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I typed “Rancho de Los Ocotes San Miguel el Alto” in google search and it showed exactly where it is, and also gave information on the number of houses in Rancho de Los Ocotes.

Rick A. Ricci

Hi Arlene,
I recall seeing additional information for Jalpa under Files>Reference Materials>Jalpa posted by another member that I found very helpful. It includes:

Jalpa Marriages 1685-1712 and 1819-1827
Jalpa Padron de 1820 Transcrition in PDF
Jalpa Padrones 1820

Good Luck in your research.
Ruben R

Hi,

You're correct, the parents of Damien Gomez are Luis Gomez and Juana Jimenez. Both Luis Gomez and Juana Jimenez are named in the defuncion of Damien Gomez:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5VR-92SS

Chris

Dear Arlene,

I don’t want to steer you down the wrong path so please check your information before adding the data that I am providing you. I don’t have the wife of Damian GOMEZ as María De Jesus. I have her name as María Francisca Gutierrez. The Damian Gomez that I am writing about may not be the same Damian Gomez that you have in your family tree but much of the information that you provided fits with this Damian Gomez. José Damian Gomez and María Francisca Gutierrez have a son named Jose Gregorio Gomez. This José Damian was born at the same year as your Damian Gomez. This family has another Gomez ancestry so the Gomez Portugal could possibly come from that line.

José Gregorio Gómez bap.17/Nov/1842, son of Damian Gomez (30/sep/1820) and Francisca Gutierrez, paternal grandparents Ygnacio Gomez and María De la Cruz Garcia; maternal grandparents are Lorenzo Gutierrez and María Cecilia Torres.

Ygnacio Gómez is the son of Jose Gomez and María Josefa

María De la Cruz García is

Dear Jaime,

I recommend that you study the baptismal record of Jesus’s brother, Jose Agustin Rosa Ynojosa, to see if you can gather more information.

Jose Agustin Rosa Ynojosa
Gender Male
Christening Date 28 Aug 1803
Christening Place SAN JUAN BAUTISTA,SOMBRERETE,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Regino De La Rosa
Mother's Name Maria Franca. Ynojosa
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS4X-24K : 11 February 2018), Jose Regino De La Rosa in entry for Jose Agustin Rosa Ynojosa, 28 Aug 1803; citing SAN JUAN BAUTISTA,SOMBRERETE,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 604,815.

Wish you luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Here is the evidence that Jose Gabriel Rosales y Romo and his wife Leonor Ruiz De Esparza are third cousins , once removed, through their Ruiz deEsparza lines:

1). Lope Ruiz De Esparza and Ana Francisca Gabai Navarro De Moctezuma

2). Bernardo Ruiz De Esparza and Cathalina Lozano m. 27/Feb/1634, [daughter of Juan Lozano and Isabel Frias]. (Catalina’s paternal grandparents:Juan Lozano and Inés Martínez)

3). Xstoval (Christobal) Ruiz De Esparza and Antonia (Antta) Alvarado (aka Lopez De Alvarado)(m. 19/Jan1662) [daughter of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elizalde (Lizalde)]

4). Francisco Ruiz De Esparza Alvarado and Josepha Ulloa, (b.28/Apr/1682), (daughter of Nicolás de Iñiguez y Ulloa y Lorenza de Cuevas, m. 13/Feb/1668)

5). Leonor Ruiz De Esparza (buried 26/Jun/1787) and Jose Gabriel Rosales y Romo De Vivar. [Jose Gabriel and Leonor are third cousins once removed through their Ruiz De Esparza lines).

6). They had at least two daughters:

María Gregoria De la Sma

Hello Cynthia,

I do not have any information to share on your particular line, but I am decended from Lope De Esparza brother of Francisco.
Feel free to view my Gedcom which should be posted.

Joe Jimenez

Dear Cynthia,

Francisco Romo and Lorenza Ruiz De Esparza were not past 60 when their daughter Josepha was born. Lorenza was baptized in 1654 so she was 35 when her daughter Josepha baptized in 1689. Francisco was a little older as I have him as being born in the mid 1640’s.

Josepha and her husband Geronimo had many children. Their son Jose Gavriel Rosales Romo married his cousin Leonor Ruiz De Esparza.

Lorenza Ruiz De Esparza did not use the surnames of her parents. She was named after her maternal grandmother, “Lorenza Ruiz De Esparza.” You may have confused the two women and that is why you have Josepha’s mother as being much older.

