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salvador ramires families researches

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tryingto find earlier records for salvador ramires or ramirez who had married a woman by the name of pasquala melendes . family search has marriage record 06 February 1681 • San Francisco,Villa De Reyes,San Luis Potosi,Mexico .. their daughter known as rita franca ramires married nicolas de la rosa and had several children including my maria bernarda de jesus de la rosa and places them in or around san luis potosi mexico where can i go or whom i can talk to about the earlier records for these family as i have hit some brick walls and would like to know more about their histories? i have attached the film number in family search records as follows: Film Number 004806532 or is there any books or anything of the relevance i can buy?

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Since the couple married in 1681 and the marriage records begin in 1635 you might find the parents marriage record. They were from the Hacienda de Joan Muniz. However, the names are difficult to read.

The Bautimos start 1639 so you might find some other records for the family but it would be image by image. I don't think these records have been indexed as I had to go through many of the records to find my ancestors as they were not indexed 2 years ago.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGS-NF3

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I just checked the Family History Library catalog, and most, but not all. of the baptism and marriage films have been extracted before about 1885 or so.

The matrimonial investigations, as usual, are not indexed.

George

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This is a difficult area to research. I have ancestors that married there before 1687 and because the informacion matrimonial isn't available im not sure theres a way to go back any further.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hola a todos:

En el libro partidos y padrones del obispado de Michoacán de Alberto Carrillo Cázares viene el censo de pobladores de Villa de Reyes.

Sería interesante buscar en los antepasados en las familias de Querétaro, ya que varias ramas de la familia Ramírez de Coy pasaron a otros estados, es posible que se trate de ésta familia porque era muy común casarse entre primos y para hacerlo modificaban los nombres, parte de la familia cambiaba el apellido Ramírez por Roxas, Rojas o Rossas. Hay un Francisco Ramírez nacido a principios del siglo XVII hijo de Juan Ramírez de Coy y de María de Espíndola, vecinos de Querétaro.

Saludos

Marcelina

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salvador ramires parents is looking to be francisco ramirez and or maria cesillia de paneto

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NT8P-HJF : 12 December 2014), Santiago Martines Melendes, 10 Jul 1713; citing SAN FRANCISCO,VILLA DE REYES,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 708,51

pasquala melendes parents may be michaela de la cruz and or leandro melendes time frame for the parents of pasqual is about 1649 roughly. nothing found after that

Information on Diego Villalpando y Gertrudis Rodriguez

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Hello Everyone!

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Roberto

I did some research on the descendants of Tomas de Villalpando a few years ago, and posted the results in the members’ files area of NR. Go there, click on my name, and you can download the report. The research was not exhaustive, but may be of help.

George Fulton

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Hi Roberto,
This couple is my 5x great grandparents, by way of Jesus's brother Ygnacio.
If you're on 23andme or ancestry, let me know.

David

Alonso de Llerena Agúndez

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Hola compañeros:

Después de mucho tiempo de ausentarme de este grupo estoy de regreso, al menos durante las vacaciones y quiero desearles a todos un muy feliz verano.

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Hola Enrique
Sigues activo?
Sigues buscando info de los Llerena?

Monte de los Velascos, Nochistlán, Velasco, Zevallos de la Barrera

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Hi, I'm looking for information on a place (a rancho?) called Monte de los Velascos in the late 1700's Jurisdicción of Nochistlán.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Mar, 2017-03-21 19:23 | Enlace permanente

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Dear Carlos,

These records may help you in your research:

The padrinos of this first baptism may provide clues as to Maria Micaela's ancestry

Name Ma. Calistra De Jesus Barrera Velasco
Gender Female
Christening Date 23 Sep 1820
Christening Place TONILA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Manl. Barrera
Mother's Name Ma. Micaela Velasco
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMCT-FR4 : 2 January 2015), Ma. Micaela Velasco in entry for Ma. Calistra De Jesus Barrera Velasco, 23 Sep 1820; citing TONILA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ;

FHL microfilm 694,724.IMAGE 167 out of 680; Right page, Bottom half.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-73TQ-R?mode=g&i=166&wc=3JF…

Name Jose Mateo Ceballos
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 25 Sep 1858
Event Place Santiago Apóstol, Pihuamo, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Birthplace Santa Cruz
Father's Name Salvador Ceballos
Mother's

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Don Diego Rangel Peguero en Guanajuato

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Hola a todos:

Como muchos de ustedes también desciendo de Don Diego Rangel Peguero, aunque he visto varios temas de discusión se refieren a la descendencia que dejó en Aguascalientes.

Cobian de Busto, Munoz de Aceves, Chavez Campoverde, Sotomayor, Lopez de Lara etc.

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Alguien tiene información sobre las siguientes familias, la mayoría de Leon, San Francisco del Rincón, o Celaya en Guanajuato, pero con descendientes en la región de San Diego de Alejandría, Ayo el Ch

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Does anyone have more information on the following families, who lived mostly around Leon, San Francisco del Rincón, or Celaya Guanajuato, butwho also had descendants living in San Diego de Alejandría, Ayo el Chico, and Arandas? The following list is only those from whom I am a direct descendant, since many of these families with the possible exception of the Cobian de Busto, often had many children. I would be grateful for any information since it has been somewhat difficult to research these families because many of the records from San Francisco del Rincón have not been indexed by FamilySearch.

Cobian de Busto
The furthest ancestors I have been able to identify is Antonio Cobian de Busto Who married Isabel de Tapia In Mexico City on 17 Mar 1717
( https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-5N9H-K4?i=698&wc=3P62-… ). Their marriage was also recorded in 1733 in Celaya, where they were vecinos, mentioning that their marriage had occured

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Ornelas and Gascon

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Maria Del Refugio Ornelas was the daughter of Benito Ornelas (San Diego de Alejandria) and Ana Rita Del Carmen Gascon Barrera.

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Hello Evie,
Here is what I found for this couple which is also on the online program Wikitree where you can find the sources and additional information. I was hoping to connect to my Ornelas and Perez ancestors from Encarnacion de Diaz. Please let me know if you find additional information on Jose Blas Ornelas and Maria de San Juan Perez.

Best regards
Austin Perez

Generation 1: María del Refugio Ornelas

1. María del Refugio Ornelas: Born 1826. Died [date unknown].

Generation 2: Parents of María del Refugio Ornelas

2. Benito Ornelas: Born Barranca (Arandas), Nueva Galicia [Jalisco, México] abt 1790. Died [date unknown]. Father of 1. Son of 4 & 5.

3. Ana Rita del Carmen Herrera: Born Capulín (Arandas), Nueva Galicia [Jalisco, México] abt 1790. Died [date unknown]. Mother of 1. Daughter of 6 & 7.

Generation 3: Grandparents of María del Refugio Ornelas

4. José Blas Ornelas: Born 1760. Died [date unknown]. Father of 2. Son of 8 & 9.

5. María de San Juan Pérez: Born abt 1760

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I have as Maria Rita de Ribas Bartola as Joseph Miguel Gascon's wife.

I have juana Josefa Gascon as baptized on 6/July/1761, Ayo el Chico Jalisco

I have Jose Nicolas Herrera as born 19/Jun/1757. This may be a baptismal date

Jose Nicolas Hererra is the son of Jose Cayetano Herrera and Antonia Ascencio de Torres y Alvarez del Castillo {see his ancestry below}

Antonia de Torres is the daughter of Juan Antonio Ascencio de Torres y Camarena Hurtado de Mendoza and Juana Gertrudis Alvarez del Castillo y Zepeda

Jose Caytetano Herrera married Antonia Asencio de Torres in San Agustin Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) on 16/Feb/1749. Image # 61 film # 280787.

The parents of Conquistador Juan de Baeza are Diego Lopez de Fuenllana and Maria Lopez.

