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Sylvia,
If you need, in posting your information, or in organizing.  Just let
the group know.  Because, I am sure that there are many of us who can
help you out. 

If you ancestors are from  the Pinos, Zacatecas area.  I would
suggest, getting in touch with Rosario Ellis (she is a member of the
group).  I know that she has been doing research in the Pinos area.

Thanks,
Jonathan

I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM 
Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting 
one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained 
ankle.  This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended 
from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I 
have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books 
from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas 
side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family 
owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets 
throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas.  The Los Altos, side 
which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather. 

Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 /

Juan López
1979
Spanish  Book 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm.
Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.],
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Title: 	Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 /
Author(s): 	López, Juan.
Publication: 	Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.],
Year: 	1979
Description: 	108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm.
Language: 	Spanish
	SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: 	Governors -- Mexico -- Jalisco -- Biography.
Colonial administrators -- Mexico -- Biography.
Note(s): 	"Esta edición ... consta de 100 ejemplares."--p. 5.
Class Descriptors: 	LC: F1296
Responsibility: 	[Juan López].
Material Type: 	Biography (bio)
Document Type: 	Book
Entry: 	19870306
Update: 	19991208
Accession No: 	OCLC: 15278517
Database: 	WorldCat

My trip to Los Altos in 1993 was very much like yours (Mexico Jalisco, Los
Altos-Tepetitlan, Pegueros) in that I found most of the people from that
region very fair.   My wife's family is from Pegueros/Tapitatlan, Jalisco.
And of course, I stood out since I'm a moreno just like my late grandmother
from Zacatecas, Zacatecas.  The people from Tepatitlan and Pegueros were
very cordial, nice, and accommodating, to me and my wife, and my children.

Her uncle claimed their fairness can be attributed to the French influence
left by the French back in the  1860s.  But I corrected him on this.  Most
of the French troops in Mexico were not French but Germans (Hessians) that
were hire by Napoleon to fight the Mexicans. I found no German or French
names in either of the two towns.

If any of group has information on any my wife's family names, Gutierrez,
Padilla, Gonzalez, Casillas, from Los Altos, will you please share it.

Thank you.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.



-----Original Message-----
From: Guillermo Valdez [mailto:valhdez@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:31 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Book




Thanks Steven for this light you bring about Los
Altos. My first visit to Los Altos was to Atotonilco
in 1980 and I was surprised of many relatives on my
Mom's side with blue and green eyes and blonde hair.
Mostly the Abarcas. I was clear to me that the surname
was spanish, but I was misled as this was mostly of
French inheritance and I believed that for a long
time.

Recente research and conversations with some Abarcas
and Valles living here in Los Angeles made me realize
that the region was mostly inhabited by spanish
people, and some indios and mestizos, of course. But
nothing about French presence during Maximiliano's
empire in Mexico in the 1860's.

I recently had a conversation with my uncle Eliseo
Valle (he is 95 years old) and lives in Whittier. He
told me, and correct me if this is incorrect, that
some Hacienda owners in Jalisco were attacked by the
French and they moved to the Highlands running away
from them and established in the region at that time
(1860's).

Looks like you have a lot of knowledge about Los
Altos. We might even be related, my Mom's last name is
Hernández (from San José de Gracia). Can I pick your
brains? Where could I find more books about the
region. I'd like to start my study on books taking
about Los Altos, but I need some guidance. I'd really

Thanks Steven for this light you bring about Los
Altos. My first visit to Los Altos was to Atotonilco
in 1980 and I was surprised of many relatives on my
Mom's side with blue and green eyes and blonde hair.
Mostly the Abarcas. I was clear to me that the surname
was spanish, but I was misled as this was mostly of
French inheritance and I believed that for a long
time.

Recente research and conversations with some Abarcas
and Valles living here in Los Angeles made me realize
that the region was mostly inhabited by spanish
people, and some indios and mestizos, of course. But
nothing about French presence during Maximiliano's
empire in Mexico in the 1860's.

I recently had a conversation with my uncle Eliseo
Valle (he is 95 years old) and lives in Whittier. He
told me, and correct me if this is incorrect, that
some Hacienda owners in Jalisco were attacked by the
French and they moved to the Highlands running away
from them and established in the region at that time
(1860's).

Looks like you have a lot of knowledge about Los
Altos. We might even be related, my Mom's last name is
Hernández (from San José de Gracia). Can I pick your
brains? Where could I find more books about the
region. I'd like to start my study on books taking
about Los Altos, but I need some guidance. I'd really
appreciate any help.

