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Thank you Mary Lou Montagna for providing the information and thank you Manny for putting it together and sharing such great information.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!

Hola:

Muchas gracias, lo vamos a revisar con detenimiento para buscar las relaciones con nuestros ancestros, me pareció muy interesante tener el nombre de las estancias que existían en aquél entonces, porque pocas fuentes históricas las citan.

Por cierto el apellido Faras es correcto, es de una familia que se estableció en Parral y hay la variante Faras de Amaya. Se cree que es un apellido de origen judío pero yo personalmente creo que es moro.

Saludos

Marcelina

Hello Candy. My grandfather born in San Sebastian del Oeste in 1908 and I found his birth certificate contacting the person who is in charge of the museum, her email is: mlupitbe@hotmail.com I talked with Maria Guadalupe and she told me that many information can be get it in the church, but if you send her an email with the information that you have, maybe she can help you.

Candis:

Welcome to the group. It is great to have you here and I am hoping that we can help you out getting started with Mexican genealogy.

The best resource for geography in 19th century Mexico is Antonio Garcia Cubas. This great Mexican geographer published perhaps the most complete and beautiful atlas of Mexico in the 1860s and with it published a dictionary of Mexican geography and biography which includes the names of almost every rancho (rural village), pueblo and city in Mexico at the time.

You will find a link to an electronic version of his dictionary maintained by the Colegio de Mexico in the Nuestros Ranchos links section under Geography - Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico de Mexico. You can find his atlas online in the David Rumsey digital map collection which is in the same links section of the site under Digital Map Collections.

For the most part, except for larger cities, municipal boundaries more or less coincide with parrish boundaries in Mexico.

Any one in Rancho's in need of a look-up, with a hard copy within the next 3 days, I will be happy to do the look-up for you.
Helyn

If I am asking inappropriate questions, please forgive me.

Candy wrote:

Hello, I am new to this site so please excuse my ignorance in researching Mexican records. I am familiar with the record system in southern Italy but I have no clue about searching records in Jalisco. I would appreciate any help in learning how the births, deaths, and marriages were reported in Jalisco during the late 1800s. I think that there were prebably two records of each event; one civil and one church. I wonder if the records were kept in each village or were they sent to a bigger, centralized location?

Although I am the one doing the searching, I am doing it for my friend, Edward Bedoya Plazola. He was born in 1934 in Azusa, California a few months after his father died. Although he was the youngest of 14 children, the family didn't talk that much about his

Hi, Joseph,

Unfortunately, we don't have a VR Arcade such as you describe. But in one of those free streaming channels in my Roku, I recently watched a video of this guy who walks thru different states in Mexico, visiting points of interest. The video was on Los Pinos, Zacatecas, which from what I have found is one of the major areas where my maternal ancestors come from.

Of course, it wasn't to the degree of "flying" over the areas but it still had an emotional tug on me, knowing that my ancestors trekked through some of those streets and took their babies to be baptized in their "parroquias."

Arleen

Sounds cool Joseph

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Recently in Durham a city not too far from where I live opened a Virtual
Reality Arcade. Awhile back I went in and tried it for the first time and
thought it was cool but I'm not a gamer so most of the stuff didn't appeal
to me, but nevertheless. . .

So now some time went by and I needed to run into Durham and it happened
that the VR Arcade was having a 50% off sale (regular is 20 bucks for 30
minutes but this time it was 10 for 30 minutes and if you book two you get
70 minutes for 20 bucks). What appealed to me was that I was going to go in
and spend my time exploring the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, Lake
Victoria, etc.

So what happened. I went in and found myself spending the whole 70 minutes

Luevano serna line

A day after discovering that one of your Serna line was originally De la Cerda,
I decided to search your other Serna line as De La Cerda or Lopez De la Cerda.

Bingo!

Maria Salome Serna is baptized Maria Salome Cerda Dias on the 29/Oct/1826 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.

I originally had Ma. Salome’s father as Leocadio Serna. Her father is José Leocadio de la Cerda who was baptized on 18/Dec/1791 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
Jose Leocadio de la Cerda is the son of Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce.

