NARA Immigration Records

The following NARA site has extensive information on their Immigration 
Records for Mexican Border Crossings. There is a lot of information - 
and I recommend that you read it carefully, despite its length - it is 
comprehensive. I don't think there is an index. Please NOTE - the 
filming of these records has not been completed, and may take about 
another 8-12 months to complete.

The NARA site is:
     http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html

ncc in VA





Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's
been almost two years since I've been there viewing
the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't
have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.
 I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll
keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I
hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or
more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls
just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time
frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso
films and how they are indexed.  

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. 
> The 1930 Census 
> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913
> and my grandfather 
> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records
> to come to KC's 
> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)
> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:
> 
> > Joseph, this is a good topic.
> >
> >  Since I have my grandfather's application
> "Registry of
> >  an Alien", and he has provided me with good
> dates, at
> >  least I hope these are good dates.
> >
> >  This is what he wrote down on his application:
> >
> >  He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908
> >  Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.
> >  He states he was coming to remain permanently
> >  He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro
> and two
> >  friends
> >  He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas,
> TX
> >  I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my
> >  grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20,
> 1907 -
> >  Port of Entry - El Paso.
> >
> >  Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have
> El
> >  Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass,
> TX.
> >  They don't have an index for Eagle Pass and
> hopefully
> >  will purchase this because when you go through
> the
> >  microfilm it's in date order everyone that came
> in
> >  that day and year, it's not in alpha order and
> unless
> >  you know the date it's looking for a needle in a
> >  haystack. 
> >
> >  My question would be:  Since I have the above
> >  information from INS records, do I still need to
> >  retrieve actual documents from the El Paso
> microfilm,

New Member/A personal perspective

Thanks for the suggestion. I am sitting
here trying to get started and I guess the best thing would be just to start
ordering the films. My husband says I am crazy and there is now way I will find
anything- I know I can if I can just have a little patience.
- Jessica

 


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Question about Immigration records--Laredo, TX

I know that NARA has the following record available,
but I was unable to determine if I can order it
through my local family history center. It doesn't
appear that I can.

"A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 

at:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379

I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
not even sure has information on my
great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help?

Chris Pineda

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Immigration records

My gr-grandparents and grandparents and relatives came through 
Laredo Texas in March 1916. They went from Jerez Zacatecas to 
Aguacalientes to catch the train but the trains had been knocked out 
so they walked and road on to Monterrey.In the recording of my 
grandfathers sister she says her father held all the money for the 
group and she, her husband and baby got separated. At the border 
they charged $5.00 to delouse the group before they could cross so 
after her parents and the rest of the family got through, Paula her 
husband Donaciano and baby had no money pay for delousing so they 
walked up the road and crossed the river, they found the rest of 
their family waiting on Texas side of the boarder. Once in Texas 
they worked as sheepherders and farm laborers, they learned 
armadillo taste like chicken. They were in Texas throu 1917 saving 
money to move on. Paula said sometimes people would be nice to them 
letting them camp on their land and have water, other times they 
were "run off like dogs." During that time in Dilly Texas a Tornado 
hit catching my grpgrandmother Gertrudis Caldera in her tent.  They 
called it the day they saw her fly.  When the tent slammed back to 
earth she miscarried her baby but survived.  They moved on to New 
Mexico where they were miners for a while in Tyrone Co.where many 
people from Jerez were, Paula's father in Law, Cirilo de la Cueva, 
got a fever and died in Tyrone after 30 days so his wife and 
children chose to go back to Jerez. My grandfather got a job with 
the railroad and he and his wife and baby were sent to Idaho, they 
lived in a boxcar where their 16 month old son died. They said many 
people from Jerez went to work for the railroad. My gr-grandfather 
had been a merchant in Mexico so all this labor was very hard for 
him and he longed to settle down.  A friend, Ygnacio Mora, from 
Mexico who was in the Fresno area of California told them about 
opportunities to own land there. It was against the law to sell land 
to Mexicans they were told but a certain farmer would help Mexican 
families buy land through him.  My family went there but my 
grandfather moved to Stockton Ca. in 1920, a friend told him about 
jobs opening with the water co.. my grandfather worked for the water 
co for 54 years until he retired, the rest of the family stayed in 
Cutler, Orosi and Dinuba farming.  Gr-grandfather Vicente ran a 
corner store, poolhall/social hall and handball court until his 

Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Joseph, this is a good topic.

Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of
an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at
least I hope these are good dates.

This is what he wrote down on his application:

He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908
Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.
He states he was coming to remain permanently
He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two
friends
He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX
I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my
grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -
Port of Entry - El Paso.

Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El
Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX. 
They don't have an index for Eagle Pass and hopefully
will purchase this because when you go through the
microfilm it's in date order everyone that came in
that day and year, it's not in alpha order and unless
you know the date it's looking for a needle in a
haystack.  

My question would be:  Since I have the above
information from INS records, do I still need to
retrieve actual documents from the El Paso microfilm,
how much more detail do those records give?

Does El Paso records have an index???  If so can we
get this through library loan or through our local LDS
center on loan?