The conquistadors wife, isabel Perez is the daughter of Francisco Santella and his wife who remains unnamed but was the daughter of Cristobal Castillo ( aka Torres ) and Leonor Perez

Descent From conquistador Juan de Baeza to Jose Nicolas Herrera

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I was looking through old postings and I chanced upon this one, which mentions the following pair:

Nicolas Alvarez del Castillo & Tomasa de Zepeda y Morfin de Liebana

In the Alvarez del Castillo chapter of his book, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Mariano Gonzalez Leal states that Nicolas Alvarez del Castillo, “Hizo información matrimonial en Chilchota el 5 de agosto de 1705 para casar con doña Tomasa de Zepeda y Mofrin de Liébana, hija de don Francisco y de doña Anna.”

I have searched the Chilchota relevant films and I can’t locate it. Can someone please direct me to it?

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where do I find documentation for my line before Juan Alvarez del Castillo and Maria Lupiana who are my 9th Great grandparents through my maternal side? I have not been able to find anything earlier than them.
my line is
Juan Alvarez del Castillo and Maria Lupiana parents of
Nicolas Alvarez del Castillo and Ynes Mendosa parents of
Nicolas Alvarez del Castillo and Josefa Torres y Guerrero parents of
Esteban Alvarez del Castillo and Gertrudis Valencia parents of
Eucelia/Celia Alvarez del Castillo and Manuel Gerardo Gutierrez parents of
Benito Gutierrez and Guadalupe Suniga parents of
Ygnacio Gutierrez and Petra Paula Mendoza parents of
Ventura Gutierrez and Petra Vega parents of
Longino Gutierrez and Merced Munguia parents of
Marcelino Gutierrez and Rafaela Villanueva parents of my Mother
Dolores Gutierrez and Chet Castanon parents of
Erlinda Castanon

Your research is amazing!

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I was looking into the Gascón-Rivas lines and I found Joseph Miguel Gascón’s burial record way over in Tamaulipas! It begins on the bottom right hand side of image 109 and continues on the following image. I am confidant it’s him because it mentions his late spouse, María Rita Bartola de Rivas. It also adds that he was a “Mtro de escuela q. fue en la Villa de Camargo”. So, I am guessing he taught in what is now modern day Ciudad Camargo, Tamaulipas, México. His cause of death was tabardillo, which I think means typhus.

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Almost three years ago, I wrote in this thread:

“The conquistadors wife, Isabel Perez is the daughter of Francisco Santella and his wife who remains unnamed, but was the daughter of Cristobal Castillo ( aka Torres ) and Leonor Perez”,

But thanks to Manny, we now have Francisco Santaella’s wife’s name. It is “Beatriz Torres.” We also now know that Beatriz had a brother named “Diego Castillo” who was a miner in Fresnillo, Zacatecas. These two are the only named children of Cristobal Castillo and Leonor Perez (born in Sevilla, Spain). Previously I had only had the information that they had “only one daughter.” Now we know they also had a son.

Here is the link to Manny’s discovery: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24124

Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Vie, 2015-05-08 12:57 | Enlace permanente

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Hello Evie,

Benito Ornelas is the son of Jose Blas Ornelas and Maria de San Juan Perez

Benito was married to Ana Rita del Carmen on 28Feb1808 in Santa Maria de Guadalupe, Arandas

Ana Rita del Carmen is the daughter of Jose Nicolas Herrera and Juana Josefa Gascon

Jose Nicolas Herrera and Juana Josefa Gascon were married 4/Mar/1783 in San Agustin,Ayo El Chico,Jalisco,Mexico
Film number: 280788

You have Ana Rita del Carmen using her mothers maiden name of Gascon which was common in those days.

Good luck in your research,

R A Ricci

GOMEZ DE BEDOYA / ARIAS DE BEDOYA

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Hola prim@s,

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Hello family....I'm searching for a Faustina Bedoya de Arias. All I have is that her and her husband were "vecinos" of the Villa de Camora (Zamora). She was the mother of Simon Arias. And the wife of Alonso de Villapando. I have the marriage document of Simon from 1608 in Santa Fe. I believe Alnoso is my link to Spain on my Villalpando line. Any information on Faustina would be awesome... I have the document if you would like to view it.

Thank you,

Amalia Hernandez

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Hello All,

Manny, while looking through some of the Mexican Inquisition Records on familysearch.org, I ran across an expediente related to Beatriz and Juana Arias de Bedoya:

Denuncia contra Fray Juan Rangel por solicitud, Pueblo de los Tres Reyes, Michoacan - 1621

In the documents we learn that the parents of Beatriz Arias de Bedoya and Juana Arias de Bedoya were Francisco Catalan and Isabel Arias. We also learn that Beatriz and Juana had two younger brothers, Bernabe and Alonso. In the expediente we further learn that both Juana and Beatriz were naturales de Tinguindin and were around 20 and 22 years of age, respectively. I believe that Beatriz Arias de Bedoya married Pedro Martin Barragan and Juana married Juan de Silva in Zamora in the early 1600s.

I find it interesting that Baltazar Gomez de Bedoya sometimes used Baltazar Gomez Catalan. Could it be that Francisco Catalan and Isabel Arias were also the parents of Baltazar Gomez de Bedoya, since the bautizmos for Baltazar's

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Great find! That’s funny - last weekend, I also started going through the inquisicion indexes. Really cool stuff, lots of limpiezas and interesting procesos. Including this one - thanks for sharing.

Good information: their parents were already dead and they were living with Carlos de Bonilla, their padrastro. So either Ysabel Arias married twice, or Bonilla adopted them? Beatris Arias de Bedoya & Juana de Bedoya sign their names! Very rare, in 1621. I love the diminutives they use for their brothers, “Bernavesico” and “Alosico.”

The crime was super common, from what I've seen in the indexes "Solicitante," "Por solicitar a las hijas de confesion." These guys were predators who preyed on the women of the congregation, single and married!

I have to agree, that Baltasar Gomez Catalan is likely part of this family group. Reveals the status of the Arias/Gomez de Bedoya surname. My ancestor also used Gomez de Bedoya, in place of his paternal surname.

Here's where the proceso against Juan

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Hi Manny,

Here is what I have in my notes regarding Bedoya families.

Saludos
Austin Perez

1. Zamora, 30 mayo 1613: bautismo de Diego, hijo de Juan ? > y Isabel del Castillo, fueron padrinos el bachiller Cristóbal ? > beneficiado de Aranza? > y Francisca de Bedoya doncella, hija de Juan Gómez de Bedoya y Ana de Cárdenas su mujer
"México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1555-1996," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GY3K-JP?cc=1883388&wc=3NTR… : 20 May 2014), Zamora > Sagrario > image 10 of 607; parroquias Católicas, Michoacan (Catholic Church parishes, Michoacan).

2. Tlazazalca, 9 marzo 1640: bautismo de Josefa hija de Alonso Magaña y Mariana de Bedoya, padrinos don Fernando Bocanegra y doña Beatriz Magaña
"México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1555-1996," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-P2QB-C?cc=1883388&wc=3NT1

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Hola prim@s,

Here are my notes on this matrimonio, followed by notes on Baltasar Gomez Catalan cc Catalina de Valdes:

Alonso Magaña and Mariana de Bedoya married 17 Apr 1640, San Miguel, Tlazazalca;

- On 10 Dec 1641, baptized was Maria, hija de Alonso Magaña cc Mariana CHAVEZ. Padrino Diego Ochoa Garibay presbitero.
- On 30 Aug 1648, baptized was Bartolome, hijo de Alonso Magaña cc Mariana de Bedoya, padrinos were Andres Magaña and Maria de Bedoya muger de Francisco Torres.
- On 01 Aug 1649, Francisco Torres Guerrero cc Maria de Bedoya baptized Francisca, padrinos were Bartolome de Bedoya and his sister Mariana de Bedoya muger de Alo Magaña.