Maria Salomés mother, Ramona Dias, was baptized with the name “Maria Gertrudis Ramona Dias Avila”. Ramona’s parents are Jose Vicente Diaz De Santiago and Petra Josefa Avila. Ramona Diaz passes away before 3/Mar/1832.

José Leocadio de la Cerda (Serna) marries again on 3/Mar/1832 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco to Maria Mariana De Soto, daughter of José María De Soto and Rafaela Gonzalez.

Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce were married 20

A) Toribio Hernández de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza ( I have previously posted the probable ancestry to Toribio Hernandez De Arellano)

B) Ana Sanchez (the Sanchez surname comes from Toribio’s father) and Juan Becerra

C) Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Lopez De Elizalde (son of Miguel Lopez De Elizalde and Maria De Aberruza)

Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza are the parents of Maria Lopez De Elizalde, the wife of 1). Juan Luevano [1].

1). Juan Luevano [1] (born in 1590’s) and Maria Lopez De Elizalde {daughter of c) Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza}

2). Juan Luevano [2] (born abt 1617) and Maria Alvarado (daughter of Pedro Alvarado and Magdalena Frías)

3). Juan Luevano [3] (born in 1647) and Maria Delgado (daughter of Jose Delgado and Francisca Gabay) (Francisca Gabai descends from Moctezuma II)(Francisca Gabai also descends from Lope Ruiz De Esparza. I have previously posted info on Lope’s ancestry

Dear Pat,

Here is the baptismal record of your grandfather Jose del Socorro Luebano Martinez:

.José del Socorro Luebano
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 18 May 1892
Event Place La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Tiburcio Luebano
Mother's Name Manuela Martinez
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9HT-GTR : 16 February 2017), Tiburcio Luebano in entry for Jose del Socorro Luebano, 18 May 1892; citing Baptism, La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 1,155,558.

The link to the actual record is :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ?i=668&cc=18745…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ.jpg?ctx=CrxCtx…

Correction as to José María Martinez’s parents surnames

I believe that José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez De Sotomayor and Maria Margarita De los Dolores De la Cerda.

I had mistakenly written Serna instead of Cerda. I had also left out “De Sotomayor “ The full surname is Martinez De Sotomayor.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Pat,

Estanislao Luebana son of Alejo Luevano and Maria De Jesus Gil

Alejo Luevano is the son of Jose Luevano and Thomasa Carrion

Maria De Jesus Gil is the daughter of Francisco Gil and Petra Efegenia Casillas

Maria Salome is the daughter of Cipriano GOMEZ and Maria Manuela Macias

Francisco Gil is the son of Juan Gil and Bernarda Lopez (aka Ruiz De Esparza)

Here is the mulatto side of the family:

Petra Efigenia/ Efegenia Casillas is the daughter of Juan Casillas and Maria Jacinta De Moya (both Juan and Maria Jacinta are free mulattos)

Maria Jacinta de Moya was the daughter of Juan De Moya (slave) and Juana De la Cruz

You can find some of this info at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Luevana-96

Not all my information is in the wikitree lines so don’t forget to compare the information I am providing to what is posted in wikitree.

I am related to you distantly through many of these lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear. Pat,
Here is more information for your family tree:

Maria Fermina Ruvalcaba is the daughter of Juan Manuel Rubalcaba and Maria Francisca Yanes (aka Aguayo).

Maria Fermina is bap. On 8/Jul/1832 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco

Juan Manuel Ruvalcaba is the son of Antonio Gonzalez De Ruvalcaba and Manuela De Soto.

Maria Francisca Yáñez is the daughter of Hegenio Villanueva and Maria Albina Yáñez

Juan Manuel and Maria Francisca Yáñez were married 1/Oct/1828 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Pat,

Jose Pablo Luevano and Maria Manuela Serna were married on 3/May/1844 (Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco)
Jose Pablo Luevano (born in 1816, baptized on 10/Mar/1816, Villa Hidalgo) is the son of Estanislao Luevano and Maria Salome Gomes. Estanislao and Ma,Salome were married in 9/Sep/1812 in Aguascalientes.
Maria Manuela Serna (bap. 26/Dec/1828, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco) is the daughter of Leocadio Serna and Ramona Diaz.

