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Hola,
Soy Patricia Haro Vergara, he estado un poco de investigación genealógica de
mi familia,navegando encontré esta página y me parecio fabuloso que la mayor
parte de ustedes, aun estando en otro pais, han logrado rastear sus raices
hasta lo mas profundo de nuestra tierra y recurro a ustedes para ver si me
pueden ayudar, especialmente del lado materno, mi madre Luz Georgina Vergara
Medina era originaria de Guadalajara, sus padres:
Adolfo Vergara Rodriguez (1898)y Luz Medina Gonzalez Guerra (3 de abril de
1900) son originarios de Zapotlan el Grande (Cd. Guzman), Jal
Esta es toda la información que he conseguido

*Árbol: José Dolores Vergara*

José Dolores Vergaracasado
con María
del Pilar Rodríguez

Ciudad Guzman,Jalisco.

Tuvo por hijos:

Rafael Vergara Rodríguez
,Ricardo Vergara
Rodríguez
,Manuel Vergara
Rodríguez
,Salvador Vergara
Rodríguez,
Pilar Vergara Rodríguez
,Dolores Vergara
Rodríguez
,José Vergara Rodríguez
,

Federico Vergara
Rodríguez

Adolfo Vergara Rodríguez
*1898 se casó con * Luz Medina
González-Guerra
*1900-1972 en Cd. Guzman Jalisco*

Tuvo por hijos:

Adolfo Vergara Medina
*1926-2004,*

David Vergara Medina1932-1990
Luz Georgina Vergara
Medina
*1929-2002 se caso 1959*

En Guadalajara Jalisco

*Árbol: Ramón Medina*

Ramón Medinase
caso con Felipa
CastilloTecolotlan
Jalisco

Tuvieron por hijos

Juan Medina Castillo
*1843,* Zenón Medina
Castillo
*1846* ,Carlos Medina
Castillo
*1848* ,Ramón Medina
Castillo
*1851*

Ramón Medina Castillo
*1852 se caso en *1863 con Petra Topete
Enciso
*1836*

* en Tecolotlan Jalisco*

* *

*Tuvieron por hijos*

Manuel Medina Topete
,Arnulfo Medina
Topete
*1865,*Guadalupe Medina
Topete
*1866, *María Petra Medina
Topete
*1867,*Amparo Medina
Topete
*1872* , Daniel Medina
Topete
*1874*

Alfredo Medina
Topete
*1869* se caso con Lucía
González-Guerra

Tuvieron por hijos

Luz Medina
González-Guerra
*1900-1972, *Alfredo Medina
González-Guerra,
Josefina
Medina González-Guerra,Concepción
Medina González-Guerra,
María
Rosa Medina González-Guerra
,
Esperanza Medina
González-Guerra
,
Consuelo Medina
González-Guerra
,Rodolfo Medina
González-Guerra,Carlos
Medina González-Guerra
,Salvador Medina
González-Guerra
Alfredo Medina González-Guerra

Espero me puedan ayudar con alguna de estas ramas, muchas gracias

Atentamente,
Patricia Haro

Hello my name is Maria and I am new to the program.

I have a question. I am searching for my great great grand parent from which I think they were born in Matansas Jalisco which they would be registered in Ojuelos De Jalsico. I think my great great grandparents were born around 1888 their names are as follow.

Jose Refugio Cortez –married to Alejandra Hernandez--------- Son was Antonio Cortez Hernandez born in 1909 who is my grandfather

Lorenzo Alvarado---married to Francisca Ortiz ----------- Daughter was Ma Manuela Alvarado Ortiz which was my grandmother

If any names sound familiar....please let me know. Also I have reasearch the Ojuelos films and the earliest films are from 1879 wondering if there are any from 1888 to current.

Thanks

Alicia, that was really nice, and these are the same feelings I have
when researching. Every little tidbit of new information about my
ancestors gets me motivated.

