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SAN MATIAS SIERRA DE PINOS Matrimonios 1614-1647

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Hola prim@s,

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Hola y gracias:

Me ha encantado la relación que compartiste ya que contiene el nombre de las estancias que hubo en la zona de Sierra de Pinos, pues muchos de los trabajos históricos que describen las haciendas se refieren a los siglos XIX y XX.

Con cuidado voy a revisar cada uno de los registros para saber si existe alguna relación con los linajes que he venido estudiando.

Te deseo un buen fin de año, que te encuentres contento y próspero en compañía de los que más quieres.

Marcelina

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Hola a todos:

Hay varias personas de la familia Ruelas o Roelas en ésta relación. Aunque no me toca estudiar éste linaje en el nodo 23639 propuse el testamento de Joan de las Ruelas, vecino de Zacatecas, marido de María de Arellano y padre de hernando, Beatriz y Leonor de las Ruelas y de Felipa de Vargas, quien testó en Querétaro el 9 de febrero de 1602.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola a todos:

Encontré en ésta relación a la queretana Doña Jusepa Corona y a su pariente Juan de Ocampo.
La cabeza de éste linaje fue el benefactor queretano Don Juan Caballero Osio y Ocampo, sucesor de la familia González Corona de quienes heredó grandes extensiones en la Sierra de Pinos, por tanto doña Jusepa y don Juan de Ocampo pueden ser tíos del benefactor.

Ésta familia se encuentra relacionada con los Villaseñor y con Doña Rosalía Dosal de Madrid, Condesa de San Mateo de Valparaíso.

Saludos

Marcelina

Marcos de Aleman

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Can anyone help decipher the name of Juana Petra Robledo's first husband. It looks like Juan de Dios Arangues. Thanks!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LMZ-WK7

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Hola Simona:

Habiendo leído algunas de las preguntas que has publicado ya sospechaba que la familia Alonso pertenecía a las familias colaterales de la familia Ramírez de Coy y al parecer así es, tomando en cuenta a la familia González-Alemán. Aunque es difícil trazar un seguimiento genealógico porque eran familias que tenían mucha movilidad ya que actuaban en forma de red mercantil te puedo dar algunos elementos históricos para que sitúes a tus antepasados:

La cabeza de la red eran los Duques de Béjar y Marqueses de Gibraleón que exportaban vino y frutos secos a Nueva España, el representante principal parece haber sido mi 11° abuelo Francisco Ramírez Bravo quien organizaba las operaciones en todos los virreinatos. Uno de sus yernos fue Gaspar González de Mora que era concretamente el encargado de distribuir las pipas de vino en las minas de Zacatecas y poblaciones aledañas. Gaspar era polígamo y tuvo problemas con la Inquisición por esta causa. Su primera esposa fue Francisca de

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Que interesante todo lo que sabes de las familias. Te agradesco mucho la history sobre mis antepasados. Tengo mas direcion en que y donde buscar. Hace un mes que el primer primo llamado de Aleman se vuelve a casar en Durango y fue sorpresa que tambien otro pariente.

Marcelina que quiere decir "red mercantil"

gracias por la informacion!!

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Hola Simona:

Es una "network marketing" distribuye ciertos productos, esta red distribuía vino, frutos secos y aceite de oliva que venían de España y telas de Génova, enviaba a España chocolate, acá tenía venta de caballos y mulas e invertía en minas de plata.

Algunas familias tenían grandes propiedades y mucho ganado, esta familia era diferente, tenían propiedades no tan grandes pero con mejores beneficios.

Saludos

Marcelina

Ayuda con la causa de defuncion, Help with Cause of Death - Calvillo, Ags.

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Thanks in Advance to any that offer assistance.
Person Leon de Esqueda Murio Marzo 9 1847, en Jaltiche Calvillo, Aguascalientes.
What is Ograsia ?..? Que quiere decir Ograsia ?

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Hello David,

The word is "Oguio". Other spellings for this word are: ogio, hoguio, ahoguio or oguillo.

It is a synonym of "ahogo" = Difficulty in breathing.

Tracing beyond Mexico to Spain

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Hi!

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Sherri,
My people lived in the Los Altos region of Jalisco. I was able to move several lines back to Spain. A NR member recommended Retoños, the series of books by Mariano Gonzales-Leal. Check WorldCat to see the list of libraries with the set. My grandfather was in the books. His line went back to 1475 in Spain.
Good luck! Lucy

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Have you check pares data base.

On Nov 25, 2017 4:32 PM, wrote:

Sherri, My people lived in the Los Altos region of Jalisco. I was able to
move several lines back to Spain. A NR member recommended Retoños, the
series of books by Mariano Gonzales-Leal. Check WorldCat to see the list of
libraries with the set. My grandfather was in the books. His line went back
to 1475 in Spain. Good luck! Lucy

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Hi Sherri,
The first volume gives an overview of regions, last names covered in the rest of the volumes and some other important info. It’s sort of an index with supplemental info. Good luck. Maven

Mg. Nicolas Rodriguez de Frias y Antonia de Hijar y Mesa

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I am hoping someone can assist me in locating the mg record of this couple
who married on 3 Jan 1655 in Mexticacan. The record should be on or about
image 80 in roll #226724, Nochistlan mat.

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help reading document

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I have a document showing my 6th great grandmother and grandfather's marriage. I do not speak or read spanish.