Rick A. Ricci, book Mygenes2000

El pueblo de Cuquío, ubicado al Norte de Tepatitlán, a unos 30 kilómetros de Yahualica, fue la cuna de las primeras familias González Hermosillo. Recordemos que el Primer Diego Ildefonso González Hermosillo, el fundador de la familia, casó en Abril de 1716 con Lorenza Manuela de Cabrera de Plascencia y Maldonado, que era de Cuquío. Ya casados migraron al real de Asientos y luego a la hacienda de El Tecuán, al servicio del Mayorazgo de Ciénega de Mata. Ella había pertenecido a las mejores familias alteñas fundadoras de la Nueva Galicia. De hecho, su padre, don Antonio Cabrera, ostentaba en cargo de Capitán, concedido por la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara. Ramas de los González se quedaron allí aisladas por siglos algunas de esas familias, emparentándose entre sí, lo cual fue bastante común en la Nueva España. Luego se diseminaron por todos los Altos de Jalisco.

Hoy en día, Cuquío conserva en su arquitectura y sus costumbres una verdadera cultura mexicana, la criolla, la que se consolidó

Jorge,

Me faltó lo siguiente:

"En 14 de febro. de 616 años desposse a Juan de Padilla ___ natural de Xerez
con Doña Petrona de siordia, Premissas las moniciones y demás diligencias
establecidas Testigos Alonso Perez, Nicolas Morillo, y Juan Gil estantes en
esta villa. - Velaronse a 13 de enero de 617 años fueron Padrinos Lope Ruiz
de Esparza y Doña María de Siordia cuñada del dicho Juan de Padilla i al
cassamiento fueron Padrinos Doña Juana de Siordia, y Martín Fernandez de
Vaulus su hermano el cual quiso despues descasar a su hermana por no tener
edad, Pero le valió poco la malicia. [firma] Lorezo Rodriguez."

Bill Figueroa

Hola Jorge,

Yo tengo lo siguiente:

Los padres de Juana de Alderete fueron Francisco de Alderete, originario de
Lobaton, Valladolid, Reynos de Castilla, y doña Elvira de Padilla e Isordia.

Fuente: Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche Jalisco.
Matrimonios Libro #1, Fojas #113V.

Al margen: Diego Alonso con Juana de Alderete

Diego Alonso de Hermosillo con Doña Juana de Alderete, vecinos de este
pueblo.
Juana de Alderete: Hija de Francisco de Alderete y Doña Elbira de Padilla
(difunta)
Padrinos: Capitan Pedro de Burgos y Doña Josepha de Leon.

No se quienes fueron los padres de Francisco de Alderete, pero los de Elvira
de Padilla fueron Juan de Padilla y Delgadillo y Petrona Fernández de Vaulus
y Siordia.

In Aguascalientes, on 14 Feb 1616 were the nuptials for Juan de Padilla,
español natural de Jerez and Petrona de Isordia. The velación on 13 Jan
1617 had as padrinos Lope Ruiz de Esparza and María de Isordia, "cuñada del
novio."

Puedes encontrar el acta

APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES

La vieja tradición de que descendemos de personajes que fueron empleados administradores de haciendas en diferentes tiempos y circunstancias se constata en algunos referentes documentales. Es el caso, por ejemplo, de don Antonio Carrillo de Sandi, persona que fue muy cercana a los afectos del marqués don Fernando Rincón Gallardo y su esposa "la señora mayorazga" doña Josefa Calderón y Berrio.

Don Antonio Carrillo de Sandi (padre de María Carrillo, de quienes descendemos directamente), fue un hombre de todas las confianzas de los Rincón Gallardo y se le hicieron importantes encargos de administración central y la administración de la hacienda de La Troje, además de formar parte de una especie de "Corte" de campo o "personas de agrado y compañía" de los marqueses. María Carrillo de Sandi, hija de don Antonio, casó con Andrés Díaz de León, quien fue administrador de la hacienda de El Tecuán.

En la Historia de Montesa, se refiere que: "Los

APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES

Los titulares del Mayorazgo de Ciénega de Mata, los marqueses de Guadalupe-Gallardo, observaron desde antiguo una costumbre conveniente y eficaz que les unía con sus empleados por medio de vínculos de afecto, gratitud y lealtad. Esos vínculos eran los compadrazgos.

