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Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph, 

How about asking if there are official Bracero Program statistics 
from the early 1900s?  I'm sure there must be something because every 
worker was issued an ID card. 
http://www.farmworkers.org/bracero/braceric.GIF

Also, I recommend anyone interested in the subject from a general 
perspective to take a look at the following publication at the 
University of Texas (in Spanish):

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/binpapers/v2b-6bustamante.pdf

Here's a quote:

Areas de origen en México

Tres entidades han sido clasificadas consistentemente en los primeros 
lugares como proveedoras de migrantes: Jalisco, Michoacán y 
Guanajuato. A ellas se agregaron Chihuahua, Durango y Zacatecas.
Gamio señalaba en 1930 que el 54.3% de los migrantes mexicanos 
provenía de esos tres estados del centro-occidente de México 
(Michoacán, Guanajuato y Jalisco), siguiéndolos en importancia Nuevo 
León, Durango y el D.F. (Gamio, 1930) (ver Cuadro 1).

It also includes the destination places for most of the Mexican 
migrants.  Interesting.

Victor Villarreal
Reynosa, Mexico


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> okay some have problems with finding out the "Where" in Mexico they 
came 
> from. I want to eventually get interviews with people in INS and 
Social 
> Security and other gov't offices to see what information is freely 
open 
> to the public that might give clues on where in Mexico people came 
from.
> 
> Can you all email me directly with your thoughts on what questions 
can 
> be asked of people high up in these organizations. I'd like to go 
> prepared and can only think of these questions:
> 
> 1) With regards to the freedom of information act what info is 
available 
> to the general public in (their organization).
> 
> 2) On the records that are available what kind of information is 
usually 
> collected?
> 
> 3) What time periods did these records cover?
> 
> 4) What preliminary work can the information seeker perform to 
> facilitate the look up of records?
> 
> 5) Are there specific forms that need to be used for information 
request?
> 
> 6) Are there costs involved with requesting records? And if so what 
are 
> they?
> 

okay some have problems with finding out the "Where" in Mexico they came
from. I want to eventually get interviews with people in INS and Social
Security and other gov't offices to see what information is freely open
to the public that might give clues on where in Mexico people came from.

Can you all email me directly with your thoughts on what questions can
be asked of people high up in these organizations. I'd like to go
prepared and can only think of these questions:

1) With regards to the freedom of information act what info is available
to the general public in (their organization).

2) On the records that are available what kind of information is usually
collected?

3) What time periods did these records cover?

4) What preliminary work can the information seeker perform to
facilitate the look up of records?

5) Are there specific forms that need to be used for information request?

6) Are there costs involved with requesting records? And if so what are
they?

7) Is the informatin regarding your organization kept at one central
location or might one need to contact various geographical locations of
your organization to find their specific record needs?

8) Can you supply the address of locations on the internet where
    a) the address of each specific information center
     b) where information requesting forms can be downloaded
      c)  general contact information can be found

Help me with this please. I know I'm forgetting some important questions
that I might only have a one time opportunity to ask. What would you
like to know about some relative from some gov't organization that I
have not listed above?

thanks,

joseph

Hello Emilie,

Have you read the description of Salitrillo in the "Diccionario
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos."

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Salitrillo. 5 ranchos del Estado de Zacatecas: Uno del partido de
Fresnillo, municipalidad de Valparaíso. - Dos del partido de Jerez,
municipalidad de Tepetongo. - Otro del partido de Nochixtlán,
municipalidad de Toyahua. - Otro del partido de Villanueva,
municipalidad de Jalpa.

The coordinates that you found are completely in a different area of
Zacatecas, right in the border of Coahuila.

Victor.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Hello, all,
> 
> I have recently discovered more generations on my father's side. 
They include the surnames Tinajero, Olague, Valdez, Feliz, Flores,
Suriano, Salasar, Munos, Lucio, Vasquez, Garcia, Quijas, Banegas,
Escobedo and possibly Mata.  Most of these were baptized or married in
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, but they lived in a community called El
Salitrillo in the early 1700's to the late 1800's.  Does anyone else
have any connection to these families from this location?  Both the
men and the women used various surnames, but my research has proved
that they are one and the same. For example, my great-grandmother
Rafaela used the surnames Tinajero, Flores, Felix, or Suriano.  Her
father Hilario (Ylario) used the surnames Tinajero or Felix.  Her
mother Teodocia Flores also would sometimes use the surnames Felix or
Suriano. This made finding their children a challenge, to put it
mildly.  I finally found my grandfather as Francisco Olague Felix,
when I expected to find him as Francisco Olague Tinajero.  Many of the
other branches did the same thing, and the same surnames run in my
father's paternal and maternal sides.  It seems no one ever moved and
everyone would marry into the same clans over and over again.  Kind of
reminds me of the stories you hear of clans in the Appalachians.  
> 
> I have not been able to find El Salitrillo on any map, but I did
find a list of several places with the same name in the states of
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas.  The list gives
the Latitude and Longitude for each.  The El Salitrillo in Zacatecas
is at Latitude 24.5333333 and Longitude -101.1166667.  Does anyone
know of a map showing this El Salitrillo?
> 