Alonso Magaña and Mariana de Bedoya have continuous contact with Francisco Torres Guerrero cc Maria de Bedoya; this Maria de Bedoya is daughter of Juan Barajas cc Francisca de Bedoya (daughter of Juan Gomez de Bedoya cc Ana de Cardenas), and my guess is, Mariana de Bedoya (and her brother Bartolome) are also their children. When she baptized

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Hola a todos:

En el censo de 1683 aparecen tres familias Bedoya, en Pátzcuaro y en Jiquilpan. Están en las páginas 90, 173 y 174 del Libro Partidos y Padrones del Obispado de Michoacán de Alberto Carrillo Cázares, puede verse en línea.

A fines del Siglo XVII en Querétaro existió un grupo de cántabros muy prósperos, encabezados por Don José de Escandón, eran propietarios de los obrajes más grandes para la fabricación de prendas de lana que existió en todo el virreinato, entre ellos hubo uno llamado Pedro Diez de Vedoya.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola prim@s,

Gracias a todos por sus comentarios.

Daniel, I'd be happy to collaborate with you on this dynasty, though I'm still trying to determine if & how my g9s Baltasar Gomez cc Catalina Martinez are linked to them. For now, I'm mining the Patzcuaro & Zamora baptisms, marriages and burials, and getting an idea of who the local family groups are. I've still found no sign of Geronima de Bedoya nor her parents, other than the previously cited records - not even as padrinos, so I wonder if my branch even starts in Zamora? (though the name "Baltasar" was popular with this FG...).

Simona, I checked out Madalena baptized in Chilchota, in Feb 1614; hija de Baltasar Gomes y de Catarina; I'm not sure about her, since most of the families on that page appear to be Indios, whereas this FG appears to be Espanol. It's possible, though: a Madalena de Bedoya was madrina for Nicolas, hijo de Juan Zurita Camacho and Geronima de Bedoya, b. 27 Jul 1624. She would've been 10 years-old.

What is

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Hola Manny:

Había estudiado el apellido Zurita porque el oidor de la Nueva España de Zurita perteneció al mismo grupo que mi tío 11° Licenciado Juan Ramírez Bravo, para sabe más sobre el Licenciado Alonso puedes revisar el siguiente libro:

http://www.historicas.unam.mx/publicaciones/publicadigital/libros/lectu…

Mi familia (Ramírez de Coy) tuvo dos estancias de ganado mayor, la segunda fue en Salvatierra (San Nicolás de los Agustinos, cerca de Pátzcuaro) en donde apareció uno de los Zurita. Voy a buscar ese registro para saber si se encuentra relacionado con la persona que estás investigando.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Manny--

I descend from this couple Da. María Gómez Arias de Bedoya who married Capt. D. Diego Méndez de Sotomayor y Torres de Fuentes, Alcalde Mayor de Zamora--patriarchs to my father's house. I do not have access to my files at the moment, but I will share what I have on our family soon. One thing to note is that Arias de Bedoya and Gómez de Bedoya are interchangeable and descend from the noble house of Bedoya in Bedoya, Valle de Liébana, Cantabria, Spain. There are a lot of loose ends, but I started piecing the Bedoya family a couple of months ago and would love to work on this with someone. Feel free to email if you like.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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Manny--

Desciendo de esta pareja Da. María Gómez de Bedoya quien contrajo nupcias con el capitán D. Diego Méndez de Sotomayor y Torres de Fuentes, Alcalde Mayor de Zamora--patriarcas de mi familia. No tengo acceso a mis archivo en este momento pero compartiré lo que tengo esta semana. Algo para tomar en cuenta es que

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Last Name Spelling Help Please

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Hi everyone, any help would be appreciated. I have over 20 records from my 5th Great Grandmother Maria Paulina. Her last name is spelled so many different ways by the priest and scribers.

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In a baptismal record of a granddaughter of Manuel Salvador Rojas and Maria Paulina, the surname given for Maria Paulina is “Sartiga.” I also found in another record that Maria Paulina Sartiga was also sometimes known as Maria Paulina Gonzalez. I also found that the family did have branches in Jalisco and Nayarit.

As to the correct spelling question, the answer is that there was not just one way of spelling a word or name in the 1600 and 1700’s. It wasn’t until a mass produced dictionary was written and sold that people began to identify words and names to “one spelling.”

Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick,

It might prove useful if you shared with us more about the branches of Jalisco and Nayarit?

And I would also like to know who has more information about these Rojas. I have a Petra de Rojas (daughter of Manuel and Paulina) married to a Felipe Santiago de León y Panico (that last one, another interesting surname, not usually present in this forum).

Does anyone know anything about the the community in Amatlán de Jora? I read that it was once a thriving "Real de Minas", but that it practically disappeared in the middle of the 19th century.

As another possible lead, I found a "don Miguel de Rojas, alcalde de la Santa Hermandad y capitán a guerra en Hostotipaquillo, Real de Minas de Jora, etcétera", it looks like he might have been the owner of the Hacienda de Ambas Aguas, close to Jora.

Any thoughts??

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"And I would also like to know who has more information about these Rojas. I have a Petra de Rojas (daughter of Manuel and Paulina) married to a Felipe Santiago de León y Panico (that last one, another interesting surname, not usually present in this forum).

Does anyone know anything about the the community in Amatlán de Jora? I read that it was once a thriving "Real de Minas", but that it practically disappeared in the middle of the 19th century.

As another possible lead, I found a "don Miguel de Rojas, alcalde de la Santa Hermandad y capitán a guerra en Hostotipaquillo, Real de Minas de Jora, etcétera", it looks like he might have been the owner of the Hacienda de Ambas Aguas, close to Jora."

Hello Diego,

I am a direct descendant of the Rojas Family you are referring to. As the records show, they settled in Amatlan de Jora, where some remained. The children married into families from de la Paz, Villa Vicensio, Huizar and de Leon. The majority moved to Hostotipaquillo where many

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Hola a todos:

El apellido Sartiga o sus variantes parece ser de origen vasco. De ahí que puedan existir diversas ortografías y pronunciaciones al pasar del euskera al castellano.

Sería interesante investigar su origen o significado en euskera.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Estoy de acuerdo, suena un poco vasco. Aunque por ahora no he encontrado en el País Vasco nada que se le parezca, y eso que tienen muy buenos registros. A ver si encontramos algo más de por aquí sobre ellos antes de saltar el Atlántico.

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Hola Rubén,

Muchas gracias por responder.

Me interesa mucho hablar contigo porque poca gente en este foro tiene a estos Rojas. Pues yo no sé bien por dónde seguir, porque me aparecen dos hijos del matrimonio de Felipe de León y de Petra de Rojas bautizados en Bolaños, Jalisco, aunque luego claramente aparecen en Jora. Me falta encontrar el matrimonio de Felipe y Petra para darme una idea de dónde se casaron, y desde qué momento están en Jora (encontré una referencia a su matrimonio en Familysearch, pero al buscar el acta en el libro, jamás la encontré en la fecha que pone ahí).

Sobre los padres de Petra, me pregunto si serían de Jora o de Bolaños. Leí que las minas de Bolaños sufrieron una gran decadencia desde 1760, quedando prácticamente en el abandono, y parece que mucha gente se fue para Yesca, Jora, Ambasaguas, etcétera. Pero bueno, es solo una teoría.

Sobre el capitán Miguel de Rojas, te envío los enlaces a las referencias que tengo de él hasta ahora:

REAL AUDIENCIA DE

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Hola Diego,

Gracias por la informacion. Tengo tres paginas de la imagen de matrimonio de Petra Roxas y Felipe de Leon, pero no links. No pense guardar los links de familysearch cuando los encontre. Si gustas, te puedo mandar imagines por email attachment, porque no se como hacer un upload en Nuestros Ranchos.

Ruben R

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Muchas gracias Rubén.

Te escribo por privado para pasarte mi e-mail. Ojalá podamos encontrar algo. Así te paso también las actas que yo tengo.

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I've never heard such surname, but doing a google search, the one which currently seems to be an existing family name is Zartiga.

Victoriano Navarro

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Thank You Victoriano, Zartiga is what I found also. I just wanted to check with someone else in the group. It is not a very common surname, in fact, I never heard of it until now.
Thanks Again
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Dispensa Question - Juan de Dios Baldivia and Petronila Alba / Pedro Baldivia and Gertrudis Alba

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Hello,

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Here you go!

