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There also appears to be films for the civil registry for that year.

Registros civiles del municipio de Ciudad Garcia 1861-1920  
Authors  Ciudad Garcia (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author) 

Nacimientos 1903-1904  FHL INTL Film 1081921  

Registros parroquiales, 1648-1961 
Authors Iglesia Catolica. Inmaculada (Jerez, Zacatecas)

Bautismos 1899-1903  FHL INTL Film 439867  
Bautismos 1903-1907  FHL INTL Film 439868  




--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
>
> John:
> I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to
> the early 1900s.  I requested these records
> (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD
> library.  So they do exist.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Emilie:
> > 
> > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas.  I
> > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas
> > de Jerez" in 1903.  She found out that there were no
> > records for that period when she tried to establish
> > her legal status in the U.S.  (legal resident) .   I
> > believe she had an affidavit from Jerez,  stating
> > that there were no records of her birth in 1903
> > because they had been destroyed by fire.
> > 
> > She died in Lodi, California,  about 25 years ago. 
> > I have tried to find some of her personal papers,
> > like birth certificate, marriage certificate,
> > passport, Green Card, without success.  I asked my
> > brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what
> > happened to all of her papers. 
> > 
> > Her parents were:  Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia
> > Gonzalez.  I remember hearing my grandfather talking
> > about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he
> > said about it.  The name stuck to the back of my
> > mind.
> > 
> > I am almost ready to start  researching her side of
> > the family.  I am anticipating lots of road blocks
> > and dead ends. 
> > 1gnzlz@v...
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Emilie Garcia 
> >   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:35 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!
> > 
> > 
> >   John,
> > 
> >   So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 

John, approximately 12 years ago I met a gentleman
from the Somos Primos genealogical group at the
Westwood Latter Day Saints library.  I don't remember
his name but he was a distant relative of my wife
Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez; although she did not
remember him.  He told me he also was from the same
Gonzales-Casillas family branch from Los Altos, like
my wife.  

He helped me to interpret a 1797 Jerez marriage
document written in Spanish.  Anyway, this gentleman
had genealogical charts of over 2200 past relatives
that started in Los Altos and went all the way back to
to the year 1200 in Spain. 

If you are able contact him, I'm sure he would be more
that happy to share his findings with you.  Also, the
gentlemen looked like an Anglo (typical of many of
those from Los Altos, fair, tall, blue eyes); his
English and Spanish were excellent and he seemed very
well educated, and friendly.  He told me that he lived
in San Fernando Valley and was a software programmer. 

If you contact the Somos Primos group, I bet they'll
help you get in contact with him.

Good luck.

  
--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> Hi Alberto:
> 
> Thank you for the  "heads up " on a  very
> interesting article.  It has quite a few names that
> I am presently researching.  It is going to take a
> few days to sort everything out to make "heads or
> tails" .  Just a quick preliminary  perusing reveals
> a  lot of information that I can use.
>  Today has been one of those days that makes you
> feel almost numb  from joy and good fortune. 
> Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. 
> He sent me some information that will take me  all
> the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in
> Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!!   Three
> generations in Spain, 10 generations in Jalos, and 3
> in California!  That puts me in the 16th generation
> of Gonzalez"s. 
>  I had gotten stuck with Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo
> and his wife from Mexico City .They settled in 
> Jalostotitlan in the late 1500's.
> Ken's information picks him up from there and takes
> him three generations back into Spain!!!  Talk about
> getting lucky.
> I have already pinpointed  Hermosilla, Burgos on a
> map of Spain. It is very tiny village in the
> Northern part of the country.
> 
> I just don't have enough words to express my deep
> appreciation  and thanks  to all the members of
> Ranchos...Thank you.

