El Santo Oficio y los descendientes del Comendador Leonel Cervantes

Hola prim@s,

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So, I saw Manny’s post on the Santo Oficio and decided to take a look for myself. I found a proceso against Diego Flores, encomendero de Juchipila. I did not read it thoroughly, but some of the testimony includes the following intriguing details: an accusation of murder, veneno mortífero en la comida, and an hechicera.

Diego Flores of Juchipila is mentioned in a couple of threads out there (1, 2). I think this may be him.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C1VJ?i=6&cat=31792

Glenn

Arriaga in Villanueva, Zacatecas

Hello, I am searching for the line of Felipe Arriaga who was married to Regina Cervantes - also listed as Sandoval - from Villanueva, Zacatecas.

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Dear Cynthia,

This person seems to fit the timeline for the Felipe Arriaga married to Regina Servantes Sandoval.

Jose Felipe De Santiago Arriaga
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 May 1785
Christening Place San Miguel Arcángel, San Miguel de Allenda, Guanajuato, Mexico
Birth Date 01 May 1785
Birthplace San Benito
Father's Name Luis Antonio Arriaga
Mother's Name Maria Encarnacion
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGV9-HH1 : 12 December 2014), Jose Felipe De Santiago Arriaga, 13 May 1785; citing San Benito, reference ; FHL microfilm 797,208.

Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

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Your welcome Cynthia. You have more information on Regina then you do on Felipe so I would work on finding a connection between the Sevantes and the Sandoval families and see if you can find a Regina in that line.

Good Luck,
Rick

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I found Felipe Arriaga and Regina Cervantes' marriage record. I had to step back for awhile and then take another look at the records to see if I had missed anything. I had. One of their son's marriage record listed he originated from Silao. I had assumed that was a town in Villanueva until I searched Villanueva's marriage records again page by page and I found another sibling saying she was from Silao and she was born in 1807. She seemed to be the earliest born sibling so far, so I checked out the marriage records in Silao, Guanajuato which are not indexed and searched a couple of years before her birth and I found their 1805 marriage record listing parents. Felipe Arriaga's parents are Joseph Maria de Arriaga and Concepcion Vierra. Felipe Arriaga was born in San Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Joseph Maria was born in Leon, Guanajuato and his father was Joseph Antonio Arriaga married to Teresa Torres.

Cynthia

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Congratulations Cynthia,

Here are a four more records that you should look at and add to your research. The first is Felipe’s baptismal record. The second is a marriage record for Felipe so he was most likely married more than once. The third record record is his parents marriage record. The fourth and last record is a baptismal record of María Concepcion Viera daughter of Xavier (Francisco Xavier?) Viera and María Gertrudis (De la Candaleria?) (Vicente onHernandez ?). This last record is search for possibilities.

Name Phelipe De Jesus Arriaga Viera
Gender Male
Christening Date 18 Feb 1777
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Josef Arriaga
Mother's Name Maria Concepon. Viera
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TR-43X : 10 February 2018), Phelipe De Jesus Arriaga Viera, 18 Feb 1777; citing SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO

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could you provide dates and wives to get a clearer picture of them and the timeline. I have one Lopes de Arriaga married with 6th great uncle in 1728 in Pinos Zacatecas.

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Yes, I found Sostenes Arriaga's marriage record dated April 17, 1839 to Francisca de los Santos in Villanueava, Zacatecas; listing him as 19 years old; making his birth year 1820. I found these siblings death records in Jerez - Mariano, Pedro and Juana - listing their birth ages from 1810 thru 1828 - varies. I searched for his parents marriage records in Villanueva from 1794 thru 1818 page by page, but I did not find one Arriaga in Villanueva even though the records say they are from this area. His father was Felipe Arriaga and his mother was Regina Servantes.

Victor Velos and related famililies: brick walls

maria antonia velos in family search and or ancestry.com who is married to rafael martinez is my 5th great grandparents. maria antonia velos comes from a area known as grangenos, mexico in 1804.

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Hello Steph.

I completely agree with dcalonso.

There are two facts fully supported by documents:

1.- Maria Antonia married to Rafael Martinez is the one christened on 28 Feb 1804, the daughter of Valentino Velos and Guadalupe Lopez.

According to the christening record Maria Antonia was born in "El Grangero", the same place stated in the marriage record.

Maria Antonia and Rafael had a daughter named Maria Petra, perhaps their firstborn. She was christened on 04 Feb 1823. Her maternal grandparents are listed "Valentino Velos y Guadalupe Lopes" in the christening record of Maria Petra.

2.- Maria Antonia was not the biological daughter of Valentino and Guadalupe.

According to the "Informacion Matrimonial" Maria Antonia was the daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos. The first paragraph says:

"... comparecio Simon Martinez Padre legitimo de Rafael Martinez y Maria Antonia Velos Madre Natural de Maria Antonia Velos y dixeron que de su pura, y libre voluntad dan sus consentimientos

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ty for the clarifications after going back in my tree i also had noticed the same as mentioned fixing dates as i goes along. in the case of valentino velos and guadalupe lopes 3 childrens records were found by names of maria antonia, Hermion and Maria Ylaria Velos. the names that i have for valentinos parents are nazario velos and dorotea garcia who is my 7th great grandparents. the only record i can find in jalisco that matches well enough to birthdate to his is this record:https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgi…~

which is the closest i have came on this line since working on it . in family search record for jalisco, mexico lists a joseph nazario velos parents as juana maria no last maiden name and juachin velos.?

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Hello Steph.

1. Valentino and Guadalupe had at least one more son: Jose Toribio. He was christened on 1 Apr 1793:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TB-9P8

2. About the parents of Valentino:
It's very strange that the maternal grandparents listed in the christening record of Rafael and Maria Antonia's daughter Praxedis are Nazario Velos and Dorotea Garcia, the same names you have for Valentino's parents. So Maria Antonia would be placed as the sister of Valentino instead of Valentino's daughter.

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on the subject of valentinos and or maria antonia parents who are they exactly so i make sure that it is done correctly in my tree.

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i just looked at this family for only a few minutes so i don't know all that you know but there seems to be something going on here and i'm not sure what it is. possibly some sort of cover up for illegitimacy or just a lot of bad scribes that aren't paying attention.

on the marriage of your Maria Antonia Velos and Rafael Martinez he's listed as the son of Simon Martinez and Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Antonia Velos is listed as the illegitimate daughter of Maria Antonia Velos. That should normally end the discussion but all the baptisms say something different. If all the baptisms agreed I would say the baptisms were correct but since all the baptisms say something different that sort of points to the marriage record that Maria Antonia Velos is the illegitimate daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VBSJ-DN

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's daughter Praxedis Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as the daughter

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in my tree i shows a valentino velos married to maria guadalupe cordero and is parents to maria antonia velos. yep that is the ara and or birthdate for her . and i do agree too many indescrepancies with the records so it made it rather confusing to continues on the lineages of these particular families so far.

