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Raquel,

The two baptisms don't seem to show a huge connection to the Alonso de los Hinojos. There does appear to be some connection to the Flores de la Torre family though. The padrinos of Feliciana on her baptism are Nicolasa Flores de la Torre and Dionicio Macias Valadez. The padrino of her sister Juana Francisca is Cristobal Flores de la Torre, brother of Nicolasa Flores de la Torre, both children of Hernan Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis Ornelas. Cristobal Flores de la Torre's wife Maria Diaz/Dominguez seems to be a peripheral relative of the Alonso de los Hinojos at best. Maria Diaz/Dominguez is the daughter of Miguel Diaz Montanez and Josepha Diaz. Miguel Diaz Montanez is the son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diaz, Sebastiana Diaz is the daughter of Miguel Diaz and Maria Medel and Maria Medel is the daughter of Pedro Medel and Ana Dominguez.

Sebastiana Diaz that's married to Juan Montanez is the sister of the Ana Dominguez that's married to Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos. That

Violet,

María Felícitas was another of the sibling of Leandro. She was christened in Calvillo on 24 Nov. 1871. Her grandparents are listed in the record (Rec. No. 42, 2nd. record in the left hand side page; This image is very blurry and faded):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D14S-GQM

Parents of Antonio Esparza: Jesús Esparza and María San José Acosta

Parents of Atanacia López: Francisco López and Feliciana Salas

The parents of María Villalobos are listed in the record of the pre-marriage information Leandro and María presented on 11 Apr. 1916 (The record starts one image back):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939D-QS92-4P

The parentes of María were Eusebio Villalobos and María Lechuga.

I hope this informations helps you in your search.

Rubén

Hi Yolie,

As Danny stated before, an "Encargado del Registro Civil" is/was the person in charge of the Civil Registry Office, where civil birth, marriage and death records were carried out.

Of course it depends on what time we are talking about, but it used to be an important office and required a person of certain education and position to be in charge of.

I hope this helps.

Yolie,

it just looks like a civil service job. he looks like he's in charge of civil registry, which i think is where they keep birth and marriage records.

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Isabel,

Here is a link to their Wikitree profile:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/P%C3%A9rez-1466

Chris

this might be your people though born earlier

Jose Manuel Ponze
1755–Deceased • M3SP-QVW​
Maria De La Encarnacion Esparza (priest also has her as de la Asuncion)
1758–Deceased • K4LV-1KV

Tadeo Patricio Dabila
1758–Deceased • M7GJ-SJX​
Maria Fransisca Xaviera De Escobedo
Deceased • LQ51-JS2

Josef Antonio Nolasco Felix (de Arellano)
1779–Deceased • 9QH9-29S​
Maria Juliana Dias
1783–Deceased • 2MRS-MMG

one of my third great grandfathers was born there, but not sure if his parents were.

Paul,
I recommend you get this book, "Mexico's Miguel Caldera: The taming of America's first frontier, 1548-1597" to learn about that time--it specifically mentions Tabasco (or Mecatabasco as it was then known)
http://www.amazon.com/Mexicos-Miguel-Caldera-Americas-1548-1597/dp/0816…

Google is also a wonderful starting point to learn about place you haven't come across before.

Tabasco was an important town since the earliest of Spanish colonial days because it was on the Camino Real between Guadalajara and the city of Zacatecas. It was part of the parish of Jalpa then its own parish. Because it was just west of Calvillo, many people from that part of the Jalpa parish would go to Tabasco before 1770; ditto for others in the parish of Jalpa that were geographically closer to Tabasco. So there were plenty of good "reasons" people went to Tabasco.

It's no surprise that many of the towns that are now on highway 54 (which is the original Camino del Real) have origins pre-dating the

IN THE DIGITIZED FILMS, YOU NEED TO GO TO MEXICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS, THEN ZACATECAS, THEN TABASCO.

Hi Paul,

There is an interesting story behind this place. In colonial times the jurisdiction was called Santa Maria de Mecatabasco which
was also the name for the parish. With the reforms of Benito Juarez the municipio was named Tabasco and the parish still
was named S. Maria de Mecatabasco. For some reason Villa del Refugio was also attached to this place. Have not found
this one yet. But all the records will be under Tabasco, Zacatecas. There was rapid movemento in this area which I call
the long lost zone. People from all over would travel to Tabasco it must have been an important site as far as I have studied.
People from Nochistlan, Juchipila, Tlatenango, Villanueva, Zacatecas, Colotlan, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Teocaltiche
would travel to Tabasco for whatever reasons. I have many lines going in-and-out of this area. The church records start
1747 so I would assume everyone stayed in their parish.

What do you have on your Ibarra and Salas, we might share lines in

Hola Jorge Luis,

Me llamó la atención tu comentario sobre los Flores de Villarroel, ¿a cuáles te refieres? Pues supongo que habrá más de una familia o generación con este apellido. Yo tengo a unos Flores de Villarroel en mi ascendencia a través de mi abuela materna. Mi V abuelo, en esa línea, fue don José Francisco Flores de Villarroel (Ocotlán, 1783), hijo de don Juan Manuel Flores Castellanos y su esposa y prima hermana doña María Micaela de Villarroel y Flores, quien casó en segundas nupcias con su prima hermana doña María Rafaela Cabeza de Vaca y Villarroel.

No sé si los Flores de Villarroel que tienes tú sean los mismos que los míos, originarios de Ocotlán, pero si es así sería interesante compartir información.

Saludos,
Daniel

DDII

Hi

Melchor Marin and Luisa were indios and servants of the Tiscareño and Marin de Peñalosa families. Both took the names of the families they served. I've seen at least 12 or 13 children attributed to this couple. Bill Figueroa has commented on them in previous posts as a reason to use caution when researching because of the similar names and how easy it is to confuse families that, in this case, have no blood relation to individuals that are using their apellidos.

Chris

Luisa tiscareno and Marcos Marin (de Penalosa?) are referred as either mestizos or Indios. Luisa Delgado Tiscareno is espanola.

Francisco Marian de Penalosa (the priest writes the name as such) son of Marcos Marin and Luisa Tiscareno marries a Maria Lopes (might be Maria Esparsa as she is from Padres no Conocidos).

I had written that something was not right but many people add their information which with the double names in same family, and same family giving same name during same timeline makes it difficult to sort them out unless, like you notices what is not right. Making the correction is sometimes tricky on Familysearch because there are many users and there are those who believe their line-up is correct, who don't like the designation Don, Capitan, Alferez, etc...

Now the other problem would be to figure out who the parents of Luis Delgado supposedly born 4 March 1649 though I was unable to locate it on pg 172 where the 4th of march is located though the records are really

When I read your post Eddie, I made a search at FamilySearch and found the christening record of José Rafael de la Cruz.

Trying to find the marriage record of his parents I reviewed the records from 1767 going backwards.

The record cought my attention because it was about a Grego-rio (Something) and a Maria Anna Lopes. When I read the full name of the groom in the record I was as surprised as you were.

Have a nice day.

Hello Ed,

Gregorio Antonio de Esparza y Barbosa A.K.A. Gregorio Antonio Barbosa was the son of Onofre José Barbosa and Catarina Banegas. He married Mariana López in Amatlán de Cañas on July 1758. The record of this marriage is the third one of the right hand side page:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-QQ66-X

They had at least two children:

José Rafael de la Cruz christened in Amatlán on 30 Sept 1768

María Josefa Tomasa christened in Cocula on 07 Jan 1783

I hope this information helps in your search.

Rubén

Hi,

I am descended from Juan Esteban de Esparza and María Luciana Preciado through their daughter María Teodora Trinidad, who was born in the Cocula area in 1798. It seems that "Barbosa" was also part of the family name since Gregorio and Esteban appear as "Gregorio Barbosa" and "Esteban Barbosa" in some records. I found the marriage record of Esteban's parents, Gregorio Antonio de Esparza Barbosa and Mariana López; they were married in Amatlán in July 1758. Here's the link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-QQ66-X?mode=g&i=77&wc=M644…

Their firstborn, Ana Ignacia, was born in 1759 and christened "Anna Ygnacia Barbosa Lopes." I haven't found Esteban's baptism record yet, but these other records might give us clues to find it.

Thank you Alex for sharing this information. I already had the name of his father, but had not previously known the name of his mother. Putting this information together with the names of his nephew's parents provide clues to continuing the line in Spain.

I had his father's name as Pedro Casillas. This article states that his father's full name is Pedro Martin Casillas.

Thanks again,

Rick A. Ricci

Under the announcements forum you can see they are seeking assistance in restoring it. I believe the domain lapsed and they are trying to get it back online but need help doing so. Here is the message:

I need someone to help the owner with some technical aspects. The two elements involved are GoDaddy and Blogger. Please email me if you think you can help.

Thanks,
Rosalinda

rruizgenealogy at ix.netcom.com

Hopefully someone can help as it would be a shame to lose all of that work

Rubén,

My paternal family originates in Zamora, Michoacán, it was the "solar novoshispano" of the Méndez de Torres. D. Alonso Hernández Bejarano, "el Viejo" who was married to Da. Ana de Estrada would have been born ca. 1530 so he could be placed as a son, we need more documentation to prove or disprove the link. The record you provided states that Conquistador Alonso Hernández Bejarano;s parents were from La Junciana in the province of Avila in Castilla y León. This is where it seems this family originated from as they have other records in particularly Ejecutorias de Nobleza all from Avila.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Diego Delgadillo is the brother of my direct ancestor, Juan Delgadillo de Islas (same parents, Juan Delgadillo and Maria Concepcion de Islas). Juan was born about 1630 in Nochistlan. ¡Hola prima!

