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Hi all,

Promised to send bits of details I find in important books...

I just posted a Word file titles "Principal Miners of Zacatecas and Fresnillo, 1799"

Contains list of miners and hacendados - with names of haciendas.

SOURCE: AGN, Historia, 49 (exp. 26): el intendente Francisco Rendon al virrey, Zac., 3 de mayo 1803

I am announcing that Marge Vallazza from our group is assisting me in a
small capacity to edit our files. She may need to contact some of you
offline in order to verify locations or surnames. Please give her the
same courtesy and cooperation that you have given our other moderators.

thanks,

joseph

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Feliz Navidad a todos Loa Collazo, aunque ya no tengo el apellido,
desciendo de la Familia Collazo Gonzalez (1850 aprox) de Encarnación de Diaz
Jalisco, Mexico.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Federico Collazo [mailto:fedecoar2003@yahoo.com.ar]
Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Diciembre de 2008 18:11
Para: humbertocollazosmontero@yahoo.es; ed collazo
CC: djazuquita@hotmail.com; denisse jaume; DANIEL & AMERICA JEPSEN; eliana
madre(evelia lopez) staten; steve haws; eric diaz collazo(CUBANO); esperanza
collazo; roberto & norma jacome; julio & eugenia gonzalez velez; Erick D
Villatoro; FNDO COLLAZO,QUEIROS(ESPANA); maria de fatima martins; Franklin
Collazo; SR.FELIX COLLAZO(PUERTO RICO); TIO JULIO GARCIA NEGRON;
geovan_10@hotmail.com; gim acevedo; Mario GONZALEZ COLLAZO; ron batt; angel
gomez garcia; gilda & gzlo del pino; HERNAN Collazo; hector y mariana proano
carrera; humberto collazo(PERU); HYRUM VILLATORO; jaime DE LATORRE; jorge &
elizabeth bonet; carolina castelblanco; jerry &lisa; joan and warren
widdison
Asunto: Re: SALUDO NAVIDEÑO A TODOS LOS COLLAZOS DEL MUNDO

Hola a todos los Collazos del mundo !!
Les escribo para desearles muy feliz Navidad y que tengan un buen 2009 !!

Saludos para todos desde Argentina !

Federico Collazo

--- El jue, 11/12/08, ed collazo escribió:

> De: ed collazo
> Asunto:
> Para: djazuquita@hotmail.com, "denisse jaume" ,
> "DANIEL & AMERICA JEPSEN" , "eliana madre(evelia
> lopez) staten" , "steve haws" ,

> "eric diaz collazo(CUBANO)" , "esperanza collazo"
> , "roberto & norma jacome"
> , "julio & eugenia gonzalez velez"
> , "Erick D Villatoro" , "FNDO
> COLLAZO,QUEIROS(ESPANA)" , "maria de fatima
> martins" , "Franklin Collazo"
> , "Federico Collazo(ARGENTINA)"
> , "SR.FELIX COLLAZO(PUERTO RICO)"
> , "TIO JULIO GARCIA NEGRON"
> , geovan_10@hotmail.com, "gim acevedo"
> , "Mario GONZALEZ COLLAZO" ,
> "ron batt" , "angel gomez garcia"
, "gilda & gzlo del pino"
, "HERNAN Collazo" ,
"hector y mariana proano carrera" , "humberto
collazo(PERU)" , "HYRUM VILLATORO"
, "jaime DE LATORRE"
, "jorge & elizabeth bonet"
, "carolina castelblanco" ,
"jerry &lisa" , "joan and warren widdison"

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Rick, I'm jealous already, how nice to be able to spend a couple of weeks doing research.

I will have the luxury of a few days only and most likely it will not be at Easter time but maybe the three of us can meet up. I can try to schedule my visit on the days that you and Maureen would be there next year. I hope it works out.

Saludos,
Alicia, San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 10:15:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Alicia and Maureen, I'm also planning to visit SLC next year, maybe
during Easter week. I went last year during Easter and the very friendly
people there told me that they don't get that many visitors during this
week, and it's not that cold either. I'll probably spend a week or two
there.

Saludos,
Rick Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to
go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe
there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up
in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be
one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

Hello Cristobal,

My ancestors are Emigdio Quesada, Jose Guadalupe Quesada, Pedro Ortis and Maria Ortis from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.? Any relation to you???

