Suarez del Real from Spain.

Rosalinda,

Thank you so much for your information about Juan Martin Suares del 
Real.  

The data I have about Pedro José Suares del Real (possible gradson of 
Juan Martin)is derived only from the marriage record of José Diego 
Cayetano (my 3rd great grandfather).  

This is so interesting!  Are those records on your email contained in 
the FamilySearch databases?

I'm going to take a real close look at each record and then I'll get 
back to you.

Thanks again!

Victor




New files uploaded to ranchos

Victor--

 

After looking at your files, I see that your ancestor Pedro Jose Suares del Real and his wife Maria Martina Sanches Castellanos are as far back as you have gone.  Well, I am fairly certain that Pedro belongs to my Suares del Real family.  Here's some of what I have found about that family, as far back as the immigrant ancestor from Spain:

 

Descendants of Juan Martin /Suares del Real/


 


 


 


1    [2] Juan Martin /Suares del Real/ b: in Reinos de Castilla


..   +Lorensa Madera


.... 2 Antonio /del Real/

San Jose De Llanetes


go to: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm [also
found in the links area] and under "Llanetas" it says that its a
Hacienda close to "Valparaiso partido del Fresnillo"

go and check it out there are a lot of entries for San Jose and others
but i didn't see Llnetes specifically. Also I did see a San Miguel del
Puerto but it in Oaxaca.

have a look,

joseph



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "javier_m_barrios"
<javier_m_barrios@y...> wrote:
> 
> Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
> owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
> Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
> family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
> Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
> would be appreciated...




Coyote

Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted.  Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.

We are just good people!

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza.  In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
> record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors
> where they are clearly noted as espagnol.  Lastly,
> her son's birth record lists him as espanol.  I
> think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping
> on the job.:)  Marge:) 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MMG8938@... 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:40 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote
> 
> 
>   Hello:
> 
>   In reference to being, Español, mulato/a, coyote,
> etc.  I have an ancestor who is in different
> documents all of the above....go figure that one
> out!  This was in Coahuila!!
> 
>   Mickey 
> 
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Fwd: [ranchos] Fwd: Somos Primos February 2005 lq

You're welcome Joseph.  I should have been posting Mimi's email with the current issue of Somos Primos every single month, but for some reason or another I have just neglected to do it.  I should know better too, as I have been a member for years and because I regularly attend the SHHAR meetings and have been a Board member for quite some time. 

 

I know, there is no excuse for me.  Sorry.

 

But I can make good by posting Somos Primos on Ranchos every month.  Besides for everyone interested, you can view EVERY SINGLE BACK ISSUE to the very first one.

 

Adios,

Steven H.

--- Begin Message ---

Steven,

I guess you saw how I was rambling on and on about music and such and
decided to send this to see if I'd root out the gold. Well I'm sure
there is other Gold in this issue but the URL:
http://www.nuevosvalores.com/index.htm is so so cool. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Also I see there is a nice:
Afro-Mexican Racial & Ethnic Self-Identity: thesis abstract by Alva
Moore Stevenson article and also a 1653 Sancta Provincia de Xalísco:
Carlos Martín Herrera de la Garza article. Yes this particular issue is
rich for all of us. Not to mention what other info we can find.


I don't know why i've been negligent but Mimi Lozano's notification of a
new issue email should be posted every month. Thanks for doing this and
if you want to great otherwise I'll start posting her notification
message on the group regularly.


thanks Steven,

joseph

Pacorro73@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/1/2005 10:54:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MIMILOZANO writes:

Family Tree Software


style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Joseph,
I actually didn’t mean posting it on the message board, but in the section for
the files.  I re-read my message,
though, and could see how you thought that’s what I meant.
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> 
Ok, so, in the meantime, I’ll do my
background check and let you know when I’m ready.  Thanks again!!! 
Peggy


style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> 

color=black>

face=Tahoma>-----Original
Message-----

From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005
3:56 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Family Tree
Software


style='font-size:12.0pt'> 

Family Tree Software

i really don't want genealogies posted to the public message archives.
I'd prefer to keep doing them like we have been doing them and putting
them in private to the group only folders with the persons name and
email address. when you have your files ready email me and we can talk
about the details of how to do this.


joseph

ps: don't send any files with living individuals in them for their
privacy sake.



peggydelgado wrote:

I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here
on this message board. I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez
Roman.







