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Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester

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Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester

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thanks,

joseph

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
wrote:

> The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
> different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
> all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
> records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
> go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
> did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I
> found all the names I have been researching clear
> back to the 1750's.  One could almost feel the
> ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El
> Durazno.  They absolutely refused to take me to
> Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough
> was enough...
>  
>  I did notice in Jerez that coffins are sold in
> shops that display them in the window, that was
> kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies
> they have to be buried within 24 hours since they
> don't embalm.  In El Durazno they have the "viewing"
> in the home then go to the church for the service
> and then carry the coffin on their
> shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if they can
> afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery
> in a procession.  I found lots of huge marble
> monuments but all cemeteries were badly neglected
> because they don't like to go their unless it's to
> bury someone.. they do not go to visit and pay
> respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid for the land
> for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member
>  dies they are "prepaid" for burial.
>  
> The burial practices were different in the old days
> too.  They would put up to 5 people in each grave,
> removing the bones to the foot of the grave and then
> putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I
> was standing over a neglected Alcala grave and
> noticed something round so I bent over to pick it
> up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my
> surprise.. After getting over the shock I moved some
> dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the
> ancestors and me!
> I would highly recommend visiting an ancestral

Thank you.

Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> >Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Hey, Jose, we could be related!
> >  
> >
> 


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Alberto Duarte wrote:

Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.

Thank you.

Hey, Jose, we could be related!

I guess you're right, we did eat well at the expense of hotel rooms & baths!
We only ate out in Mexico because it was cheaper to feed a family of eight
with big appetites. :)  Occasional burgers in the U.S. happened more rarely.

During our trips, we would pile into a hotel room the night before arriving
to our first destination: Ags (my dad's family immigrated there from Jal.in
the 1950's) for showers.  The other 2 nights were spent in the car.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte [mailto:albertodua@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:32 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the number of times on my left
hand that my dad took us to a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a 
> Mexican-Amer co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I 
> responded with how does she make them?  He answered that she folded 
> them instead of tying the ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled 
> because we fold them, and I kept wondering why they tied the ends in 
> all of the Mexican restaurants in San Diego.  This is when I 
> discovered that this was how they made them in Baja California where 
> my first co-worker's mom was from, and many of the restaurant cooks in 
> the area.  By the way, I vote San Diego for the best Mexican 
> restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I never got that stuffed 
> feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican restaurants, unlike 
> my mom's.
> 	I remember while traveling to Mexico as a kid to visit my abuelitos,

> we used to have some of the best steaks in the Northern states from 
> Ciudad Juarez through Durango, Zacatecas, etc., to our final 
> destination: San Juan de los Lagos.  My dad would give us a little 
> lesson about what certain areas were known for.  Northern states with 
> all that grazing land: Steaks!!,
> Tepatitlan: carnitas!!  Yep, we'd eat our way through Mexico.  The 
> other route through Nogales, Guaymas would send us along the Gulf 
> Coast, and my dad would push the sea food.  Unfortunately this child 
> didn't like seafood at the time.  I recall my older sister ordering 
> camarones naturales.
> Expecting the bay shrimp from a can, she was horrified when they 

I visited the same cemetery when I visited Jerez a
number of years ago.  I took photographs of the
headstones (those that I thought that were related to
me).  The church and cemetery were probably very
beautiful in their time, but yes, the site has been
neglected.  

