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This person might also be the same person as Juan Joseph Nicolas de San Martin de Torres born 21 sep 1753, parents are juan antonia de torres and juana gertrudis albares. I don't know anything about this fammily just from your information I attached many records of family but there was quite a lot many duplicates but they now need merging with the family.
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Jose,

Try looking in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. These last
names are very common there.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED
> ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED
> RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT
> SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH
> HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY
> SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

Jose,

Try looking in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. These last
names are very common there.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED
> ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED
> RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT
> SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH
> HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY
> SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

“Stos.”. Is an abbreviation of “Santos”.

m Mexico Baptisms
Name Maria Franca. Alonso Stos.
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Dec 1762
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Sntiago. Alonso ( De los hinojos)
Mother's Name Theresa “Rosalia” De Stos. Y Bustos
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKPS-G4T : 10 February 2018), Rosalia De Stos. Y Bustos in entry for Maria Franca. Alonso Stos., 21 Dec 1762; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,533

Here are some examples:

Name Santiago Alonso De Los Ynojos
Spouse's Name Theresa Rosalia Santos Bustos
Event Date 15 May 1760
Event Place El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPB-L58 : 10 February 2018), Santiago Alonso De Los Ynojos and Theresa Rosalia

In a few cases, I have discovered that persons who list parents as “no conocidos” will identify them in late-in-life marriages. One of my ancestors waited until his third marriage to spill the beans.

“No conocido ” translated literally does mean unknown, but the true meaning here is that he is “not named “ in the record. The mother, and others, most likely knew the name of the father but they were most likely not married and they did not want to put the fathers name on the record. On a few occasions I have been fortunate to discover the fathers name even though “no conocido” is in a record so don’t give up hope and keep on searching.

A few years ago I also found a record with a “Lomeli “ surname with a “no conocido” in his marriage record. By studying his mother’s ancestors, his siblings records, and the descendants of his siblings, I was able to figure out that the father’s surname was Lomeli but that the family did not want to give his first name.

You didn’t provide any information on Onofre Lomeli or his mother, María Nunes. It is important to gather as much information on them as you can to help you on your quest.

Good Luck,
Rick A Ricci

Hi Dolores,

Some of the first Yañez to be documented in Nochistlan are Gonzalo Yañez del Monte(married to Geronima Benavides)and Juan Yañez del Monte who was married to Maria de Medinilla. This was probably in the late 1500s or early 1600s sometime. You should try to look for a book by the name of : Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales. Its a rare book, some libraries may have a copy you can see. I know there are copies in California and Texas.

I'm not sure if you've used www.familysearch.org, but its a great resource. I looked for a Jose Maria Yanez in Nochistlan for years ranging from 1780-1830 and got a few hits, one for Jph. Maria Niebes Yanez Ximenez in 1788. I'm not sure if this is the one you are looking for, but its a place to start.

Check out the link below which is what I typed in for the search:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgi…

Si, es muy probable que es el caso como lo dices Jorge, ahora lo necesitamos comprabar seguramente.
En otra dispensa de mi linea Chavez Fragoso nombre Margarita como Lopez de Nava hija de Pedro
de Chavez Fragoso y Margarita Munoz de Nava. Madre e hija utilizaron el mismo apellido. Dicha
MArgarita de Chavez Fragoso tambien Lopez de Nava contrayo primeras nupcias con don Domingo
de la Cueva en Teocaltiche el 26 de agosto de 1668. Por lo menos he encontrado un hijo bautizado
en dicho lugar Juan de la Cueva el 8 de mayo de 1677.

Yo vengo de Pedro Chavez Fragoso hermano de la mencionada Margarita Lopez de Nava y via su hijo
Alejandro de Chavez Fragoso quien se establecio en Aguascalientes ancestro via mi linea materna de mi madre.

Veremos que encuentro sobre esta familia.

Daniel Méndez y Camino

I have two Puente lines all around the San Luis Potosí, Venado, Charcas and Pinos area--it seems they moved around quite a bit. I've often wondered the likelihood this family would have been somehow involved in mining, as it was very common in the area, for the time period. These are my lines:

1. Nicolás de la Puente m. Tomasina Pérez de Contreras y Lomelín (my 11th ggrandparents) they had the following children:

a. Nicolás Cayetano de la Puente ch. 30 Jun 1687 in Venado married Teresa Limón y López de Quezada Mendoza on 21 Sep 1716 in Jalostotitlán.