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This is the pre marriage document for Joseph Domingo Diaz to wed Maria Francisca Josefa Gonzalez dated August 1st 1767

Joseph Domingo Diaz was spanish, originally from the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes and currently living in Teocaltiche, legitimate son of Santiago Diaz and Juana de Villalobos. Juana was dead in 1767. Joseph Domingo Diaz was 40 years old in 1767 and was not previously married.

Maria Francisca Josefa Gonzalez was spanish, originally from and living in Aguascalientes, natural daughter of Maria Antonia Gonzalez. Maria Francisca Josefa was 14 years old in 1767 (not a typo!)

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The reason you are not finding much on the parents is probably because not all of the Teocaltiche records are indexed. I say Teocaltiche because it looks like Santiago and Juana had a daughter born there in 1713.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/294041?availability=Family%…

Only ones with a magnifying glass are text searchable. Also the marriage records from the expected marriage period look like they are missing in Teocaltiche. You may find other baptised children in the unindexed records.

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The record also mentions "Estancia de Villalobos ". So try to research the Villalobos family that owned this Estancia. Another clue may be found in a document after this one that has Diego Villalobos as a witness.

Rick A. Ricci

Ascendencia de Gaspar Martin Barragan

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Saludos Primos y Primas,

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Hola Daniel

Years ago I did some research about the Barragan lastname and here are some of the notes I have :

Por 1539 llega a Nva España Juan Barragán originario de LLerena y se establece primero en Puebla, aunque también se el encontró en Michoacán y en la Nueva Galicia en años posteriores; tuvo los siguientes hijos :
Pedro Martín, Diego Martín y Juan Martín, el cual se avecindó en Zamora, Michoacán y casó por 1585 con Ana de Robledo de Ávalos.

Un hijo de este primer Juan Martín Barragán tambien se llamó así Juan Martín , al cual le llamaré II, este casó con Úrsula de la Huerta en Zamora, Mich. el 6-feb-1621

Otro hijo de Juan Martín I ,llamado Pedro Martín Barragán casó en Zamora, Mich por 1610 con Beatríz Arias de Bedoya ainque su boda aparece en el libro parroquial con fecha del 6-sep-1622 pero al parecer desde ca 1610 vivían juntos, ya que en el censo de 1622 ya aparecen con un hijo llamado Baltazar de 10 años de edad.

Otros hijos fueron : Pedro b. 3-may-1625; Margarita b

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A continuación hago un copy paste de mis notas originales, ojalá sirven como un estímulo para ahondar un poco más sobre ese linaje:

…muy pronto encontré que ya en la edad media española destacaban unos caballeros de ese apellido, es el caso del noveno maestre de la órden Santiago que fue Martín Peláez Barragán en 1218 puesto por Alfonso IX para oponerse al castellanista García González, partidario de Fernando III, recién proclamado rey de Castilla contra la voluntad del leonés. Éste sin embargo, acabaría provocando su dimisión en 1221…(Martín era portero de la cámara de Fernando III) (1)

La información de la edad media y el renacimiento español seguramente contiene más noticias sobre este linaje, pero ese periódo debe ser materia de un trabajo profundo de un especialista, no de un aficionado como es el caso presente.

Habiendo dicho lo anterior, debo decir sin embargo, que no tengo dudas de que de dicho Martín Peláez Barragán descienden los Barraganes Uruapenses por diversos

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Alrededor de 1690 aparece Jose Martin Barragan que a la postre sus descendientes cambiaron su apellido por Martinez de Barragan en la region de Jerez,Zacatecas, y en un documento que encontre en el arzobispado de Guadalajara aprece que es de Zamora, Michoacan, pero no pude determinar quin era su padre ya que hay varios Jose de la misma epoca.

Actualmente hay una rama de Barragan en el rancho san Antonio , de Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.

Diaz from Atepoca

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Just curious if your Diaz line extends to Durango. My mothers family is from Presidios/Tepehuanes and I often wonder if I might someday trace back to Zacatecas, where my fathers family is from.

Caroline

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You can check to see if any of the Diaz in your line migrated from Teocaltiche, Jalisco Mexico to Durango.

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When I was researching my Diaz de Leon ancestry from Los Altos de Jalisco I discovered that one of the lines had left Zacatecas and traveled to Durango The line was originally from Aguascalientes. This line that went to Durango branched off and left some descendants there as others moved back to Zacatecas. One of the things that I remember about this line was that I had trouble putting it together until I found a document that explained that five children had been born before the parents legally married. It turned out that I didn’t descend from this line.

RickA Ricci

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I descend from a relative of the Diaz de Leon that went to Durango. My Diaz de Leon family is from Los Altos de Jalisco and the line comes from Zacatecas, and earlier from Aguascalientes. Manny has provided valuable information on the Diaz de Leon lines.

Rick A. Ricci

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I found the matrimoni information of their child Domingo but I can not read much spanish. I can only under stand basic words and dates.

