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Regarding Coat of Arms:
I understand to use a "Coat of Arms" emblem, one has
to have proof that he/she is a direct descendant of a
person that was entitled to use that Coat of Arms.

I've seen a number of Coat of Arms for both sides of
my family, but I do not have proof that any one of my
families were ever entitled to use or claim them.

Alberto.




--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Esperanza,
> >
> >Well, it is not so much that this conversation
> would be boring to other members as it is that it
> could easily drift away from the main area of
> interest of the Ranchos group.  Anyway, just to
> reply to your previous post, here are a couple of
> comments.
> >
> >I still don't have a full picture of all the
> historical events related to the first Villarreales
> in "the New Spain".  I know the first Villarreales
> that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in
> mining for precious metals along with other
> historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and
> Martin de Zavala.  I believe the first mining sites
> in Mexico were located in the center of the country
> and there was a gradual movement in search of new
> sites in practically every direction.  Many of the
> settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru
> Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on
> their way up north.  I believe such is the case for
> Diego de Villarreal.
> >
> >As you know, there are some Villarreales among the
> passenger list of some of the very first ships from
> Spain.  And in my Internet searches I've come across
> some very old legal document from the early 1600's
> that mention some Villarreal in México City.  That's
> the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears
> in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which
> means that there were some other Villarreales down
> south.  I will try to locate that document, as I
> remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk. 
> There are very few historical documents with
> references to the surname Villarreal from the early
> colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle
> together.  It is just a couple of years since I
> started getting interested in this subject and don't
> have as much time to dedicate to this research as I
> would like.  Well, you know how it is, but I hope

http://www.kporterfield.com/aicttw/articles/disease.html

I was listening to a book on tape this morning at work that is called
"Demon in the Freezer" its discusses SmallPox a lot and there was a
small part talking about how in 1520 one Panfilo de Narvaez landed close
to Veracruz and how one of his black slaves came on shore with smallpox
and started an epidemic that spread into the heart of the Aztec empire
and eventually made its way all the way to the Inca's in SA. The author
was making the point that Smallpox "softened" up the continent very
likely giving opportunities that wouldn't have been there without its
devastating effects.

joseph

----------------------

De Narvaez, Panfilo , (1470-1528) Spanish adventurer, born in
Valladolid in 1470; died in Florida in November, 1528.
Panfilo De Narvaez went in his youth to South America, served under
several adventurers, and in 1510 was sent by Juan de Esquivel, governor
of Jamaica, to the relief of Alonso de Ojeda, who had been shipwrecked
upon the coast of Cuba.
Joining Diego Velazquez in 1512 with an auxiliary force, he aided him to
conquer Cuba, and, being sent to Spain in 1516 to promote Velazquez's
interests, obtained for the latter the commission of governor-general of
Cuba, and permission to conquer the neighboring continent.

In 1520, Velazquez, being envious of Cortes's success in Mexico, and
displeased at the latter's resistance to his authority, prepared an
expedition against him, and appointed Narvaez commander. Sailing from
Havana in March, 1520, the latter landed on 23 April at San Juan d'Ulda,
and took and fortified Cempoala, where Cortes tried to open negotiations
with him. But Narvaez demanded complete submission, and on 26 May, 1520,
was defeated by Cortes, severely wounded, and kept a prisoner for
several months in Vera Cruz.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rosalinda M. Ruiz 
  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [ranchos] Rodriguez was- Re: Suarez del Real from Spain.


  Hi Joseph and Victor--

  I just returned from a conference, so sorry for the delay.  First--  I have four siblings for Juana Rufina: Juan Crisostomo, Pedro, Melchora, and Francisco Damasio.  How does Maria del Carmen connect?  Did you see her parents' names on some document?  I haven't seen her before, but I know that I often don't or can't find additional siblings.  The family is from the Tlaltenango/Colotlan area, so it may be a match.  However, I have nothing on Maria del  Carmen, and for the parents, Francisco Rodriguez and Michaela Rosaria de Castro, I have not found their parents or any other information.  Can we solve this mystery?