John:
I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to
the early 1900s.  I requested these records
(microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD
library.  So they do exist.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> Hi Emilie:
> 
> It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas.  I
> remember her talking about being born in "Minillas
> de Jerez" in 1903.  She found out that there were no
> records for that period when she tried to establish
> her legal status in the U.S.  (legal resident) .   I
> believe she had an affidavit from Jerez,  stating
> that there were no records of her birth in 1903
> because they had been destroyed by fire.
> 
> She died in Lodi, California,  about 25 years ago. 
> I have tried to find some of her personal papers,
> like birth certificate, marriage certificate,
> passport, Green Card, without success.  I asked my
> brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what
> happened to all of her papers. 
> 
> Her parents were:  Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia
> Gonzalez.  I remember hearing my grandfather talking
> about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he
> said about it.  The name stuck to the back of my
> mind.
> 
> I am almost ready to start  researching her side of
> the family.  I am anticipating lots of road blocks
> and dead ends. 
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garcia 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:35 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
>   John,
> 
>   So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 



		
__________________________________________ 
Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. 
Just $16.99/mo. or less. 
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Linda,

What is it that you want to know about the chocolateria?  I have 
family in Guadalajara that I could ask.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Linda R Romero <romero89@e...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have  
> information on this chocolateria?
> 
> La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De
> Cafe.  It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara.  
Aurelio
> Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead.  It was established 
in  
> 1900.  My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by  
> members of the de la Torre family.
> 
> Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and  
> Tepatitlan de Morelos.  His sister, Sophia de la Torre married  
> Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara.  They lived in 
Tepatitlan  
> de Morelos ca. 1890-1910.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Linda Romero
>

Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have
information on this chocolateria?

La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De
Cafe.  It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara.  Aurelio

Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead. It was established in
1900. My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by
members of the de la Torre family.

Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and
Tepatitlan de Morelos. His sister, Sophia de la Torre married
Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara. They lived in Tepatitlan
de Morelos ca. 1890-1910.

Thank you.

Linda Romero

Thank you for the information. I clearly see hte eagle now.

Jose Munoz

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, leticia leon <caleta58@y...> wrote:
>
> it looks fine, but the eagle is bending the head; in the photo the 
head is up, could be a police; the photo most probably was taken in 
Jesus Maria or Arandas, Jal. between 1920 and 1930. I think he is my 
great-grandfather half brother. All of these photos were given to my 
father when my gg father past the way by, the last and third wife. 
thank you, Leticia Leon
> 
> jose munoz <jmunoz2781@y...> escribió:  Leticia Leon and John 
Gonzales
> 
> Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
> site:
> http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm  
> Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
> Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
> opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? 
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- leticia leon <caleta58@y...> wrote:
> 
> > sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> > the meaning of the ..." thanks.  Leticia Leon
> > Morales
> > 
> > John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@v...> escribió:        
> >  The last line of your message is confusing... 
> >    
> >   I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
> > nothing to do with rank.  In the  U.S. Armed Forces,
> > the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates 
> > "enlisted" or "officer"  the enlisted has a circle
> > around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger
> > eagle without the circle.
> >    
> >   I am no expert, but the CP could designate the
> > unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on
> > digging, Iam sure somebody will come up with an
> > answer.
> >   Good luck.
> >   1gnzlz@v...
> >     ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: leticia leon 
> >   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:54 PM
> >   Subject: [ranchos] militar insignia regarding my
> > photos
> >   
> > 
> > ok, in the original picture (I should do this in the
> > first place)the 
> > militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on
> > the shoulders; the 
> > other, with an eagle badge has two capital letters
> > on the collar C and 

Leticia Leon and John Gonzales

Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
site:
http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm  
Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? 

Jose Munoz

--- leticia leon <caleta58@...> wrote:

> sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> the meaning of the ..." thanks.  Leticia Leon
> Morales
> 
> John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> escribió:        
>  The last line of your message is confusing... 
>    
>   I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
> nothing to do with rank.  In the  U.S. Armed Forces,
> the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates 
> "enlisted" or "officer"  the enlisted has a circle
> around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger
> eagle without the circle.
>    
>   I am no expert, but the CP could designate the
> unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on
> digging, Iam sure somebody will come up with an
> answer.
>   Good luck.
>   1gnzlz@...
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: leticia leon 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:54 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] militar insignia regarding my
> photos
>   
> 
> ok, in the original picture (I should do this in the
> first place)the 
> militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on
> the shoulders; the 
> other, with an eagle badge has two capital letters
> on the collar C and 
> P. In the site www.en.wikipedia.org I found for the
> mexican army that 
> three bars mean Capitan Segundo (Senior Captain)and
> three bars with 
> the one in the middle been shorter means Capitan
> Primero (Captain) so 
> I have know why the eagle on the chest and CP on the
> collar. 
> 
> 
> 
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Thanks Alberto; No apology is necessary. I appreciate
the hard work, information, and time you openly share.
 