b. Agustín de la Puente ch. 29 Sep 1690 in Sierra de Pinos

2. Diego de la Puente m. Catalina López Rodríguez, as already mentioned. They had several children all in Venado, unless otherwise denoted:

a. Olaya de la Puente ch. 18 Mar 1678 m. Antonio de Medina y Laris on 20 Jun 1697 in Venado. (My 9th great grandparents)
b. Isabel de la Puente ch. 23 Jan 1683
c. Diego de la Puente ch. 18 Nov 1685
d. Antonia de la Puente ch. 2 Jul 1687 -

i've only indexed a small number of Información matrimonios documents from the city of zacatecas, and some of them i worked on are incomplete
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HEqjoPRjHZr-f0206ggS7MoJh0J47TU…

I have continued to create records for any puente I find in the images as I am still searching for the marriage record of my ancester gertrudes de la Puente. I have found that the starting point for many de la Puentes is Venado, San Luis Potosi and there are others scattered throughout San Luis Potosi, like Charcas, Matehuala and San Luis Potosi, San Luis Potosi. I will let you know if I find anything on your ancestors.

Joseph,
I'm on the same boat with the Gomez y Pena. I reviewed the PADRON DE ZACATECAS for 1671 and there isn't a single Puente. Nevertheless I will keep you in mind because I'm reviewing the films for informacion matrimoniales. If you come across any Gomez y Pena please let me know

thanks

sus

Josef Martin Guillermo ML, son of Josef Nicasio Guillermo y Maria de la Candelaria originally from Bocas, San Luis Potosi, (later takes on the name of Santana born possibly circa 1758 married 19 OCT 1780 in San Miguel,Mexquitic,San Luis Potosi,Mexico to Maria Antonia Quiros Mestiza originally from Mexquitic de Carmona born possibly around 1760 daughter of Antonio Trinidad Posadas y Maria Antonia Quiros.

NOTE: There are matching people for parents from Mexico City though not likely and the quiros Pacheco whose children are born in Guanajuato possibly not a match.

Padrinos to the wedding are: Josef Andres Arellano y Maria Victoria Santa Anna

Same name couples are always a huge problem. One has to gather sources, complete names, dates, locations to be able to judge if they are the same couple. Hope this helps. Good luck Stephanie.

1). Lázaro Moreno de Canas and Elvira Sanchez. ( alive in early 1530’s)

2). Diego Moreno De Canas and Ysabel De Velasco

3). Elvira Moreno Belasco and Francisco Martin

4). Mariana De San Agustin Moreno y Martin and Juan Gil Martinez

5). Constanza Martínez y Moreno and Alonzo Llerena Agundez

6). Constanza Llerena Y Martinez and Juan De Avalos

7). Petrona de Avalos and Sebastian De Veas

8). Eugenio Joseph De Baes and Juana María De Cecena

9). María Michaela De la Cruz Baes and Joseph Phelipe Antonio de Jesus Ahumada

10). María Rita (Antta.?) Ahumada y Baes and José María Lisaola (Lisola, Lizola)

María Rita (Antta.?) Ahumada y Baes has a sister named María Nicolasa Ahumada y Vaes who married Joseph Rafael Lizaola who is a brother to José María Lizaola so it is another case of brothers marrying sisters.

Rick A. Ricci

I believe that José María Lisola is the son of José María Albino Lisaola Ruiz and Francisca Cipriana Bernal.

José María Albino Lisaola is the son of Joseph Lizaola and María Teresa Ruiz

Francisca Cipriana Bernal is the daughter of Joseph De Ahumada y Bernal and María Isabel Lopez.

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María Rita de Ahumada y Veas (Beas) is the daughter of Jose Phelipe Antonio De Jesus Ahumada and María Michaela De la Cruz De Beas

Jose Phelipe Antonio De Jesus Ahumada is the son of Miguel De Ahumada and Josefa Jimenez

María Michaela De la Cruz Beas is the daughter of Joseph Eugenio De Beas and Juana María De Cecena.

Joseph Eugenio de Baes is the son of Sebastian De Veas and Petrona de Avalos.

There were numerou

Rick A. Ricci

Here is their marriage record:

Phelipe Antonio Aumada
Spouse's Name Michaela De La Crus Beas
Event Date 13 Feb 1760
Event Place San Miguel,Cocula,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC6B-LLJ : 10 February 2018), Phelipe Antonio Aumada and Michaela De La Crus Beas, 13 Feb 1760; citing San Miguel,Cocula,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 232,885.

