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Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias. There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame. Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes. Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records. There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested). The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class. Both Domingo Antonio

Hi ?,

It means don Fernando Arguelles is a native of the Principality of Asturias, a place in northern Spain.

Christopher de Cuellar

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From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797

I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias?  I have no relation to him but just curious.

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Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug?  I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

Welcome to the fascinating world of history and genealogy! We all catch it eventually. The feeling of desire, intrigue, hunger after genealogy. One door opens three and before we know it, our family tree can span several generations over centuries. Genealogy is truly and art, not a mere hobby.

The document is beautifully written. It should say, "Don Fernando de Arguelles, natural del Principado de Asturias, de veinte anos." What sparks my curiosity is he was only twenty years old and was called Don. It was very common during colonial Mexico for these "youngsters" to be imported by their wealthy uncles to administrate their businesses. He was from Asturias, Spain, de facto, he was "asturiano" by birth. There are numerous Arguelles families in the region, most seem to descend from the main house in Asturias. The ones nearby in Zacatecas were the Arguelles y Miranda who married into the Sanchez de Tagle family who possesed the Marquisate of Altamira the other one of interest are the

Hello, I just saw your message while searching for Ursua's on Nuestros Ranchos. I hope you see this message since you posted yours back in 2007. I have Ursua ancestors, and my research is leading me to Aguascalientes, and I do see your ancestors Luiz Joseph Ursua Chabes in my search. This is what I got. My first Ursua I found was Lugardo Ursua, born and married in Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, married to Juana Maria Nieves Garcia. His parents were Tomas de Ursua and Juana Maria Casiana Sanches, who came to the Zacoalco area between 1785 and 1788. They originally married in Aguascalientes on 14 nov 1773. Tomas' parents were Faustino de Ursua and Maria Peres. I have not been able to find Faustino's baptism, however, I was able to locate his death certificate and in there, it mentions that his parents were Juan Ursua and Cayetana Chavez and this family was from San Bartolome. Do you think my Faustino was brother to your Luis Joseph?

Saludos, Steve in NC

Just a note, his name was De La Campa y Cos. Many of his relatives can be found in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Puebla. They all came from Cantabria, Spain. He did not have any male descendants and only his daughters succeded him as Countess.

Daniel MdTC

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> On May 21, 2014, at 3:20 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
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> I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:
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> http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg
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> source:
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55910-17?cc=1874591&wc…
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> As you know that nearby about 1 hour on car on the road (in today's standard of travel, there is a Hacienda called, "Hacienda De San Mateo" that was the favorite Hacienda of the Conde "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos (1676 - 1742)
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> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_la_Campa

Hola!! mis antepasados son edivigis pasillas y antonio amaro. Yo no he encontrado nada mas acerca de ellos si tienes info o sabes donde puedo buscar me gustria saber si no es molestia que me ayudaras, estoy preparando para mis padres la informacion de la familia de regalo de navidad. Ojala me puedas ayudar !! de antemano gracias!
barbara melendez

Me imagino que has encontrado la información en FamilySearch? la región que mencionas Múzquiz tiene muy pocos registros, lo cual puede darse a que es un poblado nuevo ó que estaba bajo la jurisdicción de otra iglesia, algo que te puede ayudar es buscar por el lado histórico cuales son las parroquias mas antiguas, en lo personal desconozco la historia de Coahuila, entonces parte de la Nueva Vizcaya, pero generalmente las ciudades mas grandes y antiguas poseen mayor numero de datos. Suerte!

just wanted to share that I have records where the wife is still having children at 49 so child bearing years seemed to have been longer in the old days. I also have a record where the man was 47 when he remarried a 14 year old, he already had 8 children and together they had another 11 children.
Linda in Olympia, Wa.
On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:07 AM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

My chance I ran across the baptismo of the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera.