Thank you.
Marisela Taylor
Fresno, California

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1. Re: My Dream/Mi Sue?o (jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx)
2. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
3. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
4. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
5. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (makas_nc)
6. Germanic roots? (Angelina Markle)
7. Re: Germanic roots? (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
8. Fwd: My Dream/Mi Sue?o (alvaradj@comcast.net)
9. Traducci?n de "Mi Sue?o" (Jaime Alvarado)
10. Fw: 2009 Sueno (JOSE MAGDALENA AGUAYO)

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Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.

I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
"Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
move to San Luis Potosi. I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
La Chona, San Ju
an de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
Perez, De Alba, Lomel?n, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)

If you need other kind of help please let me know.
Best Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

Someone inquired about a place known as Rocamonte. I personally have no knowledge of this place, so I went to the LINKS section of NUESTROS RANCHOS (it is part of the title banner). Once on the LINKS page I looked under GEOGRAFIC AND LOCALITY INFORMATION, and then to ZACATECAS MUNICIPALITIES. On this page there is a BUSCAR button (Find), and I was able to enter "Rocamonte". The only thing that came up was information related to Rocamonte was the following (and this appears to NOT be a settlement) in the municipality of Concepcion de Oro:
Hidrografia: "Sobre los aprovechamientos de agua subterránea cabe resaltar: Guadalupe Garzarón, Ciénega de Rocamontes, Anáhuac, San José del Mezquital, de estos dos últimos dos se extrae el agua que alimenta la red de distribución general en la cabecera municipal. Cuenta con pozos de uso doméstico y otros dedicados al riego para beneficiar una superficie de un poco mas de 500 hectáreas." Note - it says Cienega de Rocamontes. Note also its' location in the NE corner of Zacatecas, bordering ...?? an unknown state (the map of Zacatecas on this page does not show the neighboring states).
While many municipalities have webpages, Concepcion de Oro does not appear to have one.
This is the only search I made regarding Rocamonte - but there may other searches you can make.

natalie coleman

Hola a todos los miembros de "nuestros ranchos" por medio de familisearch.org he obtenido informacion de mis antepasados hasta
el año de 1800, quiesiera obtener una copia de los films, que debo hacer ? agradesco la ayuda que me puedan brindar.
Saludos cordiales,
Atte
Mario Gonzalez

Hello, All!

I am looking for further information on these Treminos. Does anyone recognize them?

I am not finding much information on them. Although I have found information saying that they were from Saltillo, Coahuila they seem to have many connections to Zacatecas. Can anyone help? The family says they were from Saltillo.

Can anyone give any information on Rocamonte, Zacatecas? I have several members of my family born there but know nothing about the place.

Elvira
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Descendants of Jose-Antonio Tremiño

Generation No. 1

1. JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO was born Abt. 1740 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL. She was born Abt. 1741 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Children of JOSE-ANTONIO TREMIÑO and MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL are:
2. i. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1762, Saltillo?, Coahuila, México; d. , Coahuila, México.
ii. MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. 1786, Rocamonte, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO, 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1; b. 1785, San Juan de Ahorcados, Zacatecas, Mexico.

More About JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO and MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL:
Marriage: 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1

3. iii. GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1798, de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Generation No. 2

2. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1762 in Saltillo?, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México. He married MARIA DE GRASIA MARTINES in , , , México. She was born Abt. 1764 in , Saltillo, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México.

More About JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES:
Marriage: , , , México

Children of JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES are:
4. i. MARIA CECILIA3 TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 1779, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 02 Jun 1849, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.
5. ii. JOSE BENIGNO TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 28 Feb 1803, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 07 Jul 1849, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México.

3. GREGORIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1798 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO, daughter of PEDRO MALDONADO-FLORES and YSAVEL DE-AREDONDO-DE-ERRERA. She was born Abt. 1799 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Child of GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO is:
i. JOSE GREGORIO DE LOS DOLORES3 TREMIÑO-MALDONADO, b. Oct 1817, , Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico2.

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Hello all,

First of all, I would like to thank Joseph, Arturo, and all the other little
helpers for all the work and effort, that they have put into making the
Ranchos Group, what it is today.

Second, we all can put in our own two bits of wisdom. We can ask questions,
we can share ideas. It doesn't matter how new, advanced or whatever level
we are on. We can always share and learn, from each other.

As for my self, I am not a professional researcher, I am just a person, who
wants to share what he has learned. The reason that I am where, that I am,
is that I have been asking questions about how to do Mexican research for
the last 19 years. Then I began to share what I have learned with others,
either through teaching classes, being a volunteer at my local Family
History Center, and reading messages posted through Ranchos and other
Message boards (and trying to answer a few). So we all can find something
to share.

As for ranchos members, visiting Salt Lake. If you need help, or would like
to meet me, feel free to contact me, because I live 84 miles north of the
Family History Library.

Jonathan
mexicanfhr@gmail.com

Thanks Maureen,

Just thought it would be nice to meet up with some Ranchos members but it will be tough to get it to coincide with everyone's busy schedules. I just know that I want to go sometime in the spring and who knows, it may end up being a spur of the moment two or three day trip for me.

Thanks for your reply
Alicia

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:00:27 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City Spring of 2009

Dear Alicia and Rick:
    You know I would love to meet with you, but the only reason I am making the trip is because my husband has a meeting in Reno, Nevada in June.  Since we are in the area, we were going to plan on renting a car and driving to Salt Lake for a week to do some research.  Sort of killing two birds with one stone.  My date in June is not set yet.  Now if for some reason the June date is canceled, I may still plan a trip out west to visit my sister for a while and then head up to Salt Lake.  My schedule would be quite a bit more flexible.  I will keep you two posted.  Thank you for the offer.

Maureen

1) Juan de Arredondo m. Margarita de Caliz, hija/daughter of Captain Juan de Calis-Coy & Francisca Flores-de-Valdez-Salazar

2) Patricio de Arredondo m. Phelipa Briseno

3) Juan-Francisco de Arredondo married Aug. 08, 1734 to Maria-Zapopa de Herrera.

4) Isabel-Maria-Antonia Arredondo-Herrera
baptized July 4, 1740, Saltillo
married May 2, 1771 to Pedro Maldonado-Flores

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  1. Asebes gamily (ylricro)
  2. Asebes family (ylricro)
  3. Research Dig. Vol 35 Issue 7 Antonio Gonz. &    Juliana De La
      Torre (Maureen Bejar)
  4. Visiting Salt Lake City (Alicia Carrillo)
  5. Re: Visiting Salt Lake City (Rick Rodriguez)
  6. Re: Treminos from Saltillo and Viesca, Coahuila
      (campezina@juno.com)
  7. Re: Visiting Salt Lake City ( Barbara/Red Chedester)
  8. Re: Treminos from Saltillo and Viesca, Coahuila (Santos Luna)
  9. Copia de rollos (GONZALEZ MARIO)
  10. Re: Copia de rollos (John Gonzalez)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 20:13:47 -0800 (PST)
From: ylricro
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Asebes gamily
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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I have updated my Asebes family tree.  It is listed in "files" under my name - Rosales, Enriqueta.  My Asebes family were in Nochistlan 1750(?) to 1800.  Then they move to Teocaltiche until 1885(?).  Then most of them moved to Mapimi, Durango and Coahuila.  From there, they came to the U.S..

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Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 20:15:37 -0800 (PST)
From: ylricro
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Asebes family
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Bertha - the names you mentioned do not sound familiar to me.

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Message: 3
Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 20:34:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Maureen Bejar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Dig. Vol 35 Issue 7 Antonio Gonz.
    &    Juliana De La Torre
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Dear John:
    Thank you, I already have that marriage referenced, but have not ordered the film yet to make sure that Antonio and Juliana are the correct ones.  Thus I do not have the marriage date in my GEDCOM.  The Tepa film is on my wish list.  I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be one I will look into.

  Thank you again.

Maureen

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:08:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:15:44 -0600
From: "Rick Rodriguez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City
To:
Message-ID: <493e0d1a.1138400a.44f5.ffffd3d6@mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Dear Alicia and Maureen, I'm also planning to visit SLC next year, maybe
during Easter week. I went last year during Easter and the very friendly
people there told me that they don't get that many visitors during this
week, and it's not that cold either. I'll probably spend a week or two
there.

Saludos,
Rick Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Like all other voices raised, I would thank and honor Joseph and Arturo for their diligent work and the wonderous creation that NR has become.?

