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How does one sign up if one doesn't speak Spanish? Just walk me
through the words so I can sign up. In case you're wondering how I
can research in the Spanish language when I can't read it, I search
using my family names. When I get a hit, I make a copy and translate
it later. Simple, time consuming, and not very accurate. But it is
all I can do.

Linda

Sorry about that Deena.  I hate it when people throw acronyms at me 
and now you have caught me doing just that.

AER is Archivos Españoles en Red 

Anyone can sign up for an account and they are in the process of 
digitizing (scanning) all of their collection and for those documents 
that have already been digitized, you can simply pull them up and 
view them online through the AER website:

http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp

I think the Sombrerete Padron that Joseph mentions is the following.  
If so it is not yet digitized, but you can probably order a hard copy.

Archivo  Archivo General de Indias  
Código de referencia  ES.41091.AGI/16403.15.1564//INDIFERENTE,1526  
Título  Padrones generales de los habitantes de Indias  
Alcance y Contenido  Padrones generales de los habitantes de Indias.  
Nivel de Descripción  Fracción de Serie-Unidad de Instalación  
Fecha(s)  [f] 1777  
Signatura(s)  INDIFERENTE,1526  
Volumen    1  Legajo(s) 
 
Productor(es)   Información de Contexto   
Notas  Signatura antigua: INDIFERENTE,145-7-5  
Índice(s)  Padrones de habitantes 



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Deena Ortiz" <drortiz@...> wrote:
>
> I am very interested in knowing more about the "unfilmed" records 
of 
> Sombrerete.  You say the information should be available shortly 
via AER.  I 
> am not familiar with this term.
> 
> ~Deena Ortiz~
> 

I am very interested in knowing more about the "unfilmed" records of
Sombrerete. You say the information should be available shortly via AER. I
am not familiar with this term.

~Deena Ortiz~

Message: 9
  Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:54:37 -0000
  From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>

 As far as all of the other documents that you mention, those are all in
custody of the Spanish Ministry of Culture in Spain, thus Samuel
Sanchez's team that is presently in Zacatecas would not really be able
to film those very easily.  Those should become available digitally any
time now via AER.  If not, you can order copies of the documents or
films from them.  I have done so already and they are very efficient,

if expensive.

Joseph:

Though Colotlan is in the State of Jalisco for governmental purposes, 
its parrish is part of the Diocese of Zacatecas and geographically it 
is basically part of Zacatecas as there is no way in or out of the town 
without going through Zacatecas.

As far as all of the other documents that you mention, those are all in 
custody of the Spanish Ministry of Culture in Spain, thus Samuel 
Sanchez's team that is presently in Zacatecas would not really be able 
to film those very easily.  Those should become available digitally any 
time now via AER.  If not, you can order copies of the documents or 
films from them.  I have done so already and they are very efficient, 
if expensive.

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I have sent information to all interested parties who have responded
so far, although a few people have mentioned not receiving my replies.

If you have not received my emails concerning the location of the
meeting, please write me at rosalindamruiz@... .  Perhaps my
netcom account is not working.

Thanks,

Rosalinda

I have sent information to all interested parties who have responded 
so far, although a few people have mentioned not receiving my replies.

If you have not received my emails concerning the location of the 
meeting, please write me at rosalindamruiz@... .  Perhaps my 
netcom account is not working.

Thanks,

Rosalinda

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open
the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

 

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I just got off the phone with Mr. Sanchez and yes, they do have a 
filiming team down in Zacatecas now and are simply trying to get the 
exact information re: the location and condition of the records that 
they might film.

Let us cross our fingers and see if we can make this a reality.  It 
would be a big boon to our efforts.

If anybody else knows of records other than Colotlan and Jerez in the 
region of Zacatecas that are not filmed, please contact Mr. Sanchez and 
give him the details ASAP.

Here is the correspondence that I have been having with Mr. Sanchez 
re: the unfilmed records in Jerez and Colotlan:

Arturo,   Ojala que este senor Sanchez nos pueda ayudar con la 
filmacion de los registros en Jerez y Colotlan. Voy a estar en Utah 
en la biblioteca en Mayo, voy a volver a preguntar acerca del 
progreso de nuestra peticion. Me parece que te comente que le escribi 
al obispado solicitando permiso para ver los archivos en la 
Inmaculada. Desgraciadamente no recibi contestacion. Voy a hablar por 
telefono, haber que me dicen. "No hay peor lucha que la que no se 
hace".   Seguiremos en contacto   susana ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Arturo Ramos To: 'B. Samuel Sanchez G.' Cc: 
susyfarias@... Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:02 PM 
Subject: RE: Recomendacion 

Señor Sánchez:

 

Mi número es +1-202-460-4589 (móvil) o +1-202-429-1515 (oficina).  No 
sabe canto gusto me da recibir su mensaje, ya que acabo de ir a 
México a intentar ver algunos documentos sin éxito.  Por favor 
díganos como podríamos ayudar para que se filmen estos documentos ya 
que son invaluables? son de dos de los asentamientos más antiguos de 
la región y contienen información inedita.

 

En San Luis de Colotlán, Jalisco existen los restos de varios libros 
del tiempo del antiguo convento de los franciscanos que datan de 
mediados a fines de los 1600s.  Yo he visto estas hojas sueltas que 
están engargoladas pero no he podido leerlas ya que el cura no lo 
permite.  El cronista de Totatiche Estaban Valdés Salazar los ha 
leído y transcrito una parte menor de ellos.