Gilbert Paez-Austin, TX

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Our stories and how we got here (Joseph Puentes)
2. Our stories and how we got here (Alicia Carrillo)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:33:14 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Our stories and how we got here
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Wow Alicia you made me wipe a "gotita de cada ojo." What a wonderful
group of thoughts, words and love you'll have for your children,
grandchildren and their children to read days far from now. I'm honored
to have been mentioned and so happy you joined us in this journey we
started together so long ago. together we have seen the group grow and
now with Arturo's magic the group has grown beyond what was possible
with the old technology.

thank you for you support and for playing such an important role of
nurturing the new members just starting their search. Your love and care

flows from each message.

Never forget you have a good friend so far away in North Carolina,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Sylvia,
>
> I was touched by your comments,
> 1.that you're pleased that people have responded to your query.
> 2. that you had some luck with some suggestions to look in San Juan de
Los Lagos.
> 3. that some of your family members had relations from Nochistlan.
>
> Thanks to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos and to all the contributing
members of this group, we all take infant steps and learn from each
other, with the goal of some day finding our common connections.
Eventually you will see that the combination of each baby step propels
you to those leaps and bounds that are oh so exciting.
>
> Here's a little rumination I wrote about how I got here to this
magical hunt for my ancestors.
>
> Pensamientos de mi suegro, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
> Thoughts of my Father-inlaw, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui
>
> The years had now passed since my father in-law died
> That March of 1985, now seemed so long ago.
> my children had grown and I had time to ponder,
> who was their abuelo and where did he come from,
>
> Through all the years, I knew not one soul,
> who could call him a brother a primo or son,
> who raised him, who loved him who taught him to love.
> who showed him the values my husband had learned.
>
> My children had their children, we were now abuelos.
> what could I tell them, about their bis-abuelo,
> where did he come from, who taught him to love,
> who were his parents and where did they come from.
>
> One day just by chance, I was scanning on-line,
> I googled some names and by chance found roots-web.
> I entered his name and the name Tlachichila
> and there I found queries from others like me,
> who hungered and thirsted, who wanted to know,
> where did they come from and who taught them to love.
>
> There were Carrillo's and Jauregui's, Olmos and Avelares
> I read and I posted a message in cyber-space,
> would this be of value I thought as I wrote,
> will anyone read this? will anyone care,
> will anyone know that Antonio was here.
>
> The year was 2003, retirement was near
> I dreamed of the day I would have time to search.
> The message I'd posted in March 2003
> was about to take flight, when a stranger named Joseph
> would write and would ask, would you please join our group,
>
> If you'd like to know more, come with us on our journey
> together we'll learn, together we'll grow.
> As a group we are stronger, as a group we are wiser,
> and maybe some day you will know of Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
> who loved him, who held him, who taught him to love.
>
> Best New Year wishes to each and every one of you,
> Here's wishing you success in your search for your ancestors.
>
> Atentamente;
> Alicia, de San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: SylviaRodriguezRobles
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 5:13:15 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche and Surrounding Areas
>
>
> I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at
Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone
mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
> Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna.
They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in
Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over
time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live
in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
> Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!
>
>
>
> Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for Mexico
via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that
have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know
why these don't work and what happened to those batch numbers. Seems
that if they were existent at one time they still might be available
some place. Possibly on an older pre 1988 version of the IGI. Is that
only to be found on Fiche somewhere or is it no existent? The fiche
found in todays FHC what is the date of the IGI? I've been told but I
can't remember right now.

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/RANCHOS/BatchNumbers/Jalisco.pdf

thanks

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Hello-

I am researching my maternal line and have hit a road block. Does anyone have this book mentioned above? My library will not do aninterlibrary loan and I think it could really help.

Right now I am looking for the parents of:

JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES married to

ANTONIO DE SAN BUENAVENTURA. DE LA SMA. TRINIDAD CUELLAR FIGUEROA

sept. 24th 1775 in Aguascalientes.

Would like to find chiristening and parents of jossefa.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Miri

Miri,

You can order the microfilm, 0299830 which is the marriages for 1772-1777
for Aguascalientes. Through your local Family History Center. It does have
the marriage entry for ANTONIO BUENA VENTURA DE CUELLAR & JOSSEFA MARCELA
GONZALES.

