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My grandparents were cousins in six different ways.  All at the 6th 
and 7th degree level, but six nevertheless.

I read somewhere that one of the impetuses to intermarriage was to 
keep landholdings contiguous and/or large enough to be useful, as 
inheritence traditions dictated land being distributed among the 
children (including women) and thus the plots would get smaller and 
smaller and more and more dispersed unless you married a cousin 
(knowlingly or unknowingly) who had inherited the land next to yours.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero" 
<igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
>
> They probably knew it.  This is/was very common in our area--keep 
the
> lines pure and all.
> irma
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf
> Of Alicia Carrillo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:46 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] New Discovery Today!
> 
> 
> Sorry guys, had to share this story, it's too much for me to hold 
in.
>  
> I just made a new discovery today regarding my husband's direct line
> ancestry. I have known for about 6 months who his GG maternal
> Grandparents were, Hilario de Jauregui and Maria Concepion Olasaba 
who
> married 12 May 1824 in Nochistlan Zac, but today I discovered that
> Hilario and Ma Concepcion are also his GG paternalGrandparents. 
>  
> Hilario de Jauregui and Ma Concepcion Olasaba had 7 children that I 
know
> of so far.  Antonio Carrillo's grandfather was Francisco de 
Jauregui and
> Ma Guadalupe's Grandmother was Juana de Jauregui. Francisco and 
Juana
> were brother and sister, therefore that makes Hilario de Jauregui 
and
> Maria Concepcion Olasaba my father in-law and my mother in-law's 
Great
> Grandparents . Does this mean my husband's parents Antonio Carrillo
> Jauregui and Ma Guadalupe Olmos Avelar were third cousins? and does 
this
> also mean that my husband is his own fourth cousin? 
>  
> I can hear the sounds of the drums as the clan dances around the 
camp
> fire to celebrate that they have been found out.
>  
> Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> 
> 
> SPONSORED LINKS 
> Aguascalientes
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?

Just posting some info I have found--

"Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748. Exp. 24 - Informacion
Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas. En el Real de San
Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la informacion de Don
Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del puerto de Marin en
Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez y ocho anyos, hijo
legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria Gonzalez de
Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa. de mas de 50 anyos
de edad, originaria y vecina de la Villa de Xeres, viuda de Don
Francisco del Muro, tiempo ha de quatro anyos, hija legitima de Don
Joseph Sanchez Castellanos y de Dony Juana de Luna."

Well, this Joseph Sanchez Castellanos is the nephew of my ancestor
Francisco de Chavez Banuelos. Wow! How great to find peripheral
relatives!!! I love it when I find branches of my ancestors' families!
MargeV:)

A beautiful family.
 
Priceless photos.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> los fotos se miran bien pero el Link lo cambie a:
> 
>
http://mx.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/caleta58/album?.dir=/9503&.src=ph&.tok=ph9jVBEB38JJvivF
> 
> ojala que los otros en el grupo conocen un poco de
> sus preguntas porque 
> yo no tengo informacion.
> 
> se miran bien,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> leticia leon wrote:
> 
> >HOLA TODOS, LOS INVITO A ECHAR UN OJO A MIS FOTOS
> EN LINKS PHOTOS-
> >MEMBERS SECCION, ME INTERESA QUE LAS OBSERVEN,
> QUIZA USTEDES TENGAN 
> >ALGUNAS CON EL MISMO ESCENARIO; POR FAVOR SI
> ALGUIEN SABE QUE RANGO 
> >INDICAN LAS INSIGNIAS EN EL UNIFORME DEL SEGUNDO
> MILITAR, EN EL CUELLO 
> >SON LAS LETRAS CP ¿SERA "CAPITAN PRIMERO"?, EL
> PRIMERO, MI TIO-
> >BISABUELO, TIENE UNA ESPADA, ¿A QUE RANGO SE LE
> DABA ESE TIPO DE 
> >ESPADA? SE QUE EL LLEGO A TENIENTE CORONEL EN EL
> EJERCITO DEL 
> >MAXIMIANO CALLES DURANTE LA GUERRA CRISTERA. EL
> SEGUNDO MILITAR, DEL 
> >CUAL NO CONOZCO EL NOMBRE, TIENE EL MISMO TIPO DE
> UNIFORME, DEL 
> >EJERCITO DE CALLES. CUALQUIER INFORMACION LA
> APRECIO MUCHO. HASTA 
> >LUEGO, LETICIA LEON
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> 



		
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Hello friends,
Just a note to say congratulations on all of your great work.
We have been w/o our DSL connection for a month, and so I haven't been 
able to keep up with all of your contributions. I get to read a little 
bit when I go to the library - but I can only get internet access for 
30 minutes per library visit - not near enough time to read everything. 
I am up to Nov. 10. I sure hope they are able to fix our connection 
soon as I dearly miss reading of all the research.
Y'all take care - belated Happy Thanksgiving.
Natalie

HOLA TODOS, LOS INVITO A ECHAR UN OJO A MIS FOTOS EN LINKS PHOTOS-
MEMBERS SECCION, ME INTERESA QUE LAS OBSERVEN, QUIZA USTEDES TENGAN 
ALGUNAS CON EL MISMO ESCENARIO; POR FAVOR SI ALGUIEN SABE QUE RANGO 
INDICAN LAS INSIGNIAS EN EL UNIFORME DEL SEGUNDO MILITAR, EN EL CUELLO 
SON LAS LETRAS CP ¿SERA "CAPITAN PRIMERO"?, EL PRIMERO, MI TIO-
BISABUELO, TIENE UNA ESPADA, ¿A QUE RANGO SE LE DABA ESE TIPO DE 
ESPADA? SE QUE EL LLEGO A TENIENTE CORONEL EN EL EJERCITO DEL 
MAXIMIANO CALLES DURANTE LA GUERRA CRISTERA. EL SEGUNDO MILITAR, DEL 
CUAL NO CONOZCO EL NOMBRE, TIENE EL MISMO TIPO DE UNIFORME, DEL 
EJERCITO DE CALLES. CUALQUIER INFORMACION LA APRECIO MUCHO. HASTA 
LUEGO, LETICIA LEON

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These are great questions!  Some of my questions are:

The City of Colotlan was segregated Spanish/Native
Indians, when did the segregation end?  I noticed our
family started to mix with the Indios in the early to
mid-1800's.  

What small battles took place near and around the
city?

What type of life did women have to endure during the
late 1700's, early 1800's in regards to family,
survival, work?

What type of education was provided during the 1800's?

What is the most significant tragedy that stands out
in Colotlan's history as well as a joyous occasion
that that will always be remembered or stand out in
history?

Well I could keep going with many questions but then
the interview would go on for two days!

Carol

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if
> not all.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
> <makas@n...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>All the Colotlan and nearby area researchers of
> this group. Help me come 
> >>up with some interview questions for these
> Historiadores.
> >>
> >>what do you want to know?
> >>
> >>joseph
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> > 
> >1. What is the mining history of Colotlan?
> >2. Were the inhabitants of Colotlan and nearby
> areas migratory in nature, looking for the 
> >best jobs they could?
> >3. Did the Native American Indians of Colotlan
> survive? Are they still there?
> >4. Is it true the haciendas turned over every three
> generations?
> >5. What percent of the population in the 1700's and
> 1800's actually lived in the "city", like 
> >Colotlan vis-á-vis on the small ranches/haciendas?
> >6. How did Colotlan compare in the 1700's and
> 1800's to the major cities of Guadalajuara 
> >and Mexico City?
> >7. Who were the important figures in Colotlan
> history, both Spanish and Native American 
> >Indian?
> >8. How much influence did the Catholic Church have
> in the area? How much land did the 
> >Catholic church own or control before the land
> reforms of the 1850's?
> >9. Why was Colotlan originally chosen as a site for
> colonization by the Spanish?
> >10. When did the Spanish first come in force to the

1) She lived in El Paso and I believe was born in
Chihuahua!
2) The Moors were in Spain for over 700 years and I
suppose that many Spaniards, including us, have their
blood in our veins.  My brother-in-law and his wife
(both born in Los Altos, Jalisco) just returned from
Spain and told me that the people in southern Spain
look just like the people from Los Altos, Jalisco. 
Also, many of the north Africans (Moroccans) look like
us; he said he could not tell the difference.


Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> and Ted Williams was 1/2 Mexican (his mom). . .kind
> of got off the 
> subject. didn't I?
> 
> but Melungeons are such interesting people and are
> VERY possibly some of 
> the earliest non Native American settlers on the
> east coast. the Story 
> goes and DNA indications seem to say that they were
> crosses between the 
> Native Americans and slaves that Sir Francis Drake
> left behind on 
> Roanoke Island on 26 June 1586 which interacted with
> "the lost colony".  
> The slaves left behind were captured either in the
> Carribean Islands 
> and/or close to Spanish waters that were made of
> Turkish, Moors,  and 
> Other Mediterranean peoples,
> 
> http://melungeonhealth.org/info.html
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: and it is possible that some of us that have
> Moor blood floating 
> around our veins that have roots in  Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or 
> Aguascalientes might be related to to them. . .boy
> was that a stretch to 
> keep it on topic, wasn't it?
> 
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is
> suspected that 
> >Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you
> all look up that as 
> >it is too hard to explain here but needless to say
> a person "of 
> >color".
> >
> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"
> <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>The first enlightened leader of the are which we
> are all 
> >>    
> >>
> >researching, 
> >  
> >
> >>Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos
> in Mexico.  He 
> >>encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown
> and Novo-Spanish 

Arturo,

I appreciate the vote of confidence but I must respectfully decline.
I'm sure other members are better qualified to occupy a place in this
new commitee.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
>
> I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the 
> committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner 
> in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a 
> conflict of interest.  I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, 
> Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina.  Some are related to 
> me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly 
> all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do 
> the same for others.  I have not asked for their permission, so I 
> apologize if any of them decline the nomination.
> 

Alicia!!

I was browsing thru the internet and something of interes appears. 
Some e-mail I.D. and Rancho de Los Cuervos, names of Laguna Grande 
and Tepetongo, Arroyo Seco. Hope it helps. 
Jose

GenealogyForum.com Hispanic Genealogy 

http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/messages/genbbs.cgi/Hispanic

Subject: de la torre geneology
Posted by:dora vigil <amerimax@...> on Sun, 19 Sep 2004
looking for De La Torre Geneology, Rancho Los Cuervos
Jerez, zacatecas Mexico

Subject: De La Torre
Posted by:Christina <delatorre24@...> on Thu, 07 Oct 2004, in 
response to de la torre geneology, posted by dora vigil on Sun, 19 
Sep 2004
We have the De La Torre connection but I don't recognize Rancho los 
Cuervos. What are a few De La Torre names in you family? I have 
Sostenes, Pedro, Jesus, Pascual.
That is Great-Great grandfather, Great grandfather, Grandfather and 
Father (Pascual De La Torre). Let me know if any of these names 
sound familiar to you. they were from La Laguna Grande in Zacatecas

Subject: De La Torre
Posted by:Pedro De La Torre <retep333@...> on Tue, 16 Nov 
2004, in response to De La Torre, posted by Christina on Thu, 07 Oct 
2004
Hola, que buena onda oir mencionar o leer el apellido " De La Torre" 
yo soy De Arroyo seco, del municipio de Tepetongo. Saludos a todos 
los.
Y mucho gusto.


