Menudo and nopales?

Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo 
and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking 
book................................I'm just kidding.

By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only the red 
one. The last messages brought my attention because menudo as well as 
pozole is closely related to my family history.

You see, my mom Margarita Tapia lives in Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres, 
and she owns a restaurant where one of her specialties is menudo. 
Fonda Dona Mago, if you ever go to Zacoalco.

A generation back, her mom, my grandma Manuela Martinez, was also 
known because of the delicious menudo she made. Even today, some old 
folks refer to my mom's menudo as "el menudo de Manuela", even though 
she has been retired for more than a decade.

And this doesn't stop with my grandma, because her mother, my great-
grandmother Ambrosia Frias Aguilar, was also famous for her 
restaurant and especially for her pozole. A couple years ago, my 
mother saw an old photograph from Zacoalco's old mercado. This 
photograph belonged to someone else outside our family, but my mother 
bought it from this person because in it there's a sign that 
reads "Cenaduria Bochita". That was the name of my greatgrandmother's 
restaurant, and up until then, my family did not have any picture of 
it.

Well, it is just a comment.

About the poll, I think it shoud stay the same. I submitted my family 
tree a while back in pdf format, but I have found new ancestors, so 
I'll put an updated version of this file soon. I don't know if you 
agree, but I think pdf is a cool format if you want to show your tree 
to other people. It lists your direct ancestors, the surnames, the 
places of origin, and you can move around it with the little hand 
tool. What do you think of this format?




Menudo and nopales?

Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo 
and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking 
book................................I'm just kidding.

By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only the red 
one. The last messages brought my attention because menudo as well as 
pozole is closely related to my family history.

You see, my mom Margarita Tapia lives in Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres, 
and she owns a restaurant where one of her specialties is menudo. 
Fonda Dona Mago, if you ever go to Zacoalco.

A generation back, her mom, my grandma Manuela Martinez, was also 
known because of the delicious menudo she made. Even today, some old 
folks refer to my mom's menudo as "el menudo de Manuela", even though 
she has been retired for more than a decade.

And this doesn't stop with my grandma, because her mother, my great-
grandmother Ambrosia Frias Aguilar, was also famous for her 
restaurant and especially for her pozole. A couple years ago, my 
mother saw an old photograph from Zacoalco's old mercado. This 
photograph belonged to someone else outside our family, but my mother 
bought it from this person because in it there's a sign that 
reads "Cenaduria Bochita". That was the name of my greatgrandmother's 
restaurant, and up until then, my family did not have any picture of 
it.

Well, it is just a comment.

About the poll, I think it shoud stay the same. I submitted my family 
tree a while back in pdf format, but I have found new ancestors, so 
I'll put an updated version of this file soon. I don't know if you 
agree, but I think pdf is a cool format if you want to show your tree 
to other people. It lists your direct ancestors, the surnames, the 
places of origin, and you can move around it with the little hand 
tool. What do you think of this format?




Menudo

Okay.  Here is something I have heard my parents discuss:
Do you add patas de puerco (pig's feet) or Patas de res (beef feet) to
your menudo.  They both agree that you don't mix meats.  
In their opinion, Que asco revolver carne de puerco con res!

Well, last Friday, I had menudo with pig's feet at my inlaws for
breakfast, and I have to agree with my folks.  The menudo was good,
but the broth was kinda dark and fatty.  
My folks are from Jalisco, and my mother-in-law's family was from
Jalisco too, so it mustn't be a regional thing?  
Must be a family thing?  
So the question of the day....  do you add pig or beef feet?  
I've made menudo, and I add neither if it's my choice.  
Don't like anyone's feet in my soup!




Nopales Poll





Al Duarte wrote:


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Actually,
the Basque cook a dish like our menudo but they don't mix chile in it. 
My wife cooks a great kettle of menudo and she is from Jalisco.

that sounds like an invitation to me.


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Also,
I voted to be less strict since many of us have parents or grandparents
from different Mexican states.

the less strict part of it has nothing to do with geographical
location. This group will never evolve into a a larger geographical
location group. I really think that we are now taking in a way too
large area as it is but since we are such a small group (about 70) and
still making connections I am encouraged that we are not way way to big
in area.



the less strct part had only to do with letting people into the group
with no promise at all of providing their genealogical work thus
turning us into another Rootsweb like situation. If it turns out that
the majority want us to turn into another Rootsweb I think I might
consider turning the Moderatorship over to someone else in the group.