Jonathan

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From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Does any one have this book? : Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara Antiguo -de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII
Date: 01/05/09 16:55

>
> Hello-
>
> I am researching my maternal line and have hit a road block. Does anyone
have this book mentioned above? My library will not do aninterlibrary loan
and I think it could really help.
>
> Right now I am looking for the parents of:
>
>
>
> JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES married to
>
> ANTONIO DE SAN BUENAVENTURA. DE LA SMA. TRINIDAD CUELLAR FIGUEROA
>
> sept. 24th 1775 in Aguascalientes.
>
> Would like to find chiristening and parents of jossefa.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miri

Leticia, Alessandro, Steve

--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Xevilla wrote:
From: Xevilla
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:17 PM

Searching Google Earth I came upon the satellite vision/map of Zacoalco de
Torres Jalisco and surrounding areas.
Also having contact with someone who regularly emails slides/pictures to me if
you would like me to forward these slides let me know.

which date would you post in your records for a marriage, the civil record if it appears dated first or the church date if you have it? I've been told that parents did not consider their children married until it was done in the church and they were not allowed to live together until the church marriage. I would imagine there were couples who could not marry in the church but could have a civil marriage. What have other members of the group found?

Linda in Everett

I thought you'd might enjoy reading this article on our heritage
 
Yolanda

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, yotomas@yahoo.com wrote:

From: yotomas@yahoo.com
Subject: O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
To: yotomas@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:22 PM

This story was sent to you by: yotomas@yahoo.com

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O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
--------------------

Gustavo Arellano and his extended family celebrate Christmas Eve at his Tia
Maria's house with a feast of epic proportions.

By Gustavo Arellano > > >

December 24 2008

My parents remain the only ones of their respective siblings who have no
grandchildren, so we -- Mom, Dad, me, a brother and two sisters -- spend most of
our Christmas Eves with the family of my Tia Maria.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-arellano24-2008dec24,0,43944…

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com

I noticed a few of us with roots in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. I visited Teocaltiche in 1998. I visited with the local cronista, Senor Rameriz, the uncle of author Nicolas De anda Sanchez.

I have been going through the IGI and ordering films, but having a difficult time getting pass my great-grandfather Mauro Rodriguez.

I have used tips offered by a member to search for siblings on rolls. This has worked.

In the book on Teocaltiche my family is mentioned in the talaberteros section. I know from the past some of you worked with the author. --Nicolas De Anda Sanchez. I know he must be getting on in years. I would like to get my information to the author since conventional search tools not working. Since he gound it noteworthy to add my family to the book I thought it would be of interest to him to know about the descendants. Perhaps he has source information of value for my historical benefit.

Most importantly, I would love to share family backgrounds andi mmigration pattern to USA. Maybe some links?

HAPPY NEW YEAR! I hope your new year will be filled with rewarding family research.
I was going through some old (really OLD) email messages this morning - the "Ancestry.com" newsletter that I had been ignoring for quite some time, and came across a reference to this site:

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/

and thought it would be of interest to those of you who have worked with your DNA (I have not so I did not read this blog). Just thought I would share.

Natalie Castro Coleman

Happy Holidays to all:

I have a civil marriage record from Distrito Federal, Mexico dated 07 Jan 1917 and I am unable to translate two statements. “En la casa no 94 de la oclava del Reloj el Sr Pbro D.J. Guadalupe Chavez, V.P. asistio a siete de enero de mil novecientos diecisiete al matrimonio que in extremis (or fue in extremis) contrajeron Juan Breña y Ma Gonzalez fueron testigos Francisco y Ana Breña “

I am having trouble finding "oclave del Reloj" on any map. Does anyone have a historical map of DF. Quite possible this was located behind la Cathedral in front of Teatro Alarcon (or so I was told).

Also what does que in extremis or fue in extremis means.

