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Israel,

We are and should be closely related. My mother's family had continuous movement between Aguascalientes and
Calvillo. My mother was born in Aguascalientes. You are absolutely correct, there is only one Loera family. All
the Loera of Aguascalientes come from Diego de Loera and Margarita de Nava back from the early 1600s.

Like many here I am also closely related to Fernandez de Palo, Lopez de Nava, Tiscareno, Romo de Vivar
and Martinez de Sotomayor. These families were close knit not only in Aguascalientes but also Calvillo.

Please contact me,
Daniel

Israel, welcome to the wonderful frustrating elating world of genealogy.  My
fathers family was from Jerez Zacatecas and there were many Loera/Luera located
there. I find the change in spelling frustrating but it was the scribe not the
people the records talk abt.  I ended up putting into my files Loera/Luera since
there was no other way to do it. I put my files on Rootsweb.com because it's
free and anyone can check them without having to pay.

good luck
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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From: "isloera@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 2:55:21 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction of Israel Sustaita Loera

I'm really happy to be part of this great community and I thank everybody that
runs this website. My family comes from the small town of Ojocaliente, Calvillo
in  in the state of Aguascalientes.  In Ojocaliente there are many people with
the surname Loera and my research has proven that many of us

Welcome to the group!

My Mathernal Great Grandfather's name was Jose Refugio De La Paz Villalpando, I can't find much on his lineage, my Grandma says that his family originally came from Europe/Spain. But I believe my Great Grandpa was born in Tecolotlan Jalisco abt 1901, he died April 1st 1940, I believe his parents were Catarino De La Paz and Mariana Villalpando. My Grandmother's GEDmatch number is QW7849654 she was Refugio's daughter.

Emilie,

What an interesting story.

I'm finding that parish priest within the same location often used different formats in recording births and marriages...sadly I'm finding that with researching my husband's Corbera ancestors... I'll find them on LDS, getting my hopes up that once I view film it will supply the names of AP and AM...but often that is not the case...

I have bapt records for my father-in-law and his siblings, but there's a time gap from his bapt in 1894 until the next sibling in 1900... I have searched until I can see no more... ;-).

This search can prove very frustrating at time, but so rewarding when the link is made.

Good luck with your search.

Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Papagaia's Journey of Discovery

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emilie Garcia"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 2:53:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan de Villalpando

Pat.

Yes, what started all this on Juan de Villalpando and Ursula

This subject is very interesting. I have touched basis with New Mexico genealogy, through my step-grandmother. She is "Duran y Chavez"
and descends from the typical names, Martin Serrano, Vasquez de Lara, Baca, Romero, Roybal, etc. I am not sure why many New Mexican
genealogist "assumed" things if there is no proof with certain data. The Villalpando of New Mexico came from Leon, Guanajuato not Leon, Spain.
If anyone is extracting the spanish records for Leon, Gto please publish them. I plan eventually to do this in the near future if no one else decides
to do it.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Hola Rubén:

Tu porcentaje de ascendencia francesa sugiere no es muy lejano en el tiempo. Yo desciendo de la familia Demongin que se estableció en Guanajuato, aunque hay otra rama muy grande en Jalisco y otra en el norte de Veracruz.

Por éste motivo llevo cierto tiempo estudiando la emigración francesa a México, una de las fuentes más importantes es la página web Raíces Francesas en México, muchos de los emigrantes estaban asociados entre sí por motivos de negocios.

Si cuentas con tu árbol genealógico podrías investigar si tienes algún tatarabuelo con apellido francés y reiterar tu consulta, ya con algún dato. Por lo pronto te adelanto que hay las siguientes ramas principales de emigración:

1. En 1824 llegaron dos grupos de franceses al sur de Veracruz y algunos se establecieron en Ixtepec, Oaxaca.

2. En 1835 llegó un grupo al norte de Veracruz procedente de Champlitte Alto Saona, Franco Condado asentándose en Jicaltepec y luego fundaron San Rafael, de éste grupo proviene mi

Interessting and well written story. Indeed, the mexican society of the Virreinato was not kind to the native mexicans that were especially discriminated by the hacendados, the same families that we mainly study on Nuestros Ranchos.

I personally descend from Andrés Díaz de León, brother of Vicente Díaz de León, present in your story.

Have a good day

Tristán Díaz de León

In some cases, as soon as they were baptized. Confirmations are performed by the bishop, so whenever the bishop visited - which apparently wasn't too often, in some areas - anyone who wasn't already confirmed, was taken and confirmed.