Maria,
Diego Delgadillo is the 6th great-grandfather of my paternal grandfather Rafael Gutierrez-Martin (Via Petronila Delgadillo).

Thank you for the information and please let me know if there is anything you need be to look up on my Family Tree Program.

Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Maria Cortez wrote:
>
> Hi Nena (Maria Elena),

It looks like your Diego Delgadillo is the son of our Diego Delgadillo.
According to my database I was showing 8 children born to Diego Delgadillo
and Petrona de Yslas. In order of birth: Mariana 1655, Thomasa 1657 (my
ancestress), Bernardino 1659, Juan 1668, Catarina 1670, Maria 1672, Agustin
1674, and Christobal 1677. As you can see, there is a gap between
Bernardino and Juan where Diego fits in quite nicely. I looked him up on the
IGI and it did show that he was the son of Diego and Petrona. I have just
added your Diego to my database.

Is this Diego your direct ancestor? If so, we are cousins once again!

Maria

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Hi Maria,

Our Nochistlan family is growing...
I have a couple of questions/comments:

1. I cant' locate a Maria - 1672, what was your source for that info?
There's a Maria Ysla 8 Dec 1672 Nochistlan, parents: Pedro Gaspar y
Petrona De Ysla, is that the record you used?
2. I have a Catalina - 1666 source: F868326, will you please take a look at
that one, and see if it's the same as Catarina 1670?
3. I have a Juana, married to Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado. Her parents noted
on this marriage record --> 8676301 (these batch numbers are getting
strange, no letter, just 7 numbers. I think this has something to do with
what Joseph had shared earlier.
4. Thank you for Bernardino, Agustin and Christobal, I didn't have them.
Pat Silva Corbera

There is a good chance this is the chiristening record of Pedro:

Name: Pedro Nolasco de la Pas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 25 Feb 1810
Event Place: Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1810
Mother's Name: Agapita de la Pas
Maternal Grandfather's Name: Mariano de la Pas
Maternal Grandmother's Name: Tomaza Flores
GS Film Number: 634027
Digital Folder Number: 004739971
Image Number: 00548

Citing this Record:
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ND1R-5V8 : 28 July 2015), Pedro Nolasco de la Pas, 25 Feb 1810; citing Baptism, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 634,027.

The records states hijo legitimo by mistake. There are no father or paternal grandparents listed.

Not all of the Teocaltiche church records (baptisms and marriages) have been extracted. You can check which ones by looking up Teocaltiche in the Family Search catalog. If these films cover a critical time period in your research you will need to look at these films page by page. They are, however, all online at Family Search.

George Fulton

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buen dia

checa a partir de la linea 12 imagen 6
el cual se mencionan los padres y abuelos paternos y maternos en el sigueinte link :

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…

esta es una breve transcripcion de esta parte de este documento:
juan de angon y conocio a tomas de angon e a catalina de san hestevan su mujer su aguelos paternos juan de guena e a catalina de gorgo su mujer su aguelos maternos juan de angon e a catalina de guena su mujer .....

en esta pagina tambien se mencionan a estas personas imagen 7
espero y te ayude

excelente dia
saludos

you are having better luck finding ancestors on that website than me

Hopefully this information may help you find more information.

Here is how I have them listed in my records:

Juan Joseph Perez de Frias and Catalina (Catarina) Lopez de Castro.

Elena de Sotomayor is also known as "Elena Montañez de Sotomayor,"

Rick A. Ricci

Do a google search for "free picture editing software." There will be a number of hits, including at least one that will compare different applications. There are also online applications that you may try as well.

Often these applications will have an auto enhance feature. Sometimes these work, sometimes not. Otherwise it is often a trial and error process with contrast and brightness. Inverting the image (producing a negative image) may be helpful.

This is the record for the couple. To get a better picture of the couple I merged records that were waiting to be merged. the Record for Nicolas Lopes who married a gonzales was interesting in that the Padrinos were Salvador Gonzales married to Petronilla Islas (she could be Petronilla Lozano as records, timeline match). How these people fit in the family pic, I don't know but since there has been quite a bit of discussions on the family of Francisco Gonzales cc Magdalena Lavesares who more than likely are related, someone most likely knows.

Phelipe Lopes
1640–Deceased • MTPM-VVH​
Francisca Gonzales
1640–Deceased • KL7W-F5J​
Marriage: 01 JUL 1662
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jal

I have not gone further back than you on this line and I am not related but I do have two additional children:

Agustina

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7MS8-MQ?i=62&cc=1874591&ca…

and Nicolas

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7MSZ-2X?mode=g&i=64&cc=187…

Alex