Guillermo Valdez Hernández.
--- Pacorro73@... wrote:

> As a long time researcher of Los Altos genealogy, I
> can honestly say that in 
> reality the majority of the population of Los Altos
> is really of old Spanish 
> extraction, with the lingering possibility that they
> were crypto-Jews, hiding 
> the secret all the while.  I simply have never seen
> any evidence of Judios in 
> alteno records.  Now there were lots of indios,
> mestizos, mulatos (libres y 
> esclavos), coyotes, lobos, and the usual assortment
> of castas.  
> 
> Of the various example of actual Jewish lineage is
> that of the Ha-Levi family 
> of Burgos, whose lineage later became part of the
> Cadena, later Zaldivar and 
> On~ate lineages of Zacatecas, Nochistlan.  Another
> is that of Mariana de Vera 
> y Medina, wife of Conquistador 
> Gaspar de la Mota y Mena, and later poblador of
> Nueva Galicia around 
> Guadalajara, Jalisco.  Don~a Mariana was the
> daughter of Don Juan de Vera, a known 
> Judio converso who later became a Catholic.  Don
> Juan de Vera, was, if I remember 

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sounds really interesting. If you get it please send us the table of
contents as a scan. would love to read something like this for the
Colotlan/Santa Maria de Los Angeles area. Thanks for bringing up the
subject. . . .hopefully others will have books they would like to
recommend for their specific geographic area of study within our group
target area. You never know but as different ones bring up their
favorite books it might inspire someone to dig deeper into their history
or provoke a New Years Resolution to study areas that have been neglected.

thanks,

joseph

readysetgo95814 wrote:

I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it?

EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano.

Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de
Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as
French) origins.
Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la
Tierra), 2003

Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps
Price: 20.00
BookID: 91944


Comments?

Maria








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I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it?

EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano. 
 
 Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de 
Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as 
French) origins.
Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la 
Tierra), 2003
Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps
Price: 20.00
BookID: 91944


Comments?

Maria

Well as usual I kind of went nuts on something. I'm not suppose to be
doing this but studying for an exam coming up a week from this coming
monday, but I took a break from the books and was sort of absorbed by
this mini project.

I so often find that that I get a big time blessing when I set out to
send the group stuff and find non group related but definetly related to
me gold nuggets of information. I'm going to have to go and see how I
can get some of those books and tapes to listen to. Of course most
library's don't ILL non book items but where theres a will theres a way.

joseph

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Your family history :

how to use oral history, personal family archives, and public documents
to discover your heritage /

Allan J Lichtman
1978 1st ed.
English  Book ix, 205 p. ; 21 cm.
New York : Vintage Books, ; ISBN: 0394723325
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Title: 	Your family history :

how to use oral history, personal family archives, and public documents
to discover your heritage /

Just some of thoughts to keep in mind when interviewing relatives or
people that knew your relatives:

1) if you can ask if its okay to interview the discussion on cassette
tape. Don't make a big deal about this as some people tend to freeze up
if you stick a microphone in their face. Rather get a high quality mike
and set it between you and your relative turn it on and forget about it.
If you get resistance emphasis how important their words are for the
future generations and how it wouldn't be right to deny her/his great
great great great grandchildren the privledge of hearing their voice.

2) if you do telephone interviews then go to Radio Shack and buy a
telephone line recording system (less than $50) that lets you plug into
your phone line and tape from any phone in the house. Still ask
permission to record.

3) if you seemed to get a good session with no problems with a cassette
recorder ask if it would be okay to do video camera. I personally don't
think a video carmera is necessary for more than a session or two. But
the cassettes are a must everytime if possible.
[Oh didn't I mention that this "Oral History" thing is something that
will take many many sessions. After all you don't expect to get 30-50
years of a persons life experiences in one 1-2 hour interview, did you?
Rather if you start mining gold from beginning ask permission to have
another session in 2-3 weeks. If you get permission call them on the
phone or go for the face to face. Enjoy and learn and transcribe your
notes and on the next visit ask questions about things that might not
have been clear the first time or that provoked other areas of discussion].

4) never have the interview to ridgedly scripted, you need to leave a
lot of room for your relatives to give their history their way.

That is a great idea.  It also helps if you give them
the questions ahead of time.  It gives them time to
think about it and you get better information.  Make
sure you have a good video camera and a good mic. 
Good sound is key.  You may also want to give them old
pictures so as to help them remember.

I have found that my mother feels most confortable
talking about the family history is about the table
when she is making tamales.

good luck.


--- Pacorro73@... wrote:

> In all honesty, recording Oral History is a truly
> beautiful gift we can give 
> our future descendants.  Not only is oral history a
> significant aspect of 
> genealogy, but it is what recording family history
> is all about.  We need to 
> remember that the names that we see and research in
> our files, were those of real 
> living breathing human beings too.  Now that they
> are no longer with us, we 
> must preserve their memory, and remember who they
> were.
> 
> Although I must admit I have not yet done this, I
> have read that you should 
> prepare before you just start video taping your
> elders.  If you ask really good 
> questions, you will get really good answers.  Be
> prepared to be flexible and 
> reactive to your interviewee and sit and back and
> enjoy while listening to the 
> stories and let them reminisce and remember.  You
> will see that the past and 
> countless family stories and anecdotes, will make
> your family's history come 
> alive.  Blend your questions in lively conversation
> that allow the memories to 
> develop and branch out, but be ready to guide the
> chat back if you go off on a 
> tangent.  But on the other hand, these tangents can
> provide the most 
> interesting, fascinating, sad, glorious, happy, or
> nail-biting stories of your 
> family's past, and you'll have them recorded for
> posterity.  Imagine what kind of 
> treasure they will become to our descendant's
> descendants?  It would be like 
> having a diary of your retatarabuelo's stories
> complete with pictures.  
> 
> You know know I have to do this as soon as possible
> myself, because I only 
> have one more grandparent left.  Mi Abuelita Cruz is
> my father's mother, and 
> I've already talked and she's shared many wonderful
> stories, but now I seriously 
> have to get them down on tape.
>