And while on the subject of maps, I am looking for Callejon del Indio Triste No 59, Zacatecas, Zac, Mx which was the residence of my uncle, Marcelo Gonzalez.

Any assisstance is appreciated. Anita

I am wondering if anybody has any ties to the Mora family from Ocotlan. I have Jose Antonio Mora born in Ocotlan 1806. Parents were Rafael Mora and Gertrudis Baca. I found a Jose Rafael Mora born in 1786 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, but I haven't been able to confirm if it's the correct Jose Rafael Mora. I was wondering if any members have any Mora line tying into the southern end of Jalisco. Jose Antonio Mora married Trinidad Villaroel of Atotonilco el alto, Jalisco in 1826 in Ocotlan. Please if anyone has any information would they reply it would be greatly appreciated.

Daniel Briones

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
  Mexico
Search Results  | Download | Print

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LUISA LOSANO GONSALES Pedigree
  Female    

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Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening:  27 DEC 1645   El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Death: 
Burial: 

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Parents:
  Father:  JACINTHO LOSANO Family
  Mother:  JUANA GONSALES de Rubalcaba

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Today's Topics:

  1. Jose Maria Casillas Hermosillo de Gonzalez (Aaron Casillas)
  2. Re: Hernandez de Gamino Family (actapatio2007)
  3. more informationo on Jose Maria Casillas    Gonzalez de
      Hermosillo (actapatio2007)
  4. Casillas GEDCOM available- Los Altos de Jalisco/    and beyond,
      DNA info also for Alvarez, Ramirez (Aaron Casillas)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:52:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Casillas
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Casillas Hermosillo de Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Que tal,
?
I saw your posting on your website.? The Hermosillo family name is truncated from the Casillas family name.? We've been using birth certificates and previous work done by Alberto Casillas in his book titled the "Casillas" to trace back the Casillas family .
?
Including DNA sampling which resulted in R1b1.
?
By adding the Casillas back in the name you can get all the previous ancestors.?
?
These are my fathers:
?
Moises Casillas Diaz
Quintin Casillas Gomez
Panfilo Casillas Ulloa
Nazario Casillas Gutierrez
Francisco de la Trinidad Casillas Villapando
Jose Maria Casillas Gonzalez de Hermosillo
Jose de San Ramon Casillas Casillas
Jacinto Ventura Casillas Lozano
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera III
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera II
Francisco Casillas y Cabrera I
Martin Casillas (Spain, he built the cathedral in Guadalajara)

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:11:52 -0800 (PST)
From: actapatio2007
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernandez de Gamino Family
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi

Copy and past my url to see the descendants and ancestors of
Jose Maria Casillsa, Gonzales, de Hermosillo...
(aka Jose Gozales de Hermosillo)

http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=FWRJ5&viewuid=FWRJ5

My source is Jose Alberto Casillas, Rick Rodriguez, who both are using actual birth certificates.

It was common and tradition in times to for women to use their grandmothers name instead of their husbands.  Such as the case with de Hermosillo mixing with Gonzalez, becoming Gonzales de Hermosillo.

Jose Maria's real last name is Casillas.  Very much like Panco Villa using a name de guerra....

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:17:00 -0800 (PST)
From: actapatio2007
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] more informationo on Jose Maria Casillas
    Gonzalez de Hermosillo
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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http://www.valledeguadalupe.com/historia.htm

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:57:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Casillas
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Casillas GEDCOM available- Los Altos de
    Jalisco/    and beyond, DNA info also for Alvarez, Ramirez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Greetings,

My GEDCOM is now available under Aaron Casillas.

Notables =
1) Martin "Alarife" Casillas
??? a) Spainard who built the Cathedral in Guadalajara, according to Jose Alberto Casillas, related to Viceroy Mendoza
????b) Martin is also Miguel Hidalgo's maternal side family member...

2) Jose Maria Casillas, Gonzalez de Hermosillo (insurgent)

(R1b) Casillas DNA Work completed?/? Celtic (most likely the Spanish Netherlands, same place Carlos 5th was born)
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=C&lastname=Casill…

Hola compañeros, desde hace varios días que se encuentra en el foro discuciones e información sobre personas de apellido Quezada; y hoy me di a la tarea de buscar a todas las personas Quezada que tengo en mi base de datos y que no les he podido seguir la línea.

