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Race on census and other forms

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Piggy-backing on the conversation about who's Latino, I was wondering what people mark for race on census and other forms.

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Over the years I have been labeled white, Chicano Mexican/American Latino.
There is one label that I don't like and won't choose, though it is often chosen for me.
I do not like Hispanic. Never have, never will. I guess that it is because it a word that is not said with pride. It sounds too much like spic. I was called this too many times as a kid by racists.

I am Mexican and American and proud to be both.

As to race, I have a few. Before working on genealogy, I thought that I would find about half indian ancestors and about half European ancestors. I was surprised to find that the mix was different than what I expected. From one grandparent I traced only white ancestors. From another grandparent I found over 90% confirmed white with only a few percentages of confirmed indian. With the other two grandparents, not married to each other, I again found the majority to be white but both descended from the same mulato labeled as such in the early 1700s. I do believe this

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Race on census and other

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I have checked all the boxes that I thought applied: Mexican, White Latino, Native American (Native American nation: Mexican).
Victoriano Navarro

Who is considered to be Latino

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I came across this posting on the National Catholic Reporter web site and thought I would seek out the opinions of the Nuestros Ranchos members.

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Who is considered to be

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This is the RAE definition:
latino, na.
7. adj. Natural de los pueblos de Europa y América en que se hablan lenguas derivadas del latín.
8. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a esos mismos pueblos. Los emperadores latinos de Constantinopla. Los países latinos de América.

And I agree, for me a Latino is anybody who speaks a language derived from Latin mainly Spanish and Portuguese, but also French, Italian, etc., regardless of ethnicity. "Música latina" may include Spanish rumbas.

If you want to limit the definition to our continent and exclude Europe, then you have to use the term Latinoamericano.

Same for the difference between Hispano and Hispanoamericano.

Regards from México, Latinoamérica.
Victoriano Navarro

Who's Latino?

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I'd say that anyone with roots in Latin America is Latino. I don't consider Spaniards to be Latino, but Brazilians are.

I personally identify myself (in preferred order) as Chicana, Xicana (when I want to really be badass), Mexican-American, Latina. I do not use the word Hispanic because I think it's a name given to us by white bureaucrats. When I see the word, I tend to read it as "His panic" (which we are), so it doesn't bother me too much. :)

As for the Native American thing and Junipero Serra, I don't think he should be canonized. The Spanish were pretty brutal in their treatment of the Natives, and forced hard labor may not be slavery, but I think that's splitting hairs.

Laura

Who is considered to be

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Here in the USA and lately (thanks to the media) in other countries the word Latino refers to anyone with a spanish speaking culture ancestry but except the Eurpeans and Asians, thus neither Spanish or Philipines are considered Latinos, under the USA concept that is. As a person that born and grew up in Mexico, I always use Hispanic, simply because Latino makes me think of Rome. Then I guess neither the common use of the word nor me would considered Junipero a Latino (although he likely knew Latin) he was as far as I am concern Spanish :).

Regarding His role in the Missions and the impact that produced on the Natives, is difficult to tell at what extent he was or he wasn't good to them. The common belief in Mexican and thus California Spanish history is that All natives were abused by All Spanish. Far from reality, for example I still yet to come across to more than ten records mentioning Natives as slaves, (not that I have look into all records of all times) hard labor and slavery is

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Help reading baptismal cert

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Hi,

I'm trying to figure if only padrinos are listed, or grandparents as well. Bottom left side, Marquez twins. Thanks!

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Help reading baptismal cert

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I agree, only padrinos are listed, each of them with their own.
Victoriano Navarro

Only padrinos are listed in this file

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Only padrinos are mentioned in this file.
I made a correction an the baptism date and calculate the birth day (16 days before).

Onfre de Soto = Cayetana de Estrada

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I am seeking information about my maternal 7 great grandparents, Onfre de Soto married to Cayetana de Estrada. Onfre was baptised 21 Feb 1683 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, MX.

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Onofre de Soto and Cayetana

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Paul, Daniel,

Thank you for the information. I am also a descendant of Onofre and Cayetana. Have you been able to identify their parents and grandparents? Any information and source citations about their ascendants would be very appreciated. Thank you.