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Since Guadalupe Lopez also uses cordero she might be the daughter of Jose Lopez de Ortigoza and Mariana de los Dolores Cordero y Flores

Domingo Camarena / 1650 Padron for Jalostotitlán

I am working on my Camarena line and I am stuck at Domingo Camarena and Maria Gonzalez. I read that the Camarenas appear in the 1650 padron for Jalostotitlán.

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Gotchya. According to "Census Records for Latin America and the Hispanic United States" by Lyman Platt the 1650 Jalostitlan Census can be found at the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, Mexico and is not in Family Search

Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

Hello

I came across this information today:

The name Femá is also written as Femat, judging from two documents:

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I found a baptism for a child of the above named couple:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-GTH?i=345&wc=M6Q6…

Image 346
26 July 1721
Child: Joseph Joachin esp h l RINCON DE ROMOS
Father: Fermin Antonio Femat
Mother: Monica Lorenza de Vivar

Padrinos: Bernabe de Leon and Dona Maria de San Juan Femat

Regards
Denise

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Proceso de fe de Juan José Aguirre

Fermin Antonio Femat had a brother, Juan Jose Aguirre aka Femate, who was accused of making a pact with the devil. The record of the Inquisition can be read via PARES. I found it by putting the name "Femate" in the search engine. This link to the image might work too:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

The case involved a girl. My colonial Spanish is not that great, but the handwriting is easy enough.

Regards
Denise

Se reactivo la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación

Hola a los genealogistas:

Desde ayer encontré que se reactivó por fin, la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación que contiene, entre otros, los documentos de la época virreinal.

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Genealogy Bank

Has anyone tried using Genealogy Bank? What was your experience? They keep advertising on several cites I'm on and was wondering if anyone had tried them. Thank you, D. Corona

jose simon martinez and or maria rosalia delgadillo

been actively online again searching for jose simon martinez and his wife maria rosalia delgadillo. he was born roughly about 1760 mexico and she also was born about 1765 .

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Dear Steph Martinez,

I did some more research and went back some more generations where they hook up with other research that I had previously done for my family tree . The line hooks up with the Ruiz de Esparza family so there is descent from Moctezuma, as well as descent from Lope Ruiz de Esparza junior.

Rick A. Ricci

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Miguel Martin married on 12/Nov/1719 to Efigenia Lucresia de Lira in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. Image # 202 out of 456 in film # 641015

Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married twice, first to Maria Yldefonsa Sedillo on 12/Feb/1746, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. (Daughter of Nicolas Sedillo and Josepha de Torres.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes

Rick A. Ricci

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Parents of Simon and Rosalia are listed in the christening record (May 22 1803) of their daughter Maria Prudencia:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJF-P

Here is the christening record (Jan 15 1794) of their daughter Maria Manuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJX-3

María Prudencia and Maria Manuela were sisters because both of them were born in a place called Juachi or El Juachi and it also proves Rosalia Delgadillo was a.k.a. Rosa Delgado.

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Maria Rosalia Delgadillo (aka Delgado) is the daughter of Josse Regino Delgado and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)

Godparents are Valtazar (Balthazar) Fuentes and Maria Polonia Delgadillo

The Godmother is also a daughter of Josse Regino Delgadillo (Delgado) and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)

The godfather is a son of Manuel Fuentes and Maria de Los Dolores Servantes.

Jose Andres Delgadillo is a brother to Maria Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Polonia Delgadillo He is married to Maria Nicolaza Lira (daughter of Joseph de Lira and Maria Candida.

Here is a record that needs to be researched to see if there is a possible connection:

Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Mexico Baptisms
Name Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Oct 1736
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Joseph Miramontes
Mother's Name Bernarda Flores
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org

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I forgot to explain why it is important to investigate the existence of a dispensation for the marriage of Maria Mauricia Martinez and Vicente Flores. The parents of Maria Mauricia Martinez are Simon Martinez and Maria Rosalia Delgadillo. The parents of Maria Rosalia Delgadillo are Josse Regino Delgado (Delgadillo) and Maria Isabel Flores (aka/Miramontes). The Delgado and Flores ancestry are the lines that are most likely shared by Maria Mauricia's husband Vicente Flores Delgado. The parents of Vicente are Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado (Delgadillo). A dispensation may provide common ancestors or clues since Maria Antonia Delgadillo is most likely related to Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores Miramontes is most likely related to Clemente Flores. Searching through the baptismal records of the children of Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado may also provide information that could help in finding the parents of Josse Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores

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Important to Research this record to see if there is a letter of dispensation that shows that the bride, Maria Mauricia Martinez, and groom, Vicente Flores, are related through both the Delgadillo and the Flores lines.

Name. Vicente Flores
Birth Date 1787
Age 32
Spouse's Name Maria Mauricia Martinez
Spouse's Birth Date 1795
Spouse's Age 24
Event Date 18 Feb 1819
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Clemente Flores
Mother's Name Maria Antonia Delgado
Spouse's Father's Name Simon Martinez
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Rosalia Delgadillo
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZV-9FJ : 15 July 2015), Simon Martinez in entry for Vicente Flores and Maria Mauricia Martinez, 18 Feb 1819; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,017.

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yes correct rosa Delgado aka Delgadillo was known by both names in some of the records I have viewed through family search and through ancestry.com she was my 6th great grandmother. I currently also found about 8 of her children and yes correct maria Manuela and or maria prudencia is those children of hers. thank you kindly for that.

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I forgot to add that Jose Simon Martinez is the son of Fernando Martinez and Maria Bernarda Ortiz. That information is found in the baptismal record of Maria Prudencia that Ruben Hernandez provided.

Here are possible leads on Fernando Martinez:

Fernando Antto. Martin
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Name Fernando Antto. Martin
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 14 Jun 1747
Event Place Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Prudensio Martin
Mother's Name Felipa Antta.
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6QG-9HP : 16 February 2017), Fernando Antto. Martin, 14 Jun 1747; citing Baptism, Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 640,151.

Joseph Prudencio Martines
Mexico Baptisms
Name Joseph Prudencio Martines
Gender Male
Christening

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Dear Steph,

There are two Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples, with enough similarities that they can be confused as being the same couple but there is evidence that distinguishes them. One of the Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples is español while the other Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel are mulatos libres.

This Jose Simon Martines and Maria Rosalia Barthola Gonzales Delgadillo is the same couple that is your family. The surnames Delgadillo, Delgado, and Gonzalez were all used by both Maria Rosalia and her father Jose Regino.

1) Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderon Orosco are the parents of Juan Delgadillo who is married to Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas)

2) Juan Delgadillo and Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas) are the parents of at least two sons, Juan Delgadillo y Gonzalez (Junior) and Diego Delgadillo Gonzalez.

3) juan Delgadillo Gonzalez (junior) is married to Elvira Martinez de Alarcon and are the parents

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i did go look for the record and looking to me on fernando it cites prudencio for the father and or a woman by name of felipa for the mother which is fantastic news to me. and thank you for the record to confirm the differentiality of the persons in the one i couldnt view at the time . after reviewing informations and or notations in the groups of here i couldnt help but notice that you was a family member and to me that is awesome news! hi cousin rick ricci lol . this just made my day! i do hopes to do this dna test i keeps reading about i may start with the ancestry.com one first and see where it goes and or do the others later on as the coronado side of the family is virtuously stuck in brick wall when it has to do with my grandfather andres coronado and grandmother of mine by name of maria amat. but compared to over 10 yrs ago for records i couldnt be more happier as my great grandparents died exactly 4 years before i was even born and to me that is priceless learning about them

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Dear Steph,

Prudencio is not the grandfather of Jose Simon Martinez. I had mentioned Prudencio Martinez only as something to be checked out as a possibility. It has been ruled out as The correct line goes like this:

1) Jose Simon Martinez is Named as the son of Fernando Martinez but Fernando Martinez is properly named as Bernardo (Bernardino) de la O Martin.

2) Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.

3) Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)

Miguel Martin married

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fantastic reading on this database i have been going back and forth. beautiful name of my grandma back then i was wondering it says of the islands am i correct ? how should i import her name into my roots magic or family tree maker? is it maria de la concepcion or how?

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Jose Regino Delgadillo Gonzalez most likely descends from one of two Delgadillo Gonzalez lines. To distinguish them, one is called the Delgaldillo Gonzalez line while I refer to the other one as the Delgado Gonzalez line. If we find that Mauricia is not related to her husband then Regino most likely descends from the Delgadillo Gonzalez line that I listed earlier. If they are related then Regino descends from the Delgado Gonzalez line that are ancestors of Mauricia's husband. I am going to look for a letter of dispensation before I list the other line. This other Delgado Gonzalez line is the one that leads into the Ruiz de Esparza family and Moctezuma. I am related to both the Delgadillo Gonzalez line and the Delgado Gonzalez line.

Rick A. Ricci

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while going to my family tree area to imports information i happened to notice for the area of cinega de matas, jalisco, mexico regarding marriages through family search there was names of antonia rosalia and or a anna maria delgado for following references they can be found through family search ie:familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A"maria%20rosalia%20barthola"~%20%2Bsurname%3Adelgadillo~%20%

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…

)a maria ysabel and juan delgado was present for both marriages) i was wondering if they were sisters of my maria rosalia delgadillo?

Agustin de Cordoba and Ines Martinez Calvillo

Im wondering if anyone has this couple Agustin de Cordoba and Ines Martinez Calvillo in their tree.

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Hi Danny,

I don’t have this couple in my tree, but here are a couple of leads:

Agustin de Cordoba and Ynes Martinez Calvillo were mulatos libres. As you know, in a lot of cases, Mulatos took on the surnames of the families they worked for. During that era, there was a hacendado in Ags named Luis de Cordoba, as well as a family named Martinez Calvillo. I don’t know anything about Luis de Cordoba, but the Martinez Calvillo appear to descend from Joseph Martinez Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez, who lived previously in San Felipe Gto and in Marfil Gto; they appear in Aguascalientes in the 1650s, and had about 10 children. I’ve also seen this surname in Zamora, Mich, though I haven’t been able to link them.

Agustin might come from Luis de Cordoba’s hacienda. Ynes Martinez Calvillo, on the other hand, is surely linked to the Martinez Calvillo, as a daughter (legitimate or illegitimate) or as a criado (or child of a criado). I mention Joseph Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez in this thread: http:/

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Hola Danny:

Yo también tengo una abuela llamada Victoria de Córdoba que nació el 16 de enero de 1746 en Ciénega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. Era hija de Atanasio de Córdoba nacido en 1724 en Encarnación y de María Hermenegilda de los Dolores Martínez.

Muy cerca de Encarnación había una zona llamada "de las negritas" en donde había familias de personas negras. También en Ciénega de Mata había cientos de esclavos, por lo que en esa zona había población mulata.

Hay varios libros sobre los descendientes que mencionan sus linajes, se mencionan en el artículo Esclavos o Libres, en el blog Historias y Recuerdo de Encarnación, tal vez te sirva.

Saludos

Marcelina

Juan Sanches Salgado and Victoria Ballin

These two are my 8th great-grandparents, from Nochistlan. Approximate DOB for Juan is 1705 and for Victoria is 1708.

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Hello Rick.

This couple christened 4 of their children in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco between the years 1708 and 1721 according to the results of the following search on FamilySearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&localeSubcountryName=Jalisco&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amanuela%20%2Bsurname%3Alupercio~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1670-1695~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3Asanches~%20%2Brecord_country%3AMexico%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Mexico%2CJalisco%22

If this is your Juan Sanchez, he should have been born before 1690.

I hope this information helps in your research.

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Hola Rick:

Hay una discusión previa sobre ésta familia bajo el título "Diego Vallin husban of Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, te convendría revisarlo.

Los participantes señalan que hay varios árboles genealógicos que señalan que la familia proviene de Francia, sin aportar pruebas. Yo encontré un libro y algún artículo sobre la historia de la imprenta en México que señala que esa familia tenía imprenta en Salamanca, España y obtuvieron licencia para poner una imprenta en la ciudad de México, se sabe que la familia era de origen francés porque Pedro Balli era traductor de la misma, aunque él había nacido en Salamanca, fue hijo de Juan Bautista Balli y de Catalina Rodríguez, pasó a Nueva España por Cédula del 15 de julio de 1569. Tuvo 5 hijos el Licenciado Juan Bautista Balli que escribió un memorial dirigido a la corona, Jerónimo quien heredó la imprenta y murió joven y tres mujeres que quedaron bajo la manutención de su hermano.