Me gustaría saber si alguno de ustedes tiene mas datos de los siguientes Quezada:

1.- Lorenzo Quezada, cónyuge de Felipa Ortiz, vecinos de San Juan de los Lagos, aprox. en 1695.
2.- Diego Manuel Quezada, quien casó el 01 de enero de 1766 en Cuquío, con María Segunda García.
3.- Leonarda Quezada, esposa de José del Refugio Alvarado, vecinos de Acatic, Jalisco aprox. en 1920.
4.- Silvestre Quezada, cónyuge de Jacinta Gómez, vecinos de Tepatitlán de Morelos, aprox. en 1780.

Espero y alguien me pueda ayudar, y si en algo puedo ayudar a ustedes, con mucho gusto lo haré.

Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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I just learned the www.familytreedna.com has a December sale on at least some of their test kits when purchased through one of the projects (you can generally fit yourself into one of the posted projects. There is a Mexican Surname Project and lots of specific surname and geographic projects.) The Y-DNA37w/ mtDNAPlus kit is $199 (I paid over $300), and the Y-67DNAw/mtDNAPlus kit is $308. I don't know what the latter one was before, but that represents a good savings. I only wish I had known about their apparently traditional December-only sales.
I have been very satisfied with the results and the availability of knowledgeable people to answer questions. So far my results indicate a European haplogroup for my Ruiz line (R1b1b2a1a), and 3 Native American lines (Q and mtdna haplogroups B and C).
So if you have thought about having it done, you may want to take advantage of the sale. (Who knew they would have a "sale"?)

Hola a Todos:

Gracias a Jorge Luis por contestarme, aqui comento lo siguiente:
En mensajes atras Jorge Luis mando la reproduccion de lo que parece
ser el retrato del Alarife Martin Casillas, constructor de la Santa Catedral
de Guadalajara, Jalisco, este retrato viene en el libro o cuadernillo del
ya fallecido Jose Alberto Casillas, sobre su familia los Casillas, pero
tambien yo (Como muchos se han de preguntar) me pregunte de donde
habia sacado Jose Alberto Casillas ese retrato, ya que en su libro no
lo dice, y yo he tenido la idea desde hace tiempo de lo siguiente, yo
compre el libro sobre los casillas en una papeleria en Tepa, donde hace
años trabajaba mi sobrina Julissa Joey Guzman Velazquez (prima
hermana de Juan Jose Padilla Guzman que tu conoces Jorge Luis),
ella me dijo que alli vendian ese libro de Jose Alberto Casillas, es una
papeleria que esta poor lo que ustedes llaman el barrio alto de Tepa,
cerca de donde esta la Prepa, no recuerdo el nombre de la papeleria,
bueno desde que fui a comprar el libro, el dueño de la papeleria, me
comento que desde hace años vendia ese libro, de los pocos que
edito el propio Jose Alberto, que a pear de ser un libro muy interesante
e importantisimo para la genealogia de Tepa y los altos, y a pesar
de haber pocos libros, a la gran mayoria no le interesan, y me comento
el dueño de la papeleria que ya tenia varios años vendiendo esos
pocos libros, y que creia que se le hiban a vender pronto, pero que
pasaron los años y casi nadie compra el libro, el mismo dia que compre
el libro de los Casillas, le pregunte si tenia mas libros similares, y
me dijo que solo tenia el tomo 3 de la serie de libros sobre la historia
de Tepatitlan, que tambien escribio y edito Jose Alberto Casillas, y
yo le dije de mi interes de tener la serie completa y otros libros del
propio autor, y me dijo que el iba a preguntar a la familia del
difunto Jose Alberto si tenia mas copias de sus libros para vender,
y como pasa el tiempo, ya pasaron varios años y no he regresado
a preguntar si pudo conseguir la serie completa y otros libros de
Jorge Alberto Casillas, pero tambien estube pensando, que a ver
si podia ir directamente con la familia del difunto Jose Alberto, no
se si la direccion que viene en el libro sea actual, o preguntarle al
dueño de la papeleria para que me de los datos de la familia y ver
si ellos me pueden vender los libros o en su defecto me dejen
sacar copias fotostaticas de los libros y escritos del difunto que
de seguro tendran en su biblioteca particular, y a la vez preguntarles
a sus familiares, si ellos saben de donde, de que fuente saco
Jose Alberto ese retrato del Alarife Martin Casillas, al estar fisicamente
lejos de Tepa, no lo he podido hacer, pero te doy la idea a ti Jorge Luis
para ver si tu lo puedes hacer, y asi enterarnos de esa incognita y
a su vez tener mas literatura que nos ayude en nuestra investigacion
Genealogica, creo que lei en el propio libro de Jose Alberto, ccreo que
en el prologo en las pastas el curriculum del difunto, que estudio y
fue periodista en la ciudad de Mexico, y luego, no se si por jubilacion
o poi retir voluntario, regreseo a su terruño, Tepatitlan y fue alli
donde se dedico a enaltecer la cultura de Tepa, y asi como escribio
varios libros sobre tepa, fue imulsor de su cultura, y creo que fue
el fundador de la Casa de Cultura de Tepa, donde esta la biblioteca,
alli en el centro de Tepa.