Alma Rosales
arosales705@gmail.com

Onfre de Soto = Cayetana de Estrada

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Hi Paul, I hope this helps, Ive worked on this line a bit
in the baptism of Juan de San Pedro, Cayetana is listed
as Cayetana de Ruvalcaba (prob. Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba)
on the others she is Cayetana de Estrada.

Regards,
Daniel

Father: Onofre Soto, Mother: Cayetana
Exact Spelling: Off Matches:All Sources - 3International Genealogical Index - Mexico1. Manuel Lauriano De Soto De Estrada - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 26 APR 1714 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
2. Julian Antonio De Soto De Estrada - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 15 MAY 1712 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
3. JUAN DE SAN PEDRO NOLASCO SOTO - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1722 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, MexicoTo learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

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Education

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I located a marriage document (1891) with the groom's signature, which makes me curious about any formal and informal educational opportunities during that time period, and how they may have varied by

Website pictures of Panteon of Monte Escobedo (Panteon Antiguo? or the Present Panteon?)

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I found this website with pictures of a panteon of Monte Escobedo. Looks old and made out of cantera:

http://labestad.reduaz.mx/web/turismo/patrimonew/galeria.php?donde=031…

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Website pictures of Panteon

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This is a picture of the original capilla of San Diego De Alcala of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/15ote8o.jpg

It still exists today. The Parroquia of San Diego De Alcala is a much bigger building that is next to the Plaza and Presidencia offices of Huejuquilla El Alto.

Which is this one:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2nbwtxi.jpg

And this is another church called the Sanctuario De Divino Preso which is down the street from the Parroquia De San Diego:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2hs2lj9.jpg

In front of the Sanctuario De Divino Preso Church there are two gardens in front of the door (atrio) which are surrounded by a small fence. I believe there are some tombs there, but I think they are of past priests. Not sure. There could have been more tombs in that area in the past.

Website pictures of Panteon

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Looking at the Monte Escobedo Government website. Now I see there are 8 panteones:

http://www.monteescobedo.gob.mx/archivos/1405007819.pdf

http://oi57.tinypic.com/j6lyyw.jpg

Starting to look like that if I want to locate where my ancestors were buried that were in the generation of 1600's or 1700's, it may be in the atrio of the Iglesias before they started buring them in cemetaries away from the Church.

I am getting more of an idea how a panteon at the atrio of an iglesia looks like. This youtube video is one in the open court in front of the Church. The Panteon of the Atrio of Iglesia San Juan Evangelista, Jalisco, Mexico which says are the tombs dating back to 1617!!!!! I guess because back then the population was small:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns21o30xwD4

I am going to have to pay more attention to the atrios of the churchs where my ancestors were recorded at.

Website pictures of Panteon

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I was just told by someone who is a well known historian of Zacatecas and lives over there. He told me that:

"Las personas seeneterraban en los templos, y los cementerios fuera del pueblo fue hasta el año de 1810 en eadelante. no creo que sea pánteon antiguo el de Monte Escobedo o Laguan Grande."

So then in the early days, people were buried at the churches. People didn't start getting buried in the cementaries away from the pueblos until the year 1810.

Good now I know where to look for the my ancestors prior to 1800's

Website pictures of Panteon

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What about the poor folks? Where were they buried?
On Mar 18, 2015 9:17 PM, wrote:

> I was just told by someone who is a well known historian of Zacatecas and
> lives over there. He told me that: "Las personas seeneterraban en los
> templos, y los cementerios fuera del pueblo fue hasta el año de 1810 en
> eadelante. no creo que sea pánteon antiguo el de Monte Escobedo o Laguan
> Grande." So then in the early days, people were buried at the churches.
> People didn't start getting buried in the cementaries away from the pueblos
> until the year 1810. Good now I know where to look for the my ancestors
> prior
> to 1800's
>

Monte Escobedo Cementery

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Thats right ab 1870 some priest of Monte Escobedo put the bodys in the old cementery because a lot of people died in that time . My 8th grandfather Cap. Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos y Haro (1643-1728) was buried besides the holy water according his will but nobody knows if the bodys inside the church were put in the old cementery. Thats the version of Lauro Marquez Sanchez the priest of Monte Escobedo who built the church of Monte Escobedo.