Juan de Dios Valdivia and Petronila de Alva

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVQ1-Y?i=147&wc=3JWL-K…

Pedro Valdivia(1) (son of Juan Valdivia and Petrona de Hermosillo) and Juana de Alva

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV7Q-3?i=141&wc=3JWL-K…

BE CAREFUL: There is also another Pedro Valdivia(3) son of Pedro Valdivia(2) and Juana de Alva (I am not sure if they the same couple as Pedro Valdivia(1) and Juana Gertrudis de Alva from your post) who married 1) Anna Gonzalez de Hermosillo and 2) Cayetana Perez de Vargas

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65TQ-4?i=71&wc=3J47-C6…

The reason I say BE CAREFUL is that Pedro Valdivia(3) was married to Anna Gonzalez de Hermosillo in 1720.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4BH-9?i=95

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Missing son of Lamberto de Alba & Librada

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My grand father Pedro de Alba (christianed as Jose Pedro) wrote a book of his early years in San Juan de los Lagos, and states that he had a younger brother named "Pablo" (could be Jose Pablo, followi

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Not sure if this is an important will

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I found this will for widow Maria Sotomayor. I cant read it and I have no idea if its important but here it is, starting bottom left:

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Hi Alex,

Where did you pull that from, and what is the date range? Looks like early 1600s. Viuda de Diego de Aguiar, had an hijo natural before she married named Francisco; I see a legitimate child named Micaela de Sotomayor. I'm going to say this is Guadalajara?

Thanks!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hi Alex,

Not really, but it's interesting. I had this Maria de Sotomayor as Maria de Torquemada; she and Diego de Aguiar baptized Micaela 16 Oct 1615 in Guadalajara. The 1627 testamento mentions a daughter named Micaela, age 12, so I'm sure it's the same couple. I was researching women with the Torquemada surname, thinking they might somehow be related to Cristobal Ordones cc Francisca Ruiz Farache, since at least 1 of their daughter's used that surname.

I wonder if this Diego de Aguiar is related to Martin de Aguiar Delgadillo cc Mariana de Ulloa y Plasencia?

Thanks!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Vicente Ferrer Lomelin and Ysabel Rodriguez de Frias

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Hello promos,

Does anyone know the ancestors of:

Antonio Lomelin son of _____bisente___ferrer______Lomelin + Isabel Rodriguez de Frias

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Please analyse the following Marriage dispensation thoroughly. It is exactly what you need. Trust me and open the following link. PLEASE LOOK AT THE TRONCOS DE PARENTESCO

Dispensa matrimonial de Rafael Iñiguez & María de San José Gómez - 24 de diciembre de 1803, Jalostotitlán

Fueron dispensados de dos parentescos de afinidad, ambos en tercer grado igual.

Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1803-1804 [Image 397-404 of 493] -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-9661-28?cc=1874591&wc=…

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Hi Rick,

I am researching the ancestors of Vicente Ferrer Lomeli (94PW-7QX)) and Ysabel Rodrigues de Frias (9Q1W-8DX) as well. I was just rechecking some research on them and I found your message. Have you found anything else about them since the time you posted this message?

Below is the only lead I have at the moment, about Vicente’s parents.

Here is a link to the marriage certificate of Joseph Gabriel de Lomelin Rodriguez (son of Vicente Ferrer Lomeli and Ysabel Rodrigues de Frias) dated 06/May/1778.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-3S9T-V4?i=45&wc=3JXB-K68%3…

The certificate mentions the following individuals:

--- Joseph Gabriel’s brother and his wife are listed as godparents (Juan Francisco De Lomeli y Andrea Gomes (11/Oct/1762).

---And as witnesses it lists one of his brothers-in-law (Pedro Mercardo married to Maria Thomasa de Lomeli – 04/May/1761); also listed as witnesses are Julio de

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Dear Minerva,

I have not found the parents of Vicente Ferrer Lomelin and Ysabel Rodriguez de Frias. I stopped looking for them, and have been working on many other projects. I will take out my notes on them next week and compare them to your added information.

I do have the book "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" After buying this book I was put into contact with the author, Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias, by one of the members of SHARR. I don't remember if it was Mary Lou, or another member, that brought us together.

Thanks for sharing,
Rick A. Ricci

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Minerva,
I am researching my ancestor Julio Jose de Lomeli and I was excited to see your information above about Julio Joseph de Lomelin. I'd love to be able to confirm that they are the same person.

The info I have is this: my Julio was married to Maria Marcela de los Dolores de Jauregui. They had 3 children that I know of, Maria Antonia de Lomeli (married 3 Dec 1800 in Mexticacan to Jose Santiago de Aguirre), Nicolas Josef de Lomeli (born 1777 in Mexticacan), and Maria de San Jose de Lomeli (married 3 Mar 1783 de Pedro Anastacio Fernandes Cordero).

Any further info you have I'd sure appreciate.
Thank you.
Rick Fernández

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I have Vincent Ferrer Lomelin being the son of Antonio Lomelin and unknown wife. Antonio was the son of Gabriel Lomelin and Melchora de los Reyes Peres de Frias Delgadillo.

Here are my sources:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6T99-6R?cc=1874591

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6BTC-F?i=718&wc=3J47-J…

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Hi Rick,

Sorry for my late response, I am just seeing everyone’s answers to this post now.
And yes, I believe we are talking about the same Julio Jose de Lomelin (h.l of Fernando Lomelin and Isabel de Calderon)

Julio Joseph Lomeli married Marcela Xaurigui on 09 Jan 1763. Here is their marriage certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TQ9H-DN?i=29&cc=180445…

The marriage certificate says that Julio Joseph is h.l of Fernando Lomelin and Isabel Henrriquez. I believe this Isabel Henrriquez is the same as Isabel de Calderon since all the other information matches but more information is needed to corroborate that they are the same person.
Marcela de Xaurigui is h.l of Lorenzo de Xaurigui and Ana Ximenes and widow of Xristobal Garcia.

They had the following children that I could see:

-Ana Isabel de Lomeli born on 11/Apr/1763 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas (Note: her godparents were Juan Manuel Basquez and Isabel Calderon).
-Maria Antonia de Lomeli born

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It would not be weird to see Calderon and Enriquez interchanged in this case. Pedro Enriquez married Isabel Calderon where Isabel Calderon is the daughter of Juan Delgadillo and Maria de la Concepcion Islas and Juan Delgadillo is the son of another Isabel Calderon. I have not researched the ancestry of Isabel who married Hernando Lomelin but my money is on her descending from Pedro Enriquez and Isabel Calderon.

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It would not be weird to see Calderon and Enriquez interchanged in this case. Pedro Enriquez married Isabel Calderon where Isabel Calderon is the daughter of Juan Delgadillo and Maria de la Concepcion Islas and Juan Delgadillo is the son of another Isabel Calderon. I have not researched the ancestry of Isabel who married Hernando Lomelin but my money is on her descending from Pedro Enriquez and Isabel Calderon.

Another common ancestral link to the British Royal Family and Nueva Galicia

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Another common ancestral link to the British Royal Family and Nueva Galicia.

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I wrote : “the descent from six generations does make at least a very small imprint”

What I meant to write was that there are : “six lines of descent from this common ancestor to Queen Charlotte, which made at least a small imprint in her physical characteristics.” There may be more than six lines of descent. There is documentation that shows tha she descends six times from an ancestor named “Margarita De Castro e Sousa” eight generations back in this ancestral line.

This example of endogamy is not unusual. I descend from a “Martin del Campo” ancestor from the 1700’s seven times. My wife also descends from this “Josesito Martin del Campo” ancestor through two of her lines. He had two marriages and had many children from both wives. My wife and I are fifth cousins through this ancestor, and sixth cousins many times over.

Rick A. Ricci

Intro de Alba Perez

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First of all, thank you for accepting me, This is certainly not my field, but I am familiar with research (biological).