Yahoo! Groups Links














New files uploaded to ranchos

The reason I asked, is because there is a ranch
outside of Jerez called "El Salto", which some of my
ancestors was lived.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal <vela_este@...> wrote:

> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte
> <albertodua@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Where is El Salto?
> > Please let me know.
> > 
> > Alberto.
> >>>
> 
> Hello Alberto,
> 
> My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El
> Salto.  
> I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place
> located a few miles 
> northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of
> Zacatecas, near 
> Villanueva.
> 
> The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in
> Zacatecas and not 
> to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is
> Southeast of 
> Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was
> from Colotlán, which 
> is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?
> 
> Hope this answers your question.
> Regards!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez@s...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor,
> 
> I've been reading this thread and I got a little excited when I saw 
> the name Rosalía Castañeda.  I have one in my family tree.  Her
> name is Juana Rosalía Castañeda, born 26 Apr 1740 in Teul de
> González Ortega, Zacatecaz.  She was the sister of my 5th great-
> grandfather Pedro Castañeda.  
> 
> Their parents seemed to have moved around the state of Zacatecaz a 
> lot because the last three children were born in different ranchos.  
> The last child, Josseph Antonio was born in Tlaltenango.  My
> Rosalía may not be the same as yours, but they might be related.
> 
> Maria Cortez

Thanks María,

As you know, this takes quite a lot of detective work.  Sometimes we have the obvious right in front of us and we don't see it, and sometimes everything seems to fall into place naturally.

Querying the FamilySearch databases is kind of tricky because of all the spelling errors or variants, punctuation marks and name abbreviations in the data fields.  One has to exhaust all the possibilities, including available filters, before giving up on a search.

I believe there's still more in it in this particular branch.  Do you have a file in the files section with the information you posted above?  Maybe I can find the relation between our Castañedas.

Victor

p.s.  By the way, I noticed your accented vowels and the letter "ñ" in your post.  Good!





Raigosa/Raygoza

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal" <vela_este@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be 
one 
> > of these two:
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> > Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> > Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> > 
> > MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> > Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico 
> > 
> > The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> > realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> > 
> > I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> > 
> > - Angie
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Wow!  How could I overlook the age factor?  Even considering 
Rosalia's fertile period of 19 years (from 1765 to 1784), marrying 
at eleven seems too farfetched!  :)
> 
> MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES, born in 1745, seems more in 
line with the possibilities;  just 4 years younger than Josseph 
Dionicio.  Still, by marrying at 19 plus 19 years of fertile life 
would put her at 38 years of age, which is totally within normal or 
acceptable range.
> 
> About the other JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO, I really have to 
double check every assumption I've made.  The final decision might 
be possible only by reading the microfilms.
> 
> - Victor

Hi Victor,

I've been reading this thread and I got a little excited when I saw 
the name Rosalía Castañeda.  I have one in my family tree.  Her
name is Juana Rosalía Castañeda, born 26 Apr 1740 in Teul de
González Ortega, Zacatecaz.  She was the sister of my 5th great-
grandfather Pedro Castañeda.  

Their parents seemed to have moved around the state of Zacatecaz a 
lot because the last three children were born in different ranchos.  
The last child, Josseph Antonio was born in Tlaltenango.  My
Rosalía may not be the same as yours, but they might be related.

Maria Cortez




Film at LDS: Was-Re: Bobadilla

when you and the other members get a chance there is a section in the
Ranchos2 Files area for members to list the films that they have on
permanent hold at their local LDS library. Make sure when you make up
your new file that you click on the box that sends an announcement to
the group.

[also I am very happy that you are happy Mickey. . .your comments and
those other comments by the membership make my work a satisfaction].



thanks,



joseph



ps: once you make up a file don't change anything like the name or 
anything. Try to get the name of the file and the description right the
first time. If you create the file and then think about it and decide
you are going to correct the description and click "edit" and make the
changes then when the "notice" goes out to the membership and we click
on the URL that leads to that file it will not be on the other end. IT
WILL be where you created it and correctly functioning but not just
correctly tied to the notification link.



MMG8938@... wrote:


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THANK YOU, THANK YOU....I HAVE SOME FILM AT THE LDS....MAY BE THAT
NUMBER!!!



Mickey

Family Tree Software

I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was 
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here 
on this message board.  I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing 
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez 
Roman.




San Jose De Llanetes

Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
would be appreciated...




Raigosa/Raygoza

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> 
> Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
> of these two:
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> 
> MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico 
> 
> The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> 
> I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> 
> - Angie

Thanks.

Wow!  How could I overlook the age factor?  Even considering Rosalia's fertile period of 19 years (from 1765 to 1784), marrying at eleven seems too farfetched!  :)

MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES, born in 1745, seems more in line with the possibilities;  just 4 years younger than Josseph Dionicio.  Still, by marrying at 19 plus 19 years of fertile life would put her at 38 years of age, which is totally within normal or acceptable range.

About the other JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO, I really have to double check every assumption I've made.  The final decision might be possible only by reading the microfilms.

- Victor
 




Raigosa/Raygoza

Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
of these two:

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:

MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
realize sometimes people did get married that young...

I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.

- Angie




New files uploaded to ranchos

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
> Where is El Salto?
> Please let me know.
> 
> Alberto.
>>>

Hello Alberto,

My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El Salto.  
I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place located a few miles 
northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of Zacatecas, near 
Villanueva.

The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in Zacatecas and not 
to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is Southeast of 
Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was from Colotlán, which 
is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?

Hope this answers your question.
Regards!