Help with another bapt cert

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Hi,

Right side, one of the two really really faded entries is for a Joseph Marquez, 21 Feb 1729. Can anyone see anything? :(

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Help with birth certificate

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Although it seems like there are a heck of a lot of padrinos, I see no mention of abuelos

Help with another bapt cert

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Parts that I can see (after tweaking the image)

"...en la capilla del Cabezon...puse los oleos y christmas a Joseph Manuel de dos dias... ...Juo. Marquez y de G... Arriola... padrinos... M...

Now the entry for the record in the index shows the names as Joseph Manuel Marquez son of Juan Anttonio Marquez and Gertrudis Anna Brigida, this names where likely indexed when the film was taken and thus they could see a slightly better image than this scans. I personally don't think it says Anttonio for the father, but can't really tell, and for the mother the name Arriola is clear after some brightness/contrast adjustments. The name/surname of the godfather is not clear or obvious to me, but definitely starts with a M, could it be Miranda? or Ma. can't figure it out.

By the way nice to see some research on my hometown!.

Introduction WITH links...

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When I sent my introduction yesterday, I forgot to include the link to my
folder.

how are juan garcia and pioquinta vanegas related?

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-10955-24?cc=1874591&wc…

i read this document and i'm not clear as to how these two are related

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Re: how are juan garcia and pioquinta vanegas related?

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As far as I can tell, they’re not related; the pretenso had “Ilicito comercio” with a 1st cousin of the pretensa - he used to date her cousin.

Re: how are juan garcia and pioquinta vanegas related?

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ok just wanted to be sure since this guy is a brother of an ancestor of mines and i wanted to see if this could help break past some brick walls on that side of the familiy tree

Marquez From Zacatecas

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My granpa told me that there are marquez from zacatecas in el Carrizal jalisco-

I have two death ends in my tree

Matrimony in El Carrizal Jalisco.
Eulalio Marquez

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Re Marquez from Colotlan ,Jal

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Julio Marquez & Teodosia Placencia hijo (el carrizal, Colotlan, Jal. mex.)
1) Eulalio Marquez Placencia & Carlota Leaños Marquez (hija de Bruno y Josefa) hijo
1 1) Gregoria Marquez Leaños (May 23 y Jun 2 1906)(film 200)
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Ma Dominga Marquez Marquez (bapt May 17 1800 ) – (hija de J Gregorio Marquez Martinez 1770 – &Catharina de Sena Marquez Martinez

Ma Dominga Marquez Ventura ( Apr 11 y 15 1809) hija de Christobal Marquez & Juana Chrisostoma Carlos hijos ¿?????? (Guacaxco)

JUAN AUGUSTIN MARQUEZ & Juana de Avalos Gonzalez ( Nov 23 1698 - + Apr 21 1860) (hija de Diego y Elvira) hija (Sauz de los Marquez, Sta Ma., Jal., Mex.)
Juana Dominga Marquez Abalos & Juan de Santiago Serrano hijo (Tlaltenango)
11 1) Pedro Joseph Serrano Marquez ( Feb 25 1751) & Juana Ma Susana Marquez, They

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Marquez from Colotlan

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Hi,

I have some Marquez from Huejucar and Colotlan.

Jose Marquez & Margarita Barragan (Huejucar)
Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez (1760)(Colotlan)
Juana Maria Polonia Marquez (1760)
Maria Petra Marquez (1763)

Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez (1760) & Nasaria Villegas
Maria Margarita Marquz (1814)

Maria Margarita Marquz & Toribio Galvan (1802)

Have you come across any of these people? Any common ancestors?

Thanks,
Laura Gonzalez

MARQUEZ & BARRAGAN FAMILY FROM STA MA., JAL.

