Help with marriage record - Calletano Franco 1840

I'm having difficulty completely understanding this marriage record for Calletano Franco (top of left page). It's from San Juan de los Lagos, 1840.

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Hello,

I looked at the record. I was able to read that Calletano Franco was a widow from Filomena Guzman. The bride was Lugarda (CAMPOS) from LA CUEBA her parents: Ygnacio "Campos" and Ana Maria Martin. (please look at the line before Lugarda's name and compare the abbreviation that the priest used for "CAMPO" santo and Lugarda's last name)

Note: If I would have to guess the last name should be MARTIN DEL CAMPO. I looked in family search please look at the following record (LUGARDA'S BIRTH) (the record implies that both parents are Martin "del campo")

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-51166-31?cc=1874591&wc…

Also I found another record that is a possibility for Ygnacio and Ana Maria's marriage.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC8Z-14M

I hope this helps

susana

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Here is the link for the marriage record of Ygnacio and Ana Maria - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-56786-57

The parents of Ygnacio were Ignacio Martín del Campo y Romo de Vivar http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es&p=jose+ignacio+calixto&n=martin+… and Feliciana Márquez González. The información matrimonial is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18572-35919-8

The parents of Feliciana Márquez González were Luis Antonio Márquez y Fernández de Rueda & Ana María Feliciana González Rubio y Hermosillo. http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es&p=luis+antonio&n=marquez+fernand…

The parents of Ana María Martín del Campo were Joseph Ignacio Martín del Campo y Ruiz de Esparza & María Manuela Pérez Franco married 13 de febrero 1779 , Encarnación de Díaz https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-60669-10

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Just in case an email went out on my previous message with the error it has been updated on the NR site with the correct information.

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Ah, the "Campos - Martin Del Campo" helps clear things up. I didn't even think of that, though I have seen Campos on one later descendant. It looked like Filomena Guzman was from Encarnacion de Diaz, and I was able to located the record for her marriage to Calletano Franco, along with baptism records for their children.

I will go through some of the additional records you provided as well. Thank you so much! Nancy

Huejuquilla El Alto 1649 - Order

Saw something interesting in the PARS website:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/125gfw5.jpg

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Reference numbers are to look up:

GUADALAJARA,230,L.3,F.129R

GUADALAJARA,230,L.3,F.292R-292V

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I am sorry that they are using my email. I will change my password immediately.
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Rick, the message came from kullr99431 at aol dot com. Is that yours? It
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The account hacked is not mine. I misunderstood the email and thought that it was accusing me of having the hacked account. I didn't realize that the response was directed to nuestrosranchos and not to me.
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Transcription of Tamaulipas birth record

If anyone is willing for a challenge, here's one I am having a lot of trouble with. Francisca Rincón Ynfante moved to Rincón de Romos and married there, but her birth record is giving me grief.

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Hi,
Indeed the document is hard to read. I think you made a very wood job. I would make some minor corrections:

Pablo Rincón, casada, should be "Pablo Rincón, casado,"
(comprarecció??) should be "compareció" (spoke before a judge)
Empleado del citado could be "empleado del estado" (State employee)
Tampicas should be "Tampas.", which just like "Tamps." would be an abbreviation for "Tamaulipas".
21-30 is the equivalent of "9:30 PM"
(Capital?) is indeed "Capital", since Victoria is the State Capitol.
Juz que may be "Juzgado" (court)
íqnoro should be "ignora" (is ignored)
Francisca Po.? del Rincón my be "Francisca R. de Rincón"

There is a 1930 census record from San Nicolas, Tamaulipas, showing a Nicolás Rincón (78) mand a Francisca Rincón de R. (70), So, it seems her maiden name was "Francisca Rincón" and once married she was known as "Francisca Rincón de Rincón", with either Rincón surname abbreviated as R.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12454-76345-0?cc=1307314

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Hi Stuart.

