Hola,
Los testigos son Grigorio Nicolas, mulato; Juan Joseph Hernandes, mulato libre; y Juan Ortis [?], indio.
Los novios son castas, el novio es indio y la novia mestiza.
Muchas Gracias,
Es bueno saber que se puede contar con el apoyo de los miembros de NR.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Hello Everyone, I came across the Guadalajara Census Project and was wondering if anyone has ever ordered the CD-ROM? If so, is it well worth it? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Carol
Hi Maria,
If you have time......would you please look up the surname "LIENDO" and sometimes it was spelled "LIENDRO"........I am at a big roadblock with this surname in Zacatecas in the late 1600s
Hey all,
Occasionally I have had the same problem, but I found that if I went back to the previous page or forward one page then to the page that was blank/black it was then viewable...
I also was experiencing a large gray area at the bottom of a page...again going back to the previous page, or forward to the next corrected that situation.
In check the page that you noted in your posting, it loaded but with a gray area at the bottom of the page, so I went back to the previous page and than to the one you cited and it completely loaded fine.
For me this was happening prior to the new format...At first I thought it was just my computer not loading the page/s fast enough, really don't know why it happens.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: mayangrl@sonic.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:24:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org
Hey all,
I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org. Have they changed
Laura,
When it first came out it looked all black and then a scale appeared that tells you that there's a new feature to family search, that with this scale, you can now see the entire page. This is a great feature. See if you can open it and use the scale. Rather than having to use the little hand to move the page around, you can now move the scale to view all of the page in a smaller scale and then by moving the scale, it enlarges the photo on the spot, depending on the +/-.
Thanks for this discovery!
Alicia
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org
Hey all,
I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org. Have they changed format or something? I'm looking up images and all I get are black pages. I thought it was the new side tool to zoom in/out. This page, for example, is all black. So is every other page I go on. https:/
Thanks, all.
I tried it again just now and am getting the images. Maybe the site was slow last night, or my connection was funky. Weird.
Laura Gonzalez
Happy Day to All,
Check out the Family Search printing option. Once again we're able to print directly from the image.
YEA!!!
Alice
--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 3:07 PM
Laura,
When it first came out it looked all black and then a scale appeared that tells you that there's a new feature to family search, that with this scale, you can now see the entire page. This is a great feature. See if you can open it and use the scale. Rather than having to use the little hand to move the page around, you can now move the scale to view all of the page in a smaller scale and then by moving the scale, it enlarges the photo on the spot, depending on the +/-.
Thanks for this discovery!
Alicia
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12
ALGUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR A PALEOGRAFIAR LA PARTIDA DE MATRIMONIO DE JUAN BECERRA Y DE RITA ISABEL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DIAZ CASTELLANOS, ELLA HIJA DE CRISTOBAL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DE ESTRADA Y DE MARI
Me parece que los nombres son los siguientes:
Juan Becerra, español de La Soledad, hijo legítimo de Josefa Centero y Alfo Becerra, difunto (¿Adolfo?, la parte de abajo de la G del renglón de arriba parece que se intercala en la palabra difto., lo mismo en otras plabras como testigos Augn. -Agustín- y Aguirre)con Yssabel Rita Albares, española de dicho puesto, hija legítima de Xptobal Albares y Marta Dias. Fueron padrinos Pedro Días y Juana Aramburu. Testigos de asistencia Antonio Hilario, Joseph Brabo, Phelipe Aguirre, todos de este pueblo y lo firmé Fray Augustin Gonzales.
Victoriano Navarro
I would like to introduce myself..my name is Juanita Torrez Henniger. We believe that part of my family orginiated from Augascalients and San Luis Potosi.
Maybe in this record yoy see more informationPilar Valdés spouse:the number of the file of their marriagePedro Valdéz spouse:Matiana Sandategroom's name:Pedro Valdezbride's name:Matiana Sandatemarriage date:24 Jun 1877marriage place:San Miguel,Mexquitic,San Luis Potosi,Mexicoindexing project (batch) number:M60549-8system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:710022Romana Baldeschildren:Elisa Baldes, Herlinda Baldes...name:Pilar Baldesevent:Censusevent date:1930event place:Precinct 7, Karnes, Texasgender:Maleage:42marital status:Marriedrace:Mexicanbirthplace:Mexicoestimated birth year:1888immigration year:1912relationship to head of household:Headfather's birthplace:Mexicomother's birthplace:Mexicoenumeration district number:0016family number:117sheet number and letter:7Aline number:12nara publication:T626, roll 2365digital folder number:4547988
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Pilar Valdézbirth: 12 Oct 1889San Luis Petasi, Mexicodeath:06 Mar 1966Harlingen,
Saludos, My name is Elba. I am researching family in the Tepatitlan,
Rincon de Velasquez, and Tototlan area, generally. The surnames I am
researching are Ramirez, Gonzalez, Navarro, Velasquez, Plascencia, Torres.
Starting from 1895 and working backward. I look forward to locating info
and contributing.
--
*Kind regards, *
*Elba Alonso de Ortega*
Juanita,
I have taken a look at the research that you have done on your family, especially on the Valdez-Sandate marriage. Instead of looking in Cerdo, San Luis Potosi look in Mexquitic de Carmona, San Luis Potosi. Here is a link to their marriage record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20473-6640-16?cc=1860864&…
From that marriage record I have been able to identify her christening date, siblings, parents and her grandparents. I have only been able to identify them, I haven't been able to look at the records yet. If you would like, I can send you a list of the people and the dates to research.
thanks,
Jonathan Walker
Jonathan,
Oh wow, this was fast. Thank you so much! I've looked at the link and am having a hard time making out the writing. My Spanish is minimal. I did take Spanish in school and that allows me to figure out words here and there, but it takes me awhile. I'm not familiar with Mexico and the states so I have been doing some reading and research to help me better identify where my ancestors lived. My research has given me a great deal of respect for the hardships that my ancestors endured. I appreciate you looking at my research and I would really appreciate a list of the names so that I might research them.