Rick A. Ricci

Here are a few records that you can study to find out more information:

Phelipe Ahumada
mentioned in the record of Maria Antta. Ahumada Veas
Name Phelipe Ahumada
gender Male
Wife Michaela Veas
Daughter Maria Antta. Ahumada Veas
Other information in the record of Maria Antta. Ahumada Veas
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Maria Antta. Ahumada Veas
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Nov 1775
Christening Place SAN MIGUEL,COCULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Phelipe Ahumada
Mother's Name Michaela Veas
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TL-589 : 10 February 2018), Phelipe Ahumada in entry for Maria Antta. Ahumada Veas, 15 Nov 1775; citing SAN MIGUEL,COCULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 232,865.

Ma. Nicolasa Haumada
Gender Female
Christening Date 26 Sep 1779
Christening Place San Martín Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Phelipe Haumada
Mother's Name Michaela Veas
Citing this Record
"México bautismos

Do you have any San Martín y Estrada's or Estrada's in your family tree?

The Tlaltenango Valley is beatiful.

Hello Alice,

It means that Francisco Dias is the common ancestor of the two lines. You are lucky because some times the dispensations only go back to where the lines show that they descend from siblings. The witnesses must have been old to be able to say that they knew Francisco Dias since he is the great-grandfather in one line, and the great-great -grandfather in the other line.

Rick A. Ricci

Hi,

I know this is an old post but did you ever find this ranch? I have found a few documents with this ranch but I am not able to find it on any maps. I asked some of my family members that still live in Degollado, if they know of this ranch but they have not heard of it.

Thank you,
Esther

I've seen a rancho de san francisco on records in ayo el chico, so i would say its in ayo el chico.

Danny C. Alonso

Search for baptisms for Buenaventura's children. They typically name the children's grandparents in this time period. See if either grandparent used a different last name besides Hernandez and Martinez. This can help you narrow down couples for Buenaventura's parents and lead to other info and may help you narrow down your search.

Alex

Hi,

The civil ceremony came first and then the church.

Greetings Elisa, and welcome. Like you, I have family lines in both Coahuila and the NR areas, specifically Aguascalientes. Let me know if you want help with the brick walls. I recently got past a few in Coahuila and Agc with some legwork and will be happy to share my research method. One good technique is to look for additional spouses, as additional info is often included in subsequent marriage documents. I had two ancestors whose relevant (to my line) marriage documents claimed no known parents. However, in later marriages, after everyone who cared was dead I suppose, those ancestors finally revealed their true parentage. Likewise, prior/first marriage records of females who were widowed are a good source of information (especially in Coahuila), as those females’ parents are not always listed in subsequent marriages. And, of course, in some jurisdictions the baptismal records will list grandparents. Good luck to you.

Who were these people married to?

Hola Lunalatina,

I’m not familiar with that area, but here’s a link to the Tierras y Aguas archives in Guadalajara, 1584-1866. These are titulos de mercedes de tierras, and several were granted to “los naturales” of various pueblos. The first roll are the indexes, which name the locations and the recipients. They’re sorted by “libros,” and each “libro” covers so many years; each grant is numbered. You can find the corresponding rolls, which are listed by years.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/278176?availability=Family%…

As for the term “rancho,” from what I can tell, in earlier years, it usually meant a place for animals and husbandry, as you mentioned, and “labor” was used for cultivation, but I suppose “rancho” later became a generic term for both.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Steph, this couple has all the right information but not location. They do have a child in Jalisco.
Their marriage record has his parents names but not his wifes. You might need to find IM to see if they are the same couple.

Jose Maria Sisnero
1778–Deceased • 9S4S-WWV​​
Marriage: 26 NOV 1805
San Miguel,Mexquitic,San Luis Potosi,Mexico

Maria Dorotea De Luna
Deceased • 9SHC-YVF

Hola primo,

As a matter of fact, a few years ago, I had contact with his great-grandson, Carlos Gonzalez Magallon, a retired Mexican diplomat, presently living in Guadalajara. This was through the Nueva Galicia DNA project at FTDNA. We haven’t had contact since, but I’ve seen him post at one of the genealogy groups on facebook. I just checked, he’s still on facebook. He can probably tell you what you need to know.
Un abrazo,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Veronica,

Welcome to the group! This is where most of us started out - you can learn a lot here, so don’t worry about asking questions. I’d recommend that if you do post a question, try to give as much information as you can about the ancestors you are seeking: approx birth year, where they lived, spouses and other family members. The more info you put out there, the more likely you’ll get a hit.

Looking at your families, you descend from families who a lot of us have in our lines, so you’re in the right place. I might be able to help you with your Delgado’s and your Lira’s.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo