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Actually, you never lose any of your ancestor's
traits.  You are a composite of everyone that came
before you.  Yes, some traits are more predominate
than others.  I'm no exception; my brother's kids all
came out with blond hair and blue eyes while mine came
out with dark eyes and dark hair.  My brother is fair
and I'm dark (just like my grandmother).  In fact,
people use to ask if we were related.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California  

--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> I really did not mean to spark anything, and Santo
> Toribio is my only
> claim to fame.  We genealogists are usually joked
> about always being
> related to someone famous.  He's about it so far,
> and my dad looks
> nothing like him.  When my parents visited Europe a
> few decades ago.
> They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his
> dark, curly hair
> and olive complexion.  It was a real shocker when I
> discovered that one
> of his grandmothers was even a Romo.  The
> ressemblance is more than
> coloring.  I am not exaggerating when I say that my
> cousin Gregorio
> could be his double, and anyone coming from
> Jalostotitlan would tell you
> that the Romos in the area have those tell-tale Romo
> eyes.  
> Something that we Gomez are known for is our height.
>  My dad's apodo was
> "La Escalera del diablo."  He and his brothers were
> all 6' and up.  Of
> course my cousin Sam who measures about 5'5" would
> definitely not fit
> the bill.  He took after his petite mother.  Anyway,
> I just finished
> reading a book, Una seccion de los de Alba by Miguel
> de Alba Gonzalez.
> Since my dad's aunt married into the de Alba family
> in San Juan de los
> Lagos, I thought that it would be interesting to
> read.  Furthermore  we
> all know that in small towns everyone in the area
> eventually ties into
> every family.  I did find reference to her.    I
> also found a  reference
> to another distant relative, and the author remarked
> on his height, and
> it being attributed to his mother who came from the
> Gomez from the
> ranch, La Parada.  My Gomez' married twice into this
> family.  This
> family was rich, our Gomez were not.  My dad's tia
> was an old maid
> (26!!!), and he was a rich widower in his 60s.  My
> dad always joked
> about his Gomez tias being married to men of short

Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
of dark skin, just like in this country.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
 
--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Irma--
> 
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My
> husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
> Anna Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
> descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
> Rincon de Romos.  In between there were Aguirres,
> Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
> Roman.  
> 
> I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from
> Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
> Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
> be inter-related.  They also look different from the
> people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the
> 1960's with my father.  It seems my husband's
> ancestors were always merchants or military, or
> religious, etc. (town people) and were not laborers
> on the ranchos like my ancestors.  That leads me to
> believe that the Spaniards were more educated than
> the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
> authority and in commerce rather than laboring in
> the fields and ranches.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Irma
> GomezLucero<mailto:igomezlucero@...> 
>   To:
>

I agree with you Alicia...

My fathers' cousin Angel Ramirez, and his wife Katy,
gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny Ramirez.
The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5",
brown eyes, and long beautiful black hair. Her twin
brother growth was cut shot, just under 4 feet, green
eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took a
while to figure that one. No one thought they were
siblings. I believe many people do not understand what
they are really asking, assuming that it is just a
matter of people having similar physical appearance.
However, since physical appearance is influenced by
environmental factors, and not just genetics, people
can actually look very differently.

Jose Munoz

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son who is very dark
> and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a daughter
> that is not so dark and has beautiful brown eyed,
> black haired beautiful girls. Looks, eye color and
> skin color don't always tell the full story.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Irma--
>  
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My
> husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
> Anna Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
> descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
> Rincon de Romos.  In between there were Aguirres,
> Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
> Roman.  
>  
> I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from
> Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
> Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must

I agree with you Alicia;

My father's cousin, and his wife, had a set of you
can't always tell by looking fraternal twins. The girl
grew up normal, tall, slim, brown eyes with long black
beatiful hair. The boy growth however was cut short,
height under four feet, green eyes, and  bright red
"carrot top" hair. They couldn't figure that one.

I feel some people do not understand what they are
really asking, assuming that it is just a matter of
having similar physical appearance. Sometimes physical
appearance is influenced by environmental factors and
not just genetics.



