Buenas noches, hoy buscando en pilot.familysearch.org algunos antepasados me he encontrado con algunos Membrila de la region de San Martin Hidalgo, Tecolotlan y Cocula.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
Dear GenReys:
What time were your relatives in Iowa living in a boxcar? I have Blakes from Iowa and during the depression years (dust bowl), 1925, life was very hard. I have my great great grandmothers letter to my great grandmother, letting her know about her sister. She and her husband were working at the gravel pits for $4.00 a day and living in a shanty. During the summer, the heat in the metal shanty was unbearable. Dust that blew from the fields and not to mention the dust in the pits, shortened the lives of the people living in this area. Dust in the lungs caused infections and they had increased risks of pneumonia. You can imagine what your relatives lives were like. Despite all of that, they were happy to have work at a time when many were starving.
Anyway, asides from that, have you tried name variations in your search for Atilano Vargas? I have some Vargas in my Jauregui line and I have found these variations on the spelling of the name, Baragas, Bargas
At this time some people from valle de gpe would live in similar conditions when they would come north to Trona California to find work. My mother was born in trona in 1928 but my grandparents moved back to the valle de gpe because life was rough in the Usa during the depression.
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Dear GenReys:
What time were your relatives in Iowa living in a boxcar? I have Blakes from Iowa and during the depression years (dust bowl), 1925, life was very hard. I have my great great grandmothers letter to my great grandmother, letting her know about her sister. She and her husband were working at the gravel pits for $4.00 a day and living in a shanty. During the summer, the heat in the metal shanty was unbearable. Dust that blew from the
Hellow Maureen,
I have a pretty good history of my ancestors in Iowa. They made it to Iowa in October 1916. From what I understand from my great aunt Sister Marilyn they worked in onion fields picking onions for 10 cents (a day?) and they slept in gunny sacks. I do not know why they chose Iowa as their destination though. I believe Victoriano also worked for the railroad once he made it to the US but he and my grandfather (who lied about his age to work in the coal mines) both worked in the coal mines.
-From Mexico to the Midwest
Dear Mex to Mid:
As part of my husband's genealogy, I interviewed his father about his family history. It was a great story. His father was a beet worker in Wyoming and that is where my father-in-law was born, only to be deported voluntarily back to Mexico during the depression without his birth certificate. The saga of how he came back to the US was another whole story. Anyway, in the early 1900's, he said, trucks would come into the towns in Mexico calling for workers. The US needed manpower to harvest the fields. Men and sometimes whole families would hop on the truck and would travel up and work the fields. As you can see, they were paid little and the work was hard in very difficult conditions. Sometimes they stayed on and started following the crops from one state to another. This was a boom time in the US and many also migrated east and worked in the steel mills around Chicago. When the depression hit, the steelworkers lost their jobs and were deported back. I
Hello, I'm researching the Alvarado and Hernandez surnames. I am not exactly
sure which part of Mexico the Alvarado surname came from at this time,
although I do know that the Hernandez surname came from either La Blanca,
Zacatecas or Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
I am researching Pedro Alvarado, b. 12 Jan. 1883 and his wife, Angela
Hernandez, b. 2 Aug. 1895, as these are my great-grandparents. Their first
born child, Hilario Alvarado, was born in 1916. From what I can figure out they were married in 1919, according to a 1930 US Census record I found for them. I was able to find a border crossing for Angela Hernandez showing that she came over in 1922 with my great-uncle Hilario and my grandfather, Phillip (Felipe) to join her husband, Pedro. They crossed in El Paso, TX and ultimately ended up in Gonzales and Monterey, CA, USA, where their remaining 6 children were born.
At this time I do not know of any siblings for Pedro, nor do I know his
mother's maiden name. I do believe that
Hello,
I'm just beginning my research and starting off by finding out as much
as I can about the Gonzalez's from Guatimala, Huanusco, Zacatecas.
Guatimala is a small ranch town just west of Huanusco.
I've looked through several rolls from the FHC and have found useful
information, but am hoping for further information about what steps to
take next.
My grandfather's name is Jose Inez Gonzalez, born in Guatimala--birth
year unknown. Jose Inez is the son of Monico Gonzalez, born in 1890.
Monico is the son of Jacinto Gonzalez, born in 1870, who is the son of
Lucas Gonzalez--birth year unknown. From family oral history, I
believe Jose Inez was born sometime in the 1910s. I have looked
through part of the FHC Roll #1089500 (1904-1917), and all of #1083044
(1918-1920) but was unable to find him. (The library closed before I
could finish going through all of the 1904-1917 period.) My oldest
uncle would've been born around 1935, so that means Jose Inez and his wife
would've married around the
Hi Arturo,My family is from Hacienda La Luz in Huanusco-Calvillo Area,you might know the place. Here's the deal. You have to check both registro civil and church because not everyone did both sets ofacts. Yes, Tabsco (Villa del Refugio) includes all of Huanusco and nearby towns.I have seen most of the films but never got any names from Guatimala.Try looking in Tabasco, Zac those church records are complete, I bet you'llfind him in those films.