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Joseph Marquez & Margarita Barragan hijos (del Sauz de los Marquez, Santa Maria, Jal.)
1) Juan Climaco Marquez Barragan (Apr 3 1743)
2) Antonio Polonio Marquez Barragan (oo Nov 20 1788) & Ma Nazaria Villegas (hija de Pedro y de Ma Antonieta) hijo
2 1) Timoteo Marquez Villegas (oo May 28 1828) & Ma Agapita Marquez Gomez (hija de Leocadio)
3) Gerardo del Carmen Marquez Barragan (Oct 12 y 28 1751*)(imagen 326) (oo May 26 1785) & Ma Encarnacion Sotela Carrillo del Prado (hija de Bernardo y Margarita). Hijo (*padrinos de bautizo Phelipe Marquez Ledezma & Margarita Barragan)
3 1) Martin Marquez Carrillo & Barbara Jara Pinedo hijo
3 1 1) Domingo G Marquez Jara (Aug 3 y 8 1840)(image 75)
4) Jose Fco Marquez Barragan (oo Nov 12 1791) & Ma Ygnacia de Aro Lugan , (hija de Segundo y de Ma de la Candelaria) hijo
4 1) Lino Marquez Aro (oo May 26 1832) & Ma Margarita Carrillo Marquez. (hija de Pablo y Ma Apolonia)
5) Micaela Marquez Barragan (Sep 27 y 11 Oct 1744)
6) Thoribio

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your ancestors Marquez line

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Please send me feed back from your ancestors Marquez line
thank you

FW: Who was the Roman Emperor Trajan?

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From: Angel R.

Marquez, Haro y Huizar en Colotlan

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Just came across this blog, Colotlan en Llamas, which mentions these families. En español.

Laura

Help with Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR Values from DNA experts at Nuestros Ranchos

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I just received the Family tree Y DNA results from my Uncle's DNA test. Of the 58 values on his Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR he matches 51 exactly with another person the other 7 are:

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I am not an expert, but I have some experience with these tests. I think 7/58 differences is a lot, but there may have been 3 mutations on one branch and 4 on the other over those nine generations.
I don't think the results confirm the connection, but given the records, I would say the results suggest the connection.

Check out Gary Felix's Mexican DNA page:
http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index63.htm
It may take a while to open, but at the very end you can see the section of Y-DNA founders, with examples of families with a common ancestor probaly 8-12 generations away. Some of the branches have at most 3-4 differences, not 7.

I think in order to confirm the connection, you need to compare with more samples from other branches of the family and see if you both separately are a better match to the new samples. Also, how come you tested for 58 markers? I thought FTDNA went from 37 to 67. Did the other family just tested for 58?

In my family one of our samples has 3 differences with

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Help with Y-DNA - Standard

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Thanks Victoriano, I will check out that website. The results came this morning and I'm still trying to figure them out. The test is a Y67 and when I compare it to other Y67 tests they all only have 58 values in the Y-DNA STR markers, which is just another indication that I have a lot to learn about how to read these DNA tests.

DNA company

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What company did you order your DNA test from? What were the costs? Both my parents did a DNA test through Ancestry.com, but it only shows where they came from. I don't believe they received the actual codes/raw data.

Thanks.

Marty

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Marty,

The only company you can order a Y-DNA STR test from is from FamilyTreeDNA. It is cheaper if you get it through a DNA project such as https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=NuevaGaliciaDNA

Ancestry.com doesn't even do Y-DNA SNP testing. 23andme does limited SNP testing so at least the right haplogroup is determined with them but they don't do STR testing either.

Help with Y-DNA - Standard

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rmcneal103, you actually have 67 markers but some of them are grouped under one STR name such as DYS464 and YCAII.

If you go to https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-matches.aspx it will tell you if you match anyone at 67 markers and if so how many markers are different under the Genetic Difference column. Generally speaking, if you match others with the same surname you can ask them to share a tree if they don't have one posted to determine if there is a high likelihood of a common ancestor in the past 15 generations. If you match people with a different surname there could have been an NPE (non-paternal event) meaning an ancestor in the direct paternal line is unknown in either or both trees or there was a convergence of STR markers making you look like there is a common ancestor in the past 15 generations. STR markers change randomly but normally it takes several generations for a single STR marker change. I have see both extremes where there were multiple STR changes in a single

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Thanks, Armando I appreciate your knowledge and patience. The match shows up on his 67 marker and 12 marker match but not at all on 25 or 37.