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/historia-de-la

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Pierre Vailly, también conocido como Pedro Bailli, fue residente de Salamanca. Su familia tenía raíces en Francia, Italia, y España. Algunos genealogogos tiene sus antepasados de los Vailly en Italia que vienen a España en 1300’s, pasan a Francia donde se casan con francés. En los 1500’s encontramos la familia en Francia donde nace el padre de Pierre en Strasbourg, Alsace Lorraine, Francia. Su padre pasa a Italia donde se casa con una italiana/española y nace Pierre/Pedro. La familia pasa a España y se asientan en Salamanca antes de pasar a mexico. En Francia esta familia Vailly dejó su marca en la region de Alsace Lorraine. Hay un pueblo en esta región donde se encuentra un tipo de “multiple sclerosis “ que es diferente de otro tipos.

En 1900’s encontramos descendientes de Pierre Vailly,/Pedro Bailli en Pegueros Jalisco Mexico que también han heredado esta forma de “multiple Sclerosis “. Estos Martin del Campo De Pegueros son mis primos terceros y cuartos. Las familias que

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Hola Rick:

Me dejaste asombrada. Yo conozco a una mujer muy bella que tiene esclerosis múltiple y resulta que se apellida Barba, creo que su mamá es de Jalisco, me contaron que el médico les dijo que había mayor incidencia en las personas de ojos azules y ésta chica los tiene azules.

Yo también desciendo tanto de los Barba como de los Martin. ¿Sabes si los miembros de ésta familia tengan algún protocolo de tratamiento?

Gracias por la inofrmación

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

La línea de Los Barba en mis notas termina con la información que me paso Ing. José de Jesús Barba Ornelas. Hoy día no hemos hayado una línea de Barba en Francia. Hay muchos Martin del Campo que se han casado con Barba. La esclerosis múltiple viene por lo Martin del Campo por ser descendientes de Pierre Vailly. Mi esposa viene de una familia donde se casaron Martin del Campo y Barba muchas veces. Los padres de una de sus tatarabuelas se apellidan Barba Martin del Campo y Martin del Campo Barba. Los padres de su tatarabuela eran primos hermanos, por lo Barba y también por lo Martin del Campo. Por eso también vas a ver esclerosis múltiple también en la familia Barba.

Las mujeres de está familia que yo conozco que han heredado esclerosis múltiple también han heredado la belleza.

Ricardo A. Ricci

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Hola Ricardo:

La sorpresa también tiene otros aspectos. Hace unos 20 años viví en cierta colonia, mi vecina de al lado se apellida Barba Martín y es de Jalostotitlán y me platicaba mucho sobre su familia. No muy lejos estaba otra familia de apellido Barba a la que pertenece la chica con la esclerosis, en aquél entonces le pregunté tanto a mi amiga como a la madre de la segunda familia si estaban emparentadas, dijeron que tal vez sí, pero ya no quisieron indagar más al respecto. Recientemente y gracias a tus investigaciones y las de otros compañeros me he enterado que yo desciendo tanto de Pedro Vailly, como de los Muñoz de la Barba y de los Martín del Campo.

Es decir, coincidimos en cierto espacio y tiempo pero ya ninguna de las tres vive en aquélla colonia, aunque compartimos los mismos ancestros.

Hasta ahora me he enterado, porque mi bisabuela materno paterna Juana Cuéllar Murguía fue una persona poco valorada en la familia y no se habló jamás de sus orígenes, lo único que se

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Hola Marcelina,

Gracias por contarme de tus amigas Barba y Martin De Jalostotitlan. Estas son las familias de mi esposa, y también las mías. Si conozco el pdf de los Villaseñor que mencionas. Tiene mucha información y es un buen trabajo. Pero tiene por lo menos dos errores que yo he encontrado. Alamejor hay más pero yo no más he encontrado a dos errores.

Gracias ,
Ricardo A. Ricci

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When I first found out that I had so much Martin del Campo ancestry I was surprised. Then I thought to myself “ no wonder some family members have hearing issues.” But no close members of my family have multiple Sclerosis. The closest family members that I knew with multiple Sclerosis were fourth cousins, or so I thought. I found out yesterday that a second cousin that I hadn’t seen in a couple of decades had come down with symptoms soon after I last saw her. She passed away a couple years ago after succumbing to the symptoms. She didn’t come down with symptoms until she was an adult. My fourth cousins that suffered from multiple Sclerosis all experienced some symptoms prior to becoming adults.

Rick. A. Ricci

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Hola Rick:

Hubo una familia de impresores franceses que pasaron a vivir a Salamanca, España, tiempo después emigraron a la ciudad de México en donde tuvieron una imprenta también, sus descendientes pasaron a Nueva Galicia.

Uno de ellos Jerónimo Vailly o Valli aparece en varias obras sobre la historia de la imprenta en México. éste apellido fue escrito con variantes como Balli, Bailli, y posiblemente esté relacionado con tu abuela Victoria.
En el reciente post sobre la carta de dote de Alfonsina de la Paz subido por J. Refugio Hermosillo se menciona a alguien de esa familia.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Marcelina,
Muchísimas gracias - que interesante. Son cosas como estas que me impulsan mucho a seguir adelante con mis investigaciones, no obstante lo difícil que pueda ser.

Casa de Diego de Coria

Hola! compañeros esta es la segunda ocasión que pido ayuda .

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The connection of the Dorantes Carranza family to the Lopez Peralta family is of paramount importance when dissecting what Dorantes Carranza jr. wrote. If I didn't know of this connection, I would find everything he wrote on this family as suspect since it presents a very old Diego Coría marrying a very young daughter of Jeronimo Lopez Peralta. But since I do know that the Dorantes Carranza family is closely related, and were involved with the Lopez Peralta family, I take the part of a Diego Coría marrying and having a child named Diego Coría Peralta as the truth. Checking the time frame does not allow any other generation between Diego Coría Peralta and Manuel Coría Peralta. This timeline is based on wills, marriage dates, and birth dates

What I'm not convinced of is the identity of the Diego Coria married to Maria Mendoza. It is not impossible, but it is unlikely, that this Diego Coría is the same Diego Coría that was a conquistador. I believe that it is much more likely that he

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Hola a todos:

La descendencia de Don Gerónimo López conquistador de México es algo confusa ya que la escritura de Mayorazgo imponía le condición de que el sucesor s fuera hombre o mujer se llamara Jerónimo o Jerónima.

Los descendientes impusieron a sus hijos nombres como: Luis Jerónimo, Juan Gerónimo, Francisco Jerónimo o María Gerónima, Ana Jerónima, etc.
En el caso de la familia Coria creo que si emparentó directamente con la descendencia de Don Gerónimo López, Caballero del Largarto.