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Abraham, welcome to Nuestros Ranchos forum.

Lamberto and Librada got married in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco on 21 Jan 1880.

They were excused of a fourth degree consanginity impediment according to the marriage record:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G53L-35

They were third cousins. They both were the great-great-grandchildren of José María Pérez Franco as can bee seen on their family trees.They were the great-grandchildren of José María and Antonio, half brothers, and also children of the José María first mentioned.

Lamberto de Alba fam. tree:

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Alba-Family-Tree-86

Librada Pérez fam. tree:

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Perez-Family-Tree-2167

Every underlined name is a link to the page with the information on that individual. Scrolling down on each one of these pages you will find a "Sources" section listing the supporting documentation.

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Dear Abraham,

I loved your quote:
“If all you are trying to do is essentially the same thing as everyone else, then it’s unlikely you will be very successful.” ~ Michael Porter

The Perez De. Paredes Franco family tree posted on wikitree is incomplete.

Juan Perez De Paredes Is baptized on 7/Sep/1670 in Silao, Guanajuato. He was married in about 1693 to Gertrudis Hermosillo. Juan is the son of Alonso Perez Perestrello and Luisa Paredes y Franco.

Many people have different parents for Alonso Perestrello but I have his parents as the ones that Jaime Holcomb originally named in his church submissions, Diego Rodriguez Herrera (Ferrera) and Isabel Hernandez Muñoz. I am still looking for the “claimed” evidence that names different parents.

Luisa Paredes y Franco is the daughter of Blas Paredes and Ana María Molina y Montoya Franco.

Ana María died in 4/Jun/1660 and is the daughter of Sebastian Franco De Molina and Luisa Montoya.

Sebastian is the son of Pedro Franco VillaDiego

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this couple seems to fit your family and the Alva family goes way back to the 1600 perhaps farther as this line in the 1600 is family to many of the members of nuestrosranchos. Bracamonte, Yslas, Sotomaior etc. Some info does not have sources.

Blas Alva Perez
Deceased • KHXM-S9S​
Maria Adelaida De Jesus Jimenes
1836–Deceased • KCBK-DLV

Where do you ancestral testaments/property titles of Colonial Nueva Galicia (Jalisco,Zacatecas)?

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Does anyone know where to look for ancestor's land title or testaments during the colonial period of Nueva Galicia (Jalisco, Zacatecas)?

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de Bargas Castaneda in Milpillas Zacatecas

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Hello all,

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Hello Andrea,

You wrote that “The timeline seems a little tight” but sometimes the timelines are tight because of our preconceived notions. Many years ago, when I was studying my Diaz De Leon line, I threw the Duran Diaz De Leon information aside because the timeline wasn’t right as they were married well after the birthdates of the people I thought were their children. . But it wasn’t that the timeline wasn’t right, it was that the parents had five children before they were married. Look for more information that may connect them.

Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick

You know, that's a good point, thank you. We might think of them as rigid and conservative about these things, but I've seen a few dispensations mentioning secret babies before the marriage and baptisms of kids born a little too soon after the wedding. I'll keep looking!

Apellidos Hurtado- Vallejo Pérez -De Alba de jalostotitlán Jalisco y alrededores

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Que tal? soy Raúl Hurtado Pérez, oriundo de la ciudad de México pero toda mi
familia es de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco.

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Hola a todos.

Estoy investigando a Manuel Vallejo Martín del Campo, nacido en Cañadas en 1775, y casado con Juana Berrueco Muñiz.

Tengo como sus padres a Bernardo Miguel Vallejo y Martínez de Alcaraz, y a Agustina Javiera Martín del Campo y Romo de Vivar.
A sus abuelos paternos como: Francisco Vallejo Cornejo y María Gabriela Martínez de Alcaraz y Ulloa.
A sus abuelos maternos como: Nicolás Martín del Campo y María Romo de Vivar.

Si alguien me pudiera echar una mano para encontrar más datos le estaría muy agradecido.

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The problem with this thread popping up again is that people may falsely believe some of the erroneous statements stating that it is only a myth that there is some Jewish ancestry.

One issue with calling something a “myth” is that people define it differently.

Some people define myth as “a widely held but false belief or idea.” I don’t.

I was taught that a “myth” is a traditional or legendary story, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation. That is, that some myths may be true.

A second issue of calling it a myth is even if you accept my definition then you may still believe that “there is no determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation”. But it is no longer a myth that there is some Jewish and French ancestry in the founding families of Los Altos De Jalisco as I have found solid evidence of Jewish and French ancestors. More Jewish than French, but also many basque ancestors that lived in what is now Southern France. Some of these

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Hola Jose Maria,

Muchas gracias por su ayuda. Yo hablo espanol pero no escribo la idioma muy bien.

Mi abuelo, José Gertrudis (conocido: Gertrudis) Martínez nació en 1850 y me han dicho que el llego a México de Francia con dos hijos (nombres se desconocen - esposa había muerto). Yo no a encontraro cualquier cosa que confirma esta estoria. Los padres de Gertrudis fueron José Martínez Cobarrubia y Julianna Jaure.

Gertrudis se casó con mi abuela, Norberta Cruz Ballejo, en 1899. Ella nació en Tepatitlán en 1882 (también se encuentra como Vallejo). Los padres de me abuela fueron Felipe Vallejo (o Ballejo) n. 1829 y Sixta Cruz o Santa Cruz n. 1841.

Gertrudis y Norberta tuvieron tres hijos: Marina n. 1900 en San José de Gracia; Julio José n. 1902 y María Jesús n. 1904 en Tepatitlán (creo que Maria Jesus murió poco después de nacer porque no estaba con ellos cuando emigraron a Arizona). Mi abuelo tenía dos o tres tiendas en Jalisco, pero no sé dónde. Ellos vivíeron en Nochistlán antes

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Hola, muchas gracias por tu contestacion y en la cual me indicas tus abuelos, por el lado Vallejo, y a continuacion de mencionare algunos datos de esta familia:

El apellido Vallejo viene de Espana y el primer p4ersonaje con este apellido se llamo Antonio de Vallejo, llego con Hernan Cortez, por el ano de 1519, y al cual se le dio

de nombramiento ser el empedrador de la Ciudad de Mexico, un descendiente de este Antonio de Vallejo ) siendo el ancestro mas remoto que conozco) fue otro Antonio

Vallejo que nacio en el Valle de las Amilpas, en Mexico que nacio en 1623, padre a la vez de Jose Vallejo Gordivar, nacido al igual que el anterior en Valle de las Amilpas en 1651, hijo de

este fue Lucas Vallejo Cornejo, que nacio al igual en Mexico en 1688, caso en Tepatitlan ) de acuerdo a informacion del Lic. Mariano Gonzalez Leal) en 1713 con Tomasa o Tomasina

Herrera, padre de Antonio Justo Vallejo que caso con Sra. de apellido Alvarez, padre de Jose Manuel Vallejo que caso con

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Hola Judith, tu abuelo José Gertrudis Martín Jáuregui, es hijo de José Brígido Martín Covarrubias y María Juliana Jáuregui Íñiguez. Por lo que tu línea de Martínez es en realidad Martín, que a su vez vienen de los Martín del Campo. Tu linea de Martín es como sigue:

1.- José Gertrudis Martín Jáuregui (1850).

2.- José Brígido Martín Covarrubias (1821).

3.- José Toribio Martín del Campo (1785) cy. María Paulina de Jesús Covarrubias Ramírez.

4.- José de los Santos Martín del Campo (1745) cy. Ubalda Rafaela de Alba.

5.- Lázaro Martín del Campo (1704) cy. María Feliciana Jiménez de Castro.

6.- Lázaro Martín del Campo (1675) cy. Isabel Tiscareño de Molina.

7.- Lázaro Martín del Campo (1654) cy. Catarina Ramírez de Hermosillo.

8.- Lázaro Martín del Campo (1608) cy. María López de la Cruz.