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Dear Jose,
> It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one!  I
> did get to go to a 
> cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was
> more to the name, but 
> I cannot recall it.)  It was very interesting.  Some
> of graves are 
> covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved
> marblery.  A few are 
> very distant relatives or family connections of my
> grandmother's.  What 
> was also sad about this site was that here these
> folks had spent a LOT 
> of money to perpetuate their existence and the
> cemetery was so 
> neglected and overgrown with weeds.  One grave had a
> broken slab and 
> bees had made their hive inside.  My husband, our
> guide, and myself 
> were the only ones there and it was a sobering
> experience.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. 
> Leonardo de la Torre 
> Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two
> gentlemen whom I met on 
> my trip.  Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on
> historical 
> research.  You might be able to get Leonardo's email
> address from Mimi 
> Lozano's Somos Primos newsletter.  Marge:)
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:50 AM, zendean wrote:
> 
> > Margarita;
> >      My great grandfather and ggmother were
> from Jerez, Zacatecas. I 
> > wonder,
> >  is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife
> Leonarda Ramirez are 
> > and
> >  have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me
> that they visited 
> > them in
> >  Zacatecas when they were little and that the
> Macias's lived on a farm 
> > there.
> >      I wonder if you know some one that is
> there now that I can 
> > correspond
> >  with to ask about them.
> >
> >  Jose Macias
> >  usa20@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: "Margarita Vallazza"
> <TeaCozyGran@...>
> >  To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> >  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the
number of times on my left hand that my dad took us to
a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San
> Diego, a Mexican-Amer
> co-worker telling me that another made tamales
> funny.  I responded with how
> does she make them?  He answered that she folded
> them instead of tying the
> ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because
> we fold them, and I kept
> wondering why they tied the ends in all of the
> Mexican restaurants in San
> Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how
> they made them in Baja
> California where my first co-worker's mom was from,
> and many of the
> restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote
> San Diego for the best
> Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I
> never got that stuffed
> feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican
> restaurants, unlike my
> mom's.  
> 	I remember while traveling to Mexico as a kid to
> visit my abuelitos,
> we used to have some of the best steaks in the
> Northern states from Ciudad
> Juarez through Durango, Zacatecas, etc., to our
> final destination: San Juan
> de los Lagos.  My dad would give us a little lesson
> about what certain areas
> were known for.  Northern states with all that
> grazing land: Steaks!!,
> Tepatitlan: carnitas!!  Yep, we'd eat our way
> through Mexico.  The other
> route through Nogales, Guaymas would send us along
> the Gulf Coast, and my
> dad would push the sea food.  Unfortunately this
> child didn't like seafood
> at the time.  I recall my older sister ordering
> camarones naturales.
> Expecting the bay shrimp from a can, she was
> horrified when they served her
> raw shrimp, heads, tails & shells, as if they had
> just been pulled out of
> the sea.  Naturalmente  :)
> Irma   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alberto Duarte [mailto:albertodua@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:49 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole
> 
> It's all regional:
> Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their
> food tastes better, 99%
> will tell you that there is food is much better. 
> And if ask the people of

You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a Mexican-Amer
co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I responded with how
does she make them?  He answered that she folded them instead of tying the
ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because we fold them, and I kept
wondering why they tied the ends in all of the Mexican restaurants in San
Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how they made them in Baja
California where my first co-worker's mom was from, and many of the
restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote San Diego for the best
Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I never got that stuffed
feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican restaurants, unlike my
mom's.  
	I remember while traveling to Mexico as a kid to visit my abuelitos,
we used to have some of the best steaks in the Northern states from Ciudad
Juarez through Durango, Zacatecas, etc., to our final destination: San Juan
de los Lagos.  My dad would give us a little lesson about what certain areas
were known for.  Northern states with all that grazing land: Steaks!!,
Tepatitlan: carnitas!!  Yep, we'd eat our way through Mexico.  The other
route through Nogales, Guaymas would send us along the Gulf Coast, and my
dad would push the sea food.  Unfortunately this child didn't like seafood
at the time.  I recall my older sister ordering camarones naturales.
Expecting the bay shrimp from a can, she was horrified when they served her
raw shrimp, heads, tails & shells, as if they had just been pulled out of
the sea.  Naturalmente  :)
Irma   

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte [mailto:albertodua@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:49 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

It's all regional:
Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their food tastes better, 99%
will tell you that there is food is much better.  And if ask the people of
Jalisco if their food tastes better, 99% will tell you that their food is
better.  To me, the Mexican food here in California is the best (But I won't
tell that to my wife).

Alberto.

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> Irma,
>  
> Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about
> 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods are very similar, 
> this must be one of those foods.
>  
> Alicia
> 

Dear Jose,

It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I did get to go to a cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was more to the name, but I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some of graves are covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved marblery. A few are very distant relatives or family connections of my grandmother's. What was also sad about this site was that here these folks had spent a LOT of money to perpetuate their existence and the cemetery was so neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a broken slab and bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our guide, and myself were the only ones there and it was a sobering experience.



Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two gentlemen whom I met on my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on historical research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email address from Mimi Lozano's Somos Primos newsletter. Marge:)

On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:50 AM, zendean wrote:

Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.

Thank you.

Hey, Jose, we could be related!



Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> Jose,
> 
> I have a 2002 phone book that has a section for
> Jerez. Would you like 
> for me to send you a scan of all the Macias?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> zendean wrote:
> 
> >Margarita;
> >    My great grandfather and ggmother were from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder, 
> >is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife
> Leonarda Ramirez are and 
> >have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me
> that they visited them in 
> >Zacatecas when they were little and that the
> Macias's lived on a farm there.
> >    I wonder if you know some one that is there now
> that I can correspond 
> >with to ask about them.
> >
> >Jose Macias
> >usa20@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>
> >To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she
> died just before my
> >>sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories
> of her but here's one
> >>or two:
> >>
> >>I remember her fixing something called atole,
> which I didn't like, but
> >>remembering it from a fog of some years' distance,
> I would say it's a
> >>healthy drink.  She also had prunes in her
> oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
> >>to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd
> be served a dish of
> >>it and enjoy it.  I liked it better than my
> mother's porridge (which I
> >>realize now was a true Scots dish).  At special
> times, don't know what
> >>they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I
> didn't like too
> >>well.  Remember, I was just a kid!:)
> >>
> >>I'll have to think about some more food...some of
> it was just the food
> >>from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he
> was from Chihuahua
> >>city.
> >>
> >>I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my
> grandmother, maybe I
> >>would have learned things about her family in

Margarita;

My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.

Jose Macias
usa20@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>

To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink.  She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
it and enjoy it.  I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
realize now was a true Scots dish).  At special times, don't know what
they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
well.  Remember, I was just a kid!:)

I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
city.

I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas.  I believe
even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say that
because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their mother's
life in Zacatecas.  I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen that my abuelita
had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named Jose (who died in
1919)  and 2 half-sisters and a half-brother...they never knew!  People
in the old country NEVER discussed anything private.  Marge:)




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It's all regional:
Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their
food tastes better, 99% will tell you that there is
food is much better.  And if ask the people of Jalisco
if their food tastes better, 99% will tell you that
their food is better.  To me, the Mexican food here in
California is the best (But I won't tell that to my
wife).

Alberto.

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> Irma,
>  
> Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about
> 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods
> are very similar, this must be one of those foods.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:
> Alicia,
>     You're making me hungry.  My parents used to
> make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits. 
> Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the
> lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> Irma
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole
> 
> 
> 
> Esperanza,
>  
> These tamales were a recent addition to our family
> that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned
> that from the families in Ensenada. 
>  
> My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but
> she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients.
> I believe that in addition to economics, family
> culture also is very telling in how a family cooks
> and eats.
>  
> In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves in
> their culinary skills. My mother is renowned for her
> mole, pozole, tortas de camaron con nopales,
> capirotada, all types of atoles. Atole de piña, de
> maizcena, atole blanco etc. My mom has this great
> dish that she makes called patas de puerco en salsa
> cruda. It's labor intensive but oh sooo good. She
> makes this agua fresca with romaine lettuce, fresh
> orange slices, lemon slices, sugar and yerba buena
> and other fruits if desired and is served only in
> the summer when it's very hot. She lets the
> ingredients sit in the very cold water for a couple
> of hours and is served in a tall glass with a spoon
> so you can spoon out the oranges, romaine and other
> fruits. I prefer it without the other fruits and
> only with citrus.
>  

St. Xavier is near the Alameda and Piasano streets
that are just west of Washington Park.  Most of the
old homes have been torn down (probably because the
area was becoming a slum area).  Nearby, there is a 6
lane bridge crossing over to Juarez.  From the bridge
you can see St. Xavier. 

Most of people that lived in the St. Xavier church
area were originally from Chihuahua, such as my
mother's family, and many were from Zacatecas/Durango,
such as my father's family.  The great majority of the
people were very poor, but their sons and daughters
eventually made the core of our great generation--hard
working, outstanding citizens.  Many of the second
generation want on to become doctors, lawyers,
engineers, actors (Antony Quinn, Gilbert Roland),
teachers, politicians, war heros, and athletics (Ted
Williams mother was from there).

The next generation will even be greater!

Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Where is St. Xavier's?  I don't recall ever hearing
> the name.  I used 
> to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I
> was 8 to Little 
> Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and
> finally to St. Joseph's 
> which was the closest Catholic church near our house
> when we lived near 
> 5 points.  Don't y'all just love this conversation? 
> I do!  Marge:)
> On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
> >  clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
> >  neighborhood and search for them. 
> >
> >  Your grandfather was probably well know in the
> old
> >  barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in
> the old
> >  barrio and he probably knew some of your
> relatives.
> >
> >  As far as finding your Macias family in
> Zacatecas, you
> >  can find them if you have a plan.  I found many
> of my
> >  Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from
> Mapimi,
> >  Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to
> other
> >  parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my
> >  greatggggfather was probably the patriarch of the
> >  Duarte clan in Zacatecas!
> >
> >  Use the Mormon library to gather your
> genealogical
> >  information.  Get a microfiche copy of all the
> Macias
> >  in Zacatecas and start researching them one by
> one,