Interesting food discovery

My husband is from Michoacan and his mom cooks a soup that she calls morisqueta (spelling?).  At first, I thought she didn't know how to cook the rice which looked like a sticky blob that is mixed in with a chile and espinazo (to give it flavor).  When I went to West Africa, I came across a very similar dish (but it had chicken).  Further research indicated that morizqueta is also an old Spanish term for gooey rice.  Since West Africa had strong influence from the Arabs, and Arabs influenced the Spanish culture.......facinating, isn't it?

 

I have seen menudo made in Jalisco without the red sauce, which makes the Basque connection there. It is my understanding that menudo is more norteno. That too would make sense since menudo is made from beef, best suited for arid regions.  However, Jalisco is really known for its pozole, both white and red.

 

I should have been a food anthropologist (sigh)

 

Esperanza

Nopales Poll

   

well it looks like a tight race in our Poll. I still need quite a few
to vote (remember only those that have submitted their
genealogies can vote)
for this to be a valid Poll. Looks like
the "More Strict" rowdies are starting to catch up to middle of
the road "Stay the same" yahoos and have actually blasted by
the "Less Strict" Liberales. If I had known a vote would stir
the pot as much as its been stirred lately I'da had a poll every week.
. .let me see how about next week I have a poll on if its okay to talk
about Nopales some more as long as its Jalisco, Zacatecas, or
Aguascalientes Nopales that are prepared using recipes handed down from
at least a G-grandparent? Actually I'm so so so badly needing a big
plato de Menudo that I can just imagine the taste. But I can't
introduce a topic on this because my favorite Menudo was cooked by my
Mom and she came from Chihuahua along with her roots going back to
Spain. Seems to me that my dad's side [Jalisco, Zacatecas] of the
family couldn't touch Chihuahua when it comes to Menudo. But let me not
stray to far off topic just say look on for the Poll results -



here is what it looks like so far:


New poll for ranchos

Here goes my vote.  

I'm in agreement with Maria.  I don't think that Joseph expects materpieces
from all of us, but he as probably all active contributing members would
appreciate something.  

At least our family trees should be protected in a separate file
inaccessable to non-contributing Members.  As Joseph says, start with your
grandparents, and work back as far as you can.  I have found information
very easily just knowing this.    My father was born in the early 1930s, and
I found his birth record, so it really is fairly easy.  The Microfilms have
so much info.  

Also, it isn't fair to those who have contributed their family trees.  Here
are our lives like open books for individuals who haven't done the same.

Irma

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:mcortez@...]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: New poll for ranchos




I think it should be stricter.  The intent of this board is clear.  
It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their 
own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who 
want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the 
messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. 

Maria Cortez

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:05 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
>   ranchos group:
> 
>   You can only vote if you have already
>   submitted your genealogy, but even if
>   you haven't you can still influence by
>   giving your opinion via an email to the
>   group (freedom of speech).
> 
>   Question: Should the requirements for
>   being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
>   (have your genealogy in hand to submit
>   before being accepted into the group);
>   the same as now; or less Strict?
> 
>   I will not change anything unless 75% of
>   the permanent members vote and if I get
>   60% of those voting to vote for one of
>   the choices.  
> 
>     o More Strict 
>     o The Same 
>     o Less Strict 
>     o Other 
> 
> 
>   To vote, please visit the following web page:

Did You Get It?

I got
it, but couldn't reach the survey.

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From: Joseph Puentes
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Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:16
AM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Did You Get
It?


Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2
Maintenance (2)"? some did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos
group But 72 members of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13
of you all are not benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all
the information in the "Files" area of that group.

So if you didn't
get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)" email you need to contact me so I can send
you an invitation to join the Ranchos 2 group.

joseph


New poll for ranchos

I think it should be stricter.  The intent of this board is clear.  
It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their 
own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who 
want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the 
messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. 

Maria Cortez

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:05 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
>   ranchos group:
> 
>   You can only vote if you have already
>   submitted your genealogy, but even if
>   you haven't you can still influence by
>   giving your opinion via an email to the
>   group (freedom of speech).
> 
>   Question: Should the requirements for
>   being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
>   (have your genealogy in hand to submit
>   before being accepted into the group);
>   the same as now; or less Strict?
> 
>   I will not change anything unless 75% of
>   the permanent members vote and if I get
>   60% of those voting to vote for one of
>   the choices.  
> 
>     o More Strict 
>     o The Same 
>     o Less Strict 
>     o Other 
> 
> 
>   To vote, please visit the following web page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1585766 
> 
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class=190260817-29112004>Alberto.