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi Esther,

I know your struggle. I've been looking for the baptism record for my GG-Grandfather for a while now. I'm still searching documents, page by page - around the year I estimate he was born. All his brothers and sisters were baptized, so I know for a fact he was also.

Some of the years I've searched are stained/damaged, so they are very difficult to make out. Also, being a Hernandez from Los Altos adds another level of difficulty, since we are so many.

Good luck,

Carlos Hernandez-Gamiño Medrano

Same thing happened to me with a couple of my ancestors from Tamazula, while this particular town had records for the year I believed him to have been born, he was not in those.

His marriage said he was from that town and being 20 years old, so I looked 3 years prior and 3 after one by one and never found his baptism,

Yes, that's happened to me before; I do think that some baptism records and other church records weren't included, probably due to an oversight. I have decided that if I never find the record, I'll have to live with other records to help fill in the gaps.

The primary owners of Cienega de MAta were the the Rincon Gallardo family, these guys owned many haciendas across Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, Aguascalientasand Jalisco. Since the actual hacienda, is in Ojuelos de Jalisco which consists of a biggerarea, part of the hacienda was probably sold or inherited, im still researching but the Matahave some history, there since there is a huge concentration there. I know that the Gallardobuit the hacienda in 1593 and lost Cienega de Mata in 1740. So probably names changed.
Im still trying to figure out who the patriarch for the mata family is, the compound surnameMata y Rebollar note that two families merged. Rebollar is a common name in Aguascalientes,so my guess the first Mata married in Aguascalientes to a Rebollar.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:21:52 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ANTONIO DE MATA Y REBOLLAR
>
> Antonio de Mata y Rebollar is my

Hi Katy

Do you mean Maria de Esquibel? I have her death record. (I descend from her quite a few times) It classifies her as Spanish and says she left a will
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-YY4K-J?i=200&cc=1804458

Same thing happened to me. I got A2d1a if I remember right with an ancestor in Tlaltenango who was always listed as Spanish. I have Maria born about 1580 and my earliest known mtdna ancestor Beatriz Delgado born about 1595. I kind of assumed the Amerindian was further back, maybe their maternal grandmother or even great grandmother who married a Spanish guy shortly after the original conquest.

~ Andrea

There is a Maria Ramona Ramirez that is the daughter of Juan Jose Ramirez and Maria Josefa Gómez. She was baptized on 8/March/1829 Aguascalientes.
Her paternal grandparents are Diego Ramirez and Manuela Martinez. Her maternal grandparents are José María Gómez and Paula Hernandez.

The baptismal date doesn’t fit with a marriage date before 1829 so this is not the Ramona Ramirez that you are looking for unless your marriage date is incorrect.

Here is a marriage record with similar names but the grooms name is not Alejo.
Juan Adauto Sánchez (son of José María Sánchez and María Eusebia González) married 7/Sep/1814 Tlaxcalilla, San Miguelito, San Luis Potosí to María Ramona Ramirez (daughter of José María Gómez and María Josefa Hermenegilda Gómez)

Rick A. Ricci

Not sure if you are still looking for info for Barbaro Soria, but recent census
info on family search has tied several Soria/Osorio/Osoria families together
in the Juchipila/Moyahua areas.

Barbaro Soria (in earlier records written as Osorio/Osoria) is listed in the 1841 Juchipila padron (census), along with parents and siblings. He was listed in the town of Amoxochitl (also listed as Amotochil).

He was listed as age 10 (born circa 1831) Likely in Amotochil, as his father (Juan Soria (Osorio/Osoria) is found in the 1813 Juchipila Padron (census), also in Amoxochitl.
The 1813 Juchipila census lists no ages, but lists family members.

The 1841 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K8-K5J5?i=652

The 1813 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K8-KPFB?i=862&cat=23…

My Juchpila area database/website has all of this info, plus many Juchipila
area dispensations, including several Soria/Osorio/Osoria families.

From what has been pieced together

Juan de Villalpando married Francisca de la Rocha on June 11, 1618.

The many guesses that the surname of Juan’s mother Francisca are Mariza, Marica, Marquez, Matiga, Mancha, Marcha are close, but since we find her also using the surname Rocha then I believe that she is from the same family as my mother-in-law’s maternal grandfather “Rocha De la Madrid” aka “Madrid De la Rocha” aka “Rocha” aka “Madrid”

Rick A. Ricci

Robert Martinez

Hello, I am in New Mexico and also descend from Juan de Villalpando on my father's side. I found a record in San Felipe, Guanajuato for a Juan de Villalpando marrying Francisca de la Rocha on June 11, 1618. These are probably Juan's parents. Anyone have more info?