Please look at the record below. I made some changes. I had some problems as well understanding some of the words (because of the handwriting) I hope it helps. Made the changes in CAPITAL letters

En Ciudad Victoria Tamaulipas a los 19 diez y nueve dias del mes de Mayo de 1930 siendo las 8 ocho horas ante mí Ascensión Gil Juez del Registro Civil (comprarecció??) el Señor Pablo Rincón, casada, de 26 años de edad, Empleado del citado, originario de San Nicolás Tampicas y vecino de esta Ciudad, manifestando (I eliminated SI) que el dia 11 once del presente mes a las 21-30 nació en su casa habitación, una niña viva, habida en su esposa la Señora María Ynfante de Rincón de 20 años de edad originaria de la Villa de Aldama Tampicas vecina de esta CAPITAL; que la expresada Niña es su primera hija legitima y le puse el nombre María Francisca con su mismo apellido, lo cual presenta a este Juz que para su registro, son abuelos paternos Nestor Rincón y Francisca Po.? del Rincón que

My GG Grandfather Patricio Madera (1792 - ?) - Firma A La Adhesion Al Federalismo 1824

I was chatting with a distant relative who we both share a common ancestor "Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)" of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

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I would translate "patricio madera fue firmante de la adhesion al federalismo en 1824" as "Patricio Madera was one of those who signed in favor of joining the Federal Republic in 1824".

After Independence in 1821, the Mexican Empire was formed. Then in 1823 the Federal Republic was proclaimed and formally established in 1824 when the Federal Constitution was signed.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primera_Rep%C3%BAblica_Federal_%28M%C3%A9x…

A Federal Republic is a country formed by the union of autonomous states, like the USA or Mexico.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/srv/search?id=pC94RxX11DXX2RnEnFA1#estado_feder….

It seems like the local governments of towns signed in favor of joining the Federaton in 1823. Here are some examples of towns that now are in the Tlaquepaque Municipality (San Pedro, Toluquilla, San Martín, Zalatitlán and Santa Anita):
http://www.tlaquepaque.gob.mx/portal/cultura/22-san-pedro-se-adhiere-al…

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Help!

I am New at to Nuestros Ranchos and I have some pictures I would like to share. can some one please give me instructions on how I could place photos in the web site or my Album Please.

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To upload photos, click on "Create Content" then "Albums". Create an Album and make sure you put it under the category "Members and Group Photos".

Once you have created the album, click "Create Content" again and this time choose Image and make sure to put it in the category choosing the album you just created.

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Click the "My Account" button on the top right, then click the "edit" button and in there is a place where you should be able to upload pictures.

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Aeral View of Capilla San Diego and Parroquia San Diego at Huejuquilla El Alto

This picture was taken by someone who used a cuadcopter such as a Phantom Cuadcopter with camera to take pictures of Huejuquilla.

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This is what the "Capilla De San Diego" looks like marked in the green arrow of the picture above:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2yyryvt.jpg

It goes as far back as 1649!!!!!!

As it says in the Escudo De Armas of Huejuquilla:

http://www.inafed.gob.mx/work/enciclopedia/EMM14jalisco/municipios/1404…

"En el cuadro superior izquierdo, la representación de la Capilla de San Diego de Alcalá, cuya fecha 1649, marca el inicio formal de la evangelización franciscana en la región."

http://oi59.tinypic.com/mbsp4z.jpg

Snacks and Music while looking through archives

Do any of you eat snacks or listen to music while looking through archives?

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sometimes i do homework, browse tumblr, or play games while looking through familysearch records.

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Many times I'm eating fruit while looking at records. I love blackberries and pomegranate. I like to listen the TV, specially a show that I already know

Greetings from Seattle

Panteon Antiguo at San Antonio De Padua near Huejuquilla El Alto

I am chatting with another person from Huejuquilla El Alto. She is a distant cousin of mine and she lives there. She is educated and also likes geneology.

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I did a search on googles map satellite view, looking at San Antonio De Padua for the panteon and found this:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/qmxoc2.jpg

On googles Map the coordinates are: 22.564976, -103.847410

https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Antonio+de+Padua,+Zac.,+Mexico/@2…

I am going to have to make a list of places to check where there are panteons to look for my ancestors

Now she tells me that the old panteon is:

"Está frente a la placita o presidencia"

"el arbol esta afuera de la iglesia y a la izquierda de la iglesia esta el panteon"

So I guess that I would look for the Church and then look towards the left. So those graves must be as old as the Hacienda itself. Since in the old days, the graves were put next to the church before they began going to the cemetaries away from the church

Surname Guapalia?

I just received a copy of my great grandfather Teodoro de Alba's death
certificate which lists his mother's name as "Synthia Guapalia". The
informant was his oldest son.