 

En la Inmaculada de Jérez, Zacatecas existen varios libros que no 
fueron filmados.  Estos incluyen la gran parte de las confirmaciones 
e información matrimonial de los 1600s.  El Señor Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumén de quien le escribí anteriormente los ha visto estos 
libros y ha trascrito una gran parte.  Como la mayoría de los libros 
de bautismo se han perdido para esta época, las confirmaciones son 
invaluables.

 

Según el señor de la Torre:

 

"Tengo lo de Jerez, porque si existe archivo antiguo, hay bautismos 
desde 1648 a 1658 y de 1684-1700 y de 1743 hasta hoy. Matrimonios o 
màs bien informaciones de matrimonio desde 1664 hasta hoy. Partidas 
de matrimonio de 1697, y desde 1712 hasta hoy, y confirmaciones de 
1648 hasta hoy."

 

Según la señorita Susana Leniski, integrante de mi grupo genealógico:

 

"Recientemente hablé por teléfono con una persona encargada de los 

To Everyone who mentioned the unfilmed records in Zacatecas in our areas of
interest:

Now is the time for action. Please! Can anyone give me specifics? Book
numbers pages, loose pages, etc.

I sent an e-mail to Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia regarding what was
said. He is interested and would like specifics. When he asks he usually
does something about it. He is in a position to do. The email below is
what I had sent him. I guess no one contacted him from this group. Please
send me (or him if you prefer, mentioning this e-mail) of the documents or
books that need to be filmed, loose pages, where they are, who is in charge
at the locale, phone numbers or address if you have it, and contact person.
Please send me as much information as you have on hand about the unfilmed
documents or books.

I believe he was expecting me to send the information needed. I sent him
pat o the info as a heads up but not all the e-mails from the group
discussing the need to film some more documents.

Can you all do this ASAP? I would like to take advantage of this since
I believe Mr. Sanchez is in a position to help us and has expressed an
interest. He mentions the book found in Santiago, Nuevo Leon. I am assuming
that that his outfit is gettiing ready to microfil again. Let's take
advantage of that; who knows, we might find some more family!

The following is the e-mail I received from him today. Below it is my
original e-mail to him.

Elvira

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----- Original Message -----
From: B. Samuel Sanchez G.

To: elviraz
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re:

Estoy en espera de su informacion genealogica y de los libros que faltan por
microfilmar.

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

 

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Jonathan, I spent 3 days in Ciudad Guzman/Zapotlan El Grande but 
didn't know at the time that my ancestors had lived there so didn't 
look at it through those eyes.  There are 2 church's in the square.  
A very large one and to the side a small one. If your searching for 
specific records double check which of the two church's have them.  
The people were very friendly and there are a great variety of 
hotels and motels with a very old one right in the plaza area. It's 
a hub for everything in that part of Jalisco. My destination was 
Tamazula and Zapotiltic but the accomodations there were terrible so 
we returned each night to our motel in Ciudad Gusman, I believe the 
rooms ran about $40. American for a room for 3 people and were very 
nice. Lot's of good place's to eat and even a natural yogurt and 
health food store that was wonderul.
Good luck on your trip, Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr" <walkerjona@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all, for your suggestions.  Where several of you asked in
> what area I will be.  I most likely will be in Sonora, Sinaloa, and
> possibly in Cd. Guzman and Sayula in Jalisco.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@ wrote:
> >
> > Jonathan:
> > 
> > I wrote directly to you.  But I failed to mention about the 
cemetery
> records. 
> >  Some have offices at the entrance.  Also be careful in the
> cemetery.  You 
> > can get assaulted.  Be careful!
> > 
> > Are you going to Sonora?  I was trying to remember where your 
wife's
> people 
> > were from...cannot remember.
> > 
> > Also received your cd's and the pic....now you see why I do not 
like
> to take 
> > pictures!!!   Thank you very much for the CD's.
> > 
> > Mickey
> >
>

Thank you all, for your suggestions.  Where several of you asked in
what area I will be.  I most likely will be in Sonora, Sinaloa, and
possibly in Cd. Guzman and Sayula in Jalisco.

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@... wrote:
>
> Jonathan:
> 
> I wrote directly to you.  But I failed to mention about the cemetery
records. 
>  Some have offices at the entrance.  Also be careful in the
cemetery.  You 
> can get assaulted.  Be careful!
> 
> Are you going to Sonora?  I was trying to remember where your wife's
people 
> were from...cannot remember.
> 
> Also received your cd's and the pic....now you see why I do not like
to take 
> pictures!!!   Thank you very much for the CD's.
> 
> Mickey
>

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okay we're at 102 members and only 64 of you are signed up in the Who's
Who database. if you get a chance please go there and sign up your
information.

thanks,

joseph

Jonathan:



I wrote directly to you.  But I failed to mention about the cemetery records.  Some have offices at the entrance.  Also be careful in the cemetery.  You can get assaulted.  Be careful!



Are you going to Sonora?  I was trying to remember where your wife's people were from...cannot remember.



Also received your cd's and the pic....now you see why I do not like to take pictures!!!   Thank you very much for the CD's.



Mickey

Hello all,

Have any of you ever done research in the actual Parish in Mexico?

I am asking, because in about 3 weeks, I will be going to Mexico. And
if possible I will try find some information at the parish and
cemetary level.

So could anyone give me some pointers, on what to expect? Or the best
way to approach the subject?

Thanks,
Jonathan