloaded from Family Search. They are searchable pdf files.

Lope Ruis de Esparza is named in volume 7, in the year 1593. The entry is as follows:

2.633. LOPE RUIZ DE ESPARZA, natural de Pamplona,
soltero, hijo de Lope Ruiz de Esparza y de Ana Díaz de Eguino, a
Nueva España como criado de don Enrique de Maleón.—8 febrero.

Arturo Ramos posted an image (in 2007) of the actual document at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16295.

Volume 3 has also been digitized, but it cannot be downloaded. Volumes 1, 2 and 3 have also been microfilmed.

George Fulton

Saludos Edgar!

De hecho yo busco el mismo documento. Yo soy descendiente de Lope también
y, aunque hay muchos que dicen que Petronila desciende de linaje
Moctezuma...hasta
hoy no he encontrado tel documento.

Pero...es possible que tengo datos sobre los padres de Pedro Alonso de los
Hinojos.
Buscaré los datos este fin de semana.

Hasta pronto,
Connie

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casado con Ana Magdalena Dominguez medel el 3 Mayo 1620 en Sierra de pinos zacatecas.

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That is great that you have tested more than one close family member. Many
people see very different results when they do that. The results still
should not be take literally for the reasons I mentioned in my previous
email.

Thank you,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Art De Leon
wrote:

> thank you Armando, my DNA results are based on my mother sister DNA test,
> myself and my youngest sister. we all seem to reflect the basic findings I
> talked above. As to your question, whether I want to share my DNA, the
> answer is yes provided I am assured that by sharing you mean amongst other
> members who have had their DNA tested.
>

The time period of the FamilyTreeDNA myOrigins results can go back as far
10,000 years per a post at
http://dna-explained.com/2014/05/11/family-tree-dna-releases-myorigins/

National Geographic states that it can go back further. They use similar
equipment and the markers are compared with living people so it isn't a
case over one piece of equipment or technology over another. It has to do
with interpretation of the data

Iberians have 37% Northern European and 48% Mediterranean and 13% Southwest
Asian per National Geographic and they have the following to say about
Iberians: "This reference population is based on samples collected from
people native to Spain and Portugal. The 48% Mediterranean and 13%
Southwest Asian percentages reflect the strong influence of
agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived
here more than 8,000 years ago. The 37% Northern European component likely
comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earliest settlers,
who arrived more than 35,000 years ago during the Upper Paleolithic period.
Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while
the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe."
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

Here is an assessment of DNA obtained from ancient remains of people that
had lived in the Mesolithic and the Neolithic. The Mesolithic are more
Northern European like and the Neolithic are more Mediterranean like. This
agrees with a portion of what FTDNA and National Geographic says about the
change between the Mesolithic and the Neolithic.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/10/assessment-of-ancient-european-dna…

This PCA plot that includes the ancient remains along with modern people is
really interesting also.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fc2W-6tR-HA/Urigqts3hwI/AAAAAAAAJbg/hqZiV1TOG…

It's from
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/europeans-neolithic-farmers-mesoli…

The time period for autosomal matches is about 5 generations but there have
been cases where people have found matches that were related from previous
generations.

Armando

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM, EarthLink wrote:

> Hi Armando,
> I did my autosomal DNA and mtdna with Family tree. What time period does
> it reflect? Is it recent or over 1000 years old? Thanks. Maven200
>

we all seem to assume that we are descendant of Spain, but just like my DNA, it reveal that my blood line has a minor percentage of an Iberian marker and more with northern and eastern Europe and Eastern European Jewish, along with my native American marker. A number of my antepasados are listed as españoles or español natural, I wonder who amongst them was of jewish descent.

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Thanks you were very helpful.  could eny  of  you Gentlemen.S  tell me  where  can  i get this excellent information.