Thank you,
Juanita Henniger
Welcome, Juanita.
If you haven't already seen these, you'll want to add them to your records
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12586-75546-1?cc=1803956
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/CSD9-LN2
Raul Munoz
Hellow and thank you Raul,
I had actually found the name, but had not been able to find any evidence that Conseulo was their child. I knew all of my great aunts and did not know Conseulo. I had been looking for a death certificate to match and missed the obvious of looking for a birth registration. The census report I did stumble onto last month. But from the this record I see that we have been looking for my great grand mother in the wrong place. Thank you so much. This is extremely helpful. Everyone has been so helpful and I'm so grateful that I found this site.
Thank you,
Juanita Henniger
Johathan,
I found the list of names, christening dates of Sandate sibilings, grandparents etc. I also found a marriage record for Matena's parents, but after looking at the marriage records for that I year I think their might be an error in the date. I'm going to try a different year today. I am having trouble reading and understanding Pedro's parents names. If you could help me with that I'd appreciate it. After reviewing the record you posted I have a awful feeling that I've been researching the wrong Pedro, but I'm grateful that I'm the right path.
Also, since I'm new here, I want to make sure I'm posting in the right forum.
Thank you so much for your help.
Juanita Henniger
For those interested in following Los Altos de Jalisco, Northern
California/Sacramento region, you may want to review the life of Martin
Ramirez, incredible artist who spent the later part of hi
Hola Deborah, éste artista originario de mi bello Tepatitlán ha sido reconocido últimamente en su lugar de nacimiento, donde antes no se tenía conocimiento de él. Se ha publicado un libro sobre su vida y obra en el Consejo de Cronistas de Tepatitlán y al leer sobre él me surgió la necesidad de investigar su genealogía, ya que compartimos el mismo apellido y encontré algo sobre su línea de Ramírez.
Martín Ramírez González.
Padres: Gertrudis Ramírez Medina y Juana González de la Torre.
Abuelos: José Ignacio Ramírez Plascencia y María Francisca Medina Vásquez.
Bisabuelos: Feliciano Ramírez Torres e Ignacia Plascencia Velásquez.
Tatarabuelos: Vicente Ramírez e Ines de Torres.
Es lo poco que tengo sobre Martín Ramírez, si alguno de ustedes me puede ayudar a seguir con la línea se los agradeceré muchísimo.
También quiero comentar que Martín Ramírez es pariente del S.E. Monseñor Francisco Ramírez Navarro, Obispo Auxiliar de la Arquidiócesis de Tlalnepantla, Estado de México ya
Hola Jorge Luis, yo soy una bisnieta de Martin Ramirez. Tengo mucho interes en la informacion que Ud ha encontrado sobre mi familia. Como encontro esta informacion? Tiene Ud actas de nascimiento o de matrimonio? Nosotros (En EEUU) solamente tenemos informacion hasta sus Abuelos: José Ignacio Ramírez Plascencia y María Francisca Medina Vásquez. Me interesa seguir buscando y investigando. Si me puede dirigir a donde encontro esto, lo agradeceriamos mucho.
Saludos,
Elba Alonso de Ortega
Estoy buscando más información de una familia con el apellido Arias en Aguascalientes a principios de los 1800s.
Greetings fellow geneaologists!
Hi my name is Mario. The names I am researching are Valadez and Berumen in Jerez, Susticacan, and Tepetongo(Zac).
Hello Mario,
My research is also in Jerez, Susticacan and Tepetongo. However, my ancestors are Valdez (not Valadez)and Berumen. If you have some names and dates, I would be happy to see If I can assist you in your research.
Good Luck,
Barbara
Mario I also research Jerez, can you give me some dates and names? My line of Valadez connects to Sanchez in Cienega and Santa Rita, Jerez
I also have many Buremen in my records.
Linda in B.C.
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To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 11:04 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
Greetings fellow geneaologists!
Hi my name is Mario. The names I am researching are Valadez and Berumen in Jerez, Susticacan, and Tepetongo(Zac).
For the Jalisco part of my family, my interest are in the Gomez Family of Ayutla.
Looking forward to corresponding with everyone.
my best,
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I just checked my files and found a different set of parents in my files for Jose Nasario Valadez and Maria Josefa Reyes
:
marriage information recorded 20 May 1797 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Nasario Valadez, Indio from Rancho de Santa Rita age 25
parents: Manuel Candelario Valadez and Manuela Casilda de Espinosa
with Maria Josefa de los Reyes Mulata libre from Rancho Santa Barbara age 15
parents: Jose Mariano de los Reyes deceased and Maria Ramona de la Cueva
wit: Francisco Xavier Felix, Francisco Gonzales and Pedro Bermudes Espanoles
posted 21, 25 and 28 May 1797
source: 0439900 Jerez marriage information record
I have 4 children listed for them.
1.Romualda Valadez married to Doroteo Ruiz
2.Francisca born abt 1818
3.Petra Valadez married to Ventura Hernandez
4. Maria Longina Valadez :
baptism 26 MAR 1822 Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Maria Longina born in Santa Rita 9 days old
parents: Nasario Valades and Josefa de los Reyes
pat grn not listed
mat grn: Mariano de los Reyes
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Mario, in the films of monte Escobedo there are some people with the lastname Berumes maybe Berumen thata married with Sanchez-Castellanos. I recomend to search in Monte Escobedo because is a key that many people did not do it. Monte Escobedo was a town with many last names of Jerez and Tlaltenango, Berumes,Martinez de Barragan, Sanchez-Castellanos, Escobedo, Marquez de los Olivos,De la Torre, Carrillo, Felix de Arellano, Ulloa, Soto, del Real, Ruiz de Esquivel, Renteria, Gamboa, Bermudes de Castro, Casas, etc.