Subject: DE LA TORRE
Posted by:DORA DORAME VIGIL <AMERIMAX@...> on Thu, 02 Dec 
2004, in response to De La Torre, posted by Pedro De La Torre on 
Tue, 16 Nov 2004
SI, MI MAMA ES DE RANCHO LOS CUERVOS, ZACATECAS.
YO VIVO EN LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS, LOS ANGELES, CA.
DORA DORAME VIGIL,
1917 GRANVILLE AVE.
L. A. CA 90025


Subject: DE LA TORRE
Posted by:DORA DORAME VIGIL <DOVIG3@...> on Thu, 02 Dec 2004, in 
response to De La Torre, posted by Christina on Thu, 07 Oct 2004
HI, MY BROTHER, SAMUEL DORAME, IS DOING THE RESEARCH.
YES THE NAMES SOUND FAMILIAR,SOSTENES, AND PEDRO ARE RELATIVES. IT 
IS SAID THAT PEDRO WAS CALLED PEDROTE, BECAUSE HE WAS SO TALL AND 
HAD VERY LIGHT HAIR. CALL ME AND
I CAN MAIL THE GENOLOGY TREE WE HAVE.
I AM E MAILING THIS TO SDORAME@...
MY MOTHER WAS DEMETRIA DE LA TORRE BORN IN JEREZ ZACATECAS.
my telephone is 310 478 6633, we are near santa monica, ca.
1917 GRANVILLE AVE. L.A. 90025


Subject: De La Torre/Laguna Grande Zac.
Posted by:Christina De La Torre <delatorre24@...> on Fri, 03 Dec 

P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that 
Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you all look up that as 
it is too hard to explain here but needless to say a person "of 
color".

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all 
researching, 
> Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico.  He 
> encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish 
> (Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
> the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations 
> with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.
> 
> He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown.  I am 
> now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that 
so 
> many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente 
> Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to 
> mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was 
> Zapotec.  I think that as much prejudice as there was back then, 
the 
> demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases 
> made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working 
> person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well 
> for themselves.  Statistically probaly not as well as they might 
have 
> done now a days but definitely better than people of color were 
doing 
> in the United States at the same time... Benito Juarez was 
president 
> at the same time as Abraham Lincoln...
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
> > positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
> > Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
> > Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
> > Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
> > and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
> > successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
> > yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
> > of dark skin, just like in this country.
> > 
> > Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > Santa Maria, California
> >  
> > --- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...> wrote:
> > 

I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the 
committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner 
in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a 
conflict of interest.  I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, 
Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina.  Some are related to 
me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly 
all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do 
the same for others.  I have not asked for their permission, so I 
apologize if any of them decline the nomination.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> I second that nomination ( I know I don't speak up much, but hey, 
I'll put
> my two centavos in....)
> Also, I'll pledge $10 towards the fund.
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:58 PM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Nomination of Candidates
> 
> 
>   Joseph,
> 
>   I nominate two people to be part of the support fund committee. 
They
>   would be Alberto Duarte and Irma Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive 
at this
>   nomination? They were the last two people who volunteered a 
donation. I
>   figured this alone makes them viable candidates as they took an
>   interest into why and what for. Of course it's subject to their
>   acceptance.
> 
>   Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all researching, 
Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico.  He 
encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish 
(Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations 
with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.

He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown.  I am 
now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that so 
many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente 
Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to 
mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was 
Zapotec.  I think that as much prejudice as there was back then, the 
demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases 
made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working 
person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well 
for themselves.  Statistically probaly not as well as they might have 
done now a days but definitely better than people of color were doing 
in the United States at the same time... Benito Juarez was president 
at the same time as Abraham Lincoln...



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
> positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
> Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
> Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
> Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
> and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
> successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
> yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
> of dark skin, just like in this country.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
>  
> --- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...> wrote:
> 
> > Irma--
> > 
> > No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> > is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> > light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> > blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> > saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> > striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> > his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> > traced some of the Garcias who married into the

size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia Avelar Olmos de
Carrillo
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:58 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Nomination of
Candidates

Joseph,

I nominate two people to be
part of the support fund committee. They
would be Alberto Duarte and Irma
Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this
nomination? They were the last two
people who volunteered a donation. I
figured this alone makes them viable
candidates as they took an
interest into why and what for. Of course it's
subject to their
acceptance.

Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
Ca

Joseph,

I nominate two people to be part of the support fund committee. They 
would be Alberto Duarte and Irma Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this 
nomination? They were the last two people who volunteered a donation. I 
figured this alone makes them viable candidates as they took an 
interest into why and what for. Of course it's subject to their 
acceptance.

Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca