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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado Alessandro, posiblemente solamente revisaste las actas de matrimonio de la Barca, Jalisco, correspondiente a los años 1766 y cercanos, los datos que proporcionas,son los que se asientan en un acta matrimonial, pero cuando los datos se asientan de esta manera es porque antes se llevo a cabo una presentacion,con los padres de los novios y testigos. Y los datos recabados en esta presentacion eran plasmados en un documento que se llama informacion matrimonial. Como tu no mencionas si ya revisaste las informaciones matrimoniales de la epoca que buscas "1766", tampoco nos dices si en el archivo de la Barca existen o no, estas informaciones matrimoniales, es la razon por la cual te pregunto: "Ya revisaste las informaciones matrimoniales de esta epoca" "Existen o no existen estas informaciones en la Barca".
Voy a revisar las informaciones matrimoniales de la Barca, Jalisco, despues te informo si encuentro, algo. sin otro particular te envio un afectuoso

Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado Alessandro, posiblemente solamente revisaste las actas de matrimonio de la Barca, Jalisco, correspondiente a los años 1766 y cercanos, los datos que proporcionas,son los que se asientan en un acta matrimonial, pero cuando los datos se asientan de esta manera es porque antes se llevo a cabo una presentacion,con los padres de los novios y testigos. Y los datos recabados en esta presentacion eran plasmados en un documento que se llama informacion matrimonial. Como tu no mencionas si ya revisaste las informaciones matrimoniales de la epoca que buscas "1766", tampoco nos dices si en el archivo de la Barca existen o no, estas informaciones matrimoniales, es la razon por la cual te pregunto: "Ya revisaste las informaciones matrimoniales de esta epoca" "Existen o no existen estas informaciones en la Barca".
Voy a revisar las informaciones matrimoniales de la Barca, Jalisco, despues te informo si encuentro, algo. sin otro particular te envio un afectuoso

Cuál es la fecha de matrimonio? Yo tengo a un Eleuterio Valdivia de Cañadas de Obregón, quizás sea el mismo. Saludos

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] VALDIVIA / NAVARRO de los Altos de Jalisco

Hola todos, quisiera saber si alguien en el grupo esta haciendo genealogia de las familias Valdivia y Navarro de los Altos de Jalisco. Estoy un poco atorado y necesito saber si alguien puede ayudarme. La pareja que busco es Joseph Eleuterio Valdivia casado con Francisca Navarro. Tengo la fecha de su matrimonio y ya revise el documento, pero lamentablemente no mencionan a los padres de ninguno. No he podido encontrar al Inf Mat para ver si ahi los mencionan.

Seria posible que alguien me pueda dar una pista o informacion adicional? Se los agradeceria mucho

Cuál es la fecha de matrimonio? Yo tengo a un Eleuterio Valdivia de Cañadas de Obregón, quizás sea el mismo. Saludos

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de viteliky@hotmail.com
Enviado el: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:12 AM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] VALDIVIA / NAVARRO de los Altos de Jalisco

Hola todos, quisiera saber si alguien en el grupo esta haciendo genealogia de las familias Valdivia y Navarro de los Altos de Jalisco. Estoy un poco atorado y necesito saber si alguien puede ayudarme. La pareja que busco es Joseph Eleuterio Valdivia casado con Francisca Navarro. Tengo la fecha de su matrimonio y ya revise el documento, pero lamentablemente no mencionan a los padres de ninguno. No he podido encontrar al Inf Mat para ver si ahi los mencionan.

Seria posible que alguien me pueda dar una pista o informacion adicional? Se los agradeceria mucho

yo,tengo los libros que inf. necesitas?
en el acta de matrimonio no menciona la edad de los novios? porque si te dice la edad te podrías ir a las actas de bautismo y ahí encuentras información de los padres,saludos,Martha

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Hola todos, quisiera saber si alguien en el grupo esta haciendo genealogia de las familias Valdivia y Navarro de los Altos de Jalisco. Estoy un poco atorado y necesito saber si alguien puede ayudarme. La pareja que busco es Joseph Eleuterio Valdivia casado con Francisca Navarro. Tengo la fecha de su matrimonio y ya revise el documento, pero lamentablemente no mencionan a los padres de ninguno. No he podido encontrar al Inf Mat para ver si ahi los mencionan.

Seria posible que alguien me pueda dar una pista o informacion adicional? Se los agradeceria

Hi Rick,

I know I'm not alone in appreciating all the hard work that you've done to extend the Villasenor ancestry as much as you have. I really look forward to your book. Any news on when we can expect to see it in stores/Amazon and such?

Thank You!

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hi Jospuen

This is indeed a very interesting topic. You might want to try with an academic article which has a good bibliography - sometimes its helpful to see what researchers have as their primary sources, which seem to be what you are looking for.