I am waiting the films of Colotlan that will be the other lost key to complete the search.
If you want to share information with Sanchez-Castellanos, write me by e-mail
Good look!
Hi Thank you for your email.
Yes, I found the name record. But I am confused on which one to continue.
Are you a Valadez too?
Mario Valadez
Hello!
I am stuck with those 2 files where do I go from there. Which one can I trust?
Mario Valadez
Hi Thank you for your email.
The Berumen names are the following:
Andres Berumen Marquez was born in 1861 or 1862 Susticacan, Zacatecas. He married Jacienta Rivera. They married in 1880.
Marriage Notes for Andres Berumen Marquez 2nd Marriage was 1907.
Generation No. 4
4. Margarito Berumen Zuniga was born in? He married Basilia Marquez.
Children are Berumen Marquez
i. Andres, b.?
ii. Ma. Pantaleona, b.1869
iii. Filomena, b.1872
Generation No. 5
5. Sotero Berumen was born in ? He married Maria Justa Rufina Zuniga ?
Children are Berumen Zuniga
i. Jose, b.1830
ii. Maria Maxima, b.1831
Berumen Origins in Mexico
FRANCISCO DE BERUMEN (O Francisco Berubens)
natural de santiago de Compostela, nacido en Guipúzcoa, judío
sefardita.
En 1653 llega a Zacatecas. a mediados de 1658 contrae matrimonio con Juana de Vera y Miramontes.
Juana de Vera, nacida en Tlaltenango en 1636, hija de Juan de Vera (de
Malpaso e hijo de Santiago
Welcome, Mario. Here is a link that I found very useful (it is not my work). Hopefully, it will be of some help. Good Luck!
Alguien sabe donde puedo localizar los archivos de nacimientos (registro civil) registrados en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco del año 1872 hasta el 1875. Gracias.
Church records link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
• Bautismos 1869-1871
• Bautismos 1869-1882
• Bautismos 1871-1872
• Bautismos 1872-1873
• Bautismos 1873-1875
Civil link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
Thanks in advance. I believe I had already searched those links and didn´t find civil registration for the years I´m looking for but maybe I passed them by without noticing them so I´ll go ahead and take a look again. In any case, thanks for the heads up I´ll post later if I find what I´m looking for.
Favian
Hola Primos:
Les pido su ayuda, si algen sabe en donde estan las actas de registro civil de chinampas, y cienega de mata para los años 1882 al 1893.
Hey Peeps...
I will be deleting my "scooterpie" email account and replacing it with this:
Please make a note of it....
Peggy
Hello group,
Can anyone tell me what is the purpose of research@lists.nuestrosranchos and who subscribes?
Thanks so much, Alice Blake
There are three groups. The research@nuestrosranchos.org group is
specifically for the discussion of genealogy that relates to the Mexican
states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
With regards to who subscribes it can be anyone with roots in Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes that demonstrates they are serious about
their research. Currently the research@nuestrosranchos.org discussion board
shows a membership of 767 individuals.
The general@nuestrosranchos.org group is for discussion of genealogy that
might deviate to some degree from our target states but long and drawn out
discussions away from our focus are discouraged.
The announce@nuestrosranchos.org group is for announcements
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Alice Blake
> Sent: Wednesday, September
How could I obtain the birth certificate of my father, born in Sombrerete, Zac. and baptized at the parroquia de San Juan Bautista?
Hi,
In my own opinion, $200 USD is too much. The actual birth certificate should cost anywhere between $20-30 USD plus "person's time" & mailing cost.
The ideal scenario, would be if you had relatives in Sombrete and if they could do the process of requesting the Birth Certificate for your Father and then mail it to you. This is what my relatives have done when they need orginal Mexican birth certificates.
Your other option would be seeking advise or guidance at your local Mexican Consulate, they should be able to help you out.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
I also need to know where I could find birth/baptism records for Aguascalientes.
Where would we look for them? Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
try this
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
________________________________
From: "agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
I also need to know where I could find birth/baptism records for Aguascalientes.
Where would we look for them? Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
Erlinda, thank you for your quick response! I appreciate the lead and hope I
can find what I'm looking for. Have a good evening.
Ann M. Gutierrez
________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
try this
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
________________________________
From: "agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
I also need to know where I could find birth/baptism records for Aguascalientes.
Where would we look for them? Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
your welcome
Linda in B.Cl
________________________________
From: Ann M. Gutierrez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
Erlinda, thank you for your quick response! I appreciate the lead and hope I
can find what I'm looking for. Have a good evening.
Ann M. Gutierrez
________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 7:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
try this
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
________________________________
From: "agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
I also need to know where I could find birth/baptism records for Aguascalientes.
Where
Thank you linda
Ronnie
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:15:37 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
>
> try this
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:14 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalients records
>
> I also need to know where I could find birth/baptism records for Aguascalientes.
> Where would we look for them? Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
>
To navigate there, rather than a direct link: go to https://www.familysearch.org/. Then scroll down to the "Mexico" link; this next page is in a somewhat adhoc/alphabetical order, so look through it carefully - the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 23rd links in the list are searchable records that have been transcribed by LDS for Census (1930), deaths, baptisms, and marriages respectively. There are SOME transcribed records for Aguascalientes in these searchable links. There are other links by state/territory as well, but Aguascalientes in not in the list.
The 7th link is "Mexico, Catholic Church Records" - these are scanned images of church record books - they contain far more than the searchable links above. If you click this link, you'll see a "Browse through 16,596,760 images" link. Click this link, then click on "Aguascalientes" (the state), then on "Aguascalientes" (the township/county). Then you'll see a list of church names or civil repositories. Click on the one you want, and now you can
Para festejar los días patrios de nuestro lindo México:
Suave Patria, del zacatecano Ramón López Velarde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGDKgCALZ8
Saludos a todos
Luis A. Valdes
Igualmente Paisano,
Soy de Jalpa, Zacatecas.........