I regularly count my?blessing in almost literally tripping over NR and the fortune of having?half my ancestors from Aguascalientes, granting me access to learn at the feet of what feels like the masters as I undertake to research my ancestry.? A newbie to genealogy altogether, I have learned so much from all those who do have so much to contribute.? I'm am regularly awestruck by people's reports and discussions of ancestors in the 16th century, particularly when I'm still working?my?way through?the 1800's.??While I'm trying to figure out where I can look for information on a nothing-little town that no one ever heard of, I am blown away to read about people who know the names and locations of the ranchos where their people have lived.? I clearly have a lot to learn and, while much of the discourse brings me no closer to answers now, I am learning that there are resources and means by which information can be obtained.? One day I hope to get half so far as the rest of you.

Consider me one of those who has taken and given nothing, it would be fair, but I don't know that there is anything someone of my level can offer.?? Or is there?? Ideas?

Annette

----- Original Message -----
From: JOSE MAGDALENA AGUAYO
To: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: 2009 Sueno

I would like to add my thanks to you and Arturo for the monumental work you have done and continue to do on Nuestros Ranchos. I am one of those, unfortunately, who has contributed little since I joined. My computer and research skills are not at a level where I can teach anyone anything, but I do promise to post some historical information in 2009. It is a pleasure to read the experiences and discoveries of others on Nuestros Ranchos. For that reason alone, I hope that your misgivings about the future of the group do not become reality.
Jose Aguayo

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JULIANA DE LA TORRE Pedigree
  Female   Family

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Marriages:
  Spouse:  ANTONIO GONZALES Family
  Marriage:  09 APR 1833   Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico

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  1. Re: Rosario Enriquez (Rosa Gonzalez)
  2. Rosario Enriquez and LDS records search    Jalostotilan
      (Maureen Bejar)
  3. Asebes family (ylricro)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:57:17 -0800
From: "Rosa Gonzalez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rosario Enriquez
To:
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My dear Maureen,
There is a special blood line that drew us together in NuestrosRanchos and I
am so incredibly happy with your wonderful assistance.  I wish we could all
help one another as much as you have extended to assist me.  Please do not
hesitate to ask me to assist you with your research in San Francisco or
anywhere in California.  I am here for you!!!!!  Thank you my dear!!!!
Rosa

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Maureen
Bejar
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:28 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rosario Enriquez

Dear Rosa:
  I could not come up with anything either for Rosario and Trinidad's
marriage.  We might estimate that they were married when Trinidad was 15 or
sixteen years of age.  This may or may not be true, but it was common for
girls to marry around that age.  That would put the marriage around 1909.
If you know they were of the Catholic faith and hopefully they were married
in Jalostotitlan, then your best bet is to find your nearest LDS history
center and order the Catholic marriages film 1905-1913 # 279310 Jalos.
Review the film and if it is not there try 1913-1924 279311.  There are also
civil marriage records, but they appear to be one month of one year each, so
it would take more $$$$ and more time.  Also, since the marriage was in the
early 1900's I have noticed that many of the early 1900 films have not been
batched yet, so it would be near to impossible to find a marriage reference
online for them.  Mind you this is a long shot, but it may be your best bet.
I have done s
ome of my research in this manner and sometimes I am overwhelmingly lucky
and other times very disappointed.
  If you need help in finding more film numbers.  Go to the familysearch
site main page, click on "library" link at the top of that page and then
"library catalog", choose "placename" search and put in Jalostotitlan part
of Mexico.  Click on the links for civil or church records and then "view
film notes" button on the top right.  It will give you all the films that
might be ordered from Jalos.

Good luck

Maureen

I have updated my Asebes family tree.

jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:

> Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.
>
> I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
> I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
> information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
> information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
> "Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
> move to San Luis Potosi.

If you relate the discussion to our area of research just like you did in this email then it is very on topic and can be posted on the research@nuestrosranchos.org list, but if you think your message (your teaching lesson) will be 100% on SLP and not related to our area of research then put it on the general@nuestrosranchos.org list.

So my answer is yes please teach us about SLP as related to Los Altos.