Apadrinar matrimonios y bautizar selectivamente algunas de las criaturas de sus administradores y demás funcionarios de escritorio y operarios de campo era para los Rincón Gallardo una inteligente estrategia para otorgar privilegios y establecer compromisos de sus empleados para con ellos. Formaban así un selecto círculo de familiaridad entre sus sirvientes, clérigos, médicos, capellanes, preceptores de escuela y abogados que formaban algo así como una corte provinciana, pero no eran cualquier gente.

Algunos de ellos eran españoles peninsulares muy finamente educados y con altos estudios; otros eran criollos muy ilustrados y los más, no tanto. Las familias Bocanegra

Hi

I came across the death/burial record for:

Maria Ruys (Ruis) de Esparza, wife of el capn.Thomas de Alexo Villalpando.

She has been referred to as Maria de Sotelo, and Maria de Xaen Ruiz de Esparza in other documents, according to George Fulton's "Descendants of Tomás de Villalpando and Maria Beles (Vélez)

She was buried 09 March 1710 in Asientos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XXD3-FVH?i=21&wc=M6QX-… IMAGE 22

Citation:

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XXD3-FVH?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 20 May 2014), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Defunciones 1705-1757 > image 22 of 551; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Regards
Denise

I found a baptism entry 1681 for MARCOS DE VILLALPANDO, son of MARCOS DE VILLALPANDO and MARIA LOPEZ in LEON.

IMAGE 112
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:37SQ-29SV-K39?i=111&wc=3VWP…

"México, Guanajuato, registros parroquiales, 1519-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:37SQ-29SV-K39?cc=1860831&wc=3VW… : 20 May 2014), León > Sagrario > Bautismos de españoles 1636-1715, 1718-1748 > image 112 of 598; parroquias Católicas, Guanajuato (Catholic Church parishes, Guanajuato).

Regards
Denise

I found three mentions of Antonio Villapando...three men or two or one and the same?

Here are the links and some info:

Image 275
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SPY?i=274&wc=M6QX…
06 May 1752
Joseph Antonio Villalpando, age 25, esp, soltero, testigo #2, MAESTRO DE SASTRE
I.M. for Joseph Sanchez mestizo and Maria Servantes española
Cannot sign his own name
_______________
Image 279
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKV?i=278&wc=M6QX…
10 may 1752
Antonio de Villalpando age 25, esp, soltero, testigo #2,
I.M. for Joseph Marcelo Reyes esp and Anna Josepha (Infante) esp.
cannot sign own name
______________

Image 305
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKN?i=304&wc=M6QX… image 305
10 june 1752
Antonio de Villalpando, age 24, from Tepezalan, soltero, testigo #1
I M for Pedro Fermin

Hi Villalpando and Aguila researchers

I have gone through the images for the Asientos Informacion Matrimoniales 1750- 54 looking for Aguila and Villalpando names. I did not see anyone with last name Aguila, but there were several Villalpandos. I have already posted some of them, and here are the rest:

FIRST the citation:
Mexico, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620 - 1962 (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes)
Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información Matrimonial 1750 - 1754

WHAT I FOUND:

10 May 1752
Image 279
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKV?i=278&wc=M6QX…
Antonio de Villalpando, testigo #2, IM for Anna Josepha Infante (esp) and Joseph Marcelo Reyes (esp)
age 25,
esp,
soltero,
cannot sign his name

Image 325 -
26 aug 1752
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SYF?i=324&wc=M6QX…
Miguel de Villalpando, testigo #2, IM for

I found:

Joseph Antonio Villalpando as testigo #2 , noted as single, age 25. I think he is #29 on George Fulton's list of descendants of Tomas de Villalpando, where he is listed as the son of Elena Lorensa de Villalpando and Salbador de Santiago de Escobar, christened 16 May 1736. The proposed marriage is for Joseph Sanchez mestizo and Maria Servantes española, the document is dated 06 May of 1752.

Here is the link:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SPY?i=274&wc=M6QX…

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Hi Denise!

I found this while looking for something else and I thought it appropriate to share here.

It is for a merced (land grant) given to Don Juan Antonio Villalpando in 1762 (I think).