Jose Munoz

--- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:

> Jose:
> Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the
> name
> below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not
> Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this
> evening
> in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione
> Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C.  I was
> told
> last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez,
> Zacatecas.
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
> 
> > Alberto
> > Thanks for the information. So many common
> > locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask
> the
> > Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
> > Castallanos Sanchez? 
> > 
> > Although I see the money signs with the Munoz
> Family
> > in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
> > improve the color of green on the tree. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply
> > 
> > Jose Munoz 
> > 
> > --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Jose:
> > > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles
> purchased
> > > (Lo
> > > de Luna, which included a number of other
> ranches
> > in
> > > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> > > wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> > > time. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Alberto
> > > 
> > > --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families
> > did
> > > > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > > > uncles
> > > > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased
> outside
> > > of
> > > > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> > > family
> > > > ties? 
> > > > 
> > > > Written on some of the church documents that I
> > > > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> > > > Pueblo
> > > > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara
> > mention.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos
> Sanchez
> > > was

Jose:
Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the name
below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not
Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this evening
in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione
Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C.  I was told
last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez,
Zacatecas.

Alberto

--- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:

> Alberto
> Thanks for the information. So many common
> locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask the
> Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
> Castallanos Sanchez? 
> 
> Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family
> in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
> improve the color of green on the tree. 
> 
> Thanks for the reply
> 
> Jose Munoz 
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> 
> > Jose:
> > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> > (Lo
> > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches
> in
> > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> > wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> > time. 
> > 
> > 
> > Alberto
> > 
> > --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families
> did
> > > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > > uncles
> > > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> > of
> > > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> > family
> > > ties? 
> > > 
> > > Written on some of the church documents that I
> > > researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> > > Pueblo
> > > de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara
> mention.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez
> > was
> > > one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> > > according
> > > to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> > > money
> > > now.
> > > 
> > > Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the
> > following??
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH

John, check out the below website.  It has some of the
same names you've mentioned in some of your emails. 
The website was sit up by my wife's (Rebeca Gutierrez
Gonzalez) relatives from Los Altos, Jalisco.  I hope
it helps you find some more names and relatives.  Who
knows? we may be related.

Good luck.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/articulos.htm

--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> Hello Jose:
> 
> Thank you for your kind words, we all need a few
> words of encouragement every now and then and I
> appreciate your words.  Thank you again.
> As far as : "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" is concerned, I
> found a book titled :  "Jalostotitlan a Traves de
> Los Siglos"  The book mentions Juan Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo as being one of the first settlers in
> Jalostotitlan, along with his wife Ana.  I traced my
> line all the way back to him and that's where I find
> myself at the moment.  There were 10 generations of
> "Gonzalez de Hermosillo"   in Jalos.
>  I am waiting for a couple of films from the LDS to
> see if I can go a little further back.  Thank you
> for offering me assistance with the Gonzalez name. 
> My maternal grandmother's  last name was Gonzalez,
> and she was from Jerez Zacatecas. There could be a
> connection there between Gonzalez from Zacatecas and
> Durango.  I have not started doing research  on my
> mother's side because I want to see how far I can go
> on my father's side of the family.  I am
> anticipating some problems with her because some of
> the records,  for the date when she was born (1903)
> , were destroyed.
> I will make sure that I stay in touch with you as
> soon as I get started in Zacatecas.
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: José Román González López 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:57 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
>   Hello John:
> 
>   Congratulation!
> 
>   Your experience about researching your ancestral
> line of "González de Hermosillo" has knick me in a
> hard way, is very impacting to any that has spent
> much time in our research, many times we seek where
> there are noting of information, in Spanish we say:
> "damos palos de ciego".
> 
>   You say:
> 
>   "I feel that being able to go back  about 455 

Joseph,

Can we discuss Comida? I have an idea I want to run by you. May I call you this week? Marge:)

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