Tambien te comento Jorge Luis, que hace apenas unos pocos
meses, en una reunion, cerca de Pegueros, comente sonbre mi
interes en la Genealogia, y alguna persona de la reunion me dijo
que alli en Pegueros habia un reconocido investigador sobre la
genealogia en Pegueros, que le decian "El Birria" o "El Birrias",
que era muy conocido alli en Pegueros, y que el conocia o sabia
mucho de la Genealogia en Pegueros, y desde entonces tambien
he tenido la inquietud de buscarlo, para intercambiar informacion
pero tampoco lo he podido hacer, no se si tu Jorge Luis, quisieras
o puedas buscarlo a ver que investigas.

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Greetings,

My GEDCOM is now available under Aaron Casillas.

Notables =
1) Martin "Alarife" Casillas
    a) Spainard who built the Cathedral in Guadalajara, according to Jose Alberto Casillas, related to Viceroy Mendoza
    b) Martin is also Miguel Hidalgo's maternal side family member...

2) Jose Maria Casillas, Gonzalez de Hermosillo (insurgent)

(R1b) Casillas DNA Work completed /  Celtic (most likely the Spanish Netherlands, same place Carlos 5th was born)
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=C&lastname=Casill…

Some last names vascillate as it was the custom for women to sometimes use their grandmothers last names.  Truncation of last names also occured;such as the name of "Casillas" as is the "de la torre" family from los Altos de Jalisco...they would originally be "Casillas de la Torre", or synthisis like Gonzalez, de Hermosillo becomes Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Or Cabrera becomes "y Cabrera" or "de Cabrera."

Casillas Pedigree Chart
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5

(I1a) Alvarez (Aifursson) DNA Work completed /Nordic Viking Visigoth
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=A&lastname=Alvare…

(old J2f1) Ramirez  DNA Work completed / Adriatic Troy/ Founders of Rome
http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=R&lastname=Ramire…

Mothers Mothers
mtDNA= "D" Native Meso American"  Aztec/Apache/Cherokee/Toltec/Peruvian

My source of work comes from
1) Alberto Jose Casillas book "Casillas"
2) Ricardo Rodrigo, whose a currently researching all families and origins from el Valle de Guadalupe and has also verfied and completed dna sampling from various families.  Includes actual Birth Certificates
3) Family lore, father told me we were descendants of Jose Maria and Martin "Alarife" Casillas, lore that we are descendant of Germanic people.
4) Lore that the Spainards were tongue in cheek Catholics, a touch of Celtic paganism, ever heard of a "Dwinde?" or "Nuevo Galicia?"
5) Oxford University/ Oxford Ancestors Paternal and maternal tests. Fathers are from the "Oisin Clan"
6) National Geographic, DNA testing for paternal, maternal,mothers fathers, mothers mothers fathers, mother fathers mother...