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez

Me atrevo a hacer un breve comentario , no  sin  antes  disculparme  por  mi poca  elocuencia ,  pienso  que  no  todas  la  Familias de JUD?OS SEFARD?ES fueron  expulsados con lujo de  violencia ,  claro  me  refiero a casos aislados y regularmente Familiares  muy  allegados a los  Reyes Cat?licos.  como  en  el  caso  de  los Velasco  ya  sea  de  la  linea de Gomez Cervantes de Velasco y en  la  que  me  llega  por los  Fernandez de Velasco  o  Henriquez de Velasco  primos  muy  allegados  a los  cuales  les  dieron  muy  buenas  encomiendas  en  la Nueva Espa?a  o  los  Mendoza o Figueroa de Mendoza  por  igual.  creo  que  en  el  caso  de  Jalisco  o  los  Alte?os  fue  mas  que  expulsi?n una  manera de  protegerlos de la Santa Inquisici?n y  de su  m?ximo inquisidor Tom?s de Torquemada  muchas  gracias  Atte Ignacio  Anaya Gomez     

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Asi es Ignacio,

Todo los casos son diferentes. No se la imaginacion y fascinacion que la gente tiene con  los sefardies. Lo mismo acontece cuando se menciona nobleza o hidalguia y la realeza. Algunos dicen que somos judios, otros dicen que somos arabes, otros dicen que somos indigenas, en fin depende en la genealogia de la persona. Solo porque Gomez "parece en registros de sefardies" (aun que nunca he visto tal documento, ni creo que existe) que es un apellido Gomez, no significa que todos los Gomez vienen de la misma rama. Debemos parar con estos mitos, leyendas o tradiciones orales, y enfocar el estudio con documentos fidedignos. La mayoria de la gente de los altos de Jalisco, son castellano. Lo sabemos por las genealogias son probadas exhaustivamente por mi y varios genealogistas.

Daniel MdTC
                       

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Thank you for your understanding
Armando

Way back in 2003 I tested with Ancestry. That was a big mistake. They soon went out of business so the company was no help or use for research. Now that they've started up again I don't trust them. Once burned, twice shy. I won't use them again.

I had my brother tested in 2005, this time with FamilyTreeDNA. I have been very happy with the results, the support, the matching, and the opportunity to obtain more refined tests. I also had a cousin test with FamilyTreeDNA for my mother's father's YDNA.

I tested myself with 23andMe about a year ago and have been happy with the kind of results they test for. It is different than FamilyTreeDNA as they can give you medical information as well as matching opportunities.

My advice it to know what you want, know what you can get, then use the correct testing method to get the desired results.

Linda

thank you Armando, my DNA results are based on my mother sister DNA test, myself and my youngest sister. we all seem to reflect the basic findings I talked above. As to your question, whether I want to share my DNA, the answer is yes provided I am assured that by sharing you mean amongst other members who have had their DNA tested.

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Es un  honor  que haya  tomado en  cuenta mi humilde comentario.  as? pues con referente al  mensaje anterior    ,las  personas en muchas  ocasiones  confundimos  el  mito de la realidad , pero  gracias  a  estudiosos  como usted  y  varios  compa?eros muy bien documentados  nos despejan  de  tales dudas  y  eso  de que  los  Gomez  somos todos  de  la  misma  rama  es  muy  ingenuo cualquiera  en  su  sano  juicio lo  descarta ning?n Apellido hace Jud?o  a  nadie es  parte  de las muchas pruebas que  se requieren para  ser  certificado gracias  nuevamente por su gran aportaci?n. Atte Ignacio Anaya  Gomez. 

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we all seem to assume that we are descendant of Spain, but just like my DNA, it reveal that my blood line has a minor percentage of an Iberian marker and more with northern and eastern?Europe and Eastern European Jewish, along with my native American marker. A number of my antepasados are listed as espa?oles or espa?ol natural, I wonder who amongst them was of jewish descent. 

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez

No se cuantos de ustedes ya hayan leido este informe pero se me hizo muy interesante para todos los del grupo de Nuestros Ranchos especdialmete porque la mayoria descendemos de estos sefardies. La Lista de Apellidos Sefardies en las americas incluye; Ruiz de Esparza, Macias, Hurtado, Mendoza, Avila, Gonzalez, Rodriguez, Barba, Rodriguez para mencionar solo unos cuantos de ellos. En la internet esta una lista completa de todos los apellidos.