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There are two couples by this name in Theocaltiche in the 1700's. One of them was baptizing their children in the very early 1700's and the other in the mid 1750's. You would have to provide more information in order to know which couple is the one you are researching.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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This is from my tree. I Started at Julian Diaz

First Generation

1. Jose Julian Diaz1–2 was born in 1799 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1 He was baptized on 21 Feb 1799 in Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1

Second Generation

2. Panuncio Diaz1 was born (date unknown).

3. Carmela Sedillo1–2 was born (date unknown).

Panuncio Diaz and Carmela Sedillo had the following children:

1 i. Jose Julian Diaz, born 1799, Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. José Victoriano Dias3 was born on 2 Sep 1805.3
iii. Jose Luis Dias Sedillo1,4 was baptized on 28 Aug 1796 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1

Third Generation

4. Jose Domingo Diaz2,4 was born (date unknown). Francisca Josepha Gonzalez and Jose Domingo Diaz were married on 2 Sep 1767 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.2

5. Francisca Josepha Gonzalez2,4 was born (date unknown).

Jose

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I don't have the ancestry of Santiago Diaz and Juana Villalobos, but I do have a couple of threads that may lead to more information.

I found a Juana Villalobos (Juana Villalobos Tovar) that is a possibility. Here is her record:

Juana Villalobos Tovar
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Mar 1683
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Hisidro De Villalobos
Mother's Name Franca. Getrudes De Tovar
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQ9-F8N : 12 December 2014), Juana Villalobos Tovar, 15 Mar 1683; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,422.

Rick A. Ricci

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Here is another thread.

Diego and Santiago are cognates. In the 1600's and 1700's, some families used the names interchangeably for the same person. In other families, the two names were never used interchangeably. This next record should be studied to see if it can provide more information into your research of the earlier Santiago Diaz and Juana de Villalobos.

Diego Dias
Spouse's Name Juana De Villalobos
Event Date 23 May 1751
Event Place Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCD7-XQP : 15 July 2015), Diego Dias and Juana De Villalobos, 23 May 1751; citing Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 639,755.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Lagos de Morenos and The Tale of Two Brothers

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I recently spoke to my dad’s tia who was born in 1930. She has been a valuable source of family history for me. Several of her stories have been spot on to the date.

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Dear Caroline,

Here is a record that connects part of your ancestral tree to Jalisco:

Diego De Soto Almeida
Spouse's Name Juana De Gaeta
Event Date 24 Nov 1723
Event Place San Luis,Colotlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Franco. De Soto Almeida
Mother's Name Jna. Magdalena De Salasar
Spouse's Father's Name Thomas De Gaeta
Spouse's Mother's Name Ma. De Almeda
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"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC6V-NGD : 15 July 2015), Franco. De Soto Almeida in entry for Diego De Soto Almeida and Juana De Gaeta, 24 Nov 1723; citing San Luis,Colotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,781.

This record also adds to Magadalena's name as Her name is given as Juana Magdalena de Salazar. This marriage record may also have a marriage dispensation as the spouses both have Almeida in their family tree. A marriage dispensation may provide more information as to their ancestry.

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you Rick. I have these Campos records. I do not know much about the Soto Almeida family, but I know they have a deep history. I have the information for Diego, but no physical record. I will search for the marriage dispensation for more information. Perhaps I will find out more this way. Many thanks for your research.
Caroline

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Dear Caroiline,

It turns out that there is a Manuel Campos Soto in your family tree.. He was baptized on 5/Jun/1715 and married on 17/Feb/1744. Juan Manuel Campos and Maria Antonia de Luna had at least three sons: Pablo Maria Campos Luna, Joseph Agustin Campos Luna, and Antonio Casimiro Campos Luna. Here are a few of this family's records:

Juan Manuel Campos Soto
Gender Male
Christening Date 05 Jun 1715
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Antonia De Soto
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"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZ4-97S : 12 December 2014), Juan Manuel Campos Soto, 05 Jun 1715; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,801

Juan Manuel De Campos
Spouse's Name Maria Anttonia De Luna
Event Date 17 Feb 1744
Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Anttonia De

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Dear Caroline,

I don't have the answer to your question. I was curious however and was wondering if you descend from this couple?

Juan De Campos
Spouse's Name Anttonia De Soto Almeida
Event Date 22 Jun 1711
Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Ysabel Fernandes De Lamas
Spouse's Father's Name Francisco De Soto Almeida
Spouse's Mother's Name Magdalena De Salazar
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZNC-NYQ : 16 July 2015), Ysabel Fernandes De Lamas in entry for Juan De Campos and Anttonio De Soto Almeida, 22 Jun 1711; citing Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,968.

Here is the record of a daughter of Juan Campos and Antonia de Soto Almeida
Geronima Campos Soto
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Oct 1712
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's

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Finding Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento

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Hi everyone

Somebody have any details about Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento (c.1685) and his wife Lorenza de Borja y Gaitan(c.1690)?

They had at least tree sons and two daughters

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Hi Enrique,

I am also related to this couple via my Valencia and Oceguera ancestors and as part of the indexing work that I'm doing in the Archivo del Antiguo Obispado de Michoacan... I turned up a dispensa that provides LOTS of details about Pedro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento Palomino, although there's not much information on his wife Lorenza.

Here's the link to the dispensa for a son of Pedro, Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Gaytan (Originario de Tamazula), and his marriage to Rosa Maria de Cervantes (Originaria de Cotija):

  • Dispensa de segundo con cuarto grado de consanguinidad entre Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento y Rosa Maria de Cervantes y Vargas, Tinguindin, Dos de Enero, 1740


    • In the dispensa we learn that the novios are related on the Torres side. Piecing together the tree, with the help of other dispensas, the tree looks like this:

    Por parte del novio:

    • Tronco: Juan de Torres Guerrero cc Ana de Sarmiento Palomino
    • Primer Grado: Jose de Torres Guerrero y
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    Hola. ¿Alguien me podría ayudar a completar estos datos de los Torres de la Provincia de Ávalos?

    - María del Refugio Pía Torres Jasso (Zapotlán, 1850). cc. José Matías Antonio Sánchez de Aldana Jasso (Zapotlán, 1848).
    hija de:

    - José Rafael de los Santos Torres Silva (Jaripo, Michoacán, 1811). cc. Mariana de Jasso Munguía (en segundas nupcias).
    hijo de:

    - José Antonio de Torres cc. María Dolores de Silva.

    Hasta aquí llego, como verán es muy breve. Algunos de los hermanos de José Rafael nacieron en Jiquilpan, sin embargo no encuentro noticias de esta familia por ningún lado.

    Gracias por la ayuda.

    DD

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    Parece que podemos ser parientes por varias líneas. Un hijo de éstos José de Torres Sarmiento casó Ana Ochoa Garibay y Brambila Villaseñor en febrero de 1742 en la parroquia de San Francisco, Tamazula. Como pista hay muchos "Torres y Sarmiento" en Puebla de Zaragoza durante el siglo XVII, parece ser la cuna novohispana de esta familia. No me sorprendería si tu Pedro viajaría desde Puebla para la Provincia de Avalos. Aun en el siglo XIX podemos ver varias personas usando el apellido Torres Sarmiento en Jalisco. También me interesa tu línea Borja, pues desciendo de los Martínez de Borja en Morelia, Michoacán, cuál será el vínculo?

    Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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    Antes que nada muchas gracias por tus datos Daniel, y si al parecer estamos emparentados por esa linea queno no he podido encontrar a los padres de Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento pero seguiré tu consejo para buscar alguna pista en Puebla.

    El hijo de Pedro Tores y Sarmiento (que es mi linea familiar) es Juan Joseph De Torres y Sarmiento nacido al parecer en Zapotlan, caso en Tamazula en feb de 1742 con doña Ana Rita De Ochoa Brambila Villaseñor, sus padres fueron Cristobal de Ochoa y Antonia de Brambila y Villaseñor, al parecer es la misma persona por el nombre y el año de matrimonio.

    Enrique F. Garibay Castañeda

    Indexing Wills/Testamentos

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    Estimados Miembros,

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    Hi Sergio

    More testamentos!

    A few years ago i tried to see testamentos of Aguascalientes through the Acervo Digital del Archivo Historico and I alway got an error message when i tried to view the docs. But yesterday i tried the link again and the "ver documento" button works. I still have a problem using the search form, so I have to use the "back door", just browse through the list which I can access through the link.

    This is probably not news for anyone else, but for me it's a big break. It's a window on life in the 1600's and 1700's - dotas, selling of slaves (and freeing of slaves), selling and buying land and houses, besides testamentos.

    This is the link:
    http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/notarial.a…

    It will great if the guadalajara testamentos can be indexed too - i am still in for giving a hand with that.

    Regards
    Denise

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    good for you madera_32. but i'm still gonna pass on indexing wills since there's so many other records that still need indexing and guadalajara dispensas being #1 priority, and helping out with daniel's valladolid dispensas project, monte escobedo baptisms, silao info. mat. etc. being side/secondary projects i'm working on as well.

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    Hi Kathy,

    What years are you working on in Monte Escobedo baptisms? I can't find the baptism of my 9th generation ancestor Blas Madera who should be baptized aroune late 1600's or early 1700's. I am curious about him because in his marriage record he was listed as a "mestizo" when his parents are listed as "espanoles - born in Mexico." But when he passed away in 1776, he was listed as a "mulatto libre."

    That is odd. Which means one of his parents could not have been "espanol."

    I wanted to find his baptism record to confirm. It should be at Mesquitic or Monte Escobedo.

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    Hi Sergio

    I would give it a shot, as I am looking for the testament of Juan Sotelo anyways.
    Basically, the info would be:

    name of difunto and where they are from
    date of testamento
    film number
    image number

    anything else?

    For example:

    Blas Cordero, Zacatecas
    13 nov 1656
    film 007983535
    image 62/583

    the above came from this page:

    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-Y9RN-V?mode=g&cat=130…

    My Spanish is limited, but i recognize words like difunto and vecino and place names.
    If someone set up the blog page, I would attempt to make contributions as i go through the records.

    Regards
    Denise

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    i'd rather focus on indexing marriage dispensations, but i looked through first few films briefly, and it seems like most of them are from guadalajara in particular(so they probably won't have anything relevant for my tree since i have no known ancestors who lived in guadalajara for most of their life), some are long, and it's kinda hard to tell when each one starts and ends.
    just giving y'all a heads up

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    One of my distant relatives browsed and found a common ancestor for both of us that is from Mezqitic, Jalisco, Mexico. The testamento is year 1714, 50 pages long. Lots of stuff in it and our ancestor had a house in Ciudad Zacatecas on Santo Domingo street por la salida de la Ciudad Zacatecas for example.

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    One of my distant relatives browsed and found a common ancestor for both of us that is from Mezqitic, Jalisco, Mexico. The testamento is year 1714, 50 pages long. Lots of stuff in it and our ancestor had a house in Ciudad Zacatecas on Santo Domingo street por la salida de la Ciudad Zacatecas for example.

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    Well if someone ever browses through year 1709 or 1735 can you please note that for me?