It's too bad this isn't in a better format. Some names might be easier to
read if it were. Jpg isn't meant for documents.

What I could make out of the first is the following -

(torn) ? Juo [Juan] de villalpando y franca [francisca] (torn)
? ya difuntos con ursula de olaes(torn)
de ? de olaes y isabel ? ; fueon (torn)
drinos [padrinos] el alcalde nicolas de villalpando (torn)
de vielma. y por verdad lo firne en dicho dia
mes y año.

I can't make out the first name of the father of ursula de olae, or the last
name of the mother but it looks like Cos.

It looks like a lot of people need to correct their family tree to show that
Juan de Villalpando Olaes is from León, Guanajuato.

The second document

En veinte y seis dias del Mes de julio de mil (torn)
sientos Y setenta Y quatro en esta iglecia Barro(torn)
de Leon case con lisencia del ? Cura > Don Josep(torn)
de Ulloa con Ursula de Olais viuda de Juan de Vill(torn)
se les dijo missa Y se hisierion las diligencias ?(torn)
manda el

Nancy Blanche Perez

Viuda means widow, also abbreviated as vd.

Nicolaza Paula San Martín's brother Casimiro is my direct ancestor. Can you rephrase your question. I did not understand what you were asking. In the meantime, I will look over the information I have and try to summarize it.

Kind Regards, O. Estrada

Nicolaza Paula San Martín's brother Casimiro is my direct ancestor. Can you rephrase your question. I did not understand what you were asking. In the meantime, I will look over the information I have and try to summarize it.

Kind Regards, O. Estrada

Buenas tardes estimados amigos.

Creo que definitivamente Martín "el Navarro" procedía de la población de Gabadi, independientemente de si el nombre de esa población tiene raíces hebreas.
Me parece que cada vez es más claro que a la Nueva Galicia llegó un grupo Vasco muy íntimamente relacionado desde antes de cruzar el océano.

Estoy formando la hipótesis de que la suegra de Martín de Gabadi fue Ana de Arriaga y que por esa razón pusieron el nombre de Ana Francisca a su hija.

Hay que notar que la hermana de Ana Francisca se casa con otro Vasco de la misma región de Pamplona: Pedro Fernández de Vaulus y Ciordia.
Otro miembro de ese Clan vasco en Nueva Galicia lo fueron Juan de Jaso "El Viejo" y su sobrino Juan de Jaso "El Mozo"sobrinos ambos de Guillerma de Atondo y Ruíz de Esparza

Francisca de Alcocer and Diego Temiño de Velasco are ancestors of retired Raider Quarterback Jim Plunkett. I grew up a big fan of his. Cool to know we are distant cousins. This is the second Raider in my family tree. I am repeatedly related to retired Raider Coach Tom Flores.

Rick A. Ricci

A reserva de precisar en su oportunidad la información de la que dispongo, Francisca de Alcocer fue mujer del llamado "Alcaide Temiño", y, entre otros hijos tuvieron a Ana y Baltazar.

Ana casó con el conquistador Pedro Pacho con quien tuvo a tres hijas que casaron con Diego Flores de la Torre, Diego de Padilla Dávila y el Mayorazgo Porres Baranda. Tengo localizados en el Sagrario de México los bautizos de esas tres hijas: Angela, Mariana y Bernardina.

Ana casó en segundas nupcias en Guadalajara con Francisco de Figueroa, quien se convirtió en el tutor de las hijas de ella con Pedro Pacho; también tengo localizado el documento de "tutela" que lo comprueba.

Por esa razón, el Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, erroneamente titula a su Memorial como "Descendencia de los Figueroa, Flores de la Torre, Padilla Dávila y Porres Baranda", y lo hace de esa manera, pues ignoró que las hijas de Ana se apellidaron Pacho. Me refiero al manuscrito Bancroft, del cual hice paleografía y

Juan Padilla Dávila y Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (aka Juan de la Mota y Padilla) ( aka Juan De Abila Padilla ) and Antonia Martin del Campo y Flores De la Torre are the parents of Juana Manuela Padilla.

Juana Manuela Padilla was married to Jacinto De La Torre Ledesma. They are my ancestors

Juana Manuela Padilla was baptized 24/Jun/1718 in San Juan De los Lagos, Jalisco

Try looking for records of Juan Padilla with various combinations of De Abila Padilla, Padilla Davila, Padilla De la Mota, Padilla Gutierrez, Padilla

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Hola! No pude evitar interesarme a su plática de los Valencia de Cotija... y es que, tengo una linea que data de 1700 aprox. Se trata de:

Miguel Angel Valencia (el acta de matrimonio aparentemente dice "originario de Cotija") Casado en 1748 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, vecino de San Antonio.