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One of my ancestors died in Texas and in his death certificate the "maiden name of mother" appears as Slogoudo or something like that, when in reality it was Elizondo. I guess they were not familiar with the surname and just wrote down whatever they thought they heard.

Victoriano Navarro

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Hi Steven,

I think Guapalia is a first name no a last name. It could be Cinthia "Gudelia or Guapalia (her middle name)". Very likely the document that you have doesn't include the last name

good luck

susana

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You may be right Susana, however the death certificate reads: "Mother's maiden name".

Location of Old Panteones

I am trying to find location of old panteons of Monte Escobedo, Mezquitic or Minillas.

During the 1600's - 1720's my ancesters were in Minillas, baptized in Mezquitic.

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Here is another:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/fvlobn.jpg

http://www.asezac.gob.mx/pages/infoase/informes2010/monte_escobedo_2010…

So old panteons are patrimonio cultural for the architecture and use of Cantera stone:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/5o8ewj.jpg

http://labestad.reduaz.mx/web/turismo/patrimonew/pdfdo4mun2.php?mun=031

On this website it talks about how the traditional ways the people were buried and by social classes. But then they had to change that routine since too many difuntos were buried within the Church and was causing a smell so they created a "camposanto"

http://www.testimonio13.com.mx/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl…

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I was reading almost all the documents and Capellanias of Monte Escobedo and these are my conclusions:

From 1657 to about 1705 the people was buried in the Hacienda de San Andres del Astillero or Hacienda de Huejuquilla.

ab 1705 to ab 1880 was buried in the old church of Monte Escobedo but the priest carried all the bodies to the New cementery because there were a lot of people.

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Use google maps to enter these coordinates of panteons of Mezquitic and Monte Escobedo to get a satellite view.

This is coordinates of panteon of Mezquitic:

22.390870, -103.721928

The coordinates of panteon of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

22.304558, -103.556573

And these are the coordinates of the old panteon of Monte Escobedo which is located on a highway just outside of "Laguna Grande" of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

22.445740, -103.490197

The Castas System (Pintura de Castas)

A friend made me aware of this painting/system and thought I'd post it for future references in race terminology found in any documents of those times. This is what Wikipedia says:

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Hi Xayme,

There is an excelente book (magazine) with beautiful examples of the paintings (pinturas de castas). Also includes a detail list of all the names that were used. For example "de calpamulato y coyota produce Barcina". The paintings are an excellent example of colonial art. Just in Mexico alone were 53 different categories.
The book is:

Artes de Mexico # 8. La pintura de castas / Castas Painting (Spanish Edition)

http://www.amazon.com/Mexico-pintura-Painting-Spanish-Edition/dp/968683…

Regards

Susana

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it should be noted the the 'casta' terms were often used inconsistently and certain terms such as 'zambo' and 'tres salto' weren't that commonly used.

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Alguno de ustedes compañeros que están en linea ahora mismo me refiero a los Compañeros
makas_nc
Gilberto
arturoramos que ! aparecen como presentes fueran tan Gratos de proporcionarme una copia o como pudo bajar el documento de Sagrada mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia : Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII ya que se me mi copia a borrado gracias que tengan un excelente Domingo .

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https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

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what is this record about?

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Hi Kathy,

I read some pages of the document. I found the following:

Felipe Neri Bollina (brother of Fernando Bonilla image 608/615) were both uncle's of Carlos Bonilla image 609/615.

By the way, neither uncle approved Carlos's choice of women. (and in reality how he was behaving) but at the end they got him out of jail. Very good document!

good luck

susana

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Katy,

I read the whole document. I think Carlos ended in jail because of the charges brought by Maria Gertrudis Parada. Carlos asked her in marriage (and after 3 years) he was now "visiting" her first cousin. Also I "think" he received also part of her dowry. She was "very" upset. At the end Don Felipe had to bail him out.

The document doesn't say who are Carlos's parents

good luck

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Hi Kathy,

I read some pages of the document. I found the following:

Felipe Neri Bollina (brother of Fernando Bonilla image 608/615) were both uncle's of Carlos Bonilla image 609/615.

By the way, neither uncle approved Carlos's choice of women. (and in reality how he was behaving) but at the end they got him out of jail. Very good document!

good luck

susana

Defunto of D. Joseph Menendez Ultra Marino, Capitan Protector, Asturiano en Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico 1735

Here is an interesting one of a person who passed away in Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. Joseph Menendez with these titles: "Ultra Marino, Capitan Protector, Asturiano.