This is a start: When half of the population died: the epidemic of hemorrhagic fevers of 1576 in Mexico
https://academic.oup.com/femsle/article/240/1/1/536409

You could also find out who cites this article via social science research index.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Questions and comments:
1. Does anyone have located the death record of Beatriz Delgado?
2. Also I don't understand how the "Rodas" last name fits into this line. Both daughters use that last name. Any ideas?
3. I think is important keep in mind that Beatriz Delgado was also known as Beatriz Gonzalez.
I'm very interested in knowing more about the marriage that Andrea mentioned (Martin Gonzalez and Beatriz Delgado. (see baptism 3 may 1637)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T49T-29?i=55&cc=180445…

Thank you so much

sus

Hi, I came across a family search record and it makes several mentions of two sisters, Catharina Ponce and Beatriz Ponce, and was wondering if there was any relation to the Catalina Ponce mentioned in this thread.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6594-SD?i=6&cc=1874591

Thanks
Ruben

I am in the same boat as you and Maven-- I descend from Manuel de Viera and Catalina Ponce. My dead ends are the same as yours. We just don't have the records that go back further, although there could be property or land and water records that include additional information. These records may not yet be digitized or indexed. However, for ancestors from this area at this time period, this is about where the trail ends.

Would you be willing to share Beatriz's MtDNA haplogroup when you find out? I'd be curious what hers is-- she not my direct maternal ancestor, but she is one of my ancestors.

Thanks!

Rosalinda

Hi Andrea,
I have both Francisca AND Catalina in my direct lines and have not been ble to go further than the two docs you listed above. I recently, combed through all of tlaltenango and rest of Zacatecas looking for a connection for Manuel Veira as the surname isn’t that common. In “Familias antiguas de Tlaltenango” p. 62 States Manuel was an unmarried Spaniard , resident of the guardianship of El Teul. Also, perhaps there is a connection with Agustina veira, or its actually Vera.
I have Beatriz Delgado, not Brígida. And I’ve seen Catalina as Catalina perla, Catalina de Rodas and Catalina ponce de Rodas.
Coincidently, the last marriage record u posted was Juan de Vera married to Juana Miramontes. The padrinos are Lorenzo Miramontes m. María Gonzales, who is ma. Gonzales Delgado. Their son is Juan Miramontes m. Brígida Ortiz, my 12th grandparents.
Maven

Take a look at this family tree. Check it out and see if it is the family you are looking for.

Juan Jesus Chavez is the son of Agustin Chavez and Maria De Jesus ? (Possibly Gonzalez)

Antonia Ortega is the daughter of Juan Ortega and Maria De Jesus Macias

Juan Ortega and Maria De Jesus Macias were married on 25 February 1835
In San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Juan Ortega is the son of Jose De la Trinidad Ortega and María de Carmen Garcia

Maria De Jesus Macias is the daughter of Antonio Macias and Barbara Benegas

Antonio Macias and Barbara Benegas we’re married on
7 April 1818
Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico

Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Hi,

Based on your information I would assumed that you are right. The first wife was the sister of the second wife.
Regarding the discrepancy between Antonia Gutierrez vs Antonia Ortega, to make sure I would search for her parents. I'm assuming that you are going to find Ortega/Gutierrez (either order)
I had a case like that once (i woman that kept changing last names late 1800's). I found out that she was an illegitimate child. That is just one reason. Another one (very common) is that is somehow a compound last name.
I hope this helps. Good luck!

sus

Claudia,

The old "Padrones Parroquiales" amounted to censuses conducted by the
Catholic Church among its members. The letters you are wondering about
indicate which Sacraments had been received by the "feligreses" at the time
the census was conducted, i.e. CC - Confesión y Comunión, C - Confirmación,
CV - Casamiento y Velación, etc. An explanation of these abbreviations is
usually included on the first page. I don't have any examples handy, but if
you want I can look it up for you.

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padrones/Census - what do letters signify? CC,
C,CV, P, CP, CD, etc.

> Hi All. I am wondering if any fellow member can help me with this.
> Looking at old Census (Padrones) of Juchipila and Moyahua, what do the
> following letters mean? They are placed after each ndividual's name. One
> or the other is placed, not all at once. It's my first time looking at
> these

Researching Huizar must be challenging because it has so many spelling variants. (Huizar, Uisar, Ysar, Hizar, Guizar, etc...)

Here is María Martina Huizar's baptism, in case you don't already have it. It lists her paternal and maternal grandparents.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK72-YSS9

The info I have on the Macias is from 1650 back to 1521
Gaspar Macias Valades was my 6th great grandfather married to Antonia De Anda Altamirano. He was born in Teocaltiche but his parents are from Aguascalientes. Gaspar Macias children and subsequent descendants all went with the surname De Anda

I have seen this a few times. I discovered the reason for one of these was that the couple had a few kids before marrying, and then a few after. Once they were married, many considered the children legitimate.