    1709 for Antonio Madera of Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

    or his wife Maria De La Candelaria (Angon) that left a testamento in 1735 at Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico

    Questions on Nicolas Minjares de Solorzano

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    Nicolas is first married to Maria de la Sida (or Cida) y Roxas but is known in records as Maria de Roxas. In his second marriage with Manuela Delgado Ruiz she is referred to as Manuela Ruiz.

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    Descanse en paz Edward Gurrola. Mi más sentido pésame a su esposa Elaine, su hija Cecilia, y al resto de su familia.

    Rick A. Ricci

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    Just read your email re Edward Gurrola. Sorry to lose a distant cousin and dedicated genealogist. I used his book extensively in my research on my Durango roots.
    -Raquel

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    Hola Simona:

    Aunque no tengo a la familia Minjares en mi genealogía ya me había dado cuenta que fue una familia que estuvo presente en Querétaro entre 1590 y 1620 y después ya no apareció por lo que creo que se fueron a otro lugar y ese lugar pudo haber sido Durango, ya que en 1640 comienzan los registros en aquél lugar, en sitios mineros.

    Creo que el apellido Minjares puede ser andalusí y que puede provenir de "El Minjar" una localidad cercana a Granada.

    Es posible que no existan registros tempranos en la zona de Durango. Sería cuestión de investigar a la familia Solórzano.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

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    Hola Simona:

    Me asomé a Familysearch y al parecer María de la Cida y Roxas estuvo casa también con Joseph Cano:

    "México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHBC-W5B : 15 July 2015), Joseph Cano De Los Rios and Maria De La Sida, 14 Sep 1692; citing El Sagrario Metropolitano,Victoria De Durango,Durango,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 654,837.

    Y tuvo cuando menos dos hijas: María en 1701 y Gertrudis en 1696.
    No la encontré con el apellido Cida, Zida ni Sida ni Cid. En cuanto al apellido Roxas podría ser Ramírez, ya que hubo muchos Ramírez que le ponían a sus hijos el apellido Roxas.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

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    buscando encontré el matrimonio de Francisca de la Sida sus padres son

    Capitan Luis Peres de La Sida
    1615–Deceased • MC3Z-V58
    Maria de Rojas
    1623–Deceased • LYC6-PZZ

    Francisca de la Sida cc Francisco Quintero de Moya (Moia)
    Marriage: 08 DEC 1658
    San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durango

    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6FH9-FXJ

    Lo curioso es que ademas mencionan un tal Joseph de la Sida y Leguisamo creo que dice que el estuvo por la falta de su padre el Capitan Luis Peres de la Sida y Madre ya defuntos Pero no estoy segura de lo de mas que dice.

    Tambien mencionan los testigos Pedro Quintero de Moia, Alonso de Rojas, Diego Paes

    El tal Diego Paes puede ser

    Diego Paes De Gusman
    1636–Deceased • MC3V-TSZ
    Juana de la Sida
    1638–Deceased • KHYG-DSJ
    Marriage: 06 OCT 1656
    San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durang

    Estuve buscando su matrimonio pero no lo encuentro pero esta entre Bautisos, (Matrimonios, entierros y Matrimonos) No mas dice bautisos.

    Ahora tengo dos

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    Hola Simona:

    Creo que las personas utilizaban variantes de su apellido familiar cuando se casaban y a veces creaban un nuevo apellido compuesto.

    Entonces el apellido puede ser Pérez de la Sida.

    En cuanto al otro registro se refiere a un negro esclavo llamado Juan y traído del Congo.
    Pero no se si tenga relación con tu familia.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

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    The 6 Oct 1656 mg is on image 67; the 24 Aug 1676 is on image 164. Capt
    Luis Peres de la Sida and his wife, Maria Rojas, are my 9th and 10th ggpts.
    I have some more on these families, mainly courtesy of Edward Gurrola. I
    can share more if you email me directly, since Durango is not part of this
    website's focus. My Durango line leads me directly to the US.

    Raquel Ruiz
    Portland, OR

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    What a surprise to hear Edward's name mentioned on this website. His research is not connected to the areas of research that Nuestrosranchos members are usually interested in. I had done some research a few months back that caused me to cross paths with some of his research. The last time that I called to talk to him his daughter told me that he was resting. He is not in good health and I have him in my prayers. Please pray for him.

    One section of my book will have a chapter on the intersection of some of our research.

    Rick A. Ricci

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    thank you so much for the offer of more information on Perez de la Sida.

    I have sent you an email with my email addres. Thanks again.

    earlier coronado records

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    where can i find marriage records for a jose (aka joseph lorenzo )coronado and or maria margarita Segovia?

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    This couple
    Jose Lorenzo Coronado (9SZ9-L1K)and Maria Margarita Segovia b: about 1760 whose children starting in 1789 were born in Gaudalupe del Carnicero, Charcas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Their children are either mestizo or castizo. There are only 3 found could be more. The other couple Lorenso Coronado and Margarita Maria whose children (I only found Balvina 1765) might be a dif couple altogether.

    could you include the dates of birth for the other two you found severiana and Pedro.
    The coronados had their own Rancho named San Antonio de los Coronados whose records were mostly located in Charcas but there are some in Venado. The family married throughout San Luis and some even ventured out to jalisco, aguascalientes, and Pinos among other places.