Jose Timoteo and Fermina were married on 3/Mar/1851 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco.
Jose Timoteo Martínez (bap. 7/Feb1826, Villa Hidalgo, Jal.) is the son on José María Martinez and Maria Paula Lopez.
Timoteo married a second time to Yrinea Gallegos in 1869.
José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez and Margarita De la Serna.

Maria Paula De la Merced Lopez is bap. 3/Feb/1799 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco is the daughter of Jose Luciano Lopez and Maria Petra del Carmen De Olmos.
José María And Ma.Paula De la Merced were married on 11/Aug/1816 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco

Wow! According to his IM, Cristobal Lopez cc Micaela Moreno de Quezada was hijo de padres no conocidos. Now we know who his biological mother is! Here's his 22 Dec 1703 IM with Micaela Moreno, who was hija natural of Manuel Moreno de Quezada and Nicolasa Narvaez (who herself was hija natural of Francisco Narvaez and Catalina de la Cruz of SLP, and sister of Francisca Narvaez, biological mother of Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BLSJ-R?cc=1804458
And here's their marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW9S-BS?i=30&wc=3PS9-P…

Great find, for anyone who descends from these folks!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Dear Lisa,

Gerardo Lomelin and Josefa Delgadillo had at least two daughters that married two brothers. A third brother also married a girl surnamed Lomelin that I suspect is also a daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josepha Delgadillo. I am also stuck at Gerardo Lomelin and Josepha Delgadillo. I was hoping that you would provide the information that you have on this family so that I may be able to put it together with the pieces of the puzzle that I have. I’m hoping that puttting the pieces together will provide more clues.

Thanks
Rick A. Ricci

Hi Lisa,

This has happened to all of us that one marriage record where parents are not listed
or "no conocido", etc. I find it annoying, but the search must go on. I have several
Nochistlan lines that go to this period 1710-1727 or so where the parents are not
listed. Your best bet would be the bautismos to see if any Gerardos are in there.
I only have one Gerardo de Lomelin baptized 7 Dec 1678 it is a strong possibilty
this may be your ancestor I say this because the Lomelin usually stayed in Nochistlan,
only after the XVII century did they heavily marry outside Nochistlan. This Gerardo
was son of Gabriel de Lomein and Melchora de los Reyes. You could also
try looking for a death record. Pin pointing when he had his last child whether
it says ya difunto o vivo, this creates a time frame when he should have died. You
should do the same Josepha Delgadillo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Hi Debbie,

I'm seeing the parents of Francisco Perez as Jose Antonio Perez & Maria Dolores Rangel (also Maria Antonia Rangel), and parents of Petra Hernandez as Urbano Hernandez & Maria Guadalupe Perez (Indios). Here is Pedro Pablo's baptism 01 Jul 1828:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ75-T?i=238&wc=3PSM-G…

He was born on Santa Rita, which was a hacienda located in the northern portion of Sierra de Pinos, and today called Villa Hidalgo, Zac.

Here is Gregoria Perez's 10 May 1826 baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ4J-Q?i=95&wc=3PSM-GP8

Urbano Hernandez was son of Victoriano Hernandez & Maria de San Juan, and Maria Guadalupe Perez was daughter of Juan Perez and Maria Dolores Silva, per the 06 Mar 1806 baptism record of Jose Rudesindo Hernandez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW2Z-M?i=610&wc=3PS9-J…

Hope that helps!
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

hi to you ed my name is stephanie martinez and my 9th great grandparents were known as diego delgadillo and or maria isabel calderon ososco looking forward to hearing from you and or cousins in this group as i have some major brickwalls and cant find some of the earlier records pertaining to these individuals and many others. i do have a tree via ancestry.com dna has been submitted and or uploaded to gedmatch genesis my heritage and or family tree dna website.

Hi,

Send me a message through the group. I have a suggestion for you.