“…en dicha ciudad a los 17 de marzo pasado de este corriente año, en que hizo merced a Don Juan Antonio Villalpando y sus consortes vecinos de los Asientos de 36 caballerías, y tres cuartos de otra que resultan realengas en el Puesto de Tepezalá de la misma jurisdicción…”

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-DS3B-G?cat=278176

And elsewhere, I found a map that I believe shows the above mentioned merced near Tepezalá. There is also a signature from a Pedro Joseph de Billalpando on the page.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-YSFL-Z?cat=278176

Glenn

Denise,

I'm glad you found more info on the Villalpando line, two generations! Great!

Keep up the good work please.

Best regards,

Bernardo Menchaca

Hi George

I found this reference to a Thomas de Villalpando in Asientos (Tepesala) in a case regarding a palabra de casamiento

16 August 1724
Maria de la Salud Esparza Billalpando espanola
From Tepesala but resident of Asientos
identified as the daughter of Thomas de Billalpando and Maria de Esparza

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PH7-MV7?i=345&wc=M6QX…

It's in the Info Matr for Asientos 1721-26, image 346.

Regards
Denise

I came across documents regarding a case of dispute over a promise of marriage. The man involved is named Marzelo Antonio Nepumoceno Villalpando. He declares that he does not, after all, want to marry Maria del Carmen Lopez, (even though he admits to “illicit amistad”) She contests this. In his declaration he mentions the following:
His father - Manuel Villalpando
His brother in law - Diego de Aguila, living in Tepezala
His uncle - Miguel Villalpando

His father is further identified at the beginning of the document as Joseph Manuel Villalpando.
Here is a link to the first image where case is mentioned:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6769-Q2J?i=517&wc=M6QX…
It runs from image 518 to image 547. Most of the images are good and handwriting is clear, but the last few pages are not so clear. Don’t know how it ended, except FS index reveals that Marzelo later married someone else and had several children.

There are a few

Hi

I am trying to find out if these two Juana Villalpandos are the same person.

The first Juana:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PHS?i=249&wc=M6Q6…

The first image is for a baptism of Juana de Guadalupe (left hand side, 5th from the top)
Her father is clearly written Antonio del Villalpando.
Her mother’s name (last name) is not so clear: Maria de Chavez? Chayze? Chayre?

The second Juana

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6323-9G1?i=495&wc=M6QX…

The second image is an Informacion Matrimonial for Joseph de Arambulo and Juana Villalpando. On the third line from the top, you see Juana’s mother’s name. It looks like the same last name on the birth certificate - kind of like Chavez yet not Chavez.

I am pretty sure its the same woman, but the last name of the mother is one I cannot figure out. The second Juana was espanola, but at the age of 36, with

Hi George

I am going through baptisms in Asientos in the early 1700's.

Found these baptisms which you might be interested in:

1.
14 nov 1719
Child Santiago Biturino (?) esp h l
Father: nicolas de luebana
Mother: Maria de Billalpando

Padrinos: Antonio Serrano and Petrona Gentil Gallardo

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-P33?i=286&wc=M6Q6…

2.
25 oct. 1720
child: Maria theresa esp h l
father: Pedro de Esparza
mother: Dona Nicolasa Gentil Gallardo

padrino: Don Salvador Sanchez

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PN3?i=320&wc=M6Q6…

3. Antonio Serrano and Petrona Gentil Gallardo were padrinos for yet another child:

Image 269
26 feb 1719

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PQ1?i=268&wc=M6Q6…

Child juan francisco solano
Father Antonio Romo de Vivar
Mother Phelipa de Cuebas

Padrinos

Here you go, primo, here's the main page for the diocese of Guadalajara, 1639-1875: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24108

The main page isn't indexed by community, but if you follow the thread, you'll find some indexed by NR members.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Denise,

i dont know the answer to this question, but if you find out could you please post the information. there are several people who are looking for this information also. Also looking for late 1600s Fresnillo records too.

Hello Everyone,

While looking at some documents related to the Holy Inquisition in Mexico... I ran across a document which mentions Alonso de Villalpando and Faustina Arias:

Proceso contra Diego Fernandez del Toro por Blasfemo - Maravatio (1581)

It's somewhat difficult to read given the Spanish paleography of the period. I am able to make out some names and that Alonso and Faustina were Espanoles neighbors of Maravatio.

By the way, please check on www.valladoliddispensas.com for Villalpando dispensas/informacion matrimoniales when you get a chance. I think that there's 2 or 3 at least that we've turned up.

Hope it helps.