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    maria severianna 1797 san francisco, charcas, mexico death is unknown at this time married jose tiburicio mendoza from what i can tell from records so far and also pedro who happens to be my 6th great grandfather who had married my 6th great grandma maria felipa guerrero. im interested in more about jose lorenzo coronado in a record who is correct parents for him as i havent found a birth record or anything for him nor his wife to continue on tree as im stuck at this time.

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    Birth of Daughter Balbina Theodora Coronado(1765–)
    April 1765 • Santa Maria DE LA Asuncion, Santa Maria Del Rio, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
    1765

    Birth of Son Jose Carls Coronado(1789–)
    November 1789 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico
    1789

    Birth of Daughter Maria Severiana Coronado(1797–)
    November 1797 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico
    1797

    Birth of Son Jose Francisco Coronado(1801–)
    1801 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico

    Birth of Son Ignacio Coronado(1849–)
    August 1849 • El Cedral, San Luis Potosí, México

    Can anyone help with the guadalajaradispensas website?

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    I need someone to help the owner with some technical aspects. The two elements involved are GoDaddy and Blogger. Please email me if you think you can help.

    Thanks,
    Rosalinda

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    Thanks, Daniel! Your help was invaluable.

    Sorry I didn't respond earlier to everyone; my job has been keeping me busy. Thank you for your patience; there were circumstances that made it challenging to get here. I would like to thank the owner, too, who had to spend time fixing what was a less than straightforward issue.

    In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of my own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since we've all enjoyed the benefits of the site.

    I'll look into this in December, once I have some free time to do so.

    Rosalinda

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

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    Me too

    ________________________________
    From: Announce on behalf of Alicia Carrillo
    Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:02 PM
    To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
    Cc: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
    Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] www.guadalajaradispensas.com is back online!

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

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    Yes. There are quite a few of us willing to help defray costs for this and Nuestros Ranchos. Marge Vallazza

    > On Nov 16, 2017, at 23:02, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
    >
    > Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    > need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.
    >
    > Alicia,
    > San Jose, Ca
    >
    >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:
    >>
    >> Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    >> busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    >> my
    >> own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    >> can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    >> we've
    >> all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    >> once I
    >> have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >>
    >>

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    Rosalinda,

    Yes, thank you for all your work and dedication.

    And, please, don't tell us how little to contribute; tell us how much. I am certain that many other 'Rancheros' will also be happy to contribute.

    Efrain

    -----Original Message-----
    >From: Alicia Carrillo
    >Sent: Nov 16, 2017 9:02 PM
    >To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
    >Cc: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
    >Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] www.guadalajaradispensas.com is back online!
    >
    >Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    >need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.
    >
    >Alicia,
    >San Jose, Ca
    >
    >On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    >> busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    >> my
    >> own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    >> can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    >> we've
    >> all enjoyed

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

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    Thank you Daniel, Rosalinda, and Claudia,

    . It is a very valuable resource that many of us have used to break through brick walls. Here are two examples:

    Almost from the beginning of my building my family tree I came up against statements from a couple of prominent genealogists that my paternal ancestral line was inaccurate. All the pieces of the puzzle, when brought together, led to the conclusion that my constructed tree was correct. Mariano Gonzalez Leal and Jaime Holcombe did not have these ancestors in their work. Jaime Holcombe specifically states that this one ancestor died at a very young age before having family. Jaime Holcombe was incorrect in this statement. All of the records that I collected and brought together made sense only with the tree that I constructed from the many many pieces. But this tree was constructed from dozens of primary documents, and if a single one of those documents was in error, then the whole tree fell apart. It was only through the

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    Dear Rosalinda,

    There is a problem with the email address that you provided. I am willing to take on the task of getting it back up, and keeping it up, so please send me your email address.

    Thanks,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Aparicio Alonso de los Ynojos abt 1725

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    In researching for my cousins line, I found them related to the following person

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    Theres a Aparicio Alonso de los Hinojos married to Antonia Delgadillo, but he was born about 1700. He's the son of Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos and Gertrudis de Chavez.

    Danny C. Alonso

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    They could be the same as my cousins grandparents are Marcos Benites abt 1700 married to Estefania Delgadillo in Aguascalientes unknown date. Their Child Clemente Benites marries Juana Gertrudis Herrera and their child Maria Gregoria Benites married to Juan Jose Castorena whose child marries en Nombre de Dios, Durango.

    There is probably a conx. just have to keep digging. Thanks for the help Danny.

    General Juan de Velasco y Barrios, comandante de flota de la Nueva España

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    Hola a todos:

    Les escribo para compartirles una rama de la familia Velasco distinta de la que tanto se ha mencionado de los Fernández de Velasco.

    Ésta rama inicia así:

    Primera Generación:

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    El Contador Rodrigo de Velasco Tesorero de la Audiencia de Nueva Galicia murio en 1590 y su esposa Ana Velasco y Mendoza murio en 1591. Puede ser que el Rodrigo Velasco que menciona Marcelina sea hijo de Rodrigo y nieto del Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrrio y Ana Velasco y Mendoza.

    Rodrigo de Velasco, hijo del Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrio regreso a Espana entonces no puede ser el mismo "Rodrigo Velasco" que fue a vivir a Michoacan.

    Rick A Ricci

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    Hola Marcelina:

    Yo tengo a Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Cárdenas como antepasados pero los datos de su filiación son correctos? Estamos seguros que Rodrigo de Velasco, vecino de Michoacán y padre de Antonio de Velasco y Cárdenas, es el mismo que fue Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia o un homónimo?