Help with Y-DNA - Standard

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rmcneal103, the reason that the 67 marker match doesn't show up at 25 and 37 markers is because not enough STR markers match at those levels. 12 marker matches that have had a 67 marker test but don't match at 67 markers are extremely unlikely to be from a common ancestor in the past 15 generations even if they have the same surname.

At 12 markers they show matches up to a difference of 1 marker.
At 25 markers they show matches up to a difference of 2 markers.
At 37 markers they show matches up to a difference of 4 markers.
At 67 markers they show matches up to a difference of 7 markers.
At 111 markers they show matches up to a difference of 10 markers.

If your uncle's 67 marker matches have had a 111 marker test you can get one for your uncle too to see if they still match at 111 markers. If they do then there is a higher likelihood of a recent common ancestor. If they haven't had a 111 marker test you can ask them to get one if you are willing to get one for your uncle.

General Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3

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Delia, I’m Mary Anne Pentis and I have had both FAMILY TREE mtDNA done with them and also with ANCESTRY DNA. I recommend starting with FAMILY TREE as it should give results you want.

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[Attencion Mary Anne Pentis-Nicolas Espinosa

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Hello Mary , if Nicolas Espinosa is your ancestor ,is his wife Josefa de La Cruz ? Are Nicolas Espinosas parents -
Parents- Jose Gomez de Portugal and Maria de Espinosa
Grandparents -Pedro Gomez de Portugal and Isabel Ortiz-Parada
GreatGrand Parents- Juan Diego Gomez de Portugal and Maria Garcia de Arrona
Well then you are related to me because Juan Diego Gomez de Portugal And Maria Garcia de Arrona are my Ancestors.
I believe I am related to a whole lot of people in New Mexico because of this line and of Jose Vasquez de lara and Maria Magdalena Baca line
Your Opinion
Ronnie- possible Cousin.
> From: mapentis@gmail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 22:07:09 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3
>
>
> Delia, I’m Mary Anne Pentis and I have had both FAMILY TREE mtDNA done with them and also with ANCESTRY DNA. I recommend starting with FAMILY TREE as it should give results you want. You may then “add” more detail

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Puesta

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What exactly is a Puesta? Is it just a non-specific place or is it more specific than that? Is it like a small village? Is it considered temporary or permanent?

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Puesto

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Se dice y se escribe "puesto". Es más pequeño que una Labor, un Rancho o una Hacienda. Ciertamente mucho menos grande que un Pueblo, una Villa o una Ciudad.

Puesta

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In the records I've seen is the old word for "Pueblo"(town), usually spelled "Puesto" but also seen as Puesta. Even if intended to describe a specific volume of settlers I've always see it to name anything from small congregation to well developed villages. My thinking is just a generic way of naming a place when there was no known (a least to the scribe) or established descriptor. e.g. "Puesto de los Aguacates" instead of "Lavor de los Aguacates".

DNA tests recommendations

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My name is Delia Dominguez Duran. I am a member of Nuestros Ranchos as l have attempted to discover my ancestral roots.

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I'm interested in familytree DNA's ydna test, but unsure how many markers to purchase. Does anyone have any experience/recommendation with this test?

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For a Y-DNA test the minimum number of STR markers you should get tested are Y-DNA37 and if you can get a Y-DNA67 marker test that's even better since sometimes people separated by 10 generations won't match at 37 markers but they will at 67 markers.

The tests are cheaper if you order through a DNA project such as the Nueva Galicia DNA project. https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=NuevaGaliciaDNA

DNA tests recommendations

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wow, ydna and mtdna tests are still so expensive

DNA tests recommendations

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I agree with Armando, for Y-DNA I would recommend testing 67 or 37 markers (preferably 67). Older tests of 12 or 25 may give too many matches that don't end up being close ones with the 67 test, and the 111 marker test may be more than needed, especially if you don't have too many 67-level matches.

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yeah test with either ancestry or my23andme(never tried 23andme but i heard good things about). i don't like ftdna. i transfered my mom's ancestrydna results to that website the the native and east asian percentages were weird and didn't match gedmatch or ancestry's percentage of those two.

so i;m not gonna bother transfering my aunt and grandpa's dna to that site.