Jose Munoz


--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son who is very dark
> and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a daughter
> that is not so dark and has beautiful brown eyed,
> black haired beautiful girls. Looks, eye color and
> skin color don't always tell the full story.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Irma--
>  
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My
> husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
> Anna Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
> descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
> Rincon de Romos.  In between there were Aguirres,
> Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
> Roman.  
>  
> I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from
> Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
> Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
> be inter-related.  They also look different from the
> people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the

You're welcome, Alicia...and I don't know about the ancestors of the couple I mentioned.  I simply wondered whether or not you know them.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
Sent: Nov 28, 2005 6:47 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

David,
 
Thanks for that information regarding the ''Ranchos Los Cuervos.'' That gives me something to go on until this Wednesday when I review the films that have just arrived at my Fremont FHC for the marriage of Prudencio de Olmos and Juana de Jauregui in Nochistlan Zac in the year 1857.
 
Unfortunately I don't know Bernie or Esther Olmos, do you know where their descendants came from?
 
Alicia Carrillo de San Jose Ca

"David P. Delgado" <dpdelgado@...> wrote:
Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
Sent: Nov 27, 2005 8:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in the early 1800's and that as a result of that split there may have been two separate Olmos families that originated in Los Cuervos. One branch stayed put and the other was established in Nochistlan Zac. but she doesn't know if Los Cuervos is in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.
Thanks, any help would be appreciated........Alicia Carrillo........San Jose, Ca



David P. Delgado


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I don't see why not as the Cathedral is very close to where the 
meeting will be.  I'm just not sure how long the relics will be 
there.  I guess we can call the Cathedral prior to going.

Maria Uhlenburg

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
>
> This coming Saturday is the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento, would 
it be possible to visit the church on Saturday? That would be sooo 
cool!
>  
> Alicia
> 
> "Maria E. Uhlenburg" <fuccifeet@s...> wrote:
> Irma,
> The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished 
and 
> from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested 
> some relics from Guadalajara.
> 
> This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess 
> there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested 
that 
> one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I 
guess 
> they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past 
> Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.
> 
> Nena
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Irma,
The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and
from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested
some relics from Guadalajara.

This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess
there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that
one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I guess
they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past
Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.

Nena

Irma,
The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and 
from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested 
some relics from Guadalajara.

This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess 
there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that 
one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I guess 
they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past 
Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.

Nena

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
Sent: Nov 27, 2005 8:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early
1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in the early 1800's and that as a result of that split there may have been two separate Olmos families that originated in Los Cuervos. One branch stayed put and the other was established in Nochistlan Zac. but she doesn't know if Los Cuervos is in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.
Thanks, any help would be appreciated........Alicia Carrillo........San Jose, Ca



David P. Delgado

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
Sent: Nov 27, 2005 8:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in the early 1800's and that as a result of that split there may have been two separate Olmos families that originated in Los Cuervos. One branch stayed put and the other was established in Nochistlan Zac. but she doesn't know if Los Cuervos is in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.
Thanks, any help would be appreciated........Alicia Carrillo........San Jose, Ca

 

David P. Delgado

Don't assume anything.

Approximately, 14 years ago when I started my
genealogy research, I got a long list of all those
with the last name of Duarte from our local LDS
library, that dated back to 1496, from the state of
Zacatecas.  I assumed that I was not related to those
Duartes that were not from Jerez (that's where my
grandfather was born).  After about 10 years of
researching, I proved myself wrong, dead wrong---I
found out that I was related to over half of the early
Duartes from Zacatecas, and many of them were from
various different towns and ranches, other than Jerez!


This was not the first time that I assumed the I was
not related to an individual with the same last name
(Prieto), but later again, I proved myself wrong.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.


--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
> commonly seen in Romos
> even of today.  My aunt married a Romo, and many of
> my cousins have a
> striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
> eyes-whether they be
> brown/green/blue) to Santo Toribio.  Since they
> haven't done any
> research, I've been trying to figure out any
> connections for them.  In
> doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of
> the family to Santo
> Toribio's mother who is NOT a Romo.  This is how I
> came to "meet" John
> G.  I still have more work to do on my Romos & my
> cousin's.  I also
> thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie into
> Rincon de Romos.  My
> cousins claim that their father often told them they
> weren't related to
> the Romos of Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis
> Potosi.  I just
> think that their features are a bit too much to
> ignore.  Gotta go and
> dig some more....
> Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo too,
> and that you tied
> into the Romos in Rincon de Romos?  Just
> wondering...  I know there are
> still many there but haven't been able to tie mine
> in ...
> Irma
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alberto Duarte
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
> Ghostly Benefactor of
> Illegal Aliens!
> 
> 
> It's called faith and we have it.
>