Rosalinda

Welcome, Delia. I love seeing new members with ties to Mezquital del Oro, Zac. My father was born in the US but was raised in Mezquital. His parents returned to Mexico when he was just a few months old. His father, Secundino Castaneda Cida, was born in Mezquital del Oro, Zac. in 1902. Secundino's great grandmother was a Flores, but I haven't been able to find very much information on her or her husband. Definitely look into FamilySearch.org, if you haven't already. I have been able to find a lot of great records there for free. Best of luck to you!
Sandra

Delia, if you haven't already seen this, it should help jump start your research. It's free, but you'll have to register as a user to view most docs.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95L8-6MX?i=503&wc=MDPS…

Sorry Joseph my email is annaa_smith@yahoo.com
Thank you
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Hola Janene:

La Sierra Gorda de Querétaro ha sido un territorio difícil de conquistar y de controlar. Después de la Segunda Intervención Francesa (1867) el territorio fue controlado por el resto del ejército conservador comandado por el General Rafael Olvera Ledesma hasta finales del siglo XIX. Después de ésto el control de la zona se dividió en varios cacicazgos, lo dueños de la tierra tenían sus pequeños ejércitos y no siempre colaboraban con el gobierno. Estas fricciones pudieron haber causado la muerte de Miguel Ramírez. La información sobre su muerte puede estar en el Archivo del Tribunal Superior de Justicia de Querétaro, puedes acceder a su portal electrónico en línea.

Respecto de su participación en acciones de guerra es necesario distinguir entre la Revolución Mexicana que fue desde 1910 y al guerra cristera que fue a principios de los años 30s.

Sería importante saber en dónde nació Miguel Ramírez.

Saludos

Marcelina

Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa and Juana de Lomelín were married on Tuesday, 12 Sep 1628, in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.

[Foja s/n frente] "Año 1628 - don Rodrigo de Carbajal y doña Juana Lomelín ----- En doçe días del mes de setiembre de mill Y seysçientos y beynte y ocho años, cassé y belé a don Rodrigo de carbajal y Vlloa con doña Juana Lomelín hija de Carlos Lomelín Y de maría de benavidez su muger. fueron sus Padrinos Juan yñigues y Andrea cortez ffhas prim.o Las amonestaciones y lo firmé. ----- . . . Juan de Estrada (rúbrica)."

Their marriage record is in Microfilm # 0226724, Marriages 1627-1686, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.

Acta matrimonial de Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa & Juana de Lomelín - 12 Sep 1628, Nochistlán

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-732-88?cc=1804458&wc=3…

Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1627-1686 > image 142 of 307

Fuente: "México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images

Aqui se puede ver que la información es correcta: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH5D?i=141&cc=1804458&…. Se encuentra en la pagina 142 del rollo 226724. El libro pertenece a la parroquia de Mexticacan.
Yo también tengo antecedentes Lomeli en Mexticacan pero solo alcanzo hasta medios de los 1700 con Julio de Lomeli y su esposa Maria Marcela de los Dolores de Jauregui.
¡Buena suerte!

Rick Fernández

Hola Sergio,

El libro de José Luis está correcto. El acta de matrimonio de Rodrigo de
Carvajal y Juana de Lomelín se encuentra en el Film No. 0226724 Matrimonios
1627-1686 Nochistlán, Zacatecas.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carbajal
deMexticacan

Segun el libro de "Genealogia de Nochistlan" de Jose Luis Vasquez, esta
pareja se caso el 12 de Septiembre de 1628 en Mexticacan. Busque en el libro
de Matrimonios de Nochistlan pero no encontre esta acta. No saben si el
libro del Sr. Vasquez tiene un error o esta acta se encuentra en otro libro
parroquial de Nochistlan.

Gracias.
Su Amigo Sergio

To talk about Italians in the 16th and 17th century is not entirely accurate as the Country that we know as Italy came together in the 1800’s The Italian Peninsula consisted of many rival city-states in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Lomellini was a family of Genoese origin that spread branches of the family to Portugal and Castilla in the 16th century. This family was deeply involved in business and the transporting of goods over the seas. This Lomelin family that came to what is now Mexico was from Castilla and Genoa. Genoa was closely associated with Castilla at that time. Some other property that now belongs to Italy was aligned with Aragon.

Before Ferdinand and Isabela married, Castilla and Aragon were also rival states. Even through their marriage they had separate administrations as Ferdinand let his personal administrators manage Aragon in his absence. I believe Toribio Hernandez Arellano descends from one of these administrators.

I have written many posts in the