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I have an aunt on my father's side who married an
Alvarez del Castillo and an uncle on my mother's side
that married an Alvarez del Castillo but have not
researched that name (they are all now deceased) and
do not really have any information to go on. One of my
cousins, an Alvarez del Castillo was researching the
name. Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire

--- lili pinzon <caleta58@...> wrote:

> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> > 
> > Who is studying this surname in the group?
> > 
> > joseph
> 
>     JOSEPH.
> 
>    ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS
> ADDRESS IS
> 
>     jpag0573@... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.
> 
>                           so long
> 
>                         LETICIA LEON MORALES 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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Attachment:
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Description: 4279123587-Lopez.pdf

Victor

I called the following Notario, but.... Mariano
GOnzalez Leal was gone for a brief moment. Instructed
by his secretary to call back in an hour I have a good
feeling it will work out.
? Notario Nº 1
   Mariano González Leal
   Independencia  Nº 212
   Zona Centro, C. P. 37000
   Tel. (477) 714 10 59
   Fax (477) 716 00 34

Thank you kindly for the quick response. 

Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

--- "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...>
wrote:

> José,
> 
> Maybe you can try the following leads:
> 
>
http://www.leongto.com.mx/secciones/historia/historia_referenciabibliografica.htm
>
http://www.leon.gob.mx/portal/modules/icontent/index.php?page=86
> 
> Look for the name of Mariano Gonzalez Leal.
> 
> Victor Villarreal
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "jmunoz2781"
> <jmunoz2781@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?
> > 
> > Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
> >            {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
> > Author:  MARIANAO GONZALEZ LEAL & JAIME HOLCOMBE
> > 
> > Spoke with Borderland Books representative today:
> Not in print...
> > Any leads welcome.
> > 
> > Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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José,

Maybe you can try the following leads:

http://www.leongto.com.mx/secciones/historia/historia_referenciabibliografica.htm
http://www.leon.gob.mx/portal/modules/icontent/index.php?page=86

Look for the name of Mariano Gonzalez Leal.

Victor Villarreal


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "jmunoz2781" <jmunoz2781@y...> wrote:
> 
> Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?
> 
> Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
>            {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
> Author:  MARIANAO GONZALEZ LEAL & JAIME HOLCOMBE
> 
> Spoke with Borderland Books representative today: Not in print...
> Any leads welcome.
> 
> Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?

Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
           {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
Author:  MARIANAO GONZALEZ LEAL & JAIME HOLCOMBE

Spoke with Borderland Books representative today: Not in print...
Any leads welcome.

Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

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I'M SORRY, IT SEEMS HE IS NOT A MEMBER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HOW I 
DIC CONTACT HIM, BUT STILL HE IS FROM LOS ALTOS DE JALISCO AND IS 
SEARCHING ON ALVAREZ AND ALVARES DEL CASTILLO.

                                     LETICIA LEON





- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lili pinzon" <caleta58@y...> wrote:
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> > 
> > Who is studying this surname in the group?
> > 
> > joseph
> 
>     JOSEPH.
> 
>    ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS ADDRESS IS
> 
>     jpag0573@y... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.
> 
>                           so long
> 
>                         LETICIA LEON MORALES

Emilie Garcia wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> Who is studying this surname in the group?
> 
> joseph

    JOSEPH.

   ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS ADDRESS IS

    jpag0573@... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.

                          so long

                        LETICIA LEON MORALES 

I find this really interesting since my direct ancestor Francisco 
Mendez was also from Zamora Michoacan, He says in the marriage 
record (1795 in Tamazula) that he's been gone from Zamora for 6 
years, he married a Sanches de la Mejorada that say they are from 
Tuxpan.  His second wife, my ancestor was a De la Cueva!
thank you for taking the time to post. Looks like I'm going to have 
to order films from Zamora now... the searching never ends..
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Even though I am not an Alvarez del Castillo, it is a surname that 
> marries into my family and is present in Arandas and Ayo el 
Chico.  I 
> and a few others have traced the surname to Zamora, Michoacan.  
That 
> was their original "nest." The Gutierrez de Robles, Morfin, and 
Cueva 
> surnames were also from there.  My cousin Tony Campos was also 
from 
> there.  He has been researching the Zamora, Jacona, Tlazazalca, 
and 
> Tangancicuaro, Michoacan, area for the past 35 years.
> 
> Regards,
> Steven Hernandez
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@y...>
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:33:07 -0000
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alvarez del Castillo
> 
>   Hello Joseph, I'm not studying it but have found 4 female 
Alvarez del
> Castillo in Tamazula Jalisco.  They are from app. the 1730's to 
1760
> time period and 2 marry into the Gutierres de Robles, 1 into the
> Morfin and 1 into the  de la Cueva families.  I have decendants but
> not thier parents.
> Linda in Wa.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> >
> > Who is studying this surname in the group?
> >
> > joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links

Even though I am not an Alvarez del Castillo, it is a surname that
marries into my family and is present in Arandas and Ayo el Chico. I
and a few others have traced the surname to Zamora, Michoacan. That
was their original "nest." The Gutierrez de Robles, Morfin, and Cueva
surnames were also from there. My cousin Tony Campos was also from
there. He has been researching the Zamora, Jacona, Tlazazalca, and
Tangancicuaro, Michoacan, area for the past 35 years.