España ofrecerá nacionalidad a judíos sefardíes

Descendientes de judíos expulsados por los Reyes Católicos en 1492 podrán beneficiarse de esta iniciativa, que ya ha provocado avalancha de solicitudes en Israel.

11febrero
2014

El Gobierno español está a punto de aprobar un anteproyecto de ley para conceder la nacionalidad española a los judíos sefardíes que justifiquen tal condición.

Esta modificación de la ley permitirá la doble nacionalidad tras acreditar su origen a través de certificado de la Federación de Comunidades Judías de España (FCJE), de consulados con certificado de la autoridad rabínica competente reconocida en su país o como consecuencia de un expediente personal, donde los propios apellidos, el idioma familiar o cualquier otro indicio probatorio así lo acredite.

La decisión ha despertado un desmesurado interés en los ciudadanos israelíes, que han desbordado con sus consultas los consulados españoles en Tel Aviv y Jerusalén. Según calculan las organizaciones sefardíes, unos 3,5 millones de personas podrían beneficiarse de esta medida.

Hasta ahora sólo podían solicitar la nacionalidad española con procedimientos lentos y farragosos, y renunciando a sus otros pasaportes. Con la aprobación de esta nueva iniciativa, que aún debe votarse en el parlamento, podrán conservar más nacionalidades aparte de la española, además de ampliar las posibilidades de certificación de las raíces sefardíes.

Muchos judíos sefardíes de Israel han comenzado a tramitar traducciones de documentos antiguos para demostrar su pasado español. Los medios israelitas han celebrado estos días esta iniciativa del Gobierno español, que en su opinión "repara un error histórico" cometido contra los judíos. Aunque el gobierno de Israel todavía no se ha pronunciado al respecto, se ve como un acto de buena fe del ejecutivo de Mariano Rajoy.

Ilustración publicada por el diario israelí Haaretz

SEFARDÍES EN AMÉRICA

América Latina podría ser una de las regiones más beneficiadas con la aprobación de este anteproyecto de ley, que permitiría la aceleración del proceso de concesión de la nacionalidad española a los descendientes de los judíos expulsados. Se calcula que en el continente existen en torno a un millón de judíos sefardíes.

¿QUÉ SON LOS JUDÍOS SEFARDÍES?

Los sefardíes son los descendientes de los judíos expulsados de España en 1492, que ordenaron los Reyes Católicos mediante el "Edicto de Granada"”. Una expulsión que puso fin a años de presencia judía en la península ibérica, que algunos historiadores datan desde el siglo II antes de Cristo. Todos los judíos fueron obligados a convertirse al catolicismo, o abandonar el reino.

Su expulsión fue consecuencia del proceso de unificación religiosa que llegó tras la unión de los reinos, con el matrimonio de Fernando II de Aragón e Isabel I de Castilla. Entonces se estableció en España el Tribunal del Santo Oficio, más conocido como la Inquisición, de la mano del dominico Tomás de Torquemada, que comenzó la persecución contra los llamados "infieles".

La mayoría de los judíos expulsados se instalaron en el norte de África, o en los estados cercanos, como el reino de Portugal, el reino de Navarra o en los estados italianos, para extenderse por toda Europa. Además de su religión, al no aceptar la conversión al catolicismo, los sefardíes guardaron muchas costumbres ancestrales y particularmente conservaron hasta nuestros días el uso de la lengua española medieval, el llamado "ladino".

Su secular convencimiento de que algún día podrían regresar a Sefarad (nombre con el que conocen a España) les ha llevado, incluso, a guardar las llaves de las casas que fueron expulsados hace más de 500 años.

Algunos historiadores aseguran que unos 200.000 judíos fueron expulsados de la península. Los que se quedaron y se convirtieron al catolicismo fueron perseguidos y juzgados por tribunales de la Inquisición para comprobar su fe.