  Rosalinda

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Esperanza and Victor,
It is very interesting to me to hear the history of other members. 

My grandparents were from the surrounding area of Jalostotitlán, Jalisco and out of 9 children 5 moved to Sacramento, California in the early 1950's.  Two died in Mexico and the remaining 2 moved here within the last 10 years.  There are so many people that live in Sacramento that are from the Jalostotitlan and Teocaltitan de Guadalupe area.  There is also some who chose to live in the Los Angeles area.  I guess they all moved down here because of jobs and word of mouth by their relatives or neighbors.

Maria Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: latina1955@... 
  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Victor


  Hi Victor,

  I didn't realize the Villarreales were connected to Zacatecas, although I have read some history on Zacatecas and came across the Villarreal name quite often, particularly during the time of civil war - I thought the original one settled in Oaxaca.  I have not been able to make a connection with Danny, although the area that he mentions in Nuevo Leon (the place settled by the original settlers there - Hidalgo, Nuevo Leon) is where my father's grandfather was from.  It appears that the family moved to Coahuila around 1830 - not really sure why, but I suspect it had to do with the Independence and "free" territory to those willing to fight the hostile Apaches who lived in the area.  My grandmother also happens to be a Villarreal, but her relatives are from Cd Victoria area.  I still have a great aunt who lives in Nuevo Leon, she lives in Monterrey.  I am hoping to make a journey there this summer, to tap into her memories.....

Author 	Tuck, Jim.

Title The holy war in Los Altos : a regional analysis of Mexico's
Cristero rebellion / Jim Tuck.

Publication info. 	Tucson, Arizona : University of Arizona Press, c1982.
Location 	Call No. 	Status
  UTPA Stacks (2nd West) 	 F1234 .T9 1982     	  AVAILABLE
  UTPA Stacks (2nd West) 	 F1234 .T9 1982  c.2  	  AVAILABLE
Description 	xiii, 230 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
Bibliography 	Bibliography: p. 209-219.
Note 	Includes index.
Local note 	TPNA 15.95
	TPNA 15.95 c.2
Subject 	Cristero Rebellion, 1926-1929.
	Jalisco (Mexico) -- History.
ISBN 	0816507791
===========================
Author 	Robe, Stanley Linn, 1915- comp.

Title Mexican tales and legends from Los Altos / Introd.,
classification, and notes by Stanley L. Robe.

Publication info. 	Berkeley : University of California Press, 1970.
Location 	Call No. 	Status
  UTPA Stacks (2nd West) 	 GR115 .R58     	  AVAILABLE
  UTPA Stacks (2nd West) 	 GR115 .R58  c.2  	  AVAILABLE
Description 	578 p. : ill., ports. ; 27 cm.
Series 	University of California publications. Folklore studies, 20

University of California, Berkeley. University of California
publications. Folklore studies, 20.

Note 	Texts in Spanish; introd., synopses, and notes in English.
Bibliography 	Bibliography: p. 23-25.
Subject 	Tales -- Mexico -- Jalisco.
=============================
Author 	Garmendia Leal, Guillermo.

Title Orígen de los fundadores de Texas, Nuevo México, Coahuila y Nuevo
León / Guillermo Garmendia Leal.

Interesting observation, Alberto.

I agree that in the last couple of centuries migration has been 
predominantly northward.  And the trend still continues!