En cuanto a tu linea de Vallejo es como sigue:

1.- Norberta Vallejo Santa Cruz (1882)

2.- Felipe Vallejo Ramírez (1829)

3.- José Mariano Vallejo Ramírez (1799) cy. María Ignacia Sinforosa

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> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:23:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Martinez y Ballejo o Vallejo
>

Hola Judith, me dio gusto que un amigo de Tepatitlan, pudiera despejar dudas dudas que ya tengo la informacion que faltaba.

Tu ancestro Felipe era hermano de Jose Guadalupe Vallejo Ramirez, mi ancestro nacio en 1823 y tu ancestro en 1829, lo unico que cambia es que el Sr. Jorge Luis Ramirez tiene comno esposa de Jose Mariano a Maria Dolores Sinforosa Ramirez Alvarez y yo tengo a Maria Dolores Ignacia Ramirez Alvarez, hija de Ignacio Bartolo Ramirez y Maria Guadalupe Alvarez Tostado, y por lo demas todo coincide.

Y por lo que se refiere a Martinez, hubo cambio de apellido por error de los curas civiles que en algunos casos el apellidarse Martin ellos decian que Martin era nombre y que el apellido era Martinez, caso totalmente erroneo, ya que al mutilarse el apellido Martin del Campo, la

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Interesante que mencionas los mitos frances Jorge, aunque si hay bastante frances en Mexico,
yo vengo de frances que esta docomentada pero mas recien de 1800s. Esos mitos de
franceses en Los Altos, solo se dice porque somos gueros, altos y ojos claros con el cabello
lacio. Esta descripcion puede ser cualquier europeo no solo frances. Los espanoles tambien
rellena esta descripcion.

Daniel

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:23:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Martinez y Ballejo o Vallejo
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> Hola Judith, tu abuelo José Gertrudis Martín Jáuregui, es hijo de José Brígido Martín Covarrubias y María Juliana Jáuregui Íñiguez. Por lo que tu línea de Martínez es en realidad Martín, que a su vez vienen de los Martín del Campo. Tu linea de Martín es como sigue:
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> 1.- José Gertrudis Martín Jáuregui (1850).
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> 2.- José Brígido Martín Covarrubias (1821).
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> 3.- José Toribio Martín del Campo

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Así es Daniel, hay varios mitos aquí en los Altos de Jalisco basadas tan solo en rasgos físicos y culturales. Como ejemplo están los mitos de que descendemos de franceses y de judíos.

La mayoría de mis bisabuelos eran de ojos de color, y ahora una hermana mía y varios de mis primos tienen los ojos de color, pero hasta hoy no he escuchado a nadie de mi familia que hable sobre algún ancestro francés. Ahora se que es un mito, pero es curioso de que en la mayoría de las familias existe ese mito.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Exacto mis abuelos nos dijieron desde chicos que tenemos los ojos claros y gueros porque somos de linaje espanol.
Nunce me han dicho algo de frances. Pero la gente sigue este mito. Mi buen amigo don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal ha escrito sobre los judios y frances y sus mitos en Los Altos, algo de interes.

Daniel Mendez

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:46:25 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Martinez y Ballejo o Vallejo
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> Así es Daniel, hay varios mitos aquí en los Altos de Jalisco basadas tan solo en rasgos físicos y culturales. Como ejemplo están los mitos de que descendemos de franceses y de judíos.
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> La mayoría de mis bisabuelos eran de ojos de color, y ahora una hermana mía y varios de mis primos tienen los ojos de color, pero hasta hoy no he escuchado a nadie de mi familia que hable sobre algún ancestro francés. Ahora se que es un mito, pero es curioso de que en la mayoría de las familias

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Muchas gracias Jorge Luis por tu parte en ayudarme buscar me antepasados. La informacion es inestimable para mi y mi familia. Cuando visitarmos Tepa en la primavera, te vamos a buscar porque los daria mucho gusto en conocerte.

Si no es mucha molesta, yo se que voy a tenir algunas preguntas despres que estudie la imformacion que me han dado. La unica cosa que pienso ahora mismo es que me gustaria saber donde encontrastes la informacion de mis antepasados? Me gusta documentar toda la informacion que encuentro.

Gracias y hasta pronto.
Judith (Gerry) Marentes
Plano, Texas
windmillbb@aol.com

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Claro que si Judith, toda la información que te he proporcionado la he tomado de www.familysearch.org y en muchos otros casos de los archivos parroquiales de las parroquias de Tepatitlán y Jalostotitlán. Siempre que tengo alguna duda en algún registro de la página web antes mencionada trato de revisar físicamente el acta para asegurarme de los datos.

Aquí en Tepa tienen a un amigo para cuando gusten visitarnos.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Hola, soy Jose Maria Vallejo Mercado, espero que ahora puedas tener todos tus genearcas, y te envio tus ramas en linea directa.

Felipe Vallejo Ramirez, hermano de Jose Guadalupe Vallejo Ramirez, tatarabuelo de mi padre.

hijos de Jose Mariano Vallejo Reynoso y Maria Dolores Ignacia Ramirez Alvarez,

hijo de Jose Manuel Vallejo Alvarez y Dominga Reynoso.

hijo de Antonio Justo Vallejo Herrera y Sra. Alvarez Tostado este dato te lo debo para enseguida ya que lo tengo en tu casa y ahorita estoy en la oficina.

hijo de Lucas Vallejo Cornejo y Tomasa o Tomasina Herrera.

Hijo de Jose Vallejo Gordivar y Micaela Cornejo.

Hijo de Antonio Vallejo y ?.

Este caballero Antonio Vallejo nacio en Valle de las Amilpas, en Estado de Mexico al igual que Jose y Lucas, y las demas generaciones nacieron en lo que antes era el

Municipio de Jalostotitlan, Jal.

Por el lado Jauregui que anteriormente era solo Jaure, vienen de Nochistlan de Mejia , Zacatecas que fue la primer Guadalajara

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Hola Raul: Lo siento, pero mi español no es muy bueno. Estoy buscando familia de mi padre y veio que tienes varios de los nombres que búsquo. Mis abuelos fueron José Gertrudis Martínez n. 1850 y Cruz Norberta Ballejo (o Vallejo)n. 1882. El padre de mi abuela y su madre fueron Felipe Ballejo / Vallejo n. 1829 y Sixta Cruz o Santa Cruz n. 1841. Sus padres también están en su lista. Por favor, hágamelo saber cómo contactar con usted para obtener más información. Estoy muy alegre de finalmente encontrar a alguien que puede estar relacionado. Gracias por su respuesta. Judith Marentes de Texas

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hola mi nombre es Jose Maria Vallejo Mercado, soy de Jalostotitlan, Jal. mi padre es Andres Vallejo Vallejo, y en Jalostotitlan, es la cuna de los Vallejo, que vinieron de Chalco Estado de Mexico, siendo Lucas Vallejo, que nacion en 1623 y vinoa radicar lo que ahora es Canadas de Obregon, y de el venimos todos los Vallejo de la region.

Soy aficionadfo a la genealogia y dices que tu abuelo era Felipe Vallejo esposo de Sixta Cruz o

si pudieras tener el npmbre del padre de Felipe y la madre seria mas facil seguir tu arbol genealogico. mi correo es josema.vallejo@hotmail.com, para cualquier informacion. Soy de Jalostotitlan, Jal.

De hecho hay un Ciudad en California que se llama Vallejo, fue en honor del General Guadalupe Mariano Vallejo, que nacio un 4 de Julio de 1807, en MOnterey, California, hijo de Vicente Ferrer Vallejo que nacio en Jalos en el ano de 1748, hijo a la vez de Geronimo Vallejo, que debio haber nacido en 1721, este hijo de Lucas Vallejo que nacio en 1688

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Hola José María, gusto en volver a tener contacto contigo, nos e si me recuerdes, soy el joven de Tepatitlán que realizó la recolección de los kits para revisar el ADN en los Altos.