    Pregunto porque Rodrigo de Velasco, Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia, natural de Medina de Pomar, hijo de Juan de Velasco del Barrio y de Mencía de Rada casó con su deuda Ana de Velasco y de Mendoza, hermana del I Conde de la Revilla.

    En el sepulcro de sus padres aparece la siguiente leyenda: "Esta obra mandó hazer Juan de Velasco, Caballero de la orden militar del señor Santiago el cual murió año de 1578 siendo capitán general de la armada y flota de yndias por el Rey Nuestro Señor. La cual comenzó su hijo Rodrigo de Velasco caballero de la misma orden del señor Santiago que murió año 1590 siendo Gobernador del Campo de Montiel y Carabaza y Segura. Y la acabó doña Ana de Velasco y de Mendoza su

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    Estoy leyendo en "Andariegos y Pobladores..." que María de Cárdenas sobrevivió a este Rodrigo de Velasco, ella se casó en segundas nupcias con el Contador Francisco Rodríguez, vecino de Zamora. Con esto podemos descartar que Cárdenas pudiera ser primer matrimonio del Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia.

    Salvo que algún documento pruebe que Rodrigo, esposo de Cárdenas, sea el mismo Tesorero y Caballero de Santiago, Rodrigo de Velasco esposo de la hermana del Conde de Revilla, nuestro Rodrigo de Velasco podría ser pariente del sevillano Diego de Velasco, Teniente de Alcalde Mayor y vecino de Colima. Hijo de Llorente del Río y de Isabel de Velasco.

    Qué opinas?

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    Hola Richard:

    Si encontré los registro de los naufragios de cuatro naves, creo recordar que en 1566. Sin embargo el General Juan de Velasco y Barrios siguió como comandante de la flota hasta 1578.

    Se perdieron cuatro barcos en aquella ocasión.

    Hola León:

    Respecto de la filiación entre el General y el tesorero hay un registro en pares, Audiencia de Nueva Galicia:

    GUADALAJARA, 230,L.1,F311r-312V que dice: Real Cédula a Rodrigo de Velasco, Tesorero de Nueva Galicia hijo del general Juan Velasco del Barrio prorrogando la licencia que se le concedió para venir a España por Cédula dada en Madrid el 23 de febrero de de 1573.

    Si tu cuentas con alguna información sobre la diversa filiación sería necesario ponderarlas para saber cuál es la más precisa.

    Respecto de la filiación entre Rodrigo y Antonio de Velasco voy a revisar las fuentes del libro, pues se basa en los documentos del Archivo de Colima.

    ¿Tienes ancestros del solar de Tejada? Yo los tengo del solar de Valdeosera a través del

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    Hola otra vez:

    El autor de Andariegos y Pobladores... señala que Don Antonio fuye hijo de Rodrigo de Velasco y señala un expediente, pero no transcribió la descripción del contenido, por lo tanto no se sabe si se refiere a dicha filiación o al segundo casamiento de Doña María de Cárdenas.

    Doña María le dio carta poder a su hijo Antonio de Velasco para realizar reclamaciones sobre 50 reses.

    El mismo autor cita que en el Archivo Histórico del municipio de Colima se encuentra el testamento de Antonio de Velasco AHMC/Caja 24/Exp.8, posiblemente haya visto el testamento y podamos precisar dicha filiación.

    Otro elemento interesante es que Antonio de Velasco fue también alcalde ordinario y regidor en la villa de Colima.

    Marcelina

    Marcelina

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    Hola otra vez:

    El autor de Andariegos y Pobladores... señala que Don Antonio fue hijo de Rodrigo de Velasco y señala un número de expediente, pero no transcribió la descripción del contenido, por lo tanto no se sabe si se refiere a dicha filiación o al segundo casamiento de Doña María de Cárdenas.

    Doña María le dio carta poder a su hijo Antonio de Velasco para realizar reclamaciones sobre 50 reses.

    El mismo autor cita que en el Archivo Histórico del municipio de Colima se encuentra el testamento de Antonio de Velasco AHMC/Caja 24/Exp.8, posiblemente alguien haya visto el testamento y podamos precisar dicha filiación.

    Otro elemento interesante es que Antonio de Velasco fue también alcalde ordinario y regidor en la villa de Colima.

    Marcelina

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    Hola Marcelina:

    Mil gracias por la información y los datos; creo que Rodrigo de Velasco esposo de María de Cárdenas y Rodrigo de Velasco hijo de Juan de Velasco de Barrios son personas diferentes. Me baso en lo siguiente: 1) Rodrigo de Velasco, esposo de María de Cárdenas falleció en las Indias mientras que el Tesorero Rodrigo de Velasco falleció en España siendo sepultado con sus padres y esposa en la Iglesia de Barrio de Díaz Ruiz en Burgos. 2) María de Cárdenas casó en segundas nupcias con el Contador Rodríguez por lo que descartamos que Cárdenas pudiera ser primera esposa del hijo de Juan de Velasco de Barrios. Creo que es un caso de homonimia.

    Me interesa mucho esta rama por tener a Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Cárdenas como antepasados. Este Rodrigo de Velasco sin embargo aún podría ser pariente del Virrey, habrá que seguir tirando del hilo hasta saber cómo.