My grandfather had to return to Mexico in 1911 (death
of his father) this time he came through Eagle Pass,
he states he came across the bridge paid a nickel and
signed his name in a book, I'm always curious about
this story because if they returned after a short
visit, they didn't have to go through as much red tape
to come back???

Well those would my questions.


--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm in contact with a fellow podcaster who has a
> podcast on "Ports of 
> Entry." (http://homepage.mac.com/ms5/POE/) Basically
> a lot of info on 
> immigration records. Great for us to learn more on
> this subject.
> 
> I know it has nothing to do with our specific area
> but if you have 
> questions that I might be able to incorporate into
> an interview I'd 
> appreciate your help.
> 
> What do you want to know on this subject?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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double surnames and Cultural Identity

Jofes, I never knew you were BORN in Mexico. Where were you born? Memarge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question

when asked what I am:



"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"



Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA



I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better

not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was

here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the

United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how

would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from

them.



And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when

I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I

almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day

this black woman saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said, "Come on

Joe white people don't eat churches." Well they never called me white

again and I even heard that woman (in my presence) telling another

co-worker that I wasn't white.



but 95% of the time i simply say, "I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA"



joseph







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Pronunciation of Guadalajara

The word Guadalajara is from the Arabic  Wad-al-hidjara, meaning "River Running Between 
Rocks"


Here is a good tongue twister about the town in Michoacan with the long name:

El otorrinolaringologo de Parangaricutirimicuaro se quiere 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar porque si no se 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizara lo van a 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar.

"The eye-ear-nose-throat doctor in Parangaricutirimicuaro wishes to stop practicing in 
Parangaricutirimicuaro because if he doesn't stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro they 
will make him stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca" <sgapodaca@y...> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
> read (in Spanish).
> 
> However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
> Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
> incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15 years and I 
> heard "Guanatos" a lot.
> 
> I use it every now and then. I don't know the origin of it, but I 
> suppose people say it just to abbreviate because "Guadalajara" is a 
> long word.
> 
> Saludos.
> 
> Steve
> 
> PS. By the way, talking about long words, last september, on my 
> honeymoon in Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San 
> Juan Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> > 
> > I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> > 
> > joseph
> >
>






Help with Questions/Immigration Records



I'm in contact with a fellow podcaster who has a podcast on "Ports of
Entry." (http://homepage.mac.com/ms5/POE/) Basically a lot of info on
immigration records. Great for us to learn more on this subject.


I know it has nothing to do with our specific area but if you have
questions that I might be able to incorporate into an interview I'd
appreciate your help.


What do you want to know on this subject?

thanks,

joseph







double surnames and Cultural Identity




depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question 
when asked what I am:

"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"

Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA

I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better 
not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was 
here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the 
United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how 
would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from 
them.

And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when 
I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I 
almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day 
this black woman  saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said, "Come on 
Joe white people don't eat churches." Well they never called me white 
again and I even heard that woman (in my presence) telling another 
co-worker that I wasn't white.

but 95% of the time i simply say, "I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA"

joseph


--

Pronunciation of Guadalajara

Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
read (in Spanish).

However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15 years and I 
heard "Guanatos" a lot.

I use it every now and then. I don't know the origin of it, but I 
suppose people say it just to abbreviate because "Guadalajara" is a 
long word.

Saludos.

Steve

PS. By the way, talking about long words, last september, on my 
honeymoon in Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San 
Juan Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>





Pronunciation of Guadalajara

Hello Joseph,

If you mean Spanish pronunciation, there is just one correct way to
pronounce the word Guadalajara.

(gwädä-lä-härä)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guadalajara

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>





Cultural Identity

Hola alguien tendra información sobre
la familia sanchez no se como buscar información mi ultimo registro esta
en este archivo del paf si alguien puede ayudarme se los agradeceria

 

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de 2006 06:02 p.m.

Para: ranchos@...m

Asunto: Re: [ranchos] Cultural
Identity

 

Emilie:

Cultural Identity

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Emilie:

It was the "pisca" - you go where the next harvesting is needed - at least
that is what my grandparents did - they also traveled throughout the US - all
the way to Washington state before ending up in the middle of Michigan.  My
aunts/uncles/mom never shared their hardship,except for bits and pieces - the
stinging hands from picking peppers, the potato sacks converted to
dresses/shirts, etc....

    My fondest memory was from my oldest uncle Alfred -
he always wanted to have his own piece of land to harvest and grow crops, and he
was able to meet his goal in Carson City, Michigan - they were the only Mexican
family there as well.

    Except for two of their siblings, the rest of the
10 siblings settled in Detroit - also not very populated with Mexicans - but at
least they did have a torillera.  Their preparation of food had to be
accommodated to existing and available ingredients - so for example, they made
enchiladas out of chile powder and flour - not bad tasting, but not the same as
made with chile ancho.