Ahora que mencionas a José Vallejo Gordívar, y que era hijo de un tal Antonio Vallejo me gustaría preguntarte sobre ellos, porque yo soy descendiente de José Vallejo y Micaela Cornejo, y solo tengo eso. No se nada mas de ellos y ahora que mencionas el Gordívar y el padre me gustaría que me dijeras por favor de donde tomaste esa información si no es mucha molestia.

Te agradezco de antemano cualquier dato.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Hola Jorge Luis, claro que me acuerdo de ti, me da gusto.

Fijate que la informacion la consegui del Dr. Mariano Gonzalez Leal de su libro Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia, el me facilito dicha informacion el 02 de Agosto de 2008, que estuvo en Valle de Guadalupe dando una conferencia.

Jose Vallejo Gordivar y Micaela Cornejo, tuvieron entre otros hijos a Alonso, una hermana y a Lucas ) este es mi genearca), de hecho tengo conocimiento de un Sr. Jose Maria Vallejo que fue presidente de Tepatitlan, por el ano de 1837.

De hecho de mis 16 tatarabuelos tengo 4 que se apellidan Vallejo, dos descientes de Antonio Justo, y los otros dos descienden de un Ignacio Vallejo, que nacio por el ano de 1770, padre de Agustin Vallejo que caso en el ano de 1813, casado con Ana Maria Reynoso, de hecho me falta un eslabon para conectarlo con Lucas Vallejo casado con Tomasa o Tomasina Herrera.

En caso que tu tengas informacion te agrtadeceria si la compartas.

Te menciono que tengo un

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1820 Padron (Census) of Jalpa, Zac

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Hello,
I've scanned in the images from the 1820 Census of the Parish of Jalpa, Zacatecas. I hope they'll be useful to you, especially since the records for Jalpa in the early 1800s are so scant.

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In looking at the Pi Symbol which is found below a group of names and then often followed by a number.. I am thinking this is a "P" which sometimes looks like a P and sometimes like Pi
.. I am comparing it to letter in a persons name especially in image 8, the left page.. on the left column. the 6th group of names The name is Maria Petronilla
written as a PI symbol. The Next name is Pedro Antonio Cartucho. The P in Pedro is the traditional style P letter.

In thinking about the P ..... ( Insert No. 1, 2, 3)
Perhaps it was for Parvulo.. Todlers.. and meaning not yet confirmed ? Is this church census Naming those confirmed in the church ?
Or Perhaps.. P for Pagano Pagans.. not members of the church ?
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Al analizar el símbolo Pi que se encuentra por debajo de un grupo de nombres y luego a menudo seguida de una serie .. Estoy pensando que esto es una "P" que a veces se parece a una P y, a veces, como Pi
.. Me estoy comparando con letra en un nombre de las personas sobre

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Reguarding the Church ceunsus and the Line at the end of each families name with the "P" and a number following. i am thinking that perhaps the "P" in these Documents may be a Donation; solicited at the time of the Church census. "P" for Pago meaning payment.
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En cuanto al censo de la Iglesia y de la línea al final de cada nombre de las familias y la "P" con un Numero despues de ella. Estoy pensando que quizás la "P" en estos documentos puede ser una donación; solicitado en el momento del censo Iglesia. "P" para el pago

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Ingles:
I am beginning to index these 12 Census images. In my PDF I will Bracket
(Translations I Am Unsure Of) If there is someone else who researches this Area; Calvillo,Ags. - Jalpa, Zac. - Huanusco; who would be willing to review the questionable translation sections I would appreciate it.
... Or Please let me know if someone else has already indexed these images.

Espanol:
Estoy empezando a índice de estas 12 imágenes del Censo. En mi PDF voy a poner entre corchetes
(Las traducciones no estoy seguro de) Si hay alguien que investiga esta zona; Calvillo, Ags. - Jalpa, Zac. - Huanusco; que estaría dispuesto a revisar las secciones de traducción cuestionables yo agradezco.
... O Por favor, hágamelo saber si alguien ya ha indexado estas imágenes.

Escrituras 1691 - 1738, Padrones 1639 - 1735

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I was looking at microfilm of Escrituras:
Escrituras 1691 - 1738
Film/DGS # 169054

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The"seals" that are occasionally seen on the old documents are actually tax stamps, or evidence of taxes paid to the crown.

To collectors, these are referred to as "revenue stamped paper," or "renta papel sellado," and in Spain they date from a decree signed by Felipe IV on October 6,1636.

The design of the stamp changed each year, and was to be available in four sellos: primero, segundo, tercero, and quatro. A different fee or tax was charged for each. The most important documents were primero and these cost the most, being charged per page.

In the Spanish colonies they date from December 1638. Rather than changed every year, these were valid for two years.

In the 1640/41 period the primero was 24 reales; the segundo, 6 reales; the tercero, 1 real; and the quarto, 1/4 real.

You can occasionally find documents with these tax stamps at stamp dealers. The cost varies quite a bit: generally earlier complete documents in good condition with clear impressions will be quite expensive

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Antonio,
It's been a long time since I've looked at the Census film 168804 in
search of more information on the residents of Jalpa, Zac. My records
indicate that there was only a burned cover page, but no specific list
of residents. Pages from other towns seemed to have been intermingled
with the 1769 Xalpa. Did you come across other pages for Jalpa.

As for the "Escrituras," can you give more details about the records
contain or focus on? I am not familiar with them and doubt many others
know these records.

Arturo G

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Yes Arturo, I am pretty sure there is a census of Jalpa on the microfilm. I am familiar with the name of a town in Zacatecas called, "Jalpa" and when I was scrolling threw the microfilm there was "Xalpa" and lists of people living there. But to be sure, I will be making more trips to the LDS center to view the microfilm on "Escrituras". Then I will take a look again at the microfilm on Xalpa and be sure. I will try to make copies if there is a census. That new machine they have in the LDS center takes a long time just to make one copy. Because you have to first put in the film, then put in the lens. Focus the lens. Then press scan, which the picture goes to another computer. There you can adjust picture and save on computer. The older machine they used to have there was much faster, less tecnology, but did get the job done. When I was browsing the "Escrituras" I was totally excited and was reading the first few pages. But the aide that was helping me make a copy, ended up

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APELLIDOS RANGEL AGUASCALIENTES ZACATECAS JALISCO

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Hola a todos,

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I had not realized that I had mistakenly written “Teresa De Tovar” instead of “Tovar De Teresa” in my comments. I remember a few years ago someone else wrote “Teresa De Tovar” when he was still alive and he was very irritated by that mistake.

Rick A. Ricci

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Víctor,

Me da gusto saber que somos parientes até talvez cercanos. Me madre nació en la ciudad de México mas se crió en la ciudad de Aguascalientes donde mi abuelo nació. Entre varios parientes eran los González de Hermosillo, Striker, García de Rojas, Fernández Villa, Gómez de Portugal y los Guinchard quien eran bancarios destacadas durante el siglo XIX, tengo varios documentos sobre ellos. Creo que seamos parientes por los Guinchard, Macías Valadés, García y los Villalpando. Te enviaré otro mensagen.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Victor,

Your Rangel's seem to have originated in Asientos, Aguas., These are my wife's Rangel's also. In Asientos there were at least three Jose Rangel & Dolores Esparza's listed in the records there. the first one is Jose Timoteo Rangel & Dolores Esparza who were having kids in the early 1780's. The second Jose Rangel & Dolores Esparza were married May 23, 1790. And the third Jose Rangel & Dolores Esparza were married in 1818.
I have Jose Rangel #2 listed as Gil Rangel's father. My wife comes up thru Bartolo Rangel, Gil's brother, and son of Jose Rangel & Dolores Esparza #2. I have six kids listed for Jose #2. This Jose Rangel is the son of Joseph Thadeo Rangel & Maria Casilda Gertrudis Nabarro married April 22, 1743 in Asientos. I can trace this line back three more generations past Joseph Thadeo Rangel.
I have ten kids listed for Gil Rangel & Ciriaca Garcia but I did not have your Merced Rangel in my list. A side note on Ciriaca Garcia's father Santiago Garcia, after his

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Definitivamente, el padre de Merced Rangel es GIl Rangel, quien es hijo de José Timoteo Rangel.
Cabe recalcar que Gil Rangel tuvo a su cargo diversas haciendas que incluían prácticamente una tercera parte del estado de Aguascalientes, en la parte nororiental y norte del estado de Aguascalientes.