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Hola a todos:

Es evidente que los dos conquistadores estaban relacionados ya que hicieron su relación de méritos y servicios juntos:

Información de méritos y servicios Diego de Coria y Jerónimo López, Portal Pares PATRONATO,78-a, N.1, R.5

Hay una diversa información que fue realizada a petición de Gerónimo López para hacer constar su posesión sobre "Chapultepeque" que puede verse en línea como:

Información hecha a pedimento del conquistador Jerónimo López 1530-1539 en www.biblioteca.tvEn dicho procedimiento Diego de Coria compareció como testigo a favor de Gerónimo.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo he estudiado la familia de los Lopez de Peralta por muchos años. Primero los estudie por el parentesco con los Sanchez de Velasco. Yo he podido juntar mucha informacíon que explica el Arbol familiar. Yo desciendo de la familia Lopez Peralta.

Donde todavia tengo una duda es " cual Diego de Coria es el que se caso con la hija del tesorero Geronimo Lopez de Peralta (II)?" Cuando genealogos hicieron el error de nombrar a Jeronimo Lopez (1) como el suegro de Diego Coria fue cuando muchos genealogos Hacen el error de nombra al conquistador diego de Coria como el suegro, pero creo que es mas probable que el esposo es hijo o nieto del " Viego"

Gracias,
Ricardo

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Hola Ricardo:

Creo que puedes tener razón, ya que Don Gerónimo nació en el siglo XV. Ya había leído sobre esta familia y su herencia en Salvatierra, Guanajuato, recuerdo una gigantesca hacienda abandonada, pero realmente no la he estudiado.

Las fechas que conozco son muy generales y se encuentran en la sección Gen-mex de la página bisabuelos.com en donde dice que Don Gerónimo se casó con Doña Ana Carrillo de Peralta, descendiente de la casa de Falces. Para saber con precisión con quien se casó cada quien -algunos se casaban varias veces- sería necesario conocer los testamentos o los contratos de matrimonio.

Encontré en Familysearch que el día 7 de enero de 1544 se bautizó a Alonso, hijo de Diego de Coria e Isabel de Chávez. Creo que se trata del conquistador pues los padrinos son varios y todos importantes: Don Juan Negrete, Arcediano, Don Diego (no pude leerlo) Chantre, Don Álvaro Timiño maestre escuela y Don Rafael de Cervantes, tesorero.

En aquella época se designaba a los

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Hola de nuevo:

Diego de Coria nació hacia 1500 en Alcalá e Guadaira, Sevilla hijo de Alonso de Coria y Leonor Rodríguez, casó tres veces:

Esposa 1.- Violante Rodríguez hacia 1527.
Esposa 2.- Isabel de Chávez hacia 1536, hija del conquistador Hernando de Chávez.
Esposa 3.- María de Mendoza hacia 1549, hija del conquistador Gerónimo López y de su primera esposa Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza.

Hijos: Hernando, Alonso, Manuel y Diego.

Gerónimo López, conquistador y vecino de Colima también se casó tres veces:

Esposa 1.- Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza con quien tuvo dos hijas: María Concepción y Ana, ambas de Mendoza.
Esposa 2.- Catalina Álvarez de Contreras con quien tuvo a Gerónimo López El Mozo que fue quien se casó con Ana Carrillo de Peralta.
Esposa 3.- Mencía de Rivera con quien tuvo siete hijos.

Fuente: libro (online) "Los testigos hablan.La conquista de Colima y sus informantes". Margarita Nettel Ros p. 227

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

El error que hemos hecho muchos genealogos es revolver la informacíon.

Diego de Coria el conquistador se caso con su tercera esposa, Maria Mendoza, hija de conquistador Geronimo Lopez (1).
Otro Diego Coria, hijo o nieto del conquistador, se caso con una hija de Geronimo Lopez (II) "El Mozo" y Ana Carillo de Peralta.
La hija se fue de Monja despues de quedar viuda.
Como Mendoza aparece en la descendencia de la familia, genealogos hacen el error de pensar de que la linea viene de Maria Mendoza, la tercera esposa del conquistador Diego Coria. Pero es un gran error. Lo Mendoza de Los "Coria y Lopez Peralta viene por una linea materna de una abuela de los Peralta.

Yo he verificado la linea de los Lopez Peralta. El problema sigue siendo "cual de Los tres hombres nombrado Diego de Coria es esposo de la hija de Geronimo Lopez (II) el Mozo, ( tambien conocido como el tesorero)?"

Como queda viuda, y se hace monja, yo creo que es mas probable que el marido es Diego Coria

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Hola Ricardo:

Pues yo creo que es correcta la información de la autora porque revisó todas las informaciones de méritos y servicios y los documentos antiguos, así como varios autores.

Creo que Gerónimo López I al nacer alrededor de 1500 se casó en terceras nupcias con María de Mendoza, él con 49 años y ella con más de veinte; y que por lo tanto Diego de Coria I fue el suegro de Gerónimo López I.

Esto no impide que las dos familias volvieran a entroncar en la generación siguiente o que se casaran con alguna persona de apellido similar, como Mendoza. Seguramente en el Archivo General de la Nación existen los documentos del mayorazgo López de Peralta, pero la Guía General sigue inactiva y hay problemas políticos por una ley de censura a los archivos históricos que se está proponiendo. Entonces resulta que debemos de esperar a que la reactiven.

Voy a revisar dos árboles genealógicos que están en Geneanet, uno Chantal Laurent y otro de Guillermo Tovar y de Teresa (monardes)

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En el trabajo "Jerónimo López: un conquistador entre la reivindicación y el arbitrismo.

de Isabel Arenas Frutos visible en acuedi.org/ddata/9648PDF se analiza el testamento y la historia de sus hijas, en donde se menciona la que fue monja y que Baltasar Dorantes de Carranza la desengañó, no se llega a hablar de Diego de Coria.

Se confirma lo de los tres matrimonios de Gerónimo López. En el mensaje anterior expresé la relación contraria entre Gerónimo y Diego, sorry.

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo tengo mucha informacíon sober esta familia. Yo tengo la informacíon de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa sobre esta familia. tambien tengo informacíon de los hijos y nietos de Geronimo Lopez (II) el Mozo (el tesorero) y su esposa Ana Carillo de Peralta. Tambien he Corregido un error sobre la ascendencia de Ana Carillo de Peralta.

Saludos,
Ricardo

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1). Diego Coría Married to Maria Mendoza aka Ana de San Bernardo

2). Diego Coría y Mendoza Peralta and wife unknown at this time

3). Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin

The family of Maria Mendoza guides the possible birth dates.

Maria Mendoza is most likely the sister that took the religious name Ana de San Bernardo when she became a nun.

Maria Mendoza Lopez De Peralta is born after 1567, most likely born in 1576, ninth born to Jeronimo el mozo. (There was one set of twins before her.)