Daniel

En veinte y un días del mes de febrero de mil y seiscientos y treinta y ocho años . . .puse el santo olio y chrisma a Joan hijo de Andrés y Christina Angelina naturales de la hacienda de Villalpando. Fueron sus padirnos Diego Miguel y Ana María de la misma hacienda, baptiçole por salir muy malo, Jusepe de Villalpando, español.
[Rúbrica] Fr. Alonso de Contreras

It appears the Villalpando family held lands in and out of Guanajuato. It appears this Jusepe de Villalpando was a relative of the hacendado. Some other sources I have are the following:

“Juan Villalpando recibió como merced del Cabildo de la villa de León tres caballerías. Pedro Medel recibió otras tantas de la misma autoridad, que después vendió a Villalpando en $100 el 10 de febrero de 1610.” Haciendas de Guanajuato by Isauro Rionda Arreguín

In 1610 Juan de Villalpando had received three caballerías from the city council and then purchased the land that belonged to Pedro Medel, without doubt in my mind this Pedro Medel

Hi Daniel

Diego Mendez de Torres and Constanza de Busto y Puelles (in the 8th entry below) are mentioned as padrinos in a baptism in Leon in 1671.

He is named as "el Sr. Alcalde" Diego Mendez. Constanza is named Dna. Constanza Busto.

The child is Constanza, dau. of Nicolas Banales and Maria Lopez de Lara.

I thought it was interesting to see Diego's "job". You may have already seen this, but just in case, posting it here.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S51L-J9?i=77&wc=3VWP-7…

"México, Guanajuato, registros parroquiales, 1519-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S51L-J9?cc=1860831&wc=3VWP… : 20 May 2014), León > Sagrario > Bautismos de españoles 1636-1715, 1718-1748 > image 78 of 598; parroquias Católicas, Guanajuato (Catholic Church parishes, Guanajuato).

Regards
Denise Fastrup

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Jorge y el foro:

Gracias realmente por la búsqueda ayuda bastante ya que el libro está agotado. Me he comunicado con Guillermo Padilla Orgiel diariamente sobre mis líneas de michoacán.

Hay mucho interés en conectar a mi patriarcha don Diego Méndez de Torres que llegó a Zamora a principios del siglo XVII. En mis estudios pues unos de mis actos positivos mi familia levantó limpieza de sangre a principios del siglo XIX fechado 20 de octubre de 1818 en la ciudad de México cuando ingresaron al Real Colegio de Abogados en la Ciudad de México.

Cito el libro, Aspirantes al ilustre y Real Colegio de Abogados de México: Extractos de sus informaciones de limpieza de sangre (1760-1823) Tomo III (Pág. 70 expediente 406) por el Sr. Lic. Alejandro Mayagoitia. Levantó información genealógica de limpieza de sangre los hermanos Méndez de Torres (hubo cino que ingresaron al Real Colegio de Abogados). Tengo copia de los cinco tomos de dicha obra por el Sr. Lic. Mayagoitia. Hay muchos parientes

Hello Laura, We may have common relative in Jose Maria Villa(early 1800's). I have him as my 5th great grandfather. Then there's his son, also Jose Maria Villa. Then his son Sostenes Villa born in "El Ojo de Agua de Los Solis". Let me know if you think we link up. I still don't have the two Jose Maria's birthplaces but I'm betting they're from around the same area.
Take Care,
Johnny

Thank you Laura!!

Alicia

________________________________
From: Laura Villa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New GEDCOM file added (Villa, Casillas, Solis)

Just wanted to let everyone know that I uploaded a GEDCOM file for my family tree. It contains about 200 people. My family comes from Zacatecas (Nochistlan, Pueblo Viejo, Moyahua, Teul, Tabasco). The majority of the surnames in the family tree are Villa, Casillas, Solis, and Duran. Hope this info helps others :)

-Laura

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/laura107                        

(10) Diego de Alvarado Mexia had a first marriage prior to being married to Leonor Contreras y Gutierrez. His first marriage was to Teresa Suarez De Moscoso y Figueroa There was only one daughter from this first marriage, Isabel Suarez Alvarado De Figueroa, who married her cousin, Alonso Hernandez De Moscoso y Figueroa. Alonso and Isabel are the parents of Catalina De Alvarado y Figueroa who married Pedro Venegas y Quesada.

Rick A. Ricci

1. – Don Arias Díaz Messía, que vivió en el Solar de los Messía en Galicia en tiempos del rey Alfonso VI.

2. – Don Garci Díaz Messía, casó con doña Teresa Yánez de Fornelos.

