TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

thanks very much to Ed Serros for this very nice article that is located
in the "files" area of Ranchos 2..

joseph

ps: quite a few of you are still not signed on to Ranchos2. If you get
this but can seem to get to Ranchos2 when you click on the "Ranchos2"
link in the "links" area of the "original" Ranchos group then maybe you
are one of those unsubscribed members. There is a lot of info there. let
me know if you can't access that site.

okay I see I've kind of gotten carried away with this. Its just that I
don't think to often of the cultural influences that affected our
relatives in different parts of Mexico. Its hard to imagine my relatives
in 1700's in some small Ranchos being subject to a higher level of
Music. But then I'm sure that even in the bigger Cities there was the
initial presentations and then that influence would filter outward
eventually making its way to the countryside even if it was only on the
strings of single guitarists trying to duplicate the more cultured
sound of the big city.

joseph


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CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO CUS
LA LOYOLA UNIV LLM
NM UNIV OF NEW MEXICO IQU
NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN IXA

Title:     Trayectoria de la música en México
epoca colonial /
Corp Author(s):     Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México.
Publication:     Mexico :; Voz Viva,
Year:     1984
Description:     4 sound discs :; analog, 33 1/3 rpm ; c 12 in.
Language:     Latin
Series:     Documentos sonoros ;; 1; Serie música nueva ;; MN-23

Music Type: Fantasias; Masses; Multiple forms; Part-songs;
Ricercars; Sonatas
Contents: 1. Polifonía catedralicia del siglo XVI : obras de Juan de
Lienas, Hernando Franco y en náhuatl -- 2. Villancicos, jácaras y
negrillas del siglo XVII : la música en México desde Juan Gutiérrez de
Padilla hasta Antonio de Salazar -- 3. El alto barroco y el ocaso de la
era colonial : música anónomina y de Manuel de Zumaya e Ignacio
Jerusalén -- 4. Tablaturas y otros manuscritos de los siglos XVI al
XVIII : obras para laúd, guitarra barroca y guitarra.

   SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor:     Music -- Mexico -- 16th century.
Music -- Mexico -- 17th century.
Music -- Mexico -- 18th century.

Note(s): Includes sacred and secular music from Mexico from the
16th, 17th, and 18th centuries./ Program notes (16 p. : ill., facsims.)
inserted in container./ Participants: Various performers.

Can those of you that have special maps for your particular area of
research send them to me? I want to make up a section that has only good
maps for as many areas within our area of research as I can. I'm not
looking for generalized maps but those that get down to the Rancho
level. If I've already got the map either at my personal site that is
linked to in the "links" area or one of the other links you don't need
to send it again. But if you have a nice one you are pretty sure we
don't have please scan it or have it scanned and send it to me. I'll
make up a section for them and make them available to everyone.

thanks,

joseph

ps: I'd be especially interested in an Rancho level maps for the
Tepetongo, Sombrerete, Villanueva, Malpaso, Momax, Tepechitlan and
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas area.

As a new member, I've decided that I need to read all the postings 
since the beginning. I'm really impressed with the quality of the 
information and the commaraderie of this group.

I'm looking for a book from Miguel Alba titled "Una seccion de los 
Alba de los Altos de Jalisco" it was supposed to have been published 
in Mexico,D.F. in 1981. If anyone has any suggestions how I might 
find it, I would appreciate it.

My paternal grandparents are from Encarnacion de Diaz,Jalisco. Some 
of the surnames involved are:
Alba,Gonzalez,Villasenor,Verdin,Romo,Moreno,Lomelin,Ortega,Guerra,Mart
in,Estrada,Bocanegra,Sotomayor,Arenas,Retamosa.

My Maternal grandfather is from La Noria de San Pantaleon, Zacatecas. 
Surnames there are:
Breceda,Lares,Chacon,Rodriguez

I will be updating my lines and posting it here in the next few weeks.

Thanks,
Ken

Hello:

I have made a great discovery today and wanted to share it will all 
of the group. I was always told that we (family) were from Spanish 
decent and that a grandfather had come from Spain on a boat to 
Mexico. Blah Blah Blah! Well, Guess what? I guess oral stories do 
have some hint of truth. I was reading a book called "Historia de 
Guachinango" by Felipe Arreola (whom I bought the book directly 
from). Here is the excerpt that I found:

"El 20 de Marzo de 1829, se dio un decreto ordenado la salida de los 
Espanoles del territorio de la Republica. La orden se plublico en 
Guachinango el 3 de mayo del mismo año y se fijo un mes de termino 
para que salieran del pueblo. Se recordo y volvio a publicar el 29 de 
junio y, por dispocision del jefe politico de Autlan, se concedio que 
se quedara en la localidad un español: Don Juan Bautista de Iglesias, 
esto por hallarse Guachinango a mas de sesenta leguas de distancia de 
la costa; se recibio la excepcion el 6 de julio mismo año por don 
Pablo Ibarra.

En Guachinango, de nada habia servido la guerra de independencia, ya 
que quince años despues, en 1836, gobernaba como alcade un español: 
Don Juan Bautista de Iglesias. Durante se gestion, se apropio de los 
terrenos ejidales of del fundo municipal, lo del lado norte. Esto 
provoco una pelea con los indigenas poseedores que sembraban esas 
tierras."

There is more to the story but I was just surprised to hear about my 
gggggreat grandfather Juan Bautista de Iglesias really from Spain. 
Sorry, about not being able to translate it but I'm not that great 
and some words are hard.