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Ultramarino means that it comes from across the sea, it is equivalent to "from overseas" (over seas) in English and d'outre-mer in French. It just means he was born in Spain, not that he was a sailor.
Victoriano Navarro

Pedro de Chavez Banuelos y Agueda del Rio- JEREZ- NEW RECORD

Hello,

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yeah i agree i think i found another tree that lists quitera gamboa as the wife the older pedro chavez y banuelos.

note: i'm a descendent of two of the groom siblings: jose and maria clara

Difunto Record (1761) makes reference to "Hacienda De San Antonio De Las Minillas" This is odd?

Where is "Hacienda San Antonio De Las Minillas?"

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If you try to search on Google gor Minillas Jalisco, autocomplete gives you the option of Minillas Mezquitic Jalisco and the search brings tuo to a series of webpages with photos, a map with information and even a Facebook page.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/minillas-2/

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/foto/minillas-2

So, there is a small town named Minillas in the Mezquitic Municipality.
Victoriano Navarro

Initials

Does anyone know what these initials (E.A.h or M.A.h or L or V) stand for. they are always on the left hand side of the page under the person's name. I think the L stands for limosna.

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Hi Anselmo,

I think the initials are as follows:

P = parvulo
y = India
m= mestizo
E= Espanol
A= Adulto
L = limosna
h = Entierro menor (maybe)
maior = Entierro mayor

Then E.A.H. would mean Espanol, Adulto, Entierro menor

I didn't see an example of the V. Please send me an example of the death record with the V. I'm sure about all the initials with exception of the "h". But I reviewed more records and I noticed that the priest had one record with E.A. maior then I'm thinking that the last space was for the "type" of funeral services

I hope it helps

susana

Jose Antonio Robles, Tlaltenango & Gertrudis Rosalia Melope/Merlopes, Ahualulco

I'm having an impossible time trying to find a marriage, baptismal or any other kind of record for this couple and their infant daughter Eugenia Ines.

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Hello Pamela,

There's a baptism record for Maria Rosalia de la Luz Melope that may be the same person as your Gertrudis Rosalia Melope. Maria Rosalia de la Luz was born 22 Dec 1776 and baptized the next day in Ahualuco. Her parents are Antonio Melope and Josefa Navarro and godmother was Petra Orozco.

Austin Perez

Need help to decipher Possible location of Cemetary in 1779

This is from the difunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zg6hbl.jpg

Year is 1779, the comment:

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Thanks RJQ, but then the translation would be:

"en el sementario de esta iglesia detras del ofanio a quien quise tirar a los campos"

"At the cemetary of this church behind the mass grave"

That doesn't make sense?

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I agree, the character that looks like an F is a long S. According to the RAE dictionary:
osario.
(Del lat. ossarĭum).
1. m. En las iglesias o en los cementerios, lugar destinado para reunir los huesos que se sacan de las sepulturas a fin de volver a enterrar en ellas.
2. m. Lugar donde se hallan huesos.

In this church's cemetery, behind the ossaruim (ossuary); he whom I wanted to throw in the fields ...
Interesting record, first they wanted to dump the body in the fields since they thought the person was drunk and without confession when he died.
Victoriano Navarro

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"a quien quise tirar a los campos"

Ha ha ha, I didn't realized that the priest wanted to throw or bury him out in the fields. Maybe the person was not buried in the cemetary but out in the fields.

Maybe by the way the priest wrote it, his thoughts were he didn't have respect for the person.

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Where can we see the lines you are trying to decipher?

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I know it seems odd, but you have to give some "looseness" to these old records when reading them, don't take them literally 100 per cent, punctuation wasn't accurate when present, I know is difficult at first but you will get there, when at first sight you will be able to know what it means. The way Victoriano N. trascribe it has the correct sense.

Also period context is important, many records "feel" crude to us but it wasn't the case back then.

Needless to say that the priest didn't meant to literally trow the body on the fields (although not impossible), but to bury it there outside the "sacred land" which for Catholics would mean condemnation. At the end of the day everything was about money. The priest had to "wash his hands" in the record, same that were used as accounting documents when Bishops visited the parishes, therefore the priest could be held accountable for giving away "freebies".

Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Hola, Jorge,

estaba leyendo los mensajes y encontre el tuyo y como dice que eres de los Altos de Jalisco me parecio interesante leerlo y luego vi tu foto en el facebook y a los amigos que tienes y

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Tienes razon Jorge,

voy a revisar el documento porque yo vi ese nombre en el acta de matrimonio de su hijo Juan Trinidad de Esquivias, cuando se caso con  Juana

Ricarda Velazquez el 14 de mayo de 1760 y eso quiere decir que yo lei mal o que el sacerdote escribio Ascue an lugar de Aceves.

Muchas Gracias por el consejo.

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Martha, lo de Ascue no creo que sea ni nombre, ni apellido, más bien creo que ahi hay un error de dedo o un error de paleografía. Lo más probable, creo yo, es que quien paleofragio dicha palabra lo hizo mal y tradujo como Ascue y no como Aceves.
                                               

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Hola, Jorge,

Aqui van los datos de Jose Ciriaco Hernandez y  Juana Maria Esquivias.

Se casaron el 27 de feb 1786  , Jose  fue bautizado el 22 de agosto de 1756 en Atotonilco el Alto Jalisco, es hijo de Joseph Gabriel Hernandez Alvarez y de Francisca Xaviera Alvarez Cruz , Francisca fue Bautizada el  5 de feb 1733 en Atotonilco el Alto Jalisco

Joseph Gabriel y Francisca se casaron el 9 may 1753 en Tepatitlan que antes se escribia Thepatitlan. Joseph Gabriel Hernandez es hijo de

Christobal Hernandez y Maria Albarez de San Agustin Hayo el Chico Jalisco. y Christobal es Hijo de Pedro Hernandez y Violanta Ruiz de Velazco.

Juana Maria Esquivias nacio el 10 nov 1768 y la bautizaron el 1 de diciembre de 1768 en Tepatitlan, es hija de Juan Trinidad de Esquivias y Juana Ricarda Velazquez y se Casaron el  14 may 1760 en Tepatitlan , Juan Trinidad es hijo de Lorenzo de Esquivias y Maria de Ascue.  pero en algunas actas que tengo en ocasiones mencionan a Juana Maria como Esquivias y en

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Hola Martha y otros:
Esta línea de los Hernández Gamino son unos de mis líneas vía mi
línea agnaticia. Dichos Joseph Gabriel Hernández Gamino y Francisca
Xaviera Álvarez de la Cruz son mis antepasados vía su hija Rita Juliana
Hernández Gamino quien casó a mi antepasado Juan Manuel Rubio
de Zepeda.
Por eso compartimos un tronco común Martha ya que desciendes de
José Siriaco Hernández Gamino. Mis bisabuelos eran de Tepatitlán.
Acerca de tus Arias González es posible que tuvieron un vínculo
con Tonalá, Jalisco donde bautizaron por lo menos dos hijos.
JOseph Gabriel como dijo era hijo de Cristóbal Hernández Gamino
y María Álvarez de la Cruz; ella hija de Cristóbal Álvarez de la Cruz
y Mariana Álvarez de la Cruz. Estas hijas de Pedro díaz Castellanos
y María Álvarez de la Cruz dichas hijas utilizaron su apellido materno.
Joseph Gabriel Hernandez Gamino y Francisca Xaviera Alvarez de la Cruz
eran primos hermanos por su línea coagnaticia nietos de Pedro Díaz Castellanos
y María Álvarez de

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Hola Martha dijiste que tenias informacion sobre los padres y abuelos de Juana MAria
de Esquivias? Quien era sus abuelos maternos. Gracias.

Daniel Méndez Camino

> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:24:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.
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> Hola Martha y otros:
> Esta línea de los Hernández Gamino son unos de mis líneas vía mi
> línea agnaticia. Dichos Joseph Gabriel Hernández Gamino y Francisca
> Xaviera Álvarez de la Cruz son mis antepasados vía su hija Rita Juliana
> Hernández Gamino quien casó a mi antepasado Juan Manuel Rubio
> de Zepeda.
> Por eso compartimos un tronco común Martha ya que desciendes de
> José Siriaco Hernández Gamino. Mis bisabuelos eran de Tepatitlán.
> Acerca de tus Arias González es posible que tuvieron un vínculo
> con Tonalá, Jalisco donde bautizaron por lo menos dos hijos.
> JOseph Gabriel como dijo era

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Hola, Daniel,

La informacion sobre los padres y abuelos de Juana Maria de Esquivias la mande en un e mail  que le envie a Jorge

se lo mande ayer si no lo ves avisame y te lo mando otra vez. por lo que dices de los hernandez Gamino si, es verdad eran Primos yo lo vi en su acta de matrimonio dice que fueron dispensados por parentesco.

pero dime que quiere decir ( y disculpa mi ignorancdia) linea agnaticia? Y  linea coagnaticia?