Victor






Raigosa/Raygoza

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> I think I might have some information for you.
> 
> I found this marriage record:
> JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
>   Male
> Marriages: 
>   Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
>   Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
>>>

Angie,

I reviewed the Raygoza records you posted.  All seems to indicate 
that they are indeed siblings, as the parents names, the location and 
the dates coincide.  I'm adding them for now to my tree and
I'll make 
a note to verify on microfilm.

I went two generations further on the Raygoza line, as I have now 
Francisco Roman De Raygoza, father of Josseph Dionicio and Joseph de 
Raygoza father of Francisco Roman .  Please review the updated 
GabinaMartel file on my folder, from the sixth generation and up.

Regarding Rozalia Castaneda, wife of Josseph Dionicio, I have one 
candidate from the same batch number of baptismal records, which is 
the following:

MARIA ROZALIA DEL REFUGIO CASTANEDA SANDOBAL  
Christening:  04 OCT 1753   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Father:  YSSIDRO ANTONIO DE CASTANEDA BARGAS  
Mother:  YSSABEL DE SANDOBAL     
Source Information:  
Batch No.:  Dates:
C600896     1745 - 1758  

I would have to check the marriage record of Josseph Dionicio Raygoza 
and Rozalia Castaneda, dated 05 MAR 1764,  (Batch No. M607141, Film 
No. 0443969) to find other indications that this could be the same 
person.

Would appreciate very much to know if you have something on María 
Rozalia.

Victor.





Jerez, Zacatecas



Thanks Alberto,



great account and thanks for the information. Not really related but
just thought I'd toss in a few books on Jerez that I found on WorldCat:




face="Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica" size="4">Jerez y su gente :


región de vírgenes, nomadismo y
resistencia cultural /

José de Jesús Montoya Briones

1996
1. ed.

Spanish

align="middle" src="gifSQK38j3CuH.gif" alt="Book"> Book

149 p. : ill., maps ; 21 cm.
México, D.F. : INAH : Plaza y Valdés Editores,
; ISBN: 9688564451

SALUDOS TO EVERYONE

Please excuse me for the late reply. 

The following article I found in "Jerez, Monografia e
Historia, by Ricardo Santoyo Reveles."

Here goes:

La Esclavitud
"El 7 de abril de 1780, llego el reclamon de una de
estas ventas, realizado por Don Pantaleon de le Torre
y Salcedo en poder de la senora Rosa Gomez, viudua de
Eusebio Sanchez Castellanos, quien reclama a su
apoderado el trato de una mulata esclava de nomber
Petra, la que obtuvo por su difunto marido, y que
nacio en su casa durante su matrimonio; julio de 1760,
se trato a Don Pedro Calderon, asentista de gallos en
Jerez, este trato tenia ano y medio de haberse
efectuado; en ese tiempo de la Torre y Salcedo vendio
en 170 pesos y despues se valuo en 125, y Rose Gomez
reclama que no se le padgado la totalidad del precio y
que se resisten a pagar lo expresado y que esto iria
hasta los tribunales competentes.
    La Audiencia Real de Mexico, expdio en 1716 eln
drecho de libertad a los escloavos de jerez, pero esto
no se lleva a cabo, todavio para el sigle XIX,
existian algunos esclavos."

Apparently, the widow of Eusebio Sanchez Castellanos,
a relative of my great----grandfather Antonio Sanchez
of Jerez, had a dispute over the ownership and price
of a slave by the name of Petra.

So you can see that some of our common ancestors from
Jerez, were buying and selling slaves during the early
history of Mexico.  It was hard for me to believe that
any relative of mine would deal in such awful trade. 
But life goes on regardless of what happend in the
past.



--- marge vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> When I was in Zacatecas, our tour guide, who took us
> to my grandmother's hometown of Jerez, looked
> mulatto.  But I wasn't about to tell him that he
> looked mulatto.  BTW, Al, which ancestor bought
> slaves?  Marge V.:)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Alberto Duarte 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:17 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] SALUDOS TO EVERYONE
> 
> 
>   Note:
>   I have a historical event book from Jerez, and
> there
>   is an article where they were selling black and
>   mulatto slaves on the open market (early 1700s).
> In
>   fact, I believe one of my ancestors buying them.
> 
>   Question: What happened to all these slaves?  When
> I
>   went to Jerez, I didn't see a single black!  I
> believe
>   they were assimilated in to the population.
> 

New files uploaded to ranchos

Where is El Salto?
Please let me know.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal <vela_este@...> wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> 
> This is to notify you of a couple of files that I
> just uploaded to
> the Files Section.
> 
> Surnames: Villagrana, Martel, Pinedo, Colunga, Del
> Real, Serrano,
> Arana, Rosales, Marquez, Lopez, Sandoval, Sanches
> Castellanos,
> Hurtado, Morillo, Perez, Tovar, Raygoza, Balbuena,
> Alvarado ...
> 
> Places: Monte Escobedo, Villa Guerrero, Totatiche,
> Tlaltenango,
> Colotlán, El Terrerito, El Salitre, El Salto...
> 
> Your comments (and help) are most welcome!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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