#2 Diego Coría Mendoza Lopez Peralta s born after 1591

# 3 Manuel Coria Peralta born Circa 1607

Even though it is stated that the Diego Coría that marries the daughter of Jeronimo Lopez el tesorero, is the conquistador, it seems unlikely, though not impossible. He would have been very old. What is significant is that Jeronimo Lopez de Peralta and his daughter are identified as such and that they are identified by a relation of theirs. By a relation that knew the daughters

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It is written that Manuel was from the first marriage and is not son of Maria Mendoza. If this is true then Manuel does not have Peralta as part of his surname. Then the son Diego Coría y Mendoza is the father of Manuel Coría Peralta that is married to Catalina Lomelin. So it would look like this:

1) Alonso Coría and Leonor Rodriguez

2) Diego Coría y Rodriguez. El Viejo. Married to Maria Mendoza Peralta

3) Diego Coría y Mendoza Peralta and wife unknown at this time

4) Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin

The family of Maria Mendoza guides the possible birth dates of # 3 and # 4.

# 4 Manuel Most likely born circa 1590/1600

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Catalina de Soria b.1547 Torrijos, Espana married to Gaspar de Villanueva Sandoval (Torrijos, Espana)arrived sometime before 1579 (Baltazar de Villanueva Sandoval possibly first born) Also Felipe de Peralta accused Baltazar of gambling lots of money September of 1623.

I found this information in Diccionario Biografico de los Antiguos Pobladores de San Luis Potosi, by Rafael Morales Bocardo

Not sure if it helps.

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Dear Simona,

Although it is very possible that he is related to the Coría family that I am writing about, she does not descend from the Lopez Peralta family. Geronimo Lopez y Alvarez Cabrera married to Ana Carrillo de Peralta married after she was born, and their daughter that married the Coría family is born after the marriage and she was not one of the first born. Maria Mendoza was younger than at least one brother and sister as they are identified a as such.

The information you are providing is interesting and I will follow up on it to see if there is any relation to the Corias and Peraltas in my family.

Thanks for providing the info,
Rick A. Ricci

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I forgot to add that if this Dorantes Carranza is the same man that was involved n a scandalous incident with one of Jeronimo Lopez's daughters then he would know if Diego Coría had married into this family. He was a relation that had to run for his life before things calmed down and he got away with just paying a big fine. Due to his actions and others doing the same thing, the Catholic Church changed a rule concerning marriage. The daughter that he was involved with eventually became a nun.

Marcelina may know more about him if he is the same man as he was also involved with a daughter from the Laguna Bravo family. A member of the Peralta family married a member of the Laguna Bravo family so they too were related to the Lopez Peralta family

Since Diego Coría el viejo has a son named Diego Coría, it is possible that people have confused the two and it is the younger Diego Coria that is the one that marries Maria Mendoza. The problem with this theory though is that the

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Diego Coría el viejo

Some of the dates that I read on the Diego Coría (el viejo) that marries Maria Mendoza, daughter of Jeronimo Lopez cannot be true.

Diego Coría 'el viejo' is the son of Alonso Coría and Leonor Rodriguez.
(His mother remarries after becoming a widow and has issue from the second marriage).

Diego Coría el viejo has a first marriage to Isabel Chavez, a daughter of Conquistador Hernando de Chavez (5 children) (Hernando Chavez is a brother to conquistador Gutierre de Badajoz). It seems that Isabel Chavez dies while giving birth to their last child in 1550.

Diego el viejo is then said to marry Maria Mendoza, a daughter of Jeronimo Lopez el tesorero.

The problems with what genealogists are taking as facts begin here. It looks like genealogists are mistakenly saying that Diego's father in law is the elder "viejo Jeronimo Lopez. The father has three wives and one of them is surnamed Alvarez Mendoza. Some genealogist mistakenly believe that Maria Mendoza is her

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Ignacio,
Me podías esclarecer la genealogía que mencionaste sobre los Soria desde el más antiguo hasta nuestro Manuel de Soria Peralta, inclusive el vínculo entre Gerónimo López, según el libro Relación de Conquistadores que utilizaste? Discúlpame por no comprender muy bien. Gracias antemano. Tengo algunos fuentes que te interesará de los Archivos de Valladolid. Sobre todas estas familias: Villaseñor, López de Peralta, Figueroa, etc. Sé que el grupo es estrictamente de la Nueva Galicia más esta familia está tan vinculado tanto en ella como en el Obispado de Michoacán.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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Ignacio,
Que interesante el fuente que encontraste sobre la genealogía de D. Diego de Soria. Ahora, bien, parece que el Gerónimo López de Peralta, talvez sea vinculado con el mismo Gerónimo López de Peralta quien fundo el Mayorazgo de los López de Peralta. Le he estudiado bien y revisaré mis fuentes para ver si tal vínculo existe o la posibilidad. La única cosa que me preocupa es el tiempo que los dos vivieron. Sobre los Soria también sé la posibilidad que fuesen descendientes de las Doce Linajes de Soria que es otra tema extensiva para abordar en otra ocasión. Me puedes enviar el fuente que tienes sobre aquel libro a mi correo electrónico. mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Carlos Peredo

Hola Daniel e Ignacio

Me parece que la fuente de que habla Ignacio es el libro de Dorantes de Carranza "Sumaria Relación de las Cosas de la Nueva España" que está en la red. Es un libro muy interesante ya que lo escribió el hijo de aquel legendario explorador de la malograda expedición que se perdió en Florida y después de como tres años los únicos sobrevivientes (Dorantes Carranza Sr. , un esclavo mulato que creo se llamaba Estevanico y otro español que no recuerdo) llegaron a Sinaloa donde había una avanzada de españoles. Recuerdo que se relata que llegaron casi desnudos y renegridos por el sol y apenas vivos. Me parece que el libro fue escrito a principios de los 1,600´s.

El libro que yo bajé de internet fue publicado en 1902 paleografiado por Don José María de Agreda y Sánchez y tiene una anotación manuscrita en que alguien señala que el original se escribió en 1604.

En mi opinión es posible que algunos capítulos los halla escrito Don Baltazar Dorantes en ese año

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Muchas gracias! por la información tengo la seguridad que sera de gran ayuda,a los que, estamos en esta búsqueda. tengo en mi Árbol a la Tia Bernardina y a algunas de sus Hijas espero le sea de alguna ayuda .estaré en la Sagrada Mitra de Gudalajara e tiene algún consejo sobre los datos que allá puedo obtener? aquí tiene las Hijas de Bernardina Lomelin de Coria Peralta y Joseph de Villaseñor Figueroa Dorothea Villaseñor Lomelin nació el 24 Mar 1659 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico
Franca. Figueroa Coria nació el 23 Mayo 1660 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico
Maria de Villaseñor Lomelín nació el 3 Mayo 1663 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico

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la única que! nació en Sayula fue casada con el Señor Capitán Bartolome de Llerena y Ayala contador de la caja real de Guadalajara. procreando
a:
Nicolassa Antonia Llerena Villaseñor
n. 25 septiembre 1688, b. 12 octubre 1688 san Francisco de Asis, Jocotepec, Jalisco. Capitán Bartolome de Llerena y Ayala se casó (viudo de Marcela de Villaseñor Lomelin) 31 agosto 1670 sagrario metropolitano, Guadalajara con Francisca de Renteria Bocanegra.