Rick A. Ricci

Found time today to add the indexed information onto WikiTree. Thank you very much!

Austin Perez

Hola Primo

Thank you again, you and Mary Lou are just the gifts that keep on giving. You've helped us all.

Thanks Primo.....

Manny,

I have 2 lines from sierra de pinos. Thank you so much!!

susana

thank you so much to both of you

Manny

Was this register microfilmed? If so, what is the film number.

George

Thank you so much for the work that has gone into this Manny, Sarod, and Mary Lou!

Alex

Found it. There is an obscured note in the margin of folio 57 (image 190) that states that the entry can be found on the backside of folio 85 (image 219).

Francisco

You can use the website worldcat to find libraries that have this set of books. There is an older edition (1981 edition?) that may be more widely available, but this is only one volume.

George Fulton

Hi Cindy
I have found it varies by period, the priest and other variables but it is mostly 1 month prior. Example: if person marries Jan 10, 1730, you would look for it Dec 10, 1729. I normally start with the first of Dec to be sure. However as in all things there are exceptions, IM's can be taken a week before. Records are usually mixed up. You can have a Traveling priest so they go pueblo to pueblo, the years go backwards or dates. If there are only three years say for example 1729 to 1731 and there are 700 pages there might be different years included or other situations. And though you may not find an IM for a couple it could be that either it was taken elsewhere where the groom or the bride lives or there exists a Dispensa.

Good Luck,
Simona

Cindy

Be sure to check out the Aguascalientes civil records at Ancestry.com. They have been indexed, and are linked to the images of the documents.

From Ancestry’s search menu, search the catalog for Aguascalientes (or any other state of interest) and from the resultant list you can select Aguascalientes birth, marriage or death records. You can select the one of interest and search specifically for Aguascalientes records. This gives you more relevant results than the general search.

This works for any state in Mexico, but I am not sure how complete they are.

You can search these records for free at any LDS Family History Center, and at many public libraries.

The civil records begin at the end of the 1850’s and from their it is an easy transition to the church records.

George Fulton

Jose Rafael Pesqueda is the son of Jose Rafael Esqueda and Maria Felipa Asencion Aguirre.

Jose Rafael Esqueda is son of Joseph Antonio Damacio Esqueda 1739 - 1790.
and Anna Maria Barthola Aguirre

Sebastian De Aguirre and María Francisca de Escamilla are the parents of Anna Maria Barthola Aguirre

marriage:29 November 1721Morelia,Celaya,Guanajuato,Mexico

Maria Felipa Ascencion Velasquez
baptized 04 MAY 1788
San Juan Bautista,Apatzeo El Grande,Guanajuato
Daughter of Jose Casimiro Velasquez and Maria Josepha Holguin (aka Olguina, aka Josefa O.)who were married marriage:22 June 1774San Juan Bautista,Apatzeo El Grande,Guanajuato,Mexico.

Rick A. Ricci

My Paternal 4th GG Dionisio Saldivar married Maria Carmen Esqueda (she was born abt 1782, and I can't find her parents...wondering if she's from the same lineage? Area of Nochistlan and Teocaltiche.

Link:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LB77-GF5

Joseph Antonio Damacio Esqueda 1738 - 1790.

Welcome Cindy. I have this family in my line (I didn't known it). Not sure if this is your family as this family is from Guanajuato in the late 1870's. If this is not your family, perhaps you can share some more information about the couples spouses. Once again welcome.

Rafael Pesqueda
1840–1947 • LB77-GF5​​
Marriage: 29 FEB 1860
San Francisco De Asis,Penjamo,Guanajuato,Mexico

Maria Ynes Rodriguez
1840–Deceased • MFXQ-QQX

sarod77

Thank you Ed!

Hi Manny,

Thanks so much for posting all this! I came across the Flores de la Torre información and made a few quick notes a few months ago, but hadn't had the time to go through it.

I took a look at the witness testimony of Hernando Viera and I think it says "tres". Compare it with "trata" just three lines down and "contra" on the last line of the first question. This "tr" combination is a bit interesting.

Saludos!

- Richard

.Fantastic finds!! I repeatedly descend from Lorenzo Alvarez and Agustina de Veira.

Thank you Manny for sharing all this information

Rick A. Ricci

Joseph,
I also have many Viramontes in my family tree and the short answer is "I don't know."! The earliest ancestor from around 1690 is Jose Christobal Miramontes. http://www.arturogonzalez.com/LaVillitaFamilies/languages/en/persons/Pe…

The Tierras y Aguas records use the "M" (and to several others with the same last name) and the Guadalajara also use the M the farther one looks. By the way, my V(M)iramontes seem to have ties to Tlaltenango. One of the Tierras y Aguas records mentions a path heading over the mountains from La Villita in Jalpa to Tlaltenango. Plus I think one of the sons of Jose Christobal was born in Tlaltenango in 1714.