Su esposa: Maria Antonia Villaseñor Trujillo (viuda)

Sus padres: Nicolas Valencia y Anna De Orosco

Sus hijos: Francisco Xavier, Manuel Ricardo, Ana Maria, Juan Jose, Terezha, Guadalupe, Josefa, Michaela, Francisco Roman, Jose Maria.

De casualidad tendran algun dato de sus padres Nicolas Valencia y Anna de Orosco en Cotija?

Saludos y todo lo mejor!

Veronica

Hi Daniel.
I have the same question because some my maternal grandmothers ancestors were also from Cotija. What lines are you tracing in Cotija?? Mine are Mendoza and Farias. Rafael Meraz

Hello Gaby,

I have Bernabe de Guizar as the son of Domingo de Guizar and Isabel de Silva y Bedoya. Magdalena de Valencia I have down as the daughter of Juan de Valencia Pina and Lucia de Torres Guerrero y Oceguera

Here's Bernabe's bautizmo:

May 24, 1691(Zamora, Michoacan)

Here's Domingo and Isabel's marriage:

February 28, 1688(Zamora, Michoacan)

I have a matrimonial dispensation available for one of their kids:

Matrimonial Dispensation for Juan de Guizar Valencia and Maria Teresa Maldonado Orozco - February 16, 1757 (Cotija, Michoacan)

In my records, I have that Bernabe and Magdalena had, at least, the following children:

Juan de Guizar Valencia who married Maria Teresa Maldonado
Bernabe de Guizar Valencia who married Maria Josefa de Torres
Tiburcio de Guizar Valencia who married Maria Gertrudis Ruiz and later Josefa del Toro

I've seen in the archives of Morelia, Michoacan that the Guizars of Michoacan seem to have originated in Puruandiro, Michoacan. The oldest references I

I don't...although, my Guizar family line has been very difficult to track. My Great Grandmother was Luciana Navarro Guizar and her parents were Pascual Navarro and Martina Guizar, they were from Zapopan Jalisco, my Great Grandfather Higinio Saldivar Macias and his family were all mostly from Nochistlan...although, my Great Grandparents had their children in Tamazula De Gordiano...think there may be a connection with your Guizar family and mine? I do also has Valencia DNA matches on 23andMe.

Dear Carlos,

I started with many of the same questions and have come up with some answers. There are many “Pedro Ledesma” in the mix.

The Pedro Ledesma son of Pedro Ledesma (from Zamora) and Isabel del Grado (from Salamanca) is not the same person as “Conquistador Pedro De Ledesma”. The Conquistador arrived in 1536 with Blasco Nuñez Vela and fought along Pedro Alvarado in Guatemala and Yucatán. He is a vecino in Mexico City in 1556. Conquistador Pedro Ledesma became a friar in 1567 He was widely known to be educated and wise.

Catalina Mexia De La Torre is the daughter of Melchor Perez De La Torre and the first of his three wives, Francisca Jerez (India). Most genealogists make the mistake of saying that Catalina is the daughter of his second wife because there are records saying that she is Pedro Ledesma’s mother-in- law, but Catalina is her stepdaughter. Catalina is named as a daughter in her stepmothers will. This Pedro Ledesma and Catalina lived in Colima and

Welcome Betty! I have a LOT of Jauregui DNA matches but have yet to figure out where they come in on my tree. My Paternal side were all mainly for Nochistlan, Los Duranes, Monte de Yanez, Zapopan, La Venta, and La Primavera. And same here! I'm willing to share any information that may help anyone else out here. My pedigree chart is posted here in Files :)

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AJaime76

Good to have another cousin. I looked at the following record of your relatives and worked my way back.

Christoval Manuel Jáuregui Ximénez
1730–1789 • GSZ9-8DJ
Marriage: 17 FEB 1745Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Catharina De Sarate y Aramburu
1725–Deceased • GSZ9-68F

I noticed you re related to many of us here through the Islas (Diego Delgadillo cc Petrona Gonsales Moscoso). There is another Margarita Martin de Sotomayor who is a single mother but not sure as i did not have her as a child of Andres Martin de Sotomayor (but I haven't reviewed it). You are also related to my cousins the Lomelins and if I could ever find the parents of Manuel Rodriguez 1750 cc to Petra Alonzo (Pinos, Las Vuidas, Aguascalientes or San Luis Potosi) maybe through the Rodriguez as well.