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I used FamilyTreeDNA and was happy with the results.

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I too used FTDNA for my mother's mtDNA (haplogroup C, Native American, Pre-Columbian). She is New Mexican Pueblo Indian (Piro-Manso-Tewa) with some Spanish ancestors. I only had the funds for the basic 12, but they have linked me up with other descendants in New Mexico. My husband, whose ancestors were from Jalisco turned out Haplogroup T1 Mesopotamian. FTDNA has found only one descendant in Texas who has not responded to my e-mails.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: joan@sullivangroup.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 15:51:13 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA tests recommendations
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> I used FamilyTreeDNA and was happy with the results.
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The main reason I say 23andme is better is because I have seen the results of people and my own family members that have used multiple companies such as 23andme, FamilyTreeDNA, Ancestry, and National Geographic Geno 2.0 and I have also seen the results when uploaded to www.gedmatch.com FamilyTreeDNA always under reports the Native American compared to the other companies. In order for you to see the difference of a 100% Native American in Gedmatch and FamilyTreeDNA compare the two following two pages of the Clovis Anzick child and click on the images.

http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/clovis-anzick-ethnic-makeup-in-ftdna.html

http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/new-clovis-anzick-1-kit-in-gedmatch.html

You will clearly see that too much of his Native American ancestry is assigned to Northeast Asian and Siberia. So that makes him look like 68% Native American instead of the 91.68% that he is assigned at Gedmatch. This happens with almost all Latin Americans. Almost all of us have at least a small

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I did my with 23 and me for 100 USD. They give you more information and
they use the new v4 chip. You can trasfer the information to
familytredna.com and you can enter the surname projects.

I have found 4 people that share the same territory and surnames as my
family tree.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Emilie Garcia
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> I too used FTDNA for my mother's mtDNA (haplogroup C, Native American,
> Pre-Columbian). She is New Mexican Pueblo Indian (Piro-Manso-Tewa) with
> some Spanish ancestors. I only had the funds for the basic 12, but they
> have linked me up with other descendants in New Mexico. My husband, whose
> ancestors were from Jalisco turned out Haplogroup T1 Mesopotamian. FTDNA
> has found only one descendant in Texas who has not responded to my e-mails.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: joan@sullivangroup.org
> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 15:51:13 -0700
> > Subject: Re:

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23andme v2 and v4 files cannot be transferred to FamilyTreeDNA. Only the 23andme v3 file can be transferred. The Ancestry.com autosomal DNA file can be transferred.

https://www.familytreedna.com/AutosomalTransfer

We only accept the 23andMe V3 chip that was used on tests sold between November 2010 and approximately November 2013. There are a couple of ways to find out what chip was used for your test other than simply the timeframe. One is size; v3 chip files are about 7.83 MB where V2 and V4 chips are smaller. If you’re tech savvy, you can unzip the file and check chromosomes: Chromosome 1 for v3 starts at 82154 (rs4477212) where v4 starts at 734462 (rs12564807)and v2 starts with position 742429 (rs3094315).
http://dna-explained.com/2014/10/19/family-tree-dna-announces-free-auto…

I agree that 23andme gives more information and more detailed information than FamilyTreeDNA. When possible getting the autosomal tests at all three companies is the

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I have used and recommend Geno2.0 by National Geographic and FamilyFinder by FamilytreeDNA. The first one gives you mtDNA, Y-DNA (for males) and Neanderthal estimate on the same test, the second one lets you compare your sample with other people.
Regards,
VN

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Hello Delia,

23andme is the best test to determine your ethnicities. It's much more accurate overall than the other companies.

DNA

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I also used 23 and Me and was very satisfied but I would recommend if you have a brother to have him take the test too since you can only have the MTDNA test and that's mother to daughter only. I had my brother and my mothers brother both do the test so I got my MTDNA group A, native american,
my Dads surname Castanon haplogroup RIBI and my mother's paternal line surname Gutierrez haplogroup N.
good luck in your search.
Linda Castanon-Long

Self Introduction

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First of all an apology to the Admins and members of the group I forgot all about Self introduction .