~J

While visiting the El Paso County office and ordering death 
certificates for my grandfathers I was pleasantly notified by a 
clerk that I could go on line to search for information on DEATH, 
BIRTHS, MARRIAGES and CIVIL CASES.  I did a Google search for "El 
Paso County search" and I was able to get quite a few of those pesky 
dates for more recent family members. The info is very basic but it 
did clear up alot of the blank spaces for my cousins their spouses, 
etc. 
How about your city? To find out you can call your local county 
office for theie internet address. If your city has a similar site 
could you share it with the group.  Muy agradecida, muy agradecida! 
Yolanda 

Joseph,

Can you tell me if I have sent mine in? I think I have but just to be sure
can you check. The names I am researching are:

Sandoval
Arellano
Correa

Thank you


              ~~glo~~






From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: LosRanchos <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ranchos] April 15, 2005
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:51:29 -0500

I just checked and I only have 56 genealogies and 73 members. That means
that 17 of you haven't sent in your work yet. Now I realize that in the last
month or so we've had a good 5 or so new members and of course they will be
given extentions of a short few months say to around June 15, 2005, but for
the other 12 of you that have been in the group a long time now and don't
have a good reason for not sending in your work. . .well all I have to say
is April 15th is coming up fast and I need a short communication from you
with a real good reason why even if we've discussed the matter previously.
In the next couple of weeks or so I'll be sending out an email to all 17
members including the new memberships. You'll have to forgive my old brain
so just remind me as in

"Jeez, joseph whu-zup with this i just joined two days ago, remember
tarugo!!!"

sincerely,

joseph the blade

ps: some of the genealogies also haven't been updated for a long long time.
There are no rules on this but it is to everones advantage to periodically
update your work so others might review it and possibly find a new
primo/prima.

Joseph,
 
I do not know of any Roman ties. However, I would be very interested
in knowing how the haciendas functioned and how they were structured
in terms of people, if you know such data. 

I do know that the Felguerez haciendas in Valparaiso and Colotlan
appeared to work closely together, even though it appears to me that
one part of the family "worked" one and another part of the family
"worked" the other. I uploaded an article into the Valparaiso photo
folder describing in Spanish the extent of the Felguerez land holdings
in the Colotlan and Valparaiso area (see paragraph 3 of the Cerro de
Gallegos jpg file). I estimate the haciendas comprised approximately
1500 sq. miles, assuming square plots of land, which may not be the
case. Near as I can tell, in 1910 Mexico was owned by 1000 families
and 1/4 of Mexico was owned by 200 of them.

My grandfather, Jose Cruz Cerros, likely worked on the Felguerez
haciendas. My grandmother, Maria Felguerez, was the illegitimate
daughter of one of the Felguerez. Maria's mother was Valenta Pinedo, a
servant in one of the ranchos, possibly Penablanca or El Astillero. In
reviewing birth records from Valparaiso, I found many Pinedos. 

The Felguerez family was in charge of most birth records in Valparaiso
for decades, signing most of these municipal records. 

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> Julian Roman was overseeing or somehow in charge of several
haciendas in 
> Monte Escovedo and Colotlan. Do you have any Roman family ties?
> 
> joseph
> 
> Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Is anyone in the group studying in the Valparaiso, Zacatecas area?
> >>
> >>if so might you have these surnames in your family: Castro, Garcia, 
> >>Duenas, Martinez, and/or Arevalo?
> >>
> >>joseph
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I have been researching the Felguerez and Cerros surnames in
> >Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. The Felguerez family owned large
> >haciendas (El Astillero, Penablanca, others) in Valparaiso and
> >Colotlan. The Cerros surname is limited to Valparaiso. Additional
> >secondary surnames in my studies of Valparaiso include: Reyes,
> >Aguirre, Sanchez, de la Torre, and Ibarra. I would be happy to share

I'm currently listening to a book on tape about the life of Mozart and
whenever I listen to historical accounts of great people I always seem
to think of my relatives in the sense of wondering what they were doing
during that same time period. For example Mozart was doing his composing
[1781] at the same time that my gggg grandfather, Vicente Diaz was born
in Cuculiten, Zacatecas. So i wondered about him awhile during the time
I should have been listening to my story and then started thinking about
the historical music of Mexico. And then I started thinking of really
really wanting to hear some music from Mexicos 17th and 18th century. I
found this reference to traditional dances and was wondering if anyone
has any "music" or "dance" in their genealogy? Does anyone have
relatives that either by word of mouth or somehow by records were listed
as musicians?

. . .or does anyone know of an particular reference books that might
give some of the history of Mexican Music and possibly what our
relatives were listening to???

how about that song, "La Llorona" is that very very old as in a few
centuries? or does anyone know of songs that go back a few centuries
even if they don't know the specific history of them?

thanks,

joseph. . .who just gets into daydreams about his relatives some times
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Title:      Jalisco folklórico

Corp Author(s): Grupo Folklórico Ciudad de Guadalajara. ; Clase 10
(Firm)

Publication:     Cuernavaca, Morelos, México :; Clase 10,
Year:     2002

Description: 2 videocassettes : sd., col. ; 1/2 in. + 1 sound disc
(digital ; 4 3/4 in.) + 1 book (63 p. : col. ill. ; 24 cm.)

Well I'm on a roll so here is something else on my mind. The file space
of the Ranchos1 group is over 50% used. [11463 Kb used of 20480 Kb
total]. I guess I start getting a little antsy when we get anywhere
close to our allotted "free" space.

Now this is just my thought and not a requirement, but . . .

I prefer but not require that you send your work in as a genealogy
report for a couple of reasons:

1) the genealogy report gives much much more info than the straight line
tree. You have the side branches to an extent along with their downline
information

2) the genealogy report uses so so much less file space

As we get much closer to exhausting our free space we'll have to make a
group decision. So to prolong that moment as long as possible I'd ask
that some of you think about possibly changing your trees to reports.
Also any new people I'd really love for you to consider sending in a
report instead of a tree, BUT as I said before it is not a requirement
just a preference of mine.

thanks,

joseph