Saludos Martha Gomez
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez y Camino"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2011 3:44:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Hola Martha dijiste que tenias informacion sobre los padres y abuelos de Juana

de Esquivias? Quien era sus abuelos maternos. Gracias.

Daniel Méndez Camino

 

> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:24:42 -0800
> Subject: Re:

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Gracias Martha. Sobre tu pregunta linea agnaticia es la linea recta por varonia (o sea padre a hijo)
cognaticia es linea recto de varonia por el lado materno. No es solamente linea paterno o materno
sino strictamente linea por varonia. Ojala ayude en esta explicacion. Son terminos que realmente
en la genealogia son importantisimo para aprender y utilizar. Son mas escuchados sobre temas
nobiliarias como hijosdalgo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Gracias Martha por los datos que me envías. En cuanto a los padres de María Josefa Arias González, bautizada el 25 de marzo de 1802 en Tepatitlán, solo se que son José Manuel Arias y María Viviana González, pero no tengo nada mas sobre ellos.

De los Esquivias que mencionas, Lorenzo de Esquivias y María de Aceves son los padres de tu ancestro Juan de la Trinidad Esquivias. Lorenzo y María casaron en Tepatitlán el 11 de febrero de 1733. Lorenzo es hijo del Capitán Juan de Esquivias y Marcela Íñiguez. María de Aceves, es hija de Juan de Aceves y Polonia de Torres.

Los Esquivias eran de Nochistlán.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Daniel, espero la información que te envíe te ayude:

Lorenzo de Esquivias es hijo del Capitán Juan de Esquivias (19-05-1671 Nochistlán / 16-10-1765 Tepatitlán) y de Marcela Íñiguez (09-04-1674 Cuquío / 06-03-1728 Nochistlán). Juan de Esquivias y Marcela Íñiguez casaron en Nochistlán el 01 de enero de 1693.

Juan de Esquivias es hijo de Lorenzo de Esquivias y Juana Yáñez del Monte. Juana Yáñez del Monte es hija de Lorenzo Yáñez del Monte y María Rodríguez de la Mora.

Marcela Íñiguez es hija de Antonio Íñiguez y Jacinta de Cuevas, casados es Cuquío el 13 de febrero de 1668. El es hijo de Nicolás Íñiguez y María de Ulloa.

María de Aceves es hija de Juan de Aceves (13-05-1677 Ayo el Chico / 03-06-1752 Tepatitlán) y de Polonia de Torres (01-11-1686 Jalostotitlán / 01-03-1748 Tepatitlán).

Juan de Aceves y Polonia se casaron en Tepatitlán el 10 de febrero de 1709. El es hijo de José de Aceves y Magdalena Ruiz de Velazco y ella lo es de Lázaro Casillas y Cabrera y de Jacinta Ramírez

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Hola, Jorge,

Estaba viendo un e mail que le mandaste a Daniel  acerca de los Esquivias y ya vez que yo los tengo en mi arbol genealogico , y estaba pensando si

tu tendrias tambien a los papas de Maria Ascue la esposa de Lorenzo de Esquivias.

Y tambien te queria preguntar si cuando dices  Nochistlan te refieres a Zacatecas?

Martha Gomez
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Daniel, espero la información que te envíe te ayude:
 
Lorenzo de Esquivias es hijo del Capitán Juan de Esquivias (19-05-1671 Nochistlán / 16-10-1765 Tepatitlán) y de Marcela Íñiguez (09-04-1674 Cuquío / 06-03-1728 Nochistlán). Juan de Esquivias y Marcela Íñiguez casaron en Nochistlán el 01 de enero de 1693.
 