Regards,
Steven Hernandez

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:33:07 -0000
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alvarez del Castillo

 Hello Joseph, I'm not studying it but have found 4 female Alvarez del
Castillo in Tamazula Jalisco.  They are from app. the 1730's to 1760
time period and 2 marry into the Gutierres de Robles, 1 into the
Morfin and 1 into the  de la Cueva families.  I have decendants but
not thier parents.
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:

Who is studying this surname in the group?

joseph

Yahoo! Groups Links

I AM!!!
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: makas@...
Sent: Sep 5, 2005 7:13 PM
To: LosRanchos <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ranchos] Alvarez del Castillo


Who is studying this surname in the group?

joseph





 
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Hello Joseph, I'm not studying it but have found 4 female Alvarez del 
Castillo in Tamazula Jalisco.  They are from app. the 1730's to 1760 
time period and 2 marry into the Gutierres de Robles, 1 into the 
Morfin and 1 into the  de la Cueva families.  I have decendants but 
not thier parents.
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> Who is studying this surname in the group?
> 
> joseph

Thank you for your reply, my real curiosity was about the Sanches de 
la Mejorada line that was the first wife of my Ancestor Jose 
Francisco Mendez who married her in 1795 in Zapotlan El Grand/Ciudad 
Gusman.  In that town all the people I asked about including Espanol 
Gonzales and Leal's are living and marrying into the same lines as 
my direct ancestor did. They say they are from Leon and also many 
people coming directly from Spain in this time period.. I didn't 
mean to do their genealogy but you know how it is.. we start with 
one family and end up doing the city or rancho! These same people 
also live in Tuxpan, Atoyac, and Tamazula de Gordiano, they seem to 
come around Lake Chapala.  I got to go there a couple of years ago 
and the area is still in sugar cane and making tequila is a 
maintstay. If you'd like any of the records let me know, always glad 
to share my findings..
Linda in Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Sorry that this reply is so so late, but I hardly check my aol 
mail box 
> anymore.  I was rather interested to see that you discovered 
records 
>  from Zapotlan el Grande that connected your Loza y Linares 
lineage to 
> the Villa de Leon.  Well that is without a doubt Leon, 
Guanajuato.  The 
> Loza y Linares family and Lopez de Lara are both definitely from 
there. 
> DEFINITELY.
> 
> My close friend, cousin, genealogist, and writer, don Mariano 
Gonzalez 
> Leal, has researched the Loza y Linares lineages since they 
migrated to 
> Mexico from Spain.  He himself is a Loza y Linares and currently 
lives 
> in Leon, Guanajuato.  He has access to all kinds of records from 
Leon's 
> historical archives, both public and private. Some of the Loza y 
> Linares and Lopez de Lara's descendants eventually moved to 
> Jalostotitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Ayo el Chico, Arandas, San Miguel 
el 
> Alto, and San Juan de los Lagos.
> 
> It seems that they also migrated to Zapotlan el Grande.  Where is 
that 
> anyway?
> 
> Regards,
> Steven Hernandez
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@y...>
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:01:29 -0000
> Subject: [ranchos] Villa de Leon Mexico
> 
>   I'm doing records from Zapotlan El Grande Jalisco and am finding
> families from Villa de Leon Mexico.. any idea where that is?  I

Who is studying this surname in the group?

joseph

Sorry that this reply is so so late, but I hardly check my aol mail box
anymore. I was rather interested to see that you discovered records
from Zapotlan el Grande that connected your Loza y Linares lineage to
the Villa de Leon. Well that is without a doubt Leon, Guanajuato. The
Loza y Linares family and Lopez de Lara are both definitely from there.
DEFINITELY.

My close friend, cousin, genealogist, and writer, don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal, has researched the Loza y Linares lineages since they migrated to
Mexico from Spain. He himself is a Loza y Linares and currently lives
in Leon, Guanajuato. He has access to all kinds of records from Leon's
historical archives, both public and private. Some of the Loza y
Linares and Lopez de Lara's descendants eventually moved to
Jalostotitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Ayo el Chico, Arandas, San Miguel el
Alto, and San Juan de los Lagos.

It seems that they also migrated to Zapotlan el Grande. Where is that
anyway?

Regards,
Steven Hernandez

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:01:29 -0000
Subject: [ranchos] Villa de Leon Mexico

 I'm doing records from Zapotlan El Grande Jalisco and am finding
families from Villa de Leon Mexico.. any idea where that is?  I
checked the wonderful location dictionary but found nothing. The time
period is early to mid 1700's.  The families are Losa y Linares,
Sanches de la Mejorada and Lopes de Lara and Alcaraz.

any help appreciated
Linda in Wa.