In my previous post, I was refering to that time when the Spaniards 
were still exploring the unknown territories of New Spain.  That 
usually meant that the first to find valuable lands, mines, etc. 
would have a claim to the same.  This was the greatest incentive for 
the explorers.  At that time they just took a lucky chance in 
deciding what direction to go and hope for the best.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
> The progression and movement of the Mexican people  to
> the north and other parts:
> 
> Have you all noticed the progression and movement of
> the Mexican people, which includes all of us, in the
> last couple of hundred years?
> 
> My records show that my people were in Zacatecas for
> 350+ years until my grandfather moved from Zacatecas
> to Mapimi, Durango, about 1910. He probably moved
> because of the wars, famine, and the need to make a
> decent living for a large family of ten children.
> 
> From Mapimi, my widow grandmother in 1924 went to El
> Paso, Texas, taking all 5 children by herself. The
> other five all died.
> 
> My dad left El Paso for Los Angeles in 1942 because of
> the lack of opportunities for himself and his
> children. Teas was a hard place to make a living for
> anyone Mexican blood at that time.
> 
> I left Los Angeles in 1987 for Santa Maria,
> California, because we could not take the high crime
> rate and deterioration of our community.
> 
> My third oldest daughter left for New York city to
> break in to the fashion industry. My youngest daughter
> told me that she may be leaving for New York city,
> also, after she graduates from college.
> 
> Where does this end? probably it does not.
> 

The progression and movement of the Mexican people  to
the north and other parts:

Have you all noticed the progression and movement of
the Mexican people, which includes all of us, in the
last couple of hundred years?

My records show that my people were in Zacatecas for
350+ years until my grandfather moved from Zacatecas
to Mapimi, Durango, about 1910. He probably moved
because of the wars, famine, and the need to make a
decent living for a large family of ten children.

>From Mapimi, my widow grandmother in 1924 went to El
Paso, Texas, taking all 5 children by herself. The
other five all died.

My dad left El Paso for Los Angeles in 1942 because of
the lack of opportunities for himself and his
children. Teas was a hard place to make a living for
anyone Mexican blood at that time.

I left Los Angeles in 1987 for Santa Maria,
California, because we could not take the high crime
rate and deterioration of our community.

My third oldest daughter left for New York city to
break in to the fashion industry. My youngest daughter
told me that she may be leaving for New York city,
also, after she graduates from college.

Where does this end? probably it does not.






--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> I don't think any of the family stories are boring.
> I believe that it's important for the rest of us to
> see the group/family connections. I think it's
> wonderful how different members are finding each
> others' descendants and for me personally, I get
> inspired and hopeful every time I see others making
> those connections. I may not read every detail of
> every new name and connection but It does give me
> hope and it keeps me motivated.
> Alicia
> 
> Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
> Your family story is not boring. Please continue on.
> 
> Alberto.
> 
> --- latina1955@... wrote:
> 
> > Hi Victor,
> >  
> > I didn't realize the Villarreales were connected
> to
> > Zacatecas, although  I 
> > have read some history on Zacatecas and came
> across
> > the Villarreal name  quite 
> > often, particularly during the time of civil war -
> I
> > thought the  original one 
> > settled in Oaxaca.  I have not been able to make a
> > connection  with Danny, 
> > although the area that he mentions in Nuevo Leon
> > (the place settled  by the 

Esperanza,

Well, it is not so much that this conversation would be boring to other members as it is that it could easily drift away from the main area of interest of the Ranchos group.  Anyway, just to reply to your previous post, here are a couple of comments.

I still don't have a full picture of all the historical events related to the first Villarreales in "the New Spain".  I know the first Villarreales that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in mining for precious metals along with other historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and Martin de Zavala.  I believe the first mining sites in Mexico were located in the center of the country and there was a gradual movement in search of new sites in practically every direction.  Many of the settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on their way up north.  I believe such is the case for Diego de Villarreal.

As you know, there are some Villarreales among the passenger list of some of the very first ships from Spain.  And in my Internet searches I've come across some very old legal document from the early 1600's that mention some Villarreal in México City.  That's the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which means that there were some other Villarreales down south.  I will try to locate that document, as I remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk.  There are very few historical documents with references to the surname Villarreal from the early colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle together.  It is just a couple of years since I started getting interested in this subject and don't have as much time to dedicate to this research as I would like.  Well, you know how it is, but I hope that in time I can collect more bits and pieces of our history.