Interesting video about Documentary on Zorro, Inquisition Archives of 17th Century Mexico

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I am watching a documentary about Zorro and it talks about a write in Mexico named Vicente Riva Palacio.

Looking for some information on this Branch of the Luevano Family

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I started researching my wife's Paternal side and it looks like I have hit the Brick wall already this is where I'm stuck

Felipe De Luevana y Maria Teresa Espinoza I found these names on one of his son's Marriage

Felipe De Jesus Luevana y Maria Micaela De Jesus Gonzalez married on Dec 28 1774 the record was found on The records of Maria De Asuncion Aguascalientes 1772-1777 image # 160 if anyone outhere has any clue about Felipe and Maria Teresa please let me know .

Thanks!

FW: additional Huizar information

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From: beutelsp@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: additional info for Tom Huizar, message 1 from Sep 20 2013
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:05:54 +0000

Enhanced genealogy info for TOM HUIZAR (me

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Huizares from Zacatecas

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All of you are undoubtedly related to the Los Angeles City Council Member Jose Huizar, who was born in Los Morales, Jerez, Zacatecas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Huizar

FW: additional Huizar information

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Dr. Moises I also descend from Huizars from San Luis Colotlan dating back to 1820 from the family of Julian Huizar and Catarina Fernandez, some of children were born in San Luis Colotlan and others in Atolinga I wonder if this family is connected to yours.

Thank you very much, Anna Arellano Smith

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From: Dr moisés Beutelspacher
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: additional Huizar information

From: beutelsp@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: additional info for Tom Huizar, message 1 from Sep 20 2013
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:05:54 +0000

Enhanced genealogy info for TOM HUIZAR (message 1 from Sep 20 2013)

MIGUEL (ANGEL) DE HUIZAR y DIONISIA CARRILLOHijos1. JOSE
DAMIAN HUIZAR CARRILLO (Oct 7 1791 in Agua Gorda) (bapt Oct 12 1791 in Colotlan) (acta)2. JOSE
SILVAN HUIZAR CARRILLO (Jul 10 1789 in Cartagena ) (bapt Jul 18 1789
in Colotlan) (acta)SILVIANO

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to anaareluna reply about family Huizar from Atolinga, Zac.

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anaareluna

Sorry for the delated reply, but i did´nt geht this info until now

the only info i´ve about yur family is:

Julian Huizar & Catarina Fernandez hijo ( Atolinga, Tlaltenango, Zac ).
Je. Yrineo Huizar Fernandez (bapt. 14 abril 1836 )
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i have a lot of Huizar families lose files and i need more info to find the ties between your family and my files, please if you are interested give me feed back, and i promise to try trace your family branch.
regards
Dr Moises Beutelspacher Huizar (beutelsp@hotail.com

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That's incredible Moises, the information you supplied has uncovered so many unknowns. Thank you for the info. I really enjoy this website, it's helped me tremendously. As soon as I figure out how to put everything together properly, I should be able to help others as well.

Thanks again.

Tom Huizar

busco informacion de Huizar en Zacatecas

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Hola!!

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Huizar Amaro info

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Abundio Huizar & Francisca Rojas hijos ( Abrego, Fresnillo, Zac )
1) Cecilia Huizar Rojas ( 1890 ) (oo Feb 22 1906) & Cesareo Jimenez Lujan , hijo de Longinos Jimenez, & Marcela Lujan
2) Eleuterio Huizar Rojas (Mar 1 1891) & Eulogia Amaro Solís ( hija de Angel Amaro y Tiburcia

espero que algo te sirva esta info

huizar en zacatecas

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Marto Huizar era de El Jerez Zacatecas, era un arriero y fue contratado por la familia Amaro para trasladar a varias mujeres a otro estado ya que varios hombres de la familia Amaro se habian unido al ejercito constitucionalista y ellas temian por su vida pues los revolucionarios degollaron a un matromionio hacendado familiares de ellos y los cazaban por ser familiares de personas involucradas en el ejercito consitucionalista que lo que queria era que les regresaran sus tierras. Las llevo hasta Sinaloa y luego a Durango donde se establecieron y su esposa murio en el camino asi que despues se caso con una de las mujeres que lo contrataron y se quedaron en durango. Ojala alguien sepa algo y me pase info quisiera un segundo nombre o apellido para poder buscar informacion sobre el para avanzar en mi arbol genealogico.
barbara melendez

Which "Indio Tribe" are people from Mezquitic or Zacatecas area during Colonial times?