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From: valdesla@prodigy.net.mx
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Suave Patria
Para festejar los días patrios de nuestro lindo México:
Suave Patria, del zacatecano Ramón López Velarde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGDKgCALZ8
Saludos a todos
Luis A. Valdes
I found this website to be very informative in explaining the various DNA linking of individuals...Mutations and Haplotypes ...
Genetic Science Learning Center
University of Utah
http://l
Hello Pat,
Thanks to your informational site, I believe what I need from familytree DNA is the YDNA 37 -mt DNA Plus. It goes for 299.00, however, if you participate in one of their projects, you're given a slight discount for 269.00. I assume you receive the same info for 269. as for 299.
If anyone has done this, it would be great to read about your level of satisfaction. Thanks so much. Alice
--- On Thu, 9/13/12, Pat Corbera wrote:
From: Pat Corbera
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 7:58 PM
I found this website to be very informative in explaining the various DNA linking of individuals...Mutations and Haplotypes ...
Genetic Science Learning Center
University of Utah
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/mutation_haplotype…
Pat Silva Corbera
Hi Alice,
The information received, whether you pay $299.00 or $269.00 would be the same as outlined in the informational description for that test combination. The discount is being offered when participating in one of the Projects.
All the FamilyTree DNA testing done for my family over the years has been to my satisfaction. Their service representatives have always been very helpful.
I will continue to use FamilyTree DNA in the future for any additional testing.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:20:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
Hello Pat,
Thanks to your informational site, I believe what I need from familytree DNA is the YDNA 37 -mt DNA Plus. It goes for 299.00, however, if you participate in one of their projects, you're given a slight discount for 269.00. I assume you receive the same info for 269. as for 299.
If anyone has done
Thank you again, Pat. Alice
--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Pat Corbera wrote:
From: Pat Corbera
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 7:01 AM
Hi Alice,
The information received, whether you pay $299.00 or $269.00 would be the same as outlined in the informational description for that test combination. The discount is being offered when participating in one of the Projects.
All the FamilyTree DNA testing done for my family over the years has been to my satisfaction. Their service representatives have always been very helpful.
I will continue to use FamilyTree DNA in the future for any additional testing.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:20:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
Hello Pat,
Thanks to your informational site, I believe what I need from familytree DNA is
Alice, you're more than welcome. Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:38:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
Thank you again, Pat. Alice
--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Pat Corbera wrote:
From: Pat Corbera
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genetic Science - DNA
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 7:01 AM
Hi Alice,
The information received, whether you pay $299.00 or $269.00 would be the same as outlined in the informational description for that test combination. The discount is being offered when participating in one of the Projects.
All the FamilyTree DNA testing done for my family over the years has been to my satisfaction. Their service representatives have always been very helpful.
I will continue to use FamilyTree DNA in the future for any additional testing.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
Thank you for posting this Pat the website explains how each of the four types of DNA testing works in a way that is very easy to understand.
You're more than welcome, I found it very simple to understand...My kind of website that focus on explaining and not on technical information.
Pat
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From: rmcneal103@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:49:09 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
Thank you for posting this Pat the website explains how each of the four types of DNA testing works in a way that is very easy to understand.
I miss the address of the website that explains DNA in easy terms. Would you share it with me ?
Thank you !!
Felipe
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:23:38 +0000
> From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
>
>
> You're more than welcome, I found it very simple to understand...My kind of website that focus on explaining and not on technical information.
> Pat
>
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> Thank you for posting this Pat the website explains how each of the four types of DNA testing works in a way that is very easy to understand.
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Pat,
I didn't get the address either.
Alicia
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From: Felipe Michel Olmo
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
I miss the address of the website that explains DNA in easy terms. Would you share it with me ?
Thank you !!
Felipe
Alicia and NR Members,
I'm going to re-post my original posting of the website...
"I found this website to be very informative in explaining the various DNA linking of individuals...Mutations and Haplotypes ...
Genetic Science Learning Center
University of Utah
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/mutation_haplotype…
Pat Silva Corbera
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Pat,
I didn't get the address either.
Alicia
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From: Felipe Michel Olmo
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
I miss the address of the website that explains DNA in easy terms. Would you share it with me ?
Thank you !!
Felipe
Hello Felipe,
This is the website that I found to be very informative in explaining the various DNA linking of individuals...Mutations and Haplotypes ...
Genetic Science Learning Center
University of Utah
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/mutation_haplotype…
Pat Silva Corbera
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From: "Felipe Michel Olmo"
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
I miss the address of the website that explains DNA in easy terms. Would you share it with me ?
Thank you !!
Felipe
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:23:38 +0000
> From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
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>
> You're more than welcome, I found it very simple to understand...My kind of website that focus on explaining and not on technical information.
> Pat
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> ----- Original Message -----
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Muchas Gracias !
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:37:30 +0000
> From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
>
>
> Hello Felipe,
>
> This is the website that I found to be very informative in explaining the various DNA linking of individuals...Mutations and Haplotypes ...
>
> Genetic Science Learning Center
>
> University of Utah
>
>
> http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/mutation_haplotype…
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Felipe Michel Olmo"
> To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat Silva Corbera's DNA explanation
>
> I miss the address of the website that explains DNA in easy terms. Would you share it with me ?
>
> Thank you !!
>
> Felipe
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:23:38 +0000
> > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net
> > To: research
Does anyone know where I can search for a book on the history of San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco called "La cruz de Piedra." I tried on Amazon, at hispanic bookstores here and could not find it.
It's sold here in town.