 

Esperanza

Cultural Identity

Emilie:

My grandfather actually came through El Paso in 1908
and lived in Canadian, Texas, worked for the Panhandle
Railroad.  I have the census for Canadian, TX and at
that time there were about 50 to 60 Mexican families
just starting out in this small railroad town, they
moved north up through New Mexico and then into KS,
they also worked the beet fields in Nebraska during
the summer months, but always came back home to Kansas
City.  However, my grandfather had brothers after
leaving Canadian, TX that also went West to CA., to
live.  It's interesting to always find out but usually
when they came across it was with their neighbors they
had in Mexico that later became their neighbors in
Canadian, TX and so on, they kept their neighbors
close to them.  

I would say their migration was about survival and
their jobs, wherever their jobs took them, they had to
pack up and follow and for my grandfather it was the
railroad.  Emilie, try research immigration papers for
your family if you haven't already tried this; I got
my grandfather's information and it gave me his
whereabouts from the time he was in El Paso 1908 until
he died in 1968.  This will give you more insight of
their migration pattern and why they moved around.  It
answered many questions for me.  


--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Carol,
> 
> My story could have been very much like yours.  You
> see, I was born in Brush, Colorado, in Morgan
> County, way up in the northeast corner by Kansas. 
> When WWII started, my father got a job working in
> the shipyards in Richmond CA and sent my mother, my
> sister and I to my mother's relatives in southern NM
> near El Paso TX, then after the war he sent for us
> and we settled in what is now known as Silicon
> Valley.   My father was brought to Colorado from
> Jerez in 1916 at the age of 13 by his father who I
> believe arrived earlier.  In the census records, I
> find no other Spanish surnames.  When my husband was
> helping me search census records before they were
> all online, he kept telling me, "No hay ni un frijol
> aqui! [I don't see a single beaner here!] Why did
> your folks end up there?".  I often wonder why they
> ended up way up there; maybe you can tell me why
> some Mexicans ended up so far north then (we are all
> over now).  
> 
> My father surprised me one day when he told me he
> had been to Wyoming as a young man.  We had been

Sauz de los Marquez: census data

Susana I feel confident that our Muro lines will end
up as being connected...since my line has ended in
Villanueva where I've hit my brick wall...I have a
feeling we will end up in Jerez very soon just have to
find where they will connect somewhere near La Troje,
I know we found Muro's in La Encarncion so we are very
close.



--- Susana Leniski <susyfarias@...> wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> I din't get the attachments in this mail. I saw in
> the map the places that you mention. Definitly they
> are very close, and the names match. My line Del
> Muro ended in La Troje (very close to La
> Encarnacion).
> I don't know if you've seen the page from Salvador
> Cabral. It has some of my information that I sent
> him, but I belive that he made a mistake on the
> oldest records. Unfortunaly he doesn't include
> sources.
> 
>
http://usuarios.lycos.es/jerezacatecas/archivo/indexm/muro2/pafg01.htm
> 
> susana
> 


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Sauz de los Marquez: census data

Joseph,

 

I din't get the attachments in this mail. I saw in
the map the places that you mention. Definitly they are very close,
and the names match. My line Del Muro ended in La Troje (very close to La
Encarnacion).

I don't know if you've seen the page from Salvador
Cabral. It has some of my information that I sent him, but I belive that he made
a mistake on the oldest records. Unfortunaly he doesn't include
sources.

 


 

susana

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Cultural Identity

My story - I always wondered why do I live in Kansas? 
Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's wasn't easy
at times.  My paternal grandparents were here by 1916
and my maternal in the early 1920's in the state of
KS.  In doing my research and going back in time, I
found many stories that touched my heart of what my
grandparents had sacrificed, suffered and what their
lives were like when they first got here...it wasn't
easy.  My parents were told they couldn't speak
Spanish in school and that we need to try to "fit in"
with the others.  I went from Mexican to being a
Chicana to being Mexican American or Hispanic is what
they call us now.  We lived on the Westside Community
until I was 4 and then moved to Rosedale in KS which
at that time was predominately Anglo.  They sent me to
St. Agnes and I grew up in this community and
basically still in this community.  Things change over
the years, St. Agnes is now 35% Hispanic and the
numbers are going up.  We have more Hispanic
celebrations now in in the City because of the growth
of the Hispanic population.  

Being married to an Anglo, I felt the need in my 30's
and 40's to embrace my culture which lead me to
research our family history, volunteer my time at the
Hispanic Heritage booth at the Fiestas, support our
Hispanic veterans here in KC among many other meetings
or groups I have some involvement in.  However I would
have to say doing our research has brought me to
embracing our culture because we our embracing our
ancestors and their stories.  Well I guess I need to
journal more so someone can read these stories of how
I feel...I doubt my kids will save my emails. - Carol
Muro Turner
--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Alicia,
> 
> Your story of growing up in a multi-ethnic community
> sounds so much like mine.  My husband and I were
> brought to San Jose as small children in 1947, me
> from New Mexico and my husband from El Paso, TX, and
> we grew up in an Italian neighborhood (the old Goose
> Town area -that flooded often---near Sacred Heart
> church--between Willow Street and Alma Street), went
> to school with Japanese and Filipinos; I later
> worked with new Cuban and Vietnamese immigrants when
> our country opened up to refugees from those
> countries.  I still feel close to Italian and
> Japanese culture, and remember fondly all their
> customs and festivals there in the Valley. Perhaps