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Sorry Victoriano, this message is for Patricia Burton. She is right about the indexes, you can never assume they are 100% accurate. For anyone reading this, I am sorry about posting it within this article and pay close attention to the name variations. Many of you already know this but for those that do not or need a reminder, always check different variations in the spelling.

Patricia,
I do not know if you are aware of these other children of Juan and Estrefania. Chances are that these are all family of Cipriana. There are probably other family members that I did not find. It looks like the family was in Octolán first and then Toluquila and finally settled in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México. Some of my family is from Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México so we might end up being cousins. Here you go this might help you.

By the way Victoriano I might end up being related to you also since I also have Sepeda's (Zepeda, Cepeda) in Coahuila also.

Name: Vicente Godines De La Torre

George a few suggestions:

Look at the marriage record of the children of Nicolas to try to narrow down his death date. His burial record might mention who his parents are, where he was born, if he “Testo” (left a will). Keep in mind that he might not have been native to Aguascalientes.

Look for the christening record of the grandchildren of Nicolas. In those records the paternal and maternal grandparents are often mentioned and if they are deceased or not. By looking at the christening records you can find out when the grandparents died pretty easily, e.g. one child is christened and grandfather and or grandmother is or are alive, next christening grandfather and or grandmother is or are dead. Now you know to look for the death(s) between those two christening dates.

You also should look at "Información Matrimonial", if you have not done so already, and not just Nicolas's marriage record to Josepha. You need to look for the children and grandchildren’s records. You never know who

I think they should be Macías-Valadés due to the time fram of early Aguascalientes.
-Daniel

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My MTDNA is A and is posted on Felix site, male Cubillos DNA is from the Balkans(I?) and Rodriguez is Q3, Robles is R1bI. All on Felix site.

Hope to see some matches.

Diversity...and it keeps on with the additions of Swedes, Norwegians and Portuguese(Azoreans) to the Robles line and other Americans of Spanish-Mexican heritage.

Alot of ancient mixing in Espana, Mexico and the US. No superior pure group. Which is wonderful!

Moctezuma was royalty. I am not related, but those who are, are royalty.

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Alicia,
If you and your brothers have the same mother, they do not need to characterized their mtDNA. Is the same yours, and also the same as your grandmother, greatgrandmother....or the sons and daughters from the female side (e.g., if your mother has a sister, her children will share your mtDNA. The analogous situation would be with the Y-chromosome. As long as their is only one father, thats all you need.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:21:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA test results

Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and

Alicia, I also am Haplo Group A but apparently we are not a match, boy, would that have been something to celebrate! 
 
Not sure if you noticed in the link section go to DNA and then Indigenous DNA.  It has a chart showing the migration patterns and the bands that make up each group including the one in Mexico.  It's at the very end of the article but very, very interesting..
 
Linda in Everett

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From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA test results
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:21 PM

Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now
join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A
which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found
among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial
lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and South America. I guess
thanks to my mother

Rachel,

I found many articles on the family tree DNA web page, however because I am not one with a high degree of medical and scientific language, it's difficult for me to understand what I'm reading in language for the common man. I will keep reading and trying to wade my way through it, and if I manage to gleen just a tidbit, well it's better than not trying at all.
Thanks again,
Alicia

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From: RaquelRuiz
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:28:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Article

I just finished reading an article some of you may find of interest: "The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula" by Susan M. Adams, et al, in the Dec. 12, 2008 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Vol. 83, pp 725-736. I don't pretend to understand all of it, but grasped enough to feel the reading worthwhile. I had to

Dear Victor:
I joined this group one week ago hoping to find information regarding Sabina Jaime/Jayme. I started researching my family history just 2 months ago and have hit quite a roadblock with Sabina, my paternal great grandmother. My grandfather was Jesus Mora, brother to Maria de la Luz. I will share with you the information that I think is linked to her and some questions/theories to explain the difficulty we are having.
First, I have found the same information in regards to her baptism, marriage, immigration and death all inconsistent. Frustrating!
-I have found birth years ranging from 1868 to 1878. From speaking with those familiar with the customs at the time and place, it would not be unusual to marry at 14, 15 or 16. I've wondered if it is possible that she changed her birth year when she came to the US since this was not the custom there. Somewhere in my notes I have her "from Santa Maria" of which there are many in that area of Aguascalientes.
-I found that she

Estimado David Delgado, buenas tardes.
Tu crees que sea posible que Merced Villalobos casada con Leandro Mora, sea Maria A.de la Merced VILLALOBOS Lozano que nació en Encarnación el 19 ene 1785.Hija de Fernando de Villalobos y Maria Lozano.
Saludos
Cristobal Villalobos L

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de David P. Delgado
Enviado el: Martes, 09 de Septiembre de 2008 12:04 a.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido, Víctor.