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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book on San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco
Does anyone know where I can search for a book on the history of San Diego
de Alejandria, Jalisco called "La cruz de Piedra." I tried on Amazon, at
hispanic bookstores here and could not find it. If anyone can help. I would
appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for your quick response to my question regarding the book. You
say it is sold here in town---can you tell me if it is a bookstore and the name
of it? Can I go online to purchase it? Your assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Ana Maria...
Ann M. Gutierrez
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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, September 17, 2012 8:21:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book on San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco
It's sold here in town.
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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book on San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco
Does anyone know where I can search for a book on the history of San Diego
de Alejandria, Jalisco called "La cruz de Piedra." I tried on Amazon, at
hispanic
Here is something but not very many libraries own it:
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Title: Tres años y quince días sin culto católico en esta parroquia de San
Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco :
recopilación de datos proporcionados por los mismos combatientes, 1927, 1928
y 1929 /
Author(s): Cerrillo, Domingo E.
Publication: Zapopan, Jalisco, México : Amate Editorial,
Year: 2002
Description: 263 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
Language: Spanish
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Cristero Rebellion, 1926
Hello Everyone, I guess I was not paying attention but where can I find Aguascalientes records on familyseach.org/collection/list.
This is a late reply to Randy McNeal's message. I too just received a partial results on my Y-DNA testing. I too am surprised at
the conclusions of the test results.
Below is a brief article that may explain the Scottish, Irish, English showing up in your DNA
Irish origin myths confirmed by modern scientific evidence
One of the oldest texts composed in Ireland is the Leabhar Gabhla, the Book of Invasions. It tells a semi-mythical history of the waves of people who settled in Ireland in earliest time. It says the first settlers to arrive in Ireland were a small dark race called the Fir Bolg, followed by a magical super-race called the Tuatha de Danaan (the people of the goddess Dana).
Most interestingly, the book says that the group which then came to Ireland and fully established itself as rulers of the island were the Milesians - the sons of Mil, the soldier from Spain. Modern DNA research has actually confirmed that the Irish are close genetic relatives of the people of northern Spain.
While it might seem strange that Ireland was populated from Spain rather than Britain or France, it is worth remembering that in ancient times the sea was one
The DNA that is in common between the Spanish and the Irish is R1b Y-DNA. This DNA is the most common throughout Western Europe and not just Ireland and Spain. Rolando tested positive for R1b1a2 shorthand R-M269 which from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29#R1b1a2_.28R-M26… "The frequency is about 71% in Scotland, 70% in Spain and 60% in France. In south-eastern England the frequency of this clade is about 70%; in parts of the rest of north and western England, Spain, Portugal, Wales and Ireland, it is as high as 90%; and in parts of north-western Ireland it reaches 98%. It is also found in North Africa, where its frequency surpasses 10% in some parts of Algeria.[29]
That means a significant number of people from Scotland, Spain, France, England, Portugal, Wales, and Ireland have common ancestry. Based on calculations of mutation rates the common ancestor lived 9,500 years ago. Based on posts by Dienekes at http://dienekes.blogspot.com/ there were
From http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/proto-indo-european-homeland-in.ht…
Y-haplogroups J2, and R1 so conspicuously absent from Neolithic Europe down to 5ka (and in the case of J2, completely missing from the record altogether) must have entered Europe at some point. Did they take the fast train into Europe post-5ka, or did they lurk in both Anatolia and Europe pre-5ka? Thanks to the BEAN project we might find out.
The idea that ~5ka something happened in Europe is also supported by the paper:
Despite support for an Anatolian Indo- European origin, we think it unlikely that agriculture serves as the sole driver of language expansion on the continent. The five major Indo-European subfamilies—Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian—all emerged as distinct lineages between 4000 and 6000 years ago (Fig. 2 and fig. S1), contemporaneous with a number of later cultural expansions evident in the archaeological record, including the Kurgan expansion (5–7).
I would highly reccomend reading, The Origins of the British, A Genetic Detective Story by Stephen Oppenheimer.
There is a very interesting chapter which discusses the Celts - the Irish, Scots and Welsh - Stephen Oppenheimer's genetic synthesis shows the majority to have arrived via the Atlantic coastal route from Ice Age refuges including the Basque country; with the modern languages we call Celtic arriving later. Oppenhiemer follows individual genes from samples collected from people living in small, long-established towns, whose grandparents had also lived there rather than whole populations. The geographical distribution of individual gene lines is analysed with respect to their position on a gene tree, to reconstruct their origins, dates and routes of movement.
The book is a fairly easy read and his findings are based on archaeology, anthropology and genetic research.
Oppenheimer is with The Bradshaw Foundation based in Geneva.
Stephen Oppenheimer wrote his book in 2006. There have been a lot of advances in Y-DNA since then. Also in order to say the Irish were direct descendants of Spaniards or Iberians there would have to be SNPs found only in the two areas or ifalso found in other areas there should be proof that where ever the SNPs were found there is proof that all of these people were directly related. According to what I have read about the book Stephen Oppenheimer does not provide that proof. He only makes assumptions or a hypothesis and not a proven scientific theory.
Also, Stephen Oppenheimer used Y-STR data for his assumption. Dienekes shows us Why Y-STR haplotype clusters are not clades http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-y-str-haplotype-clusters-are-n…
The following document shows the Y-DNA data that Oppenheimer used - http://www.jogg.info/32/campbell.pdf
In it we can see that at the time Oppenheimer wrote his book they used haplogroups descriptors of a maximum of 7 characters. If
Armando, thanks for your assessment, I have been looking for updated information on Oppenheimer's theory, in a form that isn't written for geneticists (which is what attracted me to his studies to begin with.)
Even though I will have to print your message and get my DNA cheat sheet out to figure out what you said, I did get the message that DNA testing has come a long way since Oppenheimer wrote his book and that his theory hasn't held up over the years.
Thanks Randy and Armando - Your leads, advice, info have been extremely helpful. The more that I learn the more I realize how much further I need to study. I am going to acquire Oppenheimer's book, even if it is outdated. I am obtaining books on DNA in order to understand the terminology.