Regarding Danny, the first thing that I find objectionable is the coat of arms that he displays on his web page as the Villarreal coat of arms.  Coat of arms are not passed on to just anyone with the same name . It follows the family only of the original coat of arms owner and usually his eldest son.  And besides that, there are about a dozen different designs of arms for the Villarreal surname, so how do you decide which one to choose.  I think it is not right to give a wrong and misleading impression to people, particularly to those who are just starting out in their search of their genealogical roots.

Your family story is not boring. Please continue on.

Alberto.

--- latina1955@... wrote:

> Hi Victor,
>  
> I didn't realize the Villarreales were connected to
> Zacatecas, although  I 
> have read some history on Zacatecas and came across
> the Villarreal name  quite 
> often, particularly during the time of civil war - I
> thought the  original one 
> settled in Oaxaca.  I have not been able to make a
> connection  with Danny, 
> although the area that he mentions in Nuevo Leon
> (the place settled  by the 
> original settlers there - Hidalgo, Nuevo Leon) is
> where my father's  grandfather 
> was from.  It appears that the family moved to
> Coahuila around  1830 - not 
> really sure why, but I suspect it had to do with the
> Independence and  "free" 
> territory to those willing to fight the hostile
> Apaches who lived in  the area.  My 
> grandmother also happens to be a Villarreal, but her
>  relatives are from Cd 
> Victoria area.  I still have a great aunt who lives 
> in Nuevo Leon, she lives 
> in Monterrey.  I am hoping to make a journey there 
> this summer, to tap into 
> her memories.....
>  
> I would love to hear how you differ from some of
> Danny's assumptions....the  
> one thing that I can confirm is our Jewish
> background.  My great uncle had  
> kept this secret, and it turns out that my aunts did
> too, until recently, when  
> it no longer mattered.  If you feel that our
> conversation would be a bore  to 
> the rest of the group, email me
> privately.....perhaps we can find a  
> connection to our Villarreal side.  I have been able
> to go back to the late  1700's, 
> but it is connected mostly with my paternal's mother
> side - the  Bermea's, who 
> were the original settlers of the town my father was
> from - Villa  Union, 
> Coauhuila - then known as Rosales when my father was
> born....
>  
> Esperanza
> 


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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> Here is a brother to your Catarina Serrano.
> 
> MIGUEL SERRANO
>   
>
Angie,

Thank you so much for the record.  I'll keep the list of Serrano's names that you're looking for at hand.  I'd be happy to return you the favor!

Victor

Hello Esperanza,

So glad to read your message and to know that you're also a Villarreal! Is that your paternal surname?

I still haven't been able to bridge beyond the 6th generation but I haven't exhausted all resources yet.  What I know for sure is that most of my Villarreals are in Nuevo Leon.  How about you?

About Danny, I've contacted him on a couple of occasions via e-mail but still haven't found the common link (if there is one.)  By the way, I have already sent in a DNA sample to be analyzed, but the results won't be back until early March, I hope.  Chances are that most of the Villarreals in Nuevo León are related.  Although I know that even Diego Villarreal, who is one of the earliest Villarreales in Nuevo León originally came from Mazapil, Zacatecas.  So it is possible that there might be a connection between the northeastern and the southern Villarreales.

Just one more thing about Danny; I think he has done a good job encouraging many to do their genealogies and his name database is quite impressive, but I don't share some of his initial assumptions about the origins of the Villarreales, about the coat of arms and some other things.  I rather do my own homework and verify every finding myself, instead of jumping to hasty conclusions based on some vague rumor or anecdote.  :)

I have volunteered as a moderator for the Villarreal surname in the Ybase forums: 
http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=490
Not much to read right now, but you're cordially invited to browse by and post some lines, OK?

Best of wishes!

Victor.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
> Victor:
>  
> I am also a Villarreal - are you done with that line of research, and does  
> it connect to Danny Villarreal?
>  
> Interesting enough, my mother's side of the family is from Tlaltenango - we  
> are Luna/Herrera and others.....
>  
> Wouldn't it be cool if were related on both ends?
>  
> Esperanza