Víctor,

No puedo ayudar con tus preguntas. Sin embargo, hice unas rápidas búsquedas. Descubrí que parece haber información de uno de tu bisabuelos en un microfilm, #1155497. Ese microfilm está a mi alcance en la biblioteca que yo visito los martes y miércoles. Posiblemente ya tienes esos datos pero si quieres puedo enviar una copia. Se trata del matrimonio siguiente:

LEANDRO MORA, Spouse: MERCED VILLALOBOS
Marriage

David:
Antes que nada, mil gracias por la información que me das, por tus comentarios y sobre todo por tu interés.
He podido obtener algunos de los registros que tú me envías, y otros no. Empezaré por la situación de los apellidos Martínez Frausto, que es la menos complicada. Tengo el registro del bautizo de mi bisabuelo, Néstor Martínez Frausto, el mismo que me envías tú:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download
NESTOR MARTIN FRAUSTOS Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 MAR 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: ANTONIO MARTIN Family
Mother: MARIA MATILDE FRAUSTOS
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C607006 1866 - 1869 1155476

Este

En lo que te pueda ayudar estoy en este Centro de Hisroria Familiar:

Centro De Historia Familiar Estaca San Nicolas
Zacatecas #201 Col. Nicolas Bravo a unos metros de la Ave. Sto Domingo
San Nicolas de los Garza, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
Tel :83-13-47-11
Horario del Centro de Historia Familiar :
Lunes - 16:00 - 18:00 Hrs
Martes a Viernes 18:00.- 21:00 Hrs
Sabado : 10:00 - 14:00 Hrs
Domingos : 17:00 - 21:00 Hrs

Las copias de esos registros se encuentran en los archivos de historia familiar de la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias, mejor conocidos como "Mormones", debe haber un centro de historia familiar cerca de ti donde puedas solicitarlos, te los mandan pedir por una simbolica cantidad de $4.00 pesos por cada rollo solicitado, ahi tienen lectores especiales para ke los puedas ver y te facilitan la orientacion y ayuda en tu busqueda genealogica, todo gratis , exepto el pedido de rollos que te mencione, si neceitas mas informacion al respecto mandame un mail para decirme exactamente donde estas y te paso la direccion del centro de historia familiar mas cercano, saludos.

Raquel,

Two books about the first families that settled in Nochistlán and the surrounding areas are:

1.. "NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS, Su Parroquia, Los Durán y otras familias antiguas. Estudio Histórico-Genealógico" by Ing. Jesús Durán Rodríguez.

2.. "GENEALOGIA DE NOCHISTLAN, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII, según sus Archivos
Parroquiales" by José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías.
Both are out of print but can be found at the Genealogy Section of some Public Libraries in the US. Usually this type of book is not in circulation for reference only.

Bill Figueroa

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From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Books on Yahualica, Cuquio, Jal, Nochistlan, Zac.

While we are on the subject of books and historians, does anyone know if there are any books on Yahualica or Cuquio, Jalisco? Or on Nochistlan, Zac?

Hola Raquel:

En el mes de Octubre pasado visite los pueblos de Yahualica y Cuquio Jal.Y compre el Libro de la Historia de Yahualica Jal.Escrito por Jaime Olveda que fue imprimido en Guadalajara Jal.Por la Editorial Grafica Nueva,S.A.de C.V.Av.Hidalgo 1282,tel.3614 5599.

De cuquio no pude encontrar nada,y de Nochistlan tengo entendido que existen barios libros.

Sobre Yahualica si te puedo ayudar en algo con gusto lo hare.

Jose Luis Felix

Perris CA.

> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:39:37 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Books on Yahualica, Cuquio, Jal, Nochistlan, Zac.
>
> While we are on the subject of books and historians, does anyone know if
> there are any books on Yahualica or Cuquio, Jalisco? Or on Nochistlan,
> Zac?