3. – Don Arias Díaz Messía, sirvió al rey en la batalla de las Navas de Tolosa y que casó con doña Elvira de Ambia.

4. – Don Juan Arias Messía, tomó parte en la conquista de Córdoba, con el rey Fernando III, y que casó con doña Juana de Figueroa.

5. – Don Garci Diaz Messia, sirvió a los reyes Alfonso X y Sancho IV el Bravo, y que casó, en segundas nupcias, con doña Isabel de Mendoza.

6. – Don Gonzalo Messía, vivió en tiempos de Fernando IV y casó con doña Juana Osorio.

7. – Don Garci Díaz Messía, vivió en tiempos del rey Alfonso XI y casó con doña María de Guzmán

8. – Don Diego Gonzalo Messía, Señor De Loriana casó con María Sánchez de Sandoval Sotomayor.

9. – Doña Catalina Messía De Sandoval se casó con Juan De Alvarado Dávila “el Viejo” Bracamonte, comendador de Hornachos en la orden De Santiago.

10. –

Richard,

Thank you for providing these examples of documents in varios registries in PARES, what a wealth mine of information! I'll need to review these documents over the next few weeks and see what additional information I can find on the line. It would be interesting to see if we can work on the family line in Granada. The fact we know that the father was a oídor, can help us pinpoint further clues as to their ancestry. Regarding your Ibarra line, we are also related here. Antonio de Ibarra and Francisca de Gabay, Montes de Oca or Esparza (she used several names) are my 10th great grand uncle and aunt. I descend from Francisca's parents: Francisco Sánchez Rodríguez y Montes de Oca and Ana Tomasina Ruiz de Esparza. Here is their marriage record; you may have it already.

17 de agosto de 1639
Casé y velé Antonio de Ibarra hijo legítimo de Antonio de Ibarra y María de Escobar, él natural del pueblo de Teocaltiche con testimonio del cura del pueblo con Francisca Sánchez Gavai hija de

Hi Richard,

Thank you for sharing this information and for starting a new thread on this family. Andrés Vanegas de Torres and Isabel de Medinilla are my 10th great grandparents on my mother's side. We descend from their daughter Ana Juliana Vanegas de Torres y Medinilla who was baptized on 28 Feb 1625 in Guadalajara. She married Fernando de Soto y Agredano ca. 1640, probably in Guadalajara and had numerous children. This line is interesting as their children would marry into the Ladrón de Guevara, Gómez de Aguilar, González de Rubalcaba, and Martínez de Basurto, just to name a few familiar names.

Do you have a source for Andrés Vanegas de Torres, from Granada? And any children he may have baptized? I was not aware of this, then again, I haven't been able to dedicate too much time to this line. As far as the link with Isabel, it is very interesting. The timeline, name and place fits. We'll need to find a dispensa, marriage or civil record that clearly establish the link between the

Hi Bernardo

I just figured out that two Femat sibliings married two Romo siblings:

Antonio Fermin Femat and Monica Romo de Vivar

Isabel Femat and Salvador Romo de Vivar.

Antonio and Isabel are the children of Fermin Antonio Femat and Barbara Gonzales Aguirre.

Monica and Salvador are the children of Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria Villalobos.

You provided the info on Monica RV and Antonio Femat.

The info on Isabel and Salvador is in an Info Matr. from Asientos 1716:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D8S7-XFT?i=209&wc=M6QX…

GS film #1410796 image 210

I came across it by chance while browsing through the images.

I did a search here in NR for Salvador Romo and Isabel Femat, and I found nothing, therefore I am posting it now, as another example of siblings marrying siblings. It really complicates trying to draw a family tree!

Do you have any info on Fermin Antonio Femat or Barbara Gonzales Aguirre?

Regards
Denise

Denise Fastrup
Hi Bernardo

I can see there are several potential children of Maria Urbana Lira and Raphael Romo
in family search, although you only mention three children.
Ma.Romualda
Ma.Eulogia
Jose Ydelfonso
Ma. Ambrosia
Ma. Felipe
Jose Fruto
Rafael de Jesus

Here is the link to the search results:
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenna…

I can see in my notes that Romualda was noted as mestiza, and Ambrosia as India. When I first saw this infomation, I had dismissed any close link to the Romos I was looking for, who are noted as Spanish, but since then I have come across an article that discussed the switching of ethnic identity between Spanish and Indian (of the same person!).