Juan de Esquivias es hijo de Lorenzo de Esquivias y Juana Yáñez del Monte. Juana Yáñez del Monte es

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Muchas Gracias Jorge,

Ahora solo me queda una duda  '' Ascue '' es nombre ? o seria algun apellido que ella adopto? porque segun el libro de Retonos de la Nueva Espana

dice que no era obligatorio que los padres les pusieran sus apellidos antes de los 1800s por esa razon no se si  era nombre  o apellido '' Ascue"

Y mira que yo ya tenia a esta Maria en mi arbol genealogico y casada con Lorenzo de Esquivias y como hija de Juan de Aceves  y Polonia de Torres

pero nunca me imagine que eran la misma persona.

Bueno Jorge muchas Gracias por todo.

Martha Gomez

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2011 10:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Sí Martha, en el correo que envie a Daniel menciono a Nochistlan Zacatecas.

Y los padres de María de Ascue que mencionas es María de Aceves tambien mencionada en el correo

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Estimados primos,

Me llamo muchísimo la atención sus mensajes anteriores porque mencionan varias de mis ramas ancestrales. Contenidos en el siguiente reporte están antepasados míos que Uds. mencionan. Por ejemplo, desciendo de Cristóbal Gutiérrez de Mendoza y María González de Laris, Nicolás Yáñez y Mariana Jiménez, Nicolás Durán y Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, Blas Hernández Gamiño y Luisa Domínguez, Pedro Velasco Navarrete y Mariana de Aceves, Pedro Díaz Castellanos y María Álvarez de la Cruz, Cristóbal Álvarez de la Cruz y Mariana Díaz Castellanos y Lázaro Casillas y Cabrera y Jacinta Ramírez de Mendoza. Además tengo los apellidos González de Hermosillo, Martín del Campo, Macías Valadéz, López Muñoz de Nava, Aceves, y Velásquez.

Dos preguntas: ¿Alguno de Uds. conoce la identidad de los padres de Francisco Velásquez y Antonia de Loza, casados en Tepatitlán el 04 de marzo de 1726? El acta de matrimonio no menciona a los padres de los contrayentes. Y, ¿tuvieron hijos José Luciano

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Hola Martha, creo que si te puedo ayudar en algo. Tengo algo de información de tus ancestros.

Paula Josefa Hernández Esquivias fue bautizada en Tepatitlán el 06 de julio de 1791, hija de José Ciriaco Hernández y Juana María Esquivias, los cuales casaron en Tepatitlán el 27 de febrero de 1786. De ellos solo tengo esto.

José Luciano Gutiérrez Yáñez fue bautizado en Tonalá el 05 de junio de 1789, hijo legítimo de José Mauricio Gutiérrez de Laris y María Margarita Yáñez González.

José Mauricio Gutiérrez de Laris fue bautizado en San Juan de los Lagos el 19 de enero de 1755, hijo legítimo de José Cayetano Gutiérrez de Laris y María Luisa Pérez de Paredes. Casó el 17 de abril de 1776 en Jalostotitlán con María Margarita Yáñez González, hija legítima de José Yáñez y Rosa María González.

José Cayetano Gutiérrez de Laris, es hijo legítimo de Joaquín Gutiérrez de Laris e Isabel de Hermosillo, y casó el 18 de febrero de 1754 en Jalostotitlán con María Luisa Pérez de Paredes, hija legítima

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Hola, Jorge,

quiero agradecerte muchisimo por lo que me enviaste, son como cuatro o mas generaciones, no las he podido pasar a mis archivos porque tengo que salir a trabajar pero ahorita llegue a mi casa y mire a ver si me habias contestado y me quede gratamente sorprendida, me hiciste un gran regalo y te lo agradezco de corazon. Fijate que yo tengo a los papas de Jose Ciriaco , a sus abuelos y tambien a los bisabuelos si te interesa dime y te los mando. y tambien tengo a los padres de Juana y a los abuelos. bueno otra vez muchisimas gracias.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:16:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problemas con una dispensa de matrimonio deLagos de Moreno de 1687.

Hola Martha, creo que si te puedo ayudar en algo. Tengo algo de información de tus ancestros.
 
Paula Josefa Hernández Esquivias fue bautizada en Tepatitlán el 06 de julio de 1791, hija de José Ciriaco

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Claro que sí Martha, sí me puedes pasar los datos de José Ciriaco Hernández y Juana María Esquivias, junto con sus ancestros te lo agradecere mucho. Ademas no se sí pueda conseguirte más datos de tus ancestros de Nochistlan, deja reviso un libro que tengo de genealogía de Nochistlan y te paso los datos sí los tiene el mencionado libro. Saludos.