I hope to pursue more DNA testing in the future but I am still working on understanding what has already been revealed.
Rolando Romo
Rolando,
Your money would have been better spent on a Deep Clade test. That way you could know where you fall on the on R1b tree and you could also join a project belonging to that subclade.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades
Oppenheimer's book will only cause confusion.
As far as all of the people that you have 12 marker matches with. All that is known by scientists is that there was a change from Neolothic hunter-gatherers to Bronze age farmers about 5,000 years ago and that there is no evidence of R1 prior to 5,000 years ago. Therefore the R1 haplogroups were most likely the ones that took farming and bronze age weapons to all of Western Europe, including Spain, Ireland, Scandinavia, France, Grmany, etc. These are our ancestors and the ancestors of the people you have a match with. A Deep Clade test will narrow the the number people you are related to.
Armando
Randy,
You should also get a Y-DNA test from FamilyTreeDNA and then a Deep Clade test so you can see first hand with your own DNA what is going on.
The autosomal DNA tests from Ancestry.com, 23andme, and FamilytreeDNA are very generalized and include naming a certain groups that isn't proven. If they had autosomal DNA from skeletons from every one hundred years going back 5,000 years or more in multiple areas and had autosomal DNA that was specific to a certain area then they could use the naming that they have. But they don't have that. Therefore, it is all conjecture for the names of the nationalities that they use. At least 23andme allows people to see the DNA that is matched with others. If you are going to get an autosomal test they are the best to go with. However, it seems the new Genographic 2.0 test will encompass Y-DNA, mt-DNA and autosomal. I would like to see a comparison of their results against the other testing.
Armando
Armando, I am looking at also getting the National Geographic test, because of your past postings on this subject for that very reason.
My main interest in the Basque Celt DNA is I am affraid my results may come back very confusing because of my Celt and Spanish ancestry.
Randy, The National Geographic test does seem to be the best for those that haven't done previous testing or for those that have done Y-DNA but not mt-DNA and Autosomal testing. I'd still like to see a comparison of the autosomal results with those of 23andme. However, doing both is very expensive.
Celt and Spanish Y-DNA is actually the same. They share ancestors. What we don't know is who specifically the ancestors were and at what specific time there was a divergence. Only averages can be used but averages aren't definitive. Maybe in time they will find remains of people they can test and it will answer who descends from who.
You are most likely going to be R1b but you'll also want the subclade (Deep Clade) so you know where you fall on the R1b tree - http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades
Since your living uncle and some male cousins on your mothers side are Reynoso, and are the ones with Y-DNA in Los Altos, you should also see if they are
Randy, I don't know if you noticed that I had written in a different thread that the National Geographic Geno 2.0 SNP test will do Deep Ancestry (Haplogroup identification) testing but not STR Y37/Y67/Y111 tests. Therefore, a Y-DNA 37 marker test from FamilytreeDNA is recommended along side the National Genographic Geno 2.0 SNP test. Hopefully you are able to do the Y-DNA STR 37 marker test also.
A Y-DNA 37 marker match will tell you if you are related to another person within about 20 generations, which could be about 500 years.
The National Geographic Geno 2.0 SNP test will tell you which subclade you belong to. Other people in the same subclade could be related to you within about 5,000 years or less. A subclade is downstream of a haplogroup.
http://dna-explained.com/2012/07/26/geno-2-0-qa-with-bennett-greenspan/
http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22004
Rolando Romo took the 37 marker test. He had questions about people with 12 marker matches which is just a
I have not received any of the NR e-mail notifications for several days, but there have been new postings.
I have not changed my notification preferences.
Is there a problem with the system?
I've been wondering the same thing. I haven't received the normal number of emails lately.
Juan Aguayo
Hi, I've read the film entry of Prudencio Marin de Errera where he married
Nicolaza Paula San Martin Estrada where he married in 1757
It says "no resulto impedimento alguno" and does not mention that he was a
I recently visited the Tlaltenango area for the first time, and I did confirm that the ranch in reference is El Rancho de La Era and not Loera or Ena. It still exists, outside of Tlaltenango.
Another interesting find that confirms your suspicion that the Pedro Herreras in Rancho de Loera are not your Prudencio Herrera...
There is a Prudencio Herrera, soltero who appears in the census under Rancho de Michaela Ponce, but just squeezed in at the end and the next rancho is none other than Rancho de las Ranas, where there appear two sets of Herrera brothers: Juan Antonio Herrera married to Lugarda de los Santos Orozco and Juan Pedro Herrera; and Luis Florencio Herrera married to Maria Tiburcia Perez de Texeda and Cayetano Valerio.
I am pretty certain that the two sets of brothers are all siblings and they are listed with their grandmother Petra Roldana, viuda. I know that the father of this second set of brothers was Cayetano Marin de Herrera and their mother was Ana Santiago de Llamas.
I know that Petra Roldana was mother of Cayetano Marin de Herrera through a marriage dispensation from Luz Montejano's book. I also know that Juan Pedro Herrera and Cayetano Valerio were
WOW....thanks so much...we were right! What year was this census recorded?
Does it say how old Nicolasa was?
Just curios...were there many other surnames that you were able to find
under both these ranchos.
Esperanza
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Esperanza:
Going back through the census I am extracting there is another bit of information that might be helpful for you. In the same Rancho de los Loera where the first set of Pedro Herreras are found, there is the San Martin Estrada Magallanes family. The father is already passed away but the mother Maria Elena Magallanes is there with several children including Nicolasa San Martin:
You wrote:
Hi, I've read the film entry of Prudencio Marin de Errera where he married
Nicolaza Paula San Martin Estrada where he married in 1757
It says "no resulto impedimento alguno" and does not mention that he was a
"viudo".