Thank you Cristobal, envíe su lección en inglés o en español pues hay muchos en el grupo que se beneficiará

joseph

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> I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
> La Chona, San Juan de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
> Perez, De Alba, Lomelín, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
> Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)
>
>
> If you need other kind of help please let me know.
> Best Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos

Hello everyone,

In answer to Joseph's request that we share more openly the information that each of us possess, I thought I would share a little tidbit that I came across. Many years ago in a passing conversation with my father-in-law the name Guzman came up and he commented that it was of german origin, I had always thought of it as a hispanic name since it is common in Mexico. However, recently I found that my father in law was probably right. In researching my Padilla line I started reading the history of Spain and the term "Godos" kept coming up. If I understood correctly, "Godos" refers to Goths - a germanic tribe. These Goths ruled what is now part of Spain for hundreds of years. With that in mind, it is easy to see why so many "Altenos" are tall and fair skinned.

-Angelina-

Hey gente,
I got back from a Salt Lake City trip a couple of weeks ago and just finished updating my files. Over 95% of my ancestors were from Los Altos de Jalisco. Most of them were from Jalostotitlan, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel El Alto & Lagos de Moreno.

Check it out.

Happy Holidays.
Roberto

Dear Rosa:
I could not come up with anything either for Rosario and Trinidad's marriage. We might estimate that they were married when Trinidad was 15 or sixteen years of age. This may or may not be true, but it was common for girls to marry around that age. That would put the marriage around 1909. If you know they were of the Catholic faith and hopefully they were married in Jalostotitlan, then your best bet is to find your nearest LDS history center and order the Catholic marriages film 1905-1913 # 279310 Jalos. Review the film and if it is not there try 1913-1924 279311. There are also civil marriage records, but they appear to be one month of one year each, so it would take more $$$$ and more time. Also, since the marriage was in the early 1900's I have noticed that many of the early 1900 films have not been batched yet, so it would be near to impossible to find a marriage reference online for them. Mind you this is a long shot, but it may be your best bet. I have done some of my research in this manner and sometimes I am overwhelmingly lucky and other times very disappointed.
If you need help in finding more film numbers. Go to the familysearch site main page, click on "library" link at the top of that page and then "library catalog", choose "placename" search and put in Jalostotitlan part of Mexico. Click on the links for civil or church records and then "view film notes" button on the top right. It will give you all the films that might be ordered from Jalos.

Good luck

Maureen

This list compares the names given in records (source: microfilm and
certificates) located for my ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, and some
of her children. I am needing to verify if the latest record, the baptism
record that is listed first, is indeed her's. I have placed in bold
lettering the names that I think make the necessary connections. I would
appreciate feedback on this that would help me to determine whether or not I
have found her baptism. The family story has been handed down that
Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa was born in Spain of "royalty." Therefore, this
record is critical in possibly disclaiming that story, so I want to be as
sure as possible this is her baptism record before I add this to my family
history. I have extracted only the necessary information. In the baptism
record, even though it reads "infanta india," this is not necessarily
accurate, but it does raise further questions. (Every record in the film in
these early years, label the children as one of two things: ynfante/a
yndio/a or ynfante/a lavorio/a.) I also realize the name Gonzalez is so
common and was commonly given to Indian children at baptism, and the "s" and
"z" are used interchangeably, adding to the necessity of verifying each
piece of information I acquire. Thank-you!

Maria Pia Gonsales, infanta india, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 4
Mayo 1834; bautize 14 Mayo 1834 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija natural de Antonia Gonsales, padre no conocido;
abuelos maternos Justo Gonsales y Juana Aragones Vasquaz; padrinos Juana
Gonsales Sota.

Pioquinta Gonzalez, viuda de Cabral, 77 anos de edad, fallecio de "neumonia"
en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Mayo 1911; originaria de Huejuquilla, hija
de Ygnacio
Gonzalez y de Antonia Figueroa.

Maria Virginia del Refugio Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 8
Mayo 1852; bautize 9 Mayo 1852 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija legitima de Don Benigno Cabral y Dona Pioquinta
Gonzales; abuelos paternos Don Toribio Cabral y Dona Josefa Limas; abuelos
maternos Dona Antonia Gonzales; padrinos el Presbitero Don Pascual Cabral y
Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Maria Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 22 Marzo 1855;
bautize 23 Marzo 1855 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la villa de
Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia Gonsalez; abuelos
paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos maternos Antonia Gonzalez;
padrinos el Presbitero Con Pascual Cabral y Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Felis Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 19 Noviembre 1856;
bautize 23 Noviembre 1856 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
parroquia de Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Maria Pia
Gonsalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonia
Gonsalez; padrinos Don Luis Aguilar y Dona Prudencia Figueroa.