Hi George, IO have a uknown López de Nava married an uknown FLores de la Torre in Teocaltich, who had my 8x great grandmother Gertrudis López de Nava, who married Juan Julián González de Bermejo. Anny relation? -Daniel

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Hi Alice,

When I was a student at Stanford I did see a book that had the names of
governors of Zacatecas. If I remember correctly, it did have information for
the 19th century. The book was in Green or Meyer Library. I'm not sure how you
can look it up, but I thought I would let you know I've seen the book that you
are looking for.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

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Received: 09:28 PM PST, 03/05/2009
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Orden Imperial de Guadalupe

Dear Rodolfo,
Thank you so much for the explanation. In my research of my gggrandfather,
Jose Maria Santelices, I came across a portion of this book online. It named
Caballeros Grandes Cruces, Caballeros de Numero, Caballeros Supernumerarios,
and at least two or three other classifications, last of which was simply
Caballeros. My family used the names Jose Maria and Francisco Santelices
interchangably, and it's my understanding that the Jose Maria Santelices named
here as a Caballero

Estimada Alice,

Voy a tratar de explicarlo muy llanamente.

La Orden Nacional de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe fue una Orden Militar (algo así como una congregación de personas que por su carrera militar, política, itelectual, patrótica o de apoyo al gobierno o ala patria se hacia merecedor de recibir una condecoración y entrar por así decirlo al club) Fue creada por Agustín de Iturbide y Aramburu.

Las fechas de la fundación son incorrectas, fue creada por él luego de la Independencia de México, cuando todavía era Regente y no Emperador, sus estatutos fueron promulgados el 20 de febrero de 1822. Habia 2 clases de miembros: Los Gran Cruz y los miembros numerarios. Cuando asesinan al ya Emperador Agustín I. La Imperial Orden de Guadalupe es olvidada.

En el último periodo de Santa Ana se retoma y éste consigue que la Orden sea reconocida por el Papa Pio IX por lo que ya no sólo es una Orden militar, es a partir de entonces una órden religiosa y militar.

Luego de la

I need help translating a short historical discription of Salinas, San
Luis Potosí. Following is the original, and my attempted translation,
which I think is mostly correct. Any help would be appreciated.

Source:
http://www.adabi-ac.org/publicaciones/descargas/inventarios/92_WEB_Parr…

La parroquia de Salinas de Peñón Blanco cercano a la ciudad de San
Luis Potosí bajo el patrocinio de Nuestro Padre Jesús, cuya fiesta
se celebra el primer viernes del mes de marzo. El municipio al que
pertenece limita con Ramón, Santo Domingo, Charcas, Venado y
Moctezuma. Su suelo es árido y el clima seco estepario. Tienen
ganadería, cultivos de temporal y se explota la sal.

La acción evangelizadora en Salinas fue desarrollada, desde la
Conquista, por los frailes franciscanos.

Antes de constituirse parroquia era una modesta capilla (1600) que
fue atendida por franciscanos, agustinos mercedarios y finalmente
por el clero diocesano. En 1799 la capilla

Bill and others,
I was checking the marriage record of Domingo Moran with Antonia Martinez-Calvillo, and found some interesting details about Antonia's name. I've transcribed the record below. Note that her name was first recorded as Maria (left margin), but in the body text as Antonia. Maria was changed at a later date to Josepha, and since they were not 'velados' the day of their wedding, a note to that effect was entered (velados 9 marzo 1666). I found that document (transcribed below) and Antonia is identified as Josepha Calvillo. Finally, Domingo is referred in both documents as Viudo. Any idea who was his first wife?
Got JPG of both documents if anyone wants to see them.

(Al margen) Domingo Moran viudo con (Maria-deleted) Josepha Martinez casados y no velados, velelos 9 de marzo de 1666.
En quattro de Agosto de mil seicientos y sesenta y cinco case y no vele a Domigo Moran (e)sp(añol)L con Antonia Martinez (e)sp(año)la fueron testigos Fran(cis)co Sotelo y Miguel de Espinosa y

Gloria,

Domingo Morán and Antonia Martínez Calvillo were married in Aguascalientes on 4 Aug 1665. As far as I know, they had the following children:
1.. Joseph Morán Martínez who married María López de Saldaña
2.. Juan Morán Martínez who married Juana de Montoya
3.. Domingo Morán Martínez, no additional information.
4.. Nicolás Morán Martínez, who died infant.
5.. Nicolás Martínez Morán (second with that name) who married Andrea Alonso de los Hinojos (aka Andrea Ruiz de Esparza)
Antonia Martínez Calvillo died in Aguascalientes on 28 May 1675. The following year Domingo Morán married Nicolasa Vázquez (aka Nicolasa Martel) in Aguascalientes (13 May 1676). They had no children. Domingo died ten years later on 25 Dec 1686. His second wife died on 18 Jan 1692.

Antonia Martínez Calvillo appears in some documents with the surname López Calvillo. I still haven't figured out why. She was mostly known as Antonia Calvillo. The parents of Domingo Morán and Antonia Martínez