Also, it says he was vecino del rancho de "Ojo dela rana"
It appears he might have been born about 1744
She was from the _________ dela Ena?
His father was Luis Marin Herrera and mother Maria Roza Serrano (both
deceased by 1757)
Her father was Gregorio San Martin Estrada and Maria Elena Magallanas
The census reads under Rancho de los Loera:
Maria Elena, viuda
Gregrio
I was noticing that I may be distantly related to Maria Elena Magallanas that you described from the Census.
This is from information that I have collected from IGI:
Anttonio DE MAGALLANES married Gregoria MIRAMONTES daughter of Juan DE MIRAMONTES and Maria DE AVILA on 14 Jun 1705 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
They had the following children:
i. Juan Joseph MAGALLANES MIRAMONTES was christened on 12 Apr 1705 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
ii. Hanjelina Figenia MAGALLANES MIRAMONTES was christened on 3 Jun 1708 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
iii. Maria Elena MAGALLANES MIRAMONTES was christened on 8 Apr 1711 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
iv. Po. Fabio MAGALLANES MIRAMONTES was christened on 8 Sep 1722 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
v. Antonio Sipriano MAGALLANES.
Antonio Sipriano married Juana GAETA ALMEDA daughter of Thomas DE GAETA and Maria DE ALMEDA on 15 May 1749 in San
Angie:
These are the Magallanes listed in the census. Note, these are only the persons who have a surname explicitly listed. Often times the surnames are omitted from the list of children's names after they are listed for the father and/or mother...
Magallanes:
Antonio
Bernardo
Christobal
Feliciana
Felix
Florencia
Francisca
Gertrudis
Gregorio Antonio
Joseph
Juana Justa
María
Pedro
Raimundo
Ygnacio
The main cluster of Magallanes is listed under El Rancho de Santa Cruz de la Guardia alias El Rincon de Correas, where Christobal Magallanes is listed with his wife Ysabel Correa and their children.
Thanks, I do have that family of Christobal, but I don't have him linked to anyone. I am not sure if he is the same Xpttobal baptized in 1705. But I am related to the Correas (Ysabel's parents are in my direct line) and so have him listed with that family.
This is from information that I have collected from IGI:
Christoval DE MAGALLANES married Ysabel CORREA GONSALEZ daughter of Andres Martines CORREAS and Thomasa GONSALEZ. Ysabel was christened on 16 Feb 1711 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
They had the following children:
i. Bernardo Joseph MAGALLANES CORREAS was christened on 11 Apr 1730 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Bernardo Joseph married Maria Getrudis Margarita DE ROBLES daughter of Caietano DE ROBLES and Juana DE AVILA on 20 Jun 1747 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
ii. Thomasa Ysabel MAGALLANES MARTINEZ was christened on 2 Jan 1732 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Thomasa Ysabel married
Hi, I've read the film entry of Prudencio Marin de Errera where he married
Nicolaza Paula San Martin Estrada where he married in 1757
It says "no resulto impedimento alguno" and does not mention that he was a
"viudo".
Also, it says he was vecino del rancho de "Ojo dela rana"
It appears he might have been born about 1744
She was from the _________ dela Ena?
His father was Luis Marin Herrera and mother Maria Roza Serrano (both
deceased by 1757)
Her father was Gregorio San Martin Estrada and Maria Elena Magallanas
I am trying to figure out where they all were born??? Although both
Prudencio and Nicolaza are listed as "Espanoles", I truly doubt they were born in
Spain....
The reason I think that Prudencio might have been married several times is
that in batch number C607125, film number 443811 - a grandaughter born in 1817
(Maria Felipa de los Dolores) was born to PRUDENCIO HERRERA and MANUELA
ESTRADA and RODUCINDO DE ROBLES and PAULINA CABALLERO - the father was
Espanoles definitely does not mean they were born in Spain. It is simply a caste designation... so they were of the second-highest caste (next to peninsular, which would designate someone born in Spain). When someone is born in Spain, they go out of the way to mention it (as that would make them penisular) and state where in Spain they were born ... something like "natural de Madrid en los Reinos de Castilla"
I am still reading that Tlaltenango Marriage film from the 1600s and will keep my eyes open for any other "Marin de Herrera." Perhaps Luis was a brother of Cayetano?
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From: Latina1955@aol.com
Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 01:49:57 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marin de Herrera in Tlaltenango
Hi, I've read the film entry of Prudencio Marin de Errera where he married
Nicolaza Paula San Martin Estrada where he married in 1757
It says "no resulto impedimento alguno" and does not mention that he was a
"viudo".
Also
Thanks---that would be great! I would love to share with my family that our
humble origins were in fact among the first to settle in Tlaltenango.
Thanks so much for keeping this in mind,
Esperanza
Chgo arealand
Break through!!! Your suggestion that Marin Herrera was a surname was
extremely helpful.
Luis Marin Herrera married in 1733 Maria Rosa Serrano one of the parents
of Luis Marin Herrera was mentioned: "Lucia Marina" (could be Marin) - no
father mentioned.
I did see a Luis Marin Llamas born in 1731, whose father was Cayetano Marin
de Errera and mother was Ana Santiago Llamas. Like you, I believe Luis and
Cayetano were related...
Thanks so much for your insight. Now, back to work.
Esperanza
To Everyone who mentioned the unfilmed records in Zacatecas in our areas of
interest:
Now is the time for action. Please! Can anyone give me specifics? Book
numbers pages, loose pages, etc.
I sent an e-mail to Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia regarding what was
said. He is interested and would like specifics. When he asks he usually
does something about it. He is in a position to do. The email below is
Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...
Elvira I don't personally know how to answer your question. Arturo
Ramos said before that in Colotlan, Jalisco there are Franciscan
records that are unavailble on microfilm and difficult to access in
person, but you were asking about Zacatecas. All that I"m saying below
might be very different than what you are talking about. If so please
shelf this diversion and we can talk about it after others reply with
those specific unfilmed records are discussed. I just can't remember
who started and where the location was.