The truth is, Manual Romo + wife who are my ancestors were padrinos for a child of Raphael and Urbana, and Raphael and Urbana were padrinos in return. Someday I hope

Denise Fastrup
Hello Bernando

I have uploaded some information into my files from Ancestry.com on Manuel Romo which shows that Maria Hurvana Lira was godparent for one of his children. This is the Manuel who I think has Raphael Prudencio Romo and Maria Rafaela Aguilar as parents. The information was compiled by Ernie Alderete with a few of my own notes added. If you have problems seeing the file, let me know.

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Bernardo,

Maria de los Dolores FEMAT was married to Jose Antonio SERRANO Villalpando on 11 Oct 1792, in Asientos, Ags, Sra. de Belen, Mat 1792-1810, Image 12.
and
Tiburcio FEMAT married Maria Antonia MARTINES Castañeda on 13 Jan 1808, also Asientos, same film, Image 335.

Gloria Delgado

Hello Bermardo. I can't help you with what you asked about. However, in
case you find out that Rafael Femate and Rafael Romo are one and the same
person you should know that Capitán Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of
Pedro Romo de Vivar and Lorenza Tiscareño de Molina y Ruiz de Esparza.
Maria de Villalobos was the daughter of Salvador de Villalobos Macías
Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz. Many people have
confused this María with Mariana de Villalobos the daughter of Nicolás de
Villalobos Macías Valadez and Teresa Carrillo de Sandi, who doesn't even
have the Martín or Martinez surname, and married Nicolás Romo de Vivar the
son of Diego Romo de Vivar and Luisa de los Ángeles de los Reyes.

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, wrote:

> Dear fellow genealogists (amateur or professional). My name is Bernardo
> Menchaca from Monterrey (now living in Monclova, Coahuila) and am
> researching my Romo ancestors. I’m relatively new to the Nuestros

Dear Denise,

It turns out that I had studied your extended family a long time ago. A couple of distant cousins of years had contacted me asking for help in figuring out how their Romo ancestry connected with the Romo family from Aguascalientes and Jalisco. I was unable to prove the connection at that time. Many of those notes were stored away and didn't come to light until ten minutes ago when a light bulb finally turned on and I was able to connect these distant cousins of yours to you as they also descend from Manuel Romo and Maria Ignacia Rodriguez. I will try to contact your distant cousins as I do have old addresses. These Romos spread out through Coahuila and Texas.

Regards,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Denise,
Emilio Fernandez Romo was a close cousin of yours, not a very distant cousin.. The great Grandmother that you descend from is his mother's sister, this would make him your second cousin, once removed. Emilio's mother married twice. Emilio was from the first marriage.

Thanks for providing another Romo line to my book,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Bernardo,

I am very interested in the information that you provided that:

" the Somos Primos web site, el Teniente Coronel Palmerin and his wife have published information that proves that Emilio "El Indio" Fernandez was a descendant of Manuel Romo, Rafael Femat´s son"

Please send me a link or the date of the issue in somisprimos so that I can review and investigate the ancestral lines of Emilio Fernandez

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Armando,

I'm working on getting the links. It is only recently that I started doing so, being content at first to just obtain copy of the documents.

I'll be posting the info as soon as I have it ready.

Saludos,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Denise,

After reading the info matrimonial, it seems that the name of the pretensa was Justa Rafaela, not Juana Rafaela.

Saludos,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Dennise:

Great! what a find!

It would be great to find Manuel's baptism.

It seems Rafael was very unlucky, having burried many wives.

After Rafaela de Aguilar he married Joaquina de Salas (I'm looking for this info) and later Juana Maria Lopez (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15240-13052-7?cc=1804458&wc=…) and later Maria Urvana Lira.

Best regards,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Hi Primo,

I believe it was a ranch near Jerez. There is also another one named Muerto, which is near Tlaltenango and Tepechitlan. This is according to the Cubas site: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm .

Rosalinda

Joseph

I know of a site known as El Muerto in Zacatecas. Whether this is the place you're inquiring about is another question. Look at the Ranchos Archive at our NR website and find the Map dated 1776 of Tlaltenango and surrounding region. Due east of Tepechitlan you'll find El Muerto close to Ojuelos. I found this useful years ago as I had this same question prior to finding this map. I had a relative born there and baptized in Tepechitlan. I could not find the location of this site until I located this map.