Daniel Mendez Camino
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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:43:01 -0400
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
>
> Hello,
> I'm just beginning my research and starting off by finding out as much
> as I can about the Gonzalez's from Guatimala, Huanusco, Zacatecas.
> Guatimala is a small ranch town just west of Huanusco.
>
> I've looked through several rolls from the FHC and have found useful
> information, but am hoping for further information about what steps to
> take next.
> My
Susan Larsen
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My twin sister and I first began researching our family history four years ago. We have found a lot through Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.org. My Great Grandmother, Aurelia Haro Robles emigrated to The United States with her mother from Mexico March 26, 1929. She was born July 19, 1916 in Rancho La Nopalera, Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas.
Her parents were Jose Doroteo Haro, of Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas, and Maria Esther Robles of Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Not much is known of Maria’s parents, but I have traced Jose’s to the early 1800’s, each generation from is parents (Pedro Pascual Haro Haro and Agapita Banuelos Villarreal) on are born in Moyahua de Estrada, Zacatecas.
Greetings!
My name is Mercedes Gomez Villalobos and I am happy to be a new member to Nuestros Ranchos. I'm still learning how to navigate this website. I'm posting as much info as I've managed to research in the last 3 years. I need help if anyone out there knows about these wonderfully mysterious distant relatives. I often wonder where my family came from and from what countries we originated. I understand we have French and Spanish and Indigenous blood. My parents had 12 children we're all alive, including my 105 year old mother. Her mind is sharp and she has wonderful stories to tell us. My father had blue eyes and blond hair, my mother had brown eyes, hair. We're all different from very light hair and skin to medium olive skin and brown eyes.
My father Antonio Gomez Gonzalez b.1899 and mother Virginia Villalobos Aguilera B.1905 both in Canadas, Jalisco. My paternal grandparents: Francisco Gomez Martinez b.1869 , his parents: Nicolas Gomez and Gregoria Martinez.
I am researching this family. Cesilio was married to Mauricia (father: Leondro Munos=Rita Macias) on 12 May 1824 in Encarnacion de Diaz (La Encarnacion).
These two persons are my Maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married on 24 May 1744 in Aguascalientes (El Sagrario).
Antonio de Mata and Rosa de Santos Bustos married on 15 april 1695 in Aguascalientes.Antonio de Mata was a native of Lagos de Moreno hence why his parents are included,and Rosa's parents were Nicolas de Santos Bustos and Magdalena Chavez Fragoso.
Antonio also used the names Cuellar so Antonio de Mata y Cuellar-Rebollar? Each genealogisthas his way to put his name? Usually theres a fixed way but stuff with these extra names becausedifficult. I found two kids for Antonio besides your Eusevio: Cristobal Santiago baptized 9 August 1710Antonio used the names Antonio de la Mata for this kid and the mom used Rosa MariaBustos. The other kid was Josepha Cataliana baptized 23 jan 1696 Antonio used De Mata y Cuellar-Rebolloand Rosa used Rosa Maria de Bustos. I can send you a report for more details.
Daniel
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
>
> These two
Hi Paul, Eusevios full name was Eusevio de Mata y Rebollar son of Antonio de Mata y Rebollar and Rosa de Santos Bustosmarried to (her name was really Marina not Mariana) Rendon daughter ofBartolome Rendon and Maria Macias.
Daniel
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
>
> These two persons are my Maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married on 24 May 1744 in Aguascalientes (El Sagrario). To date I have discovered 4 children: Maria de San Joseph; Ana Maria; Francisco Fernando;and Joseph Miguel de la Encarnacion.
>
> Does anyone have any additional information abou this Family?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul Gomez
Yes, Daniel, I have a copy of the Marriage sacramental with this information. Has your research discovered any information regarding their parents?
Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:31:03
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
Hi Paul, Eusevios full name was Eusevio de Mata y Rebollar son of Antonio de Mata y Rebollar and Rosa de Santos Bustosmarried to (her name was really Marina not Mariana) Rendon daughter ofBartolome Rendon and Maria Macias.
Daniel
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
>
> These two persons are my Maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married on 24 May 1744 in Aguascalientes (El Sagrario). To date I have discovered 4 children: Maria de San Joseph; Ana Maria; Francisco
Sorry, Daniel! I did not see your subsequent e-mail until after I sent you
this one.
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Yes, Daniel, I have a copy of the Marriage sacramental with this
information. Has your research discovered any information regarding their