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Thank you for this information. I have been concentrating my efforts recently on the Brambila y Arriaga family in Michoacán and Jalisco. Are there any possibilities that the documents from Michoacán will be indexed in the near future?
Deedra Corona

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yo solo encontré esta pagina por Internet pero no sabia el de este libro ,pero el Sr Señor Carlos A. Peredo fue tan gentil de darnos una pista mejor dicho el nombre de el libro. libro de Dorantes de Carranza "Sumaria Relación de las Cosas de la Nueva España"

Lope de Ruiz Esparza lineage, dead end

Hello. I'm trying to trace my lineage to Lope de ruiz esparza. I started in Guadalajara where my dad is from, to Cocula, to Amatlan in Nayarit.

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I couldn't really find anything except the sons marriage, although it looks like the actual last name is Barbosa, so its probably the mother that's named Esparza. sorry i couldnt help

Assistance with transcribing marriage record

Hello,

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the part that i can read say:

En ______ (ma)yo de mil setecientos y veinte años, el licenciado ______ cura _____ Juez Eclesiástico de esta villa, case y vele in facie (ecclesiae) por palabras de presente y de su mutuo consentimiento habiendo precedido las tres amonestaciones y de mas diligencias que ordena y manda el santo concilio a Thomas de Ochoa, español ____ (con) (Jua)na Maria Verdugo, española vecina de este real, estando presentes, el ___ don Joseph Subiate y don Joseph de la Campa y ____ don Alonso Montaño y otros muchos presentes y para que conste (lo firme) Ut Supra

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Thanks, I really appreciate your help - I'm also looking at these other names to see if I can find any other family links by looking at military musters. I've found de la Campa and Montano in military musters.
Thank you again for helping me,
Yo

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If matrimonial investigations exist for this parish in this time period, it will have information not in the marriage record. In some parishes many of the early matrimonial investigations are missing, and they are often not in chronological order. For a marriage without complications, that is no dispensation, they are often 4-6 weeks prior to the marriage.

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George,

I checked and there doesn't look like there's any IM's for that parish. But yes the matrimonial investigations are usually a great help. Especially the one's you did for Aguascalientes. I use them all the time.

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In 1719 in chihuahua theres a marriage for a Joseph de la Campa and Josepha de Subiate. The Joseph de la Campa is probably the same one as on your record. He's also probably the brother in law to the Joseph de Subiate on your record, who im guessing is the brother of the bride Josepha de Subiate.

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JH51-B5F : 10 February 2018), Josseph De La Campa and Maria Jossepha De Subiate, 25 Mar 1719; citing El Sagrario,Chihuahua,Chihuahua,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 162,689.

Padrones

Good Evening,
I've recently run across an 1839 Padrones for Asientos, Aguas. on FamilySearch.
Went through it all and found some useful information.

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Hello,

I good source is the book by Lyman Platt. "Census records for latin america and the hispanic united states" at the family history library the book is : 980 X23pc 1998
I hope helps

sus

Indexed info available for some Obispado de Michoacan records.

Hello,

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Yes, I'm willing to help. Assign me one to work on. Thank you, Deedra

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Just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have signed up to help! We're following up with you offline to get the ball rolling. If you wish to help, please send an email to

valladoliddispensas@googlegroups.com

Deedra, when you get a chance, can you send us email to that above address and we'll get you added to the group?

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Hello,

It's been a little over a year since I first posted about starting the Valladolid (Morelia, Michoacan) dispensa project. I'm very happy to report that we've just indexed our 100th film!

I wanted to publicly thank all the volunteers that have made this possible so quickly! We have a long way to go, but, we've made good progress and for that I thank each and every one of you who have helped!

For everyone else, if you haven't checked out the website, please check it out. While your focus might be on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes... You'll be surprised to find out that some of our/your ancestors from Jalisco, etc had roots in the Obispado de Michoacan, i.e. modern-day Michoacan, Colima, San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato, and Guerrero. Please come on over and as we have a nice selection of indexed films from the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s.

Here's the link to website:

https://www.valladoliddispensas.com

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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We all appreciate it, Daniel. This will help everyone with their research.
Chris 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 5:38 PM, themexican@outlook.com wrote:

It is a labor of love and I owe a huge part to our volunteers who have done
an amazing job of helping out. They made it possible to get to 100 indexed
films so quickly! Daniel Serna Valencia

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Lo haremos primo!

Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 3:20 PM, "enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com" wrote:
>
> Count on me! I also shared your project on my Facebook page "Historias y
> Genealogía" and invited my subscribers to join in. Good luck, Enrique Agraz
>

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Count me in, I have tried to get a group together on to finish extracting the Guadalajara and Valladolid dispensas and other pertinent records.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Where can you find Real Audencia of Guadalajara Documents?

The Real Audencia Government of Guadalajara, Nueva Espana (Jalisco, Mexico) had political jurisdiccion over several provinces during Nueva Espana days.

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Other part of Real Audiencia archives is in Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara
Adress: Calle Esmeralda 2486, Col. Victoria, Guadalajara, Jal.

I do not why but the archive was separetly in tw parts, Juan Jose Arreola Library and Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara

Caste category

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the term castizo was rarely used in my experience. usually those 1/4 native and 3/4 spanish were called espanol

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Hi,

This last one comment is correct a Castizo is the child of a Spanish with a Mestizo (1/2 native and 1/2 Spanish) so the child would be as Katy said 1/4 native and 3/4 Spanish. and if a Castizo married a Spanish their child would be Spanish.
As Katy said normally Castizos were passed as Spanish anyway. Thats why you don’t see very often the word Castizo in the church records.

The Castas were very important back then, and if you read carefully the baptize and marriage records especially before 1820’s, you can read words like: Indio, Coyote, Mulato, Lobo, Mestizo, Español. All this words are Castas, they represent the mix mainly between Spanish, Natives and Africans. They were many more Castas, but I think this ones are the most common ones to be found in the church records.
Sometimes the priest wasn’t sure to which Casta someone may belong to. That was probably because he or she was already very mixed, so a priest may use one Casta for this person, and in time the same priest may

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the term morisco was rarely used also. usually they were written down as being mulato or espanol.

note:occasionaly, someone with less than 3/4 spanish/espanol , would be written down as being espanol depending on legitimacy, social class they were born into, time period, the race/ethnicity of the godparents, and even possibly depending on the scribe who wrote down the record.