My apologies, it won't happen again..
Linda in Washington

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Deena Ortiz" <drortiz@v...> wrote:
>
> Just a reminder that when you send a message to the list that has 
nothing to 
> do with the purpose of the list, it's nice to precede the subject 
line with 
> OT (off topic).
> 
> Secondly, I usually check everything I receive before I forward it 
to see 
> whether is may be a hoax.  Most of them usually are.  The 
information about 
> cell phone telemarketers is somewhat mixed: 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> ~Deena Ortiz~
>

just wanting to keep people in the loop for possible cooperation with
the Colotlan Yahoo Group. Boy does my Spanish leave a lot to be desired:

Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote:

Hola a Todos! Hola Joseph!
Respecto a tu pregunta…

La Radio Universidad de Colotlán retransmite (vía Internet) desde hace dos
años la programación de Radio Universidad de Guadalajara, es decir no
contaba con un equipo de trabajo que pudiera producir y transmitir programas
locales. Actualmente estamos (estudiantes del Cunorte y yo) produciendo el
primer programa local… es un programa cultural que arrancó ayer, 6 de
octubre, con un programa dedicado a la Peregrinación de la Virgen del
Rosario a Santiago. Todavía no contamos con un servidor que nos permita
retransmitir desde colotlán vía Internet (para que nos puedas escuchar en
Carolina) sin embargo es una prioridades en esta etapa de arranque. Con
decirte que la estación esta incomunicada y todavía no cuenta con teléfono
pero estas cosas las iremos arreglando y mientras seguimos celebrando que
iniciamos programación de Colotlán!!!!!

gracias por hacer este proyecto. . .muchisimas. quiero mucho oir
programas de la historia de Jalisco or Zacatecas o de todo de Mexico.
Estoy haciendo un "Podcast" pero todo las programas en mi Podcast estan
en Ingles. Quiero ponerle programas en Espanol tambien. se puede ser
entrevistas de autores o nomas algunos presentando la historia de un
estado o un ciudad o pueblo o un Rancho. Aqui te mando la direction de
mi Podcast:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com

es necesario oirlo en conneccion muy rapida porque la audiofrecuencia es
muy largo

Just a reminder that when you send a message to the list that has nothing to
do with the purpose of the list, it's nice to precede the subject line with
OT (off topic).

Secondly, I usually check everything I receive before I forward it to see
whether is may be a hoax. Most of them usually are. The information about
cell phone telemarketers is somewhat mixed:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

~Deena Ortiz~

Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi
español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de
Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían interesados a
Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador? Horita no
tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.

joseph

I'm passing this along, in the event you were unaware, as I was!


Subject: Cell Phone Telemarketers


FYI....

JUST A REMINDER... 31 days from today, cell phone numbers are being 
released to telemarketing companies and you will start to receive 
sales calls. YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS...

To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone:
888-382-1222. It is the national DO NOT CALL list. It will only
take a minute of your time. It blocks your number for five (5) years.


OR you may go online to register your home and/or cell phone at: 
www.donotcall.gov .

Joseph,

Me puedes mandar los detailes, de lo que quieres.  

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi 
> español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de 
> Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían
interesados a 
> Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador?
Horita no 
> tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.
> 
> joseph

Llego a un punto donde estaré entrevistando a personas en español. Mi
español definitivamente es sobrevivencia español y NO es la calidad de
Entrevista español. ¿Hay cualquiera en el grupo que serían interesados a
Entrevistar a Autores en un tema del interés al Entrevistador? Horita no
tengo alguien a entrevistar pero el dia viene pronto.

joseph

Here are some podcast sites, that are about genealogy:

Dear Myrtle Family History Hour (posted every Tuesday):
http://dearmyrtle.com/

The Genealogy Guys Podcast (posted every Sunday):
http://www.genealogyguys.com/

Nuestra Familia Unida:
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/

For those of you, that are new to podcasting. A podcast is a audio
program, that is put on the internet, for people to download and
listen to, at their own leisure.

Also, for those of you, who are using a dialup internet connection.
Remember when you click on the podcst button, to listen to the
podcast. Remember, that podcast has to download. Usually, the
podcast are aleast 10 megabytes in size. So it will take time to
download.

I have listened to all the podcasts, that are on each of the above
site, and I have really enjoyed all of them, and I have learned
something new, from each podcast.

Jonathan

here is the new location and website for the Nuestra Familia Unida
podcast project:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
[it's a work in progress]

consider joining this group to be notified of new content:
NuestraFamiliaUnida-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

As an aside, I would like to say that the NARA Symposium was great, 
particularly the sessions with George Ryskamp.  I also enjoyed meeting 
you Joseph and Natalie.

There was not much of a turnout but I hope they continue to do these 
symposia...  Next year we have to help them publicize the event a bit 
more.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> I've got a new podcast online from the Hispanic Family History 
Symposium 
> this past weekend at NARA in DC. It is not actually part of the 
> Symposium but a personal interview I conducted immediately after the 
> Symposium.
> 
> the location is: http://NuestrosRanchos.libsyn.com
> 
> I hope to have 5 more presentations from that Symposium online in the 
> next week or two.
> 
> joseph