Jose Miguel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 25 Septiembre 1867;
bautize 29 Septiembre 1867 en la iglesia parroquial de San Jose de Analco en
la parroquia de San Jose de Analco; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonio
(Antonia?) Gonzalez; padrinos Victoria Ledesma.

Maria Isabel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 15 Julio 1871; bautize 30
Julio 1871 en El Sagrario Metropolitano en la parroquia de El Sagrario
Metropolitano; hija legitima de Domingo (Benigno?) Cabral y Pioquinta
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Ursula Dimas (Limas?); abuelos
maternos Justo Gonzalez (?) y Antonia Gonzalez; padrinos Justo Raygoza y
Refugio Linares.

Maria Isabel Cabral casado Isaac Alatorre en Guadalajara, Jalisco 18 Junio
1890 en la iglesia de Belen, 18 anos de edad, hija legitima de Benigno
Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado Alberto Martin del Campo en Guadalajara, Jalisco 19
Septiembre 1896 en la parroquia de Santuario de Santa Maria de Guadalupe, 17
anos de edad; hija legitima de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado con Alberto Martin del Campo, 56 anos de edad,
fallecio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Octubre 1936; originaria de Guadalajara,
mestiza mexicana, hija de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Thank-you, again, and please excuse and incorrect Spanish. I'm trying to
practice writing it!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening:  24 MAR 1799   Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 
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  Father:  PABLO ZURIANO Family
  Mother:  MARIANA ESCOVEDO  

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Hi all, if anyone has the marriage films, I am wondering if you can help - I just need the parent's names for bride and groom. Can anyone help?

1) MARRIAGE: Cuquio, Jalisco
DATE: 7 Nov 1715
NAMES: Joseph Sanches y Geronima Ortiz

2) MARRIAGE: Cuquio, Jalisco
DATE: 28 Mar 1725
NAMES: Jose Felis & Gertrudis Sanches

2.  MARIA4DE ONATE was born 14 Feb 1542 in San Miguel. Valladolid, Spain, and died in Vitoria. Guipuzcoa, Spain.  She married RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVAR2in Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain, son of JUANMARTINEZ-DE-ZALDIVARand MARIADE EGUILETA.  He was born in Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain.
 
Notes for MARIADE ONATE:
Source: Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 416.
 
Notes for RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVAR: A.K.A. Rodrigo Diaz de Saldivar.
Source: Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 416.
       
Children of MARIADE ONATEand RUYDIAZ-DE-SALDIVARare:
                   i.       MAESE DE CAMPOJUAN5DE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE, b. Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain; m. MARINAMENDOZA-DE-MARIN, Zacatecas, Mexico; b. Mexico City, F.D., Mexico.
 
Notes for MAESE DE CAMPOJUANDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE:
In 1540, he headed an expedition from Nueva Galicia to Florida. Source:Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon by Eugenio del Hoyo.
New Mexico's First Colonists, compiled and arranged by David H. Snow.
 
Marriage Notes for JUANDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATEand MARINAMENDOZA-DE-MARIN:
Mil Familias III by Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza. Page 326.
Fundadores de Nueva Galicia - Guadalajara - Tomo I, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 10 and 70.
 
                  ii.    LT. CAPTAIN GENERALVICENTEDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE3, b. Vitoria, Guipuzcoa, Spain; d. 20 Feb 1635/36, Ciudad Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. MAGDALENADE MENDOZA-SALAZAR, Abt. 1568, Zacatecas, Mexico; b. Granada, Spain.
 
Notes for LT. CAPTAIN GENERALVICENTEDE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE:
He was the lieutenant captain general of the Viceroy, Don Martin Enriquez de Almanza.
This viceroy's served the king of Spain from November 5, 1568 to October 3, 1580.
Source: From the book's, Don Juan de Onate Colonizer of New Mexico by George P. Hammond and Northern New Spain, A research Guide by Thomas C. Barnes, Thomas H, Nayor, And Charles W. Polzer.
 