Googling El Muerto will point you to another El Muerto appearing close to Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

I hope this helps.

Gus Meza

This is one of the great mysteries of nuestrosranchos that we are all stuck on. To my knowledge no one has confirmed his parents. I have seen many trees online with the information you have posted but they are not confirmed at all. Another candidate you will see on this forum is Juan's father being Matheo Vazquez de Sandoval, also unconfirmed but he at least was in the area at the time period.

To search this forum, I suggest going to google and entering:

site:nuestrosranchos.org (search terms)

You do not include the parenthesis when adding your search terms.

Welcome aboard, Michael!

There has been a lot of great research in to the Araiza line on Nuestros Ranchos. Several years ago a group of us worked on finding Juan de Araiza y Medina's will. It is in Aguascalientes, and dated 7 Aug 1664. I started out writing this message to correct you on something, but I am ending up correcting myself. This is why we all need to keep looking at the primary sources.

The testimony regarding "un lugar de la Vizcaya," (literally "someplace in Biscay") is in the Ordination paperwork for Gabriel de Araiza from 1739, (in a document that is super interesting in its own right) and that my good friend Enrique Agraz found. In it, Christobal de Araiza y Medina states that his grandfather Juan de Araiza y Medina’s place of origin was “en los Reinos de Castilla en algún lugar de la Vizcaya.” This literally means “in the Kingdom of Castile, in someplace in Biscay. “

Therefore this document says that Gabriel’s great-grandfather Juan de Araiza y Medina I was

I've seen the post you're referring to about Juan de Araiza y Medina being from Spain. I only know he was at one time a resident of Zacatecas, so I couldn't say for sure, but others may know more. As far as the use of Medina, it must've been an important ancestor. I've seen lots of instances where a compound surname included a second name that wasn't used by either of the immediate parents. Another example being Andres Martin de Sotomayor who passed on to his descendants the name Martin de Sotomayor even though he was the son of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de la Ruelas, the Sotomayor coming from somewhere in his mother's past. Something similar is probably occurring with the Araiza y Medina.

Danny C. Alonso

Denise,

It's good to see you're back doing research. Interesting leads you and our fellow members have on the el Aguila surname.

I have now done some DNA analysis, Y and autosomal. My second and third closest autosomal matches are from descendants of Rafael Romo/Femat from Coahuila, currently living in Texas. We only know of one descendant of Rafael Romo and Rafaela del Aguila, Manuel, so mitochondrial DNA won't help researching this line. In my case Rafaela del Aguila is 7 generations from me, so probably just borderline for autosomal DNA.

Have you considered DNA testing?

Regards,

BMF

Here is their marriage record:

Name Juan De La Aguila
Spouse's Name Maria Lopez De Nava
Event Date 22 Feb 1724
Event Place Nuestra Señora De Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Spouse's Father's Name Diego Lopez De Nava
Spouse's Mother's Name Teresa Sanchez
Race White
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8N8-G61 : 14 July 2015), Teresa Sanchez in entry for Juan De La Aguila and Maria Lopez De Nava, 22 Feb 1724; citing Nuestra Señora De Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,410,794.

Maria Lopez de Nava has Lope Ruiz de Esparza as one of her ancestors. To learn more about Lope Ruiz de Esparza's ancestry, see the post on him where I identify his ancestors.

Rick A. Ricci

Denise

if Maria Lopez de Nava is the same as Maria Teresa Lopez de Nava, which she probably is, here is more of her ancestors:

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/López%20de%20Nava-Family-Tree-80

Danny C. Alonso

Denise

i found a Juan del Aguila, viudo de Juana de Ocampo married to a Da Maria Lopez de Nava in 1724 in Asientos, Aguascalientes. Da Maria Lopez de Nava is the daughter of Dn Diego Lopez de Nava and Da Theresa Sanchez Altamirano:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67YS-6NV

Danny C. Alonso

In case you don’t have this one, here are the IM and marriage record of Juan Antonio Villalpando cc Josepha Flores Narvaez:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XX87-P4Q?i=63&wc=M6QX-…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67YS-CQ4?i=169&wc=M6QX…

Manny Diez Hermosillo

I can't get my email to moderator to go thru so I can start a tree and start using GEDCOM database.

I can get into the GEDCOM database and see my tree.
I can only search my tree for last names.
I get the same error message.
Lucy

Hello Arturo:

It is working for me. Can I ask how I go about uploading a tree?

Thanks,
Vanessa