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I have a question to ask? When I have been researching our ancestors in the LDS archives for the Mezquitic area of Jalisco, Mexico. And ran across people stated as "indio" which indio tribe?

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Which "Indio Tribe" are

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I am fairly certain that the indigenous ethnic group in the area of Mezquitic at the time of the conquest were Tepehuanes (Tepecanos). The Wixarrika (Huicholes) came as refugees during the Chichimeca wars and took over some of the remote villages of the Tepehuanes and absorbed some of their culture. Most of the Tepehuan communities in Northern Jalisco were assimilated into the Mestizo population soon after independence and the end of the separate legal treatment of their communities and lands. There are some communities that still survive further north in Durango.

Which "Indio Tribe" are

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where did you find that info arturo? I'm asking to see if that source names the tribes living the jerez/ tepetongo/ huejucar/colotlan vincinity.

INDIGENOUS JALISCO

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Houston Institute for Culture

SIXTEENTH CENTURY INDIGENOUS JALISCO
By John P. Schmal

the link below will take you to an interesting article on the indigenous people of Jalisco

http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/jalisco_indig.html

Which "Indio Tribe" are

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I wonder if the location or village name provided in the left margin of baptisms might be a clue to use with historical documents or linguistic research. This was done in the missionized areas of California after mission baptisms, marriages and burials were entered into a database. A researcher (Randall Milliken) was able to map the indigenous rancherias and associate them with language families and cultural affinity, even the many tribes that had vanished. Mexico is earlier, bigger and a lot different but it wouldn't surprise me if some historians might be working on it.

Which "Indio Tribe" are

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well you can't from the records in most cases since the records rarely specify, and during/after the conquest many family and tribal units were torn apart/split up.

Ana Ortiz de San Pedro

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Hello,

I'm looking for any information about Ana Ortiz de San Pedro wife of Mateo Rio de la Loza en Jerez, Zacatecas. ( I don't have the name of Ana's parents)

Thanks

Susana

Hola,

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Ana Ortiz

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here's the website where you'll find the answer thanks to Erlinda Castanon-Long's Tree:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mex…

Joseph de Leon

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Joseph,

Thank you so much for the information. The family tree gave me the Ana's death and her first marriage. But I still don't know the name of her parents.

Thanks you so much again

Greetings from Seattle

susana

Ana Ortiz

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You are welcome! I noticed the https address for Ana's death and I logged onto it.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15068-61369-18?cc=1804458&wc…

Big surprise, on the same page I noticed my 7th GGF Jose Martinez Barragan's death image record!

Joseph de Leon

Ana Ortiz

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Hello Joseph,

Thank you so much for the image of Ana's Death. I noticed that she made a will with "Joseph Carrillo". (The same thing did Joseph de Barragan on the same page). Please let me know if you find those wills. I already searched for them in Archivo de la Real Audiencia (Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco- online database for "Bienes Difuntos") without any luck.

Thank you so much again. I will keep you posted if I find anything

Susana

Ana Ortiz mother's surname

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What I did notice in Ana's death image photo was that it stated her mother's surname: RODRIGUES FLORiS

in Ana's full name.

Joseph de Leon

Ana Ortiz

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Hi Joseph,

I saw the record. I think in the record her surname is Ana Rodrigues Hortis de San Pedro. The "Rodrigues" is new information. I'm very interested in Ana, I just received my Mitochondrial DNA (that happens to be Ana's), I'm a female- female.... descendant of Ana, to my surprise I'm haplogroup B4'5 (native). Then I think Ana's mother or grand-mother or great-grandmother will be "Indian". I can't wait to find her.

Thank you again for all your help

susana

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Joseph, that says Rodriguez Hortis.. check it again.
Linda

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Estoy usando el programa de My Heritage para crear mi arbol genealogico, muy facil de trabajar con el programa, facil de entender y agregar fotos o archivos de la familia.

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