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Just a word on DNA tests for females...of course they can be done.
Females have DNA just like males. But remember from your chapter on
Genetics in your Biology class, females have XX chromosomes and males
have XY chromosomes. Male haploid reproductive cells (sperm cells) are
either X or Y chromosome cells. Female haploid (or ova) are ALL
X-chromosome cells. When an X sperm cell fertilizes a X ovum, a baby
girl is conceived. When a Y sperm cell fertilizes an X ovum, a baby
boy is conceived. That is why males determine the sex of the newborn
child.

As Joseph, and anyone else who has investigated their genetic
genealogy, can attest to, paternal origin can only be checked via the
Y-DNA only. Consequently, only males can have their Y-DNA traced,
because only males have the Y-chromosome (which is where the Y-DNA is
located). Unfortunately, females are XX and have no Y-DNA, so females
have to ask a close male relative (father, brother, or paternal-cousin)
if they want their Y-DNA checked along their direct male line.

But there is good news. Both males and females have X-DNA, so the
mitochondrial DNA can be analyzed through both males and females.
Mitochondrial DNA (or M-DNA) rarely mutates and is passed from mother
to daughter, and directly along the female line. Males have M-DNA but
do not transmit the M-DNA to their sons or daughters. So if two
individuals, either male or female, have the same M-DNA, then they both
descend from the same ancestress.

I am no genetic scientist, so I only have a general understanding. I
hope that this little bit of information helps anyone else out there
with questions.

Hi Joseph,

I'm so happy for you. This is truly a wonderful break. You indeed
have the right forensic attitude for genealogy. Establish what you
know and what you don't know, and formulate parameters for your future
research. I wish you the best of luck.

My mother is a Lopez, whose ancestry was from San Miguel el Alto and
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It is very very unlikely that our two
Lopezes were related, as the surname is sooooo common, but wouldn't it
be cool if they were?

Tell us all when you make some more progress.

Steven H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
To: LosRanchos <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:58 -0500
Subject: [ranchos] Huejucar!!!

I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy
Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was
brother to my Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that
his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he says that my
grandmother is from. That being said I'm off to the races again
inserarch of this line of elusive relatives on my maternal
Grandmother's side. . .her name is Antonia Lopez.

I just ordered two films from Huejucar. . .are there any Lopez in the
group from Huejucar by chance?

joseph

ps: previous to this discovery I had doubts as to the true name of my
maternal Grandmother as she went by several aliases. But I've heard it
from 3 separate independant sources and thats good enough for me. If I
can find a Lopez family in Huejucar that had two children named Nicolas
and Antoniia I think I'll be on the right trail. I can't believe I
found this info.

Joseph,

Among the people I know, it is common to hear about "Abuelos",
"Bisabuelos" and "Tatarabuelos".  Beyond that, I've never heard those
greek prefixes like tetra, penta, hexa, etc. attached to the word
"abuelo" but rather the ordinal numbers cuarto, quinto, sexto, etc. or
its numerical equivalent 4to., 5to., 6to., etc.

However, there's some confusion on the numbering system depending on
if you're counting the "abuelos" or the "bisabuelos".  For example, my
genealogy software (In English) uses the following nomenclature, which
I have paired with its Spanish equivalent:

Grandparent = Abuelo
Great Grandparent = Bisabuelo or 2do. Abuelo
2nd. Great Grandparent = Tatarabuelo or 3er. Abuelo or 2do. Bisabuelo
3rd. Great Grandparent = 4to. Abuelo or 3er. Bisabuelo
And so on.

The convention in Spanish is to count the "abuelos", but if you're
doing a translation of, let's say, 3rd. Great Grandparent you have to
be careful and translate it either as 3er. Bisabuelo or 4to. Abuelo.

 I hope this isn't even more confusing!

Victor

p.s. Remember than in Spanish ordinal numbers have gender so you would
say octavo abuelo and octava abuela. "o" ending for male; "a" ending
for female.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
> > OK, then, Joseph,
> >  
> > How do you write and pronounce all those subsequent generations:   
> > primera, secunda, tercera,  (I don't know how to say the rest). 
Also, 
> > why is pentabuelo listed as antepasado de 6th generation when "pent" 
> > means "five" to me.  It looks like the pentabuelo should go with
"5th". 
> 
> well if you look at it in the Spanish the father is the first 
> generation, the grandfather is the 1st grandfather but the 2nd 
> generation, the g-Grandfather is the 2nd grandfather (Bis) but the 3rd 
> generation, the GG grandfather is the 3rd grandfather (Tatara) but the 
> 4th generation, etc.
> 
> I would like more feedback from the group is these designations are 
> being currently used in Mexico? I mean I talked with Luz Montejano and 
> she seemed to indicate that this was the old style and not in current 
> use. Then again maybe I didn't quite understand correctly.
> 
> joseph
> 
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA --
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----

Does anyone know if the Huejucar films in the later years (say in the
1880's) are indexed? I know that in the neighboring area of Santa Maria
de los Angeles that after the 1830's (approx.) or so that the priests
started indexing their records.

thanks,

joseph