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From: marge vallazza
[mailto:TeaCozyGran@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004
5:22 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Did You Get It?


I got it!  Marge:)


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Subject: [ranchos] Did You Get
It?



Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2
Maintenance (2)"? some did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos
group But 72 members of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13
of you all are not benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all
the information in the "Files" area of that group.

So if you didn't
get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)" email you need to contact me so I can
send you an invitation to join the Ranchos 2
group.

joseph



New poll for ranchos

I think the requirements should remain the same.

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
ranchos group:

You can only vote if you have already
submitted your genealogy, but even if
you haven't you can still influence by
giving your opinion via an email to the
group (freedom of speech).

Question: Should the requirements for
being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
(have your genealogy in hand to submit
before being accepted into the group);
the same as now; or less Strict?

I will not change anything unless 75% of
the permanent members vote and if I get
60% of those voting to vote for one of
the choices. 

  o More Strict
  o The Same
  o Less Strict
  o Other


To vote, please visit the following web page:

href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1585766">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1585766


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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New poll for ranchos

My opinion is to be more strict. 

 

Maria-Elena Gutierrez


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Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:05
PM

Subject: [ranchos] New poll for
ranchos




Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been
created for the
ranchos group:

You can only vote if you have
already
submitted your genealogy, but even if
you haven't you can still
influence by
giving your opinion via an email to the
group (freedom of
speech).

Question: Should the requirements for
being a member of
Ranchos be More Strict
(have your genealogy in hand to submit
before
being accepted into the group);
the same as now; or less Strict?

I
will not change anything unless 75% of
the permanent members vote and if I
get
60% of those voting to vote for one of
the choices. 


  o More Strict
  o The Same
  o Less Strict

  o Other


To vote, please visit the following web
page:

href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1585766">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1585766



Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not
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web site
listed above.

Thanks!









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I got it!  Marge:)


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AM

Subject: [ranchos] Did You Get It?



Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2 Maintenance
(2)"? some did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos group But 72
members of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13 of you all are
not benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all the information
in the "Files" area of that group.

So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2
Maintenance (2)" email you need to contact me so I can send you an invitation
to join the Ranchos 2 group.

joseph


HTG/Reminder

Perdon. I'm one of the foot draggers you've just describe. My apologies and request that you keep me connected until I can manage things a little better. I read all that comes across, always looking for a connection, so this exercise is not anyones waste of time. I want to fully describe what I have so far but may not be free to do so until after the holidays. I hope that's OK?/Adelante    

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<br>
Irma sent me a Happy Thanksgiving note and greeting, well I'm a Turkey
boy as on some years my birthday falls right on Thanksgiving but not
this year. Well enough of that, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, happy
birthday to me, and bear with me as I start to sharpen my Axe for the
holidays.<br>
 <br>
. . . .Sorry to be so blunt but this group is not a free ride for
anyone. [mind you its almost free as in some communication will
definitely buy you a by]. . .enough of the riddles. . . .<br>
                 . . .if you haven't submitted your genealogy <b><big>[as
in never ever]</big></b> you need to communicate with me as to when you
are going to send it. When you send it to me I'll make up a file in the
non public files with your name, email address, and geographical
locations that includes your submission. <u><b>If you are not ready
fine, just communicate with me</b></u>. How about we establish an
ultimate deadline of April 15th [Maybe those that need to give to the
Feds will not feel bad about giving a little more in the form of their
absent genealogy submission]. <br>
<br>
<big><big><b><big>What I'll expect:</big></b></big></big><br>
    1) your genealogy in .rtf or .doc format preferably as a genealogy
report but it could be submitted in an email<br>
<br>
    2) or communication with me via a private email explaining why you

Did You Get It?

Received and hope to comply once I drain the swamp a lijttle morfe./Adelante

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Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)"? some
did
some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos group But 72 members of
the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13 of you all are not
benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all the
information in the "Files" area of that group. <br>
<br>
So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)" email you need to
contact me so I can send you an invitation to join the Ranchos 2 group.<br>
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joseph<br>


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Did You Get It?




Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)"? some
did
some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos group But 72 members of
the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13 of you all are not
benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all the
information in the "Files" area of that group.



So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)" email you need to
contact me so I can send you an invitation to join the Ranchos 2 group.



joseph

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