    Sobre Tejada sí, soy Caballero Divisero desde el año 2012 por el linaje García-Sancho establecido en Guadalajara de

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    Hola León:

    Sobre los Velasco, que recién estoy investigando por Isabel de Velasco madre de Nicolás de Murguía, antepasados míos. Hace poco estuve investigando otro apellido: Santa Anna que procede de Medina del Pomar, estuve viendo varios videos históricos sobre esa población y así me di cuenta de que había muchos Velasco en esa zona. Pero realmente esa familia no la conozco con detalle. De todas maneras propuse mi hipótesis para reavivar un poco el interés general en temas de un interés más extenso.

    Es completamente posible que hubiero dos o más Rodrigos de Velasco y poco podrá saberse hasta que se pueda ver el testamento de Antonio de Velasco. Incluso la Real Cédula puede no tener suficiente precisión como sería un testamento o alguna escritura más precisa.

    Sobre mis antepasados, provienen presuntamente del poblado de Cabezón de Cameros que todavía existe, tengo únicamente la siguiente información:

    Pedro Sáenz de Cabezón de Soria, originario de Curiel pasó a la ciudad de Los

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    Hola Marcelina:

    Muchas gracias, me ha parecido genial tu idea de reavivar el tema. Hay varias ramas de los Velasco que aún quedan en el aire: Alonso de Velasco y Zúñiga esposo de Ana de Flores de la Torre y otros. No sería raro que fueran parientes del Virrey, quizás me repito pero sabemos que era común que parientes de Obispos, Virreyes, Oidores y otros personajes pasaran a las Indias como sus criados, otros, ya en Indias, aunque teniendo un parentesco más o menos lejano, reclamaban la relación usando el apellido que quizás era de un abuelo (Creo que este es el caso de las Hernández de Arellano-Hurtado de Mendoza a quienes les convenía más usar Mendoza pues estando el Virrey Don Antonio de Mendoza, era el linaje de "moda"). Volviendo al tema, sí, encontrar el testamento de Antonio de Velasco sería estupendo y podría brindar nuevas luces sobre la conexión que propones con los de Tamazula.

    Sobre los Sáenz de Cabezón valdría la pena indagar más, si llegases a necesitar guía sobre el

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    Hola León:

    El personaje clave de la emigración burgalesa en el Siglo XVI pudo haber sido Don Sancho Ortiz de Matienzo, originario de Medina del Pomar y Tesorero de la Casa de Contratación de Sevilla. Tenía una casa que aun se conserva en Medina del Pomar al igual que el Alcázar de los Velasco.

    Hicieron un libro sobre su vida en el que al parecer se narran las relaciones que había entre varias familias de Las Merindades. En Querétaro hubo importante inmigración burgalesa que trajo la industria de la lana, que llegó a ser las más importante de la nueva España mediante la cría de ovejas y la elaboración de ropa basta en obrajes que se distribuía en todo el virreinato y se mantuvo hasta principios del siglo XIX.

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    Gracias Marcelina por la informacíon de la descendencia de Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrios.

    The name Juan Velasco de Barrios reminds me of treasure hunters.

    Many of the merchant ships in the Flota de Nueva Espafia of Captain-General Juan Velasco de Barrios carried Silver and Gold. Captain-General Juan Velasco de Barrios was headed back to Spain with Silver and Gold when he found out that the English were planning on attacking his ships to take his Precious metals.

    Capitan- General Juan Velasco de Barrios decided to evade the English by taking another route to Spain, but this new route took too long and he then had to travel during hurricane season in dangerous waters. He tried to outrun the storms unsuccessfully as he lost many ships, and their precious cargo. Over many years, treasure hunters have been looking for these lost ships.

    Thanks again,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Can some experienced genealogist decipher/read this word?

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    Hello forum,

    I am trying to find out what the following word is.

    It is in a christening record. The record is at the top of the right hand side page here:

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    Many thanks for your kind reply Manny. I agree with you. But I am not sure because the editor wrote the word "benefi[cia]do in the record just below Juana's record and "do" looks very different.

    Sometimes the word "Licenciado" was abbreviated "Lzdo", but editor's "z" also looks quite different. That is what I am thinking maybe the word could be another one.

    Un cordial saludo Manny,

    Rubén

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    Is it digo? The word that is commonly used to refer to a person previously recited in the record, as in "said Lazaro Hernandez" in English.

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    Hi Ruben,

    After taking another look, you’re right. It names Lazaro Hernandez twice, and it gives no title on the first entry. I’m going to say, “hijos del dho Lazº Hz.”

    “Dicho” would be appropriate and typical, and looks like Alex also thinks the same,

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

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    I'm a bit unsure myself. To be fair the first letter in the unknown word looks like the scribes "L" rather than a "d". HA!

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    It seems the editor pretended to write "dho" and he had a Lapsus Linguae at the time he was writing.

    Thank you Manny and Alex!

    Rubén

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    Many thanks Alejandro for taking part in this topic.

    Taking a closer look to the 3rd. record on the left hand side page (Pedro) the same editor wrote:

    en dicho dia mes y año susodicho yo el dicho cura beneficiado ...

    ("cho" looks very similar to the last part of the unknown word)

    ... yjo de miguel y dey savel ... = ... yjo de miguel y de ysabel ...

    (The words are not properly separated)

    I think the "L" at the starting of the unknown word is part of the previous word "de" ("de L" = "del"). So the editor tried to write "... hijos del [di]cho Laz[ar]o ..." but he failed to write the "di" part.

    Rubén

    Aguascalientes website down?

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    Does http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx work for anyone?

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