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Hi Andelmo,

I think, during that era, they would sometimes use "casta/s" to mean any of the "lower" castes, like Mestizo, Mulato, Morisco, etc. Though, I'm not sure!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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I agree with Manny. There are other cases such as this one. It seems that casta was often the default category used by record keepers for individuals of seemingly mixed but undetermined ancestry.

My Heritage

Greetings to all,
Has anyone any experience with My Heritage?
I'd like to know if a membership is a worthwhile
thing to do towards furthering research in Mexico
and Spain.
Thanks so much,

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Hello,
I have my heritage and ancestry. Honestly, I use family search most. While my heritage seems to aggregate lots of info from many sources, the search function is really bad, yielding irrelevant info. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack. I find it frustrating. The MH tree builder is nice though.
Ancestry helps sometimes through the hint feature but usually it’s docs i´ve seen. It’s helpful to surface docs on lines you are not actively working on. The search function also not the best so the hints can sometimes be totally off.

All in all, family search is really the only one I couldn’t do without.
Maven

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Hi There,I agree. I've always used family search, but just wondered if my heritage had something to offer--worth paying for.  I was kind of interested because theysay they offer Smart Matches that find connections between  your and other users family trees,Consistency checker that scans family tree and finds inconsistencies and mistakes in your data.   I'm always looking for help with brick walls or just plain serendipity!Thanks so much for your response on your experience.Alice BB

On Friday, June 1, 2018 10:18 PM, "pavendano@earthlink.net" wrote:

Hello, I have my heritage and ancestry. Honestly, I use family search most.
While my heritage seems to aggregate lots of info from many sources, the
search function is really bad, yielding irrelevant info. It’s like
searching for a needle in a haystack. I find it frustrating. The MH tree
builder is nice though. Ancestry helps sometimes through the hint feature but
usually it’s docs i´ve seen. It’s helpful to surface docs on lines

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When I need to search for something on Ancestry.com I just go to my local public library and use their institutional account. It has a feature that allows one to send any record to one's email for later access.

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I'm not sure it would be worthwhile. I have ancestry.com and it's helped me a little but most of it I could've just done with familysearch. I would say probably not worthwhile.

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Hello,
I was aware of the Ancestry situation, but I was hoping that since FamilytreeDNA
partners with My Heritage, it might be different. I guess I'm always hoping of
finding help to break through the brick walls.
Thanks so much.
ABB

Research Digest, Vol 149, Issue 1

I have this couple, except the husband I have is Pablo Ortiz. Two children: Ana Ortiz and Phelipe Ortiz. No parents.

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Hi Deedra,
That is the same couple he’s looking for. Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez had Ana Ortiz that married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza and Felipe Ortiz that married Josefa de Avila. I believe that Pablo is basically a typo.
Chris

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I have this couple, except the husband I have is Pablo Ortiz.  Two children:  Ana Ortiz and Phelipe Ortiz.  No parents.  The information I have is from Matrimonial record of their daughter to son of Lope Ruiz de Esparsa.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51650-25?cc=1410092&…

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Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I’m wondering if someone is familiar with the couple Pedro Ortiz and
Catalina Ramirez, they would’ve been born towards the end of the 1500s or
early 1600s in Aguascalien

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Hi Danny,

I don’t know Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez’s origins, but they baptized Ana on 2 Jul 1623, in San Matias, Pinos, Zac. Her padrino was Melchor de Espinosa. Ana is likely the same who married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza, 11 May 1643, in Ags.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Libros De La Nueva Espana

I had the idea that there were a number of books during the colonial days of Mexico.

So I did a search in the Pars website archive for "libros"

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

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Daily Life in Colonial Mexico: The Journey of Friar Ilarione da Bergamo, 1761-1768

The majority of the documents I use are basic sacramental records, and unfortunately they contain very little information about our ancestors’ daily lives in the colonial era. So, I forgot how, but one day I came across Friar Ilarione’s book and wound up reading it twice because it helped me imagine and picture what life was like back then. It helped that his life’s story is somewhat interesting too. I recommend it.

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http://tlanestli.blogspot.com/2011/10/primeros-impresores-en-mexico-sig…

En ésta liga se puede leer cuáles fueron los primeros libros que se imprimieron en la Nueva España.

Por otro lado, para saber más sobre la vida privada puede leerse la Sumaria Relación sobre las cosas de la Nueva España de Baltasar Dorantes de Carranza. Hay un libro de John Super sobre la vida en el México colonial.

Saludos

Marcelina

Where were Esclavos Sold in Nueva Galicia and are there any archives?

I am curious if anyone knows where esclavos were sold in the Nueva Galicia area such as Zacatecas, Jalisco, Aguasclientes.

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Hola Antonio:

Te recomiendo que visites el sitio web Historias y recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz, en donde hay un capítulo denominado "Esclavos o libres". El autor hace un recuento sobre la esclavitud y señala algunos libros de historiadores que han investigado sobre la esclavitud.

Se sabe que la familia Lomelin que vivía en Mexticacán tenían licencia para importar y vender esclavos. Otro lugar en donde hubo gran cantidad de esclavos fue en Ciénega de Mata.

Hace poco estaba haciendo la genealogía de un tío político y encontré varios esclavos entre sus ancestros, unos del rancho Paso de Cuarenta de la familia Muñoz de Xeres y otros de "Las negritas" cerca de el Sáuz de los Macías, actualmente, Encarnación de Díaz.

Saludos

Marcelina

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There are documents concerning slaves, such as documents about sale, in the Aguascalientes government archives.

Several years ago there was discussion of the Aguascalientes archives here at NR, for example

The login for the Aguascalientes archives is at
http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/AXWeb/Login.aspx?IgnoreNTAutoLogin=T…

Please see the previous postings of Miguel Beltran Romo of March 2, 2011, and my post of "AHEA: Wildcard searches" on March 16th on how do do a search.

Drawing Cactus 1620 What is happening?

Hi,

I don't understand what they are doing to the cactus here and there is a drawing on the last page:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/18412

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Hola a todos:

La grana cochinilla fue un parásito que crece en las plantas de nopal y en otras plantas, se muele para extraer una tintura roja que era utilizada para teñir telas, especialmente la seda y hacer los trajes de los obispos y cardenales. La nobleza también demandaba estas telas por eso fue una actividad muy apreciada.

Saludos

Marcelina