On my wish list---below is a list of records available at different
archives but not available through the LDS on microfilm (at least
according to Dr. Lyman Platt):
Fresnillo Padron 1770 AAG
Fresnillo Padron 1772-1773 AGI Guadalajara 348
Sombrerete Padron 1777 AGI Indiferentes 1526
Tlaltenango:
and though the LDS Lib has this one Padrones 1754-1780
FHL INTL Film
1219415
According to Dr. Platt the 1772-1777 is available
Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...
Though Colotlan is in the State of Jalisco for governmental purposes,
its parrish is part of the Diocese of Zacatecas and geographically it
is basically part of Zacatecas as there is no way in or out of the town
without going through Zacatecas.
As far as all of the other documents that you mention, those are all in
custody of the Spanish Ministry of Culture in Spain, thus Samuel
Sanchez's team that is presently in Zacatecas would not really be able
to film those very easily. Those should become available digitally any
time now via AER. If not, you can order copies of the documents or
films from them. I have done so already and they are very efficient,
if expensive.
Message from Deena Ortiz drortiz@...
I am very interested in knowing more about the "unfilmed" records of
Sombrerete. You say the information should be available shortly via AER. I
am not familiar with this term.
~Deena Ortiz~
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:54:37 -0000
From: "Arturo Ramos"
As far as all of the other documents that you mention, those are all in
custody of the Spanish Ministry of Culture in Spain, thus Samuel
Sanchez's team that is presently in Zacatecas would not really be able
to film those very easily. Those should become available digitally any
time now via AER. If not, you can order copies of the documents or
films from them. I have done so already and they are very efficient,
if expensive.
Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...
Sorry about that Deena. I hate it when people throw acronyms at me
and now you have caught me doing just that.
AER is Archivos Españoles en Red
Anyone can sign up for an account and they are in the process of
digitizing (scanning) all of their collection and for those documents
that have already been digitized, you can simply pull them up and
view them online through the AER website:
http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp
I think the Sombrerete Padron that Joseph mentions is the following.
If so it is not yet digitized, but you can probably order a hard copy.
Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16403.15.1564//INDIFERENTE,1526
Título Padrones generales de los habitantes de Indias
Alcance y Contenido Padrones generales de los habitantes de Indias.
Nivel de Descripción Fracción de Serie-Unidad de Instalación
Fecha(s) [f] 1777
Signatura(s) INDIFERENTE,1526
Volumen 1 Legajo(s)
Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...
Here is the correspondence that I have been having with Mr. Sanchez
re: the unfilmed records in Jerez and Colotlan:
Arturo, Ojala que este senor Sanchez nos pueda ayudar con la
filmacion de los registros en Jerez y Colotlan. Voy a estar en Utah
en la biblioteca en Mayo, voy a volver a preguntar acerca del
progreso de nuestra peticion. Me parece que te comente que le escribi
al obispado solicitando permiso para ver los archivos en la
Inmaculada. Desgraciadamente no recibi contestacion. Voy a hablar por
telefono, haber que me dicen. "No hay peor lucha que la que no se
hace". Seguiremos en contacto susana ----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos To: 'B. Samuel Sanchez G.' Cc:
susyfarias@... Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: Recomendacion
Señor Sánchez:
Mi número es +1-202-460-4589 (móvil) o +1-202-429-1515 (oficina). No
sabe canto gusto me da recibir su mensaje, ya que acabo de ir a
México
Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...
I just got off the phone with Mr. Sanchez and yes, they do have a
filiming team down in Zacatecas now and are simply trying to get the
exact information re: the location and condition of the records that
they might film.
Let us cross our fingers and see if we can make this a reality. It
would be a big boon to our efforts.
If anybody else knows of records other than Colotlan and Jerez in the
region of Zacatecas that are not filmed, please contact Mr. Sanchez and
give him the details ASAP.
Sanchez-Castellanos
Alguien sabe cual es el estatus de los fims que iban a ser digitalizados de la feligresia de Jerez????
Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books
Enviado por Nuestros Ranchos el Jue, 2006-02-23 01:48.
Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...
Here is the correspondence that I have been having with Mr. Sanchez
re: the unfilmed records in Jerez and Colotlan:
Arturo, Ojala que este senor Sanchez nos pueda ayudar con la
filmacion de los registros en Jerez y Colotlan. Voy a estar en Utah
en la biblioteca en Mayo, voy a volver a preguntar acerca del
progreso de nuestra peticion. Me parece que te comente que le escribi
al obispado solicitando permiso para ver los archivos en la
Inmaculada. Desgraciadamente no recibi contestacion. Voy a hablar por
telefono, haber que me dicen. "No hay peor lucha que la que no se
hace". Seguiremos en contacto susana ----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos To: 'B. Samuel Sanchez G.' Cc:
susyfarias@
I have my grandmothers birth certificate from 1902 my great grandfather
was Casimiro Marquez Ramires San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco. His parent were:
En estos dias hice una queja a la empresa LuLu que distribuye el libro de Familias antiguas de Tlaltenango, ya que hice mi pedido desde el 14 de junio de este ano y aun no lo he recibido, la empresa s
Yo también pedí el libro y lo recibí sin problemas. Muy probablemente, su experiencia fue un incidente aislado. Usted verá que valió la pena la espera. ¡Buena suerte!
Sanchez-Castellanos
Por fin he recibido el libro, lo he leido y me ha motivado ha escribir la historia de mi familia, aun me hace falta mucha informacion pero es una motivacion el desenredar un poco la historia de la region. Si alguien de los que investigan a la familia Sanchez-Castellanos tiene informacion que me pueda aportar a fin de realizar esta obra favor de contactarme.
Gracias
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