Her name is Maria Dimas De La Paz, "Espanola" from Rancho Del "Guitasti"? and was baptized in 1819 our village Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.  Her parents are:  Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

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To verify that she is correctly the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera, here is a baptism record of a son they had name Julian Madera (1859) that is the brother of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera.  And it lists parents of Julian Madera are Patricio

Hi Donna,
I have to go to school
now, so this is going to be kind of quick and not very thorough, since I don’t
have time to go through all the marriage and baptism records. And, I’m leaving
out tons of dates, but, I can still give you a little more information. Also, I’m
not sure how familiar you are with family search but, you’ll get a lot farther
in your search if you look here: https://familysearch.org/search

I did find your last post on NR and it looks like there may have been a glitch of some kind because I see you posted your request on May 11th and I checked my email and your post isn't on the digest for that day or the next day. Maybe, someone can look into that. I do see George
provided you with information on Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava, so I’ll
skip them, since I don’t have a lot of time. I too agree with George that those
are your correct ancestors even though you’re missing three of the children. I’ll
jump right to Benito Mercado and Longina Enriquez. If you

Hi Donna,

I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you've been having finding assistance on the forum. I honestly, don't recall seeing your posts in the past and I try to look at all the digests in case I can help. I can tell you from my own experience that everyone on the forum is very helpful and very knowledgeable. I'm not sure if you're doing something wrong, but there are some ways to improve your chances of getting a response. I notice you left the Subject header without changing it to something specific. I used to do that in the beginning and it definitely limits your chance of success. If you leave the subject header unchanged, it will be very easy to miss. Also, if you're sending a research request make sure you're sending it to the research list and not here to the general list. In addition, if you're wanting people to look at your tree, you can attach a link to your folder in your message, I've seen some new people do that and it makes it easy for members
to access your tree as

Donna

Like Raul, I do not recall seeing your previous posts.

I took a brief look at the indexed Tepetongo church records at Family Search, and I believe I may have found some records that may be of interest, but they need further research.

I did a search for children of Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava. In the results, there are three children, although not one that you have named, but the time period is correct, so I looked at one of the baptismal records:

Bruno Acevedo, baptized 16 Oct 1890, San Juan Bautista, Tepetongo, the son of Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava. The paternal grandparents are Antonio Acevedo and Guadelupe Marquez; the maternal grandparents are Domingo Nava and Jesus Acevedo. There is a marginal note in the baptismal record that Bruno married Martina Dias on 16 Jan 1915 (the church is not stated, but in the absence of a place I would assume San Juan Bautista).

In your information you have the parents of Francisco Acevedo as "Marquez Acevedo" and

That is very possible and not unheard of. Even nowadays men are having
children in there 70's. Of course the mother is much younger. In rural
communities you might hear of a 16yr old married to a well established 60'
yr old.
On May 16, 2014 9:43 PM, wrote:

> Can my great great grandfather have kids in his 60's?
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> I have found baptismos where my great great grandfather Patricio Madera
> and Dimas De La Paz had kids in the 1850's:
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> Julian Madera, who is the brother of my great grandfather Calixto Madera,
> born in 1859:
> http://oi60.tinypic.com/x1leoj.jpg
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> Calistra Madera born in 1853:
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=taoglx&s=8#.U3avvNJdWO0
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> Listed as parents: Patrico Madera and Dimas De La Paz, Paternal
> Grandparents Juan Benancion Madera and Geronima Fernandez
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> Here is the baptism of my great great grandfather Patricio Madera in 1792:
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34ezs0k&s=8#.U3av4tJdWO0
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> And his parents is Juan Benancio Madera and Maria Josefa
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> Here is

not sure of your message,

but I sent you an email early Saturday about needing Yahoo Messenger and
a Yahoo Email account (both free to download off the internet) to be in
the chat. did you get that message.

not sure what you mean below?

joseph

MMG8938@aol.com wrote:

>So I do I chat??
>
>Mickey

I had a somewhat similar situation in my research.

The sister of my g-g-grandfather was said to have been born on a particular date but there is no record of her. However, there is a baptismal record of the masculine version of her name (Anastacia, Anastacio) showing the same birth date. Within the record it shows "hijo de" and also lists the name as "Jose Anastacio." (There is no family remembrance as to her having a twin.)

My current theory is that the priest just screwed-up. Perhaps when writing down the information of the baptism at a later time he inadvertently mixed-up the genders trying to remember if a child was a boy or a girl. I saw the same situation in another record, not of my family, but within baptismal records.

There are no civil records available to double check the birth. Have you tried looking for him and her in the civil records?

That is my best guess on your question.

Good luck!

Michael Carrillo

I believe it is "morisco" not monijo. This was a caste in colonial Mexico given to people of mixed ancestry, usually native, black, and español. Castes became complex as to people's mixture. You'll also notice the mother has no surname, which in many instances may refer to indio, but not always.

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres C.

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> On May 16, 2014, at 5:16 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
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> As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:
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> Jose Gil Abad Monijio
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> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0
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> Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?
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