 
 
                 iii.       ALONSODE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE, m. ISABELDE VERGARA.
                 iv.       DIEGODE SALDIVAR-Y-ONATE.
 
 
3.  COUNTCRISTOBAL4DE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE(JUAN3PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL2PEREZ-DE-NARRIAHONDO, PEDRO1DE BAEZA)was born Abt. 1500 in Onate, Guipuzcoa, Spain, and died 06 Oct 1567 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.  He married CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENA1545 in Spain, daughter of GONZALODE SALAZARand CATALINADE-LA-CADENA-Y-MALVENA.  She was born Abt. 1510 in Granada, Andalusia, Spain, and died in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico?.
 
Notes for COUNTCRISTOBALDE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE:
In 1524, he and his family arrived in Mexico. By 1526, he was an official in Mexico City.
In the summer of 1539, he gave his friend, Coronado, two handsome horses. Only one horse survived Coronado's long expedition.
Hero of the Mixton War.
Inspector of finances for Nueva Galicia. In 1540 he succeeded Coronado as Governor of Nuevo Galicia, New Spain (Mexico). Guadalajara was it's capital city.
In 1548, Don Cristobal was one of the  founders and the wealthiest silver miner of Zacatecas, Mexico. Father of Juan de Onate, the celebrated founder of New Mexico
During the era of the Viceroy Don Antonio de Mendoza, he was the Conquistador of Suchilila.
Source: From the book's,
New Mexico Royal Road by Max L. Moorhead;
Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. (page 66 & 67).
Coronado, Knight of Pueblos and Plains by Herbert Eugene Bolton;
The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the Settling of the far Southwest, by Marc Simmons.
New Mexico's First Colonists, compiled and arranged by David H. Snow.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
With All Arms by Carl Laurence Duaine;
Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo.
and the Texas Handbook Online.
A.K.A. Cristobal de Onate y Narria.
 
Notes for CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENA:
Her grand-parents were members of the royal court of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain.
Source: With all Arms by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Her father was the lieutenant governor of all of New Spain and factor of the Royal treasury in Mexico.
Source: From the book, Don Juan de Onate Colonizer of New Mexico, by George P. Hammond.
Dona Catalina was twice married. 1st. Don Ruy Diaz de Mendoza. 2nd.Governor Cristobal de Onate.
In the book,The Last Conquistador, Juan de Onate and the settling of the far Southwest, the author,
Marc Simmons, list her 1st husband as Don Ruy Diaz de Mendoza.
>From both of her marriages, she left descendents who now live in Texas.
Source: Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, Saltillo Tomo II, by
Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 66.
Glory, God, and Gold, edited by Lewis Gannett.
       
Children of CRISTOBALDE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATEand CATALINASALAZAR-DE-CADENAare:
                   i.       ALCALDE MAYORFERNANDO5DE ONATE, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; d. Tacambaro, Michoacan, Mexico; m. LEONORDE RIVADENEIRA-Y-MERIDA.
 
Notes for ALCALDE MAYORFERNANDODE ONATE:
Source:Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, Saltillo Tomo II, by
Guillermo Garmendia Leal. Page 67.
A History of New Mexico by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, Alcala - 1610, translated by Gilberto Espinosa.
 
Notes for LEONORDE RIVADENEIRA-Y-MERIDA:
A.K.A, Dona Leonor Riva de Neira.
 
                  ii.       MARIADE ONATE-SALAZAR, m. JOSE-ANTONIODE ORDAZ; d. Puebla, Mexico.
                 iii.       ANTONIADE PEREZ-DE-ONATE-SALAZAR, b. Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. BERNARDOVASQUEZ-DE-TAPIA, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
 
Notes for BERNARDOVASQUEZ-DE-TAPIA:
His niece, Dona Guiomar Vasquez de Espinosa, was married to Don Luis Cortez. (Hernan Cortez's son).
 

Barbara,

I believe that you are seeking Agualeguas. It isthe name of a Ciudad and
one of the 51 Municipios of the Estado de Nuevo Leon.

It was erected as a village in 1821 and the 2000 census reported that
Agualeguas (the city) had 4,492 inhabitants.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

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  Spouse:  TEODORO ESCOVEDO Family
  Marriage:  21 MAY 1888   Guadalupe De Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

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