Photos Scans available upon request of :
Martin "Alarife" Casillas
Panfilo Casillas and Viscenta Gomez Casillas
Casillas heraldry matching Spanish Netherlands Celts "Carlos the 5th" administrators in Mexico
Quintin Casillas and Celedonia Diaz Casillas

-Thanks
Aaron Casillas Alvarez Diaz Ramirez Gomez Barajas Gutierez :)
for Casillas family Guadalajara, el Valle de Guadalupe to Xalostitlan.

Hola Jorge Luis,

Yo solamente tengo informacion de mi familia Quezada de approx. 1860 al presente.? Tengo mucho mas que investigar.?

Marisela
Fresno, California

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:52:58 -0600
From: Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Quezada.
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Hola compa?eros, desde hace varios d?as que se encuentra en el foro discuciones
e informaci?n sobre personas de apellido Quezada; y hoy me di a la tarea de
buscar a todas las personas Quezada que tengo en mi base de datos y que no les
he podido seguir la l?nea.

Me gustar?a saber si alguno de ustedes tiene mas datos de los siguientes
Quezada:

1.- Lorenzo Quezada, c?nyuge de Felipa Ortiz, vecinos de San Juan de los Lagos,
aprox. en 1695.
2.- Diego Manuel Quezada, quien cas? el 01 de enero de 1766 en Cuqu?o, con Mar?a
Segunda Garc?a.
3.- Leonarda Quezada, esposa de Jos? del Refugio Alvarado, vecinos de Acatic,
Jalisco aprox. en 1920.
4.- Silvestre Quezada, c?nyuge de Jacinta G?mez, vecinos de Tepatitl?n de
Morelos, aprox. en 1780.

Espero y alguien me pueda ayudar, y si en algo puedo ayudar a ustedes, con mucho
gusto lo har?.

Saludos.Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.
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Rudy and Esperanza,? my ancestors are Quesadas from the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area also.? My great-grandfather was Emigdio Quezada and his parents were Jose Guadalupe Quezada and Gregoria Martinez.? I don't have birthdates for Jose or Gregoria.? Does this help any of you???? Do you have any dates for your Quesadas???

Keeping my fingers crossed. . .
Marisela
Fresno, California

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2. Re: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) &
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3. Re: Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche (Alicia Carrillo)
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6. Re: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) &
Lorenza Moran Montoya (christening) (Bill Figueroa)
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Finally! I believe I have a hit with someone in the group! Yes Esperanza, I do
have information on this line to share with you. Your Timoteo Limon was brother
to my GGG Grandfather Victor Limon. Timoteo's and Victor's Parents were Jose
Carlos Limon & Maria Gertrudis. I believe Maria Gertrudis was a Quesada. I
still have not hit the birth records for this line but do have a copy of the
Marriage reco
rd of Jose Limon and Maria Gertrudis Quesada to share with you if
you like. In addition, Tiburcia Estrada is also in my direct family line. Her
parents were my GGGGrandparents Jose Nicolas Estrada and Maria Encarnacion
Chavez. I do not have any marriage info on these grandparents yet. I too am
also new to this. I am willing to help you out with whatever I can. Let me
know!

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona

---- Esperanza wrote:
>
> Hello Rudy,
> I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name
of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and
Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862. They had a
son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he
married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.
>
> I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the
connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.
>
> -Esperanza

Hola Amigos de Nuestros Ranchos:

Ayer tuve tiempo de leer los cuatro cuentos de la región de Jalisco, en los que indiscutiblemente se nota la influencia europea, lo que es lógico tratandose de Jalisco pues como todos sabemos es uno de los estados en el que se ha tratado de conservar la cultura y tradiciones españolas y de otros paises de Europa hasta nuestros días. Siendo mis antepasados maternos de Jalisco, he tenido la oportnidad de comparar las costumbres, tradiciones, literatura y hasta superticiones de decendientes de europeos y de indigenas, pues mis ascendientes paternos, aunque mestizos se consideran con orgullo de sangre azteca.