Mi padre comenta que José Timoteo Rangel está ligado a los Romo de Vivar a través de diversos matrimonios, y así sucesivamente varias generaciones hacia arriba hasta alcanzar una línea de Judíos Sefardis, que se proclaman descendientes directos del Rey David. A través de María Rangel de Pegueros que era descendiente de un judío convertido llamado Abraham Ha Levi.

Cualquier información al respecto favor de avisarme.

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Definitivamente, el padre de Merced Rangel es GIl Rangel, quien es hijo de José Timoteo Rangel.
Cabe recalcar que Gil Rangel tuvo a su cargo diversas haciendas que incluían prácticamente una tercera parte del estado de Aguascalientes, en la parte nororiental y norte del estado de Aguascalientes.

Mi padre comenta que José Timoteo Rangel está ligado a los Romo de Vivar a través de diversos matrimonios, y así sucesivamente varias generaciones hacia arriba hasta alcanzar una línea de Judíos Sefardis, que se proclaman descendientes directos del Rey David. A través de María Rangel de Pegueros que era descendiente de un judío convertido llamado Abraham Ha Levi.

Cualquier información al respecto favor de avisarme.

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Definitivamente, el padre de Merced Rangel es GIl Rangel, quien es hijo de José Timoteo Rangel.
Cabe recalcar que Gil Rangel tuvo a su cargo diversas haciendas que incluían prácticamente una tercera parte del estado de Aguascalientes, en la parte nororiental y norte del estado de Aguascalientes.

Mi padre comenta que José Timoteo Rangel está ligado a los Romo de Vivar a través de diversos matrimonios, y así sucesivamente varias generaciones hacia arriba hasta alcanzar una línea de Judíos Sefardis, que se proclaman descendientes directos del Rey David. A través de María Rangel de Pegueros que era descendiente de un judío convertido llamado Abraham Ha Levi.

Cualquier información al respecto favor de avisarme.

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Dear Victor.

Research on the Romo de Vivar and Rangel families have been going on for centuries. Unfortunately, much of the past research has been taken for granted and it needs to be reevaluated. Before el señor Teresa de Tovar passed away, he stated that Diego Romo de Vivar was married to a different Rangel Peguero then the one we have all listed for decades. He did not give all the information or sources because he stated that we needed to wait until he finished the book.

If el señor Teresa de Tovar is correct, then the line still descends from judeoconversos. The two different spouses that are given for Diego Romo de Vivar both descend from the Ha Levi family. Contrary to what many genealogists state, the romo de vivat rangel family obviously has judeoconverso roots.

The question of the different spouses brings up the question "Are we dealing with two different Diego Romo de Vivar"s If they are different Diego Romo de Vivar then is it possible that we descend from

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Mr. Ricci,

Is this the Diego Romo de Vivar that's with Maria Rangel or a different
one. Is he the inquisidor and what is an inquisidor? is that a job.

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Danny,

Yes, s the same Diego Romo de Vivar that we are talking about. The question becomes. Who are his parents and which wife Rangel Peguero are we talking about. Sr. Teresa's de Tovar lists a different wife for the Diego Romo de Vivar that we have considered our progenitor. And this Diego was busy working in the mines and is not found in the list of inquisitors in the early 1600's. The information that we have been passed down over many decades was that our Diego Romo de Vivar was a member of the inquisition. The other Diego is the only one listed as an official of the inquisition and he has different parents. We need to investigate Sr teresa de Tovars claims..

He was not always right even though he claimed to be a stickler for primary sources. Teresa de Tovar refused to acknowledge that I had discovered an error in a line that he published with Mariano Gonzalez Leal. I gave him court records on a property that showed that they had made a slight mistake where they

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Dear Danny,

Here is what Mr. Teresa de Tovar wrote in another post here on the nuestroranchos website. When I asked him to elaborate, he stated that I would have to wait for the book to come out.:

"(Diego Romo era natural de Rielves, Toledo, que es Castilla y no de
Sevilla, que es Andaluca. Su partida de bautizo en Rielves, Toledo, est
fechada en 12 de marzo de 1589. Era hijo de Diego Romo de Vivar y de
Catalina Perez.
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> Maria Rangel Ortz Peguero era de las familias que a mediiados del siglo
XVI se establecieron en las Villas de San Miguel y Guanajuato. Era hija de
Diego Rangel Peguero y Cuadrado y de Juana Ortiz)"

If Mr Teresa de Tovar is correct than the line given on that website that you are offering as evidence is incorrect.

We need to investigate the ancestry of Maria Rangel Peguero since there are two of them being given as the wife of this Diego Romo de Vivar. We also need to investigate the information that we is being given on Diego Romo De Vivar since there are

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Mr. Ricci,

I've notices that Geni.com makes a lot of errors, so I dont know how
reliable their information is but they have Maria Rangel Ortiz Peguero
married to Diego Romo de Vivar. But it looks like they're just using the
same Diego Romo de Vivar married to a different Maria Rangel. These Rangels
dont look like they descend from the Ha levi family though, at least it's
not mentioned here.

http://www.geni.com/people/Diego-Romo-de-Vivar-y-P%C3%A9rez/60000000092…

Danny C. Alonso

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Regarding geni.com, please use this (as well as other published trees) as more of a hint source for further research. My experience with geni.com was not good. I found my husband's family there and I started filling in the blanks. I found an error with dates and birthplace for his grandmother. I contacted geni.com and their procedure is for you to contact the person/manager who entered the original post. I thought it would be easy and exciting to possibly connect with a family member (as I have done on here as well as ancestry.com). I told the "manager" who I was and let them know the corrected information that I had. They were not interested. I had documents as well as my mother in law to corraborate the correct information. They still did not make the correction. I contacted the developer of the site and he was pretty non-commital, explaining that the policy is the person who adds someone to the tree becomes the manager. It is up to them to make any edits. To me, that leaves a HUGE

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Sheri,

I agree about the Geni.com, they're always filled with wrong information. I
think when someone mentions a theory on the Nuestros Ranchos Forum they
also just steal the idea and put it on there Geni site like it's already
proven. I don't use them at all. I only trust the information at the Austin
Perez Wikitree and the information on geneanet.org that's the only trees I
use to help me.

Danny C. Alonso

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I am not new to Nuestros Ranchos but new to comment since I had not felt prepared enough to know what to state. I posted my first comment yesterday the 17th of Jan 2018. I have spent hours reading the LDS FamilySearch records for Hidalgo del Parral and see many records of Juan Rangel (y Viesma) but very few for Romo de Vivar even tho Felipe Reyes Romo states that Diego R de V and Maria Rangel were there from 1626-1656. One would expect to find entries for baptisms, deaths or even marriages over a 30 year period in the Parral records. What is your view on this and the issue of 2 Maria de Rangel? I hope I can find a descendency line I can trust.

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Definitivamente, el padre de Merced Rangel es GIl Rangel, quien es hijo de José Timoteo Rangel.
Cabe recalcar que Gil Rangel tuvo a su cargo diversas haciendas que incluían prácticamente una tercera parte del estado de Aguascalientes, en la parte nororiental y norte del estado de Aguascalientes.

Mi padre comenta que José Timoteo Rangel está ligado a los Romo de Vivar a través de diversos matrimonios, y así sucesivamente varias generaciones hacia arriba hasta alcanzar una línea de Judíos Sefardis, que se proclaman descendientes directos del Rey David. A través de María Rangel de Pegueros que era descendiente de un judío convertido llamado Abraham Ha Levi.

Cualquier información al respecto favor de avisarme.

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