Por lo que quisiera dar a conocer un librito de relatos tradicionales de Milpa Alta, lugar de nacimiento de mi padre, quien gustaba de relatar tanto leyendas de su pueblo, como pasajes de su interesante vida, sobre todo sus recuerdos de niñez en tiempos de la Revolución Mexicana. Si alguien tiene interés de leer sus relatos, puede visitar mi página de internet.
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/milpaalta.htm
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/anecdotas.htm

El titulo del libro al que me refiero es "Frente al Tlecuil" y es una recopilación de leyendas y cuentos pasados oralmente de generación en generación al rededor del fogón (Tlecuil) que era en donde se sentaban a comer y a platicar. En la mayoría de los relatos puede uno vislumbrar costumbres y creencias muy antiguas como las ofrendas del Dia de Muertos, La Tienda de Raya, etc.

Curiosamente éste librito, incluye una leyenda que con pequeñas variantes he leido en un libro de cuentos de Los Altos de Jalisco. En Milpa Alta la leyenda se llama "La Bruja y su Esposo" que cuenta de una esposa asendosa que de noche cuando el esposo duerme, deja los zapatos frente al rescoldo y se va volando convertida en bruja, la versión de los Altos de Jalisco es básicamente lo mismo, sólo que la esposa se saca los ojos y los esconde entre las cenizas del rescoldo. Para mí la diferencia entre las dos leyendas demuestra la intuición sagaz de los indigenas. Para volar no necesita zapatos, pero como lo puede hacer sin ojos?. Desgracidamente no encontré el libro de los Altos en mi desordenada biblioteca, pero en cuanto lo encuentre les envío el nombre, pues está muy interesante, o tal vez alguno de Uds. lo conozca.

Deseando a todos una muy feliz Navidad y lo mejor para el año 2009 me despido y les envío saludos cordiales, también de parte de mi esposo Guenter que aunque es alemán, de vez en cuando mete su cuchara en Nuestros Ranchos.

Bertha Medina de Boehm

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FolkTales-Spirit of Giving: Thanks Bill - was: Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor

What a great example of having the true sharing and giving attitude.
Thank you Bill for your continued support of other members of the group.
Your dedication to help members of the group advance their genealogies
is an example we should all strive to have during the holidays and at
all times throughout the year(s).

Now I know this is not a fluent transition but just to share a bit of
Folklore here are some stories from the Jalisco area:
http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/FourMexicanFolkTales.pdf

1) Cuento de la Ranita
2) Cuento de Maria Ceniza
3) Cuento del Pajaro del Dulce Canto
4) Cuento del Sol y la Luna

if you want to see a foto of a Tepecano Village back in 1917 look at
this site (scroll down): http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/m/mason.htm

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I haven't talked about this and I don't believe it has been addressed by
others. Please do not invite the nuestrosranchos.org group members
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networking sites. These messages are very distracting and have nothing
to do with what we are about. There very well could be exceptions and if
there are please bring them to my attention and I'll discuss them with
the other moderators. In the meantime just don't do it.

No e hablado de esto y creo que otros no han hablo de esto. Por Favor no
invite ninguna persona desde el grupo nuestrosranchos.org a otros grupos
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joseph

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I've just updated my file on Rootsweb.com. Most of the research in for the district of Jerez Zacatecas but there is also research from Tamazula and Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco and then to Michoacan in the 1780's and earlier. The file is too large to post on Nuestros since there are abt 59,000 names. I hope there is something of interest there for many of you researching those areas.

If you put in Rito Castanon and go to the one born in 1919 and then go to pedigree in text form it will give you my genealogy or you can go to index and it will show you the surnames in my files. If you find errors I would appreciate you letting me know so I can make corrections.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really
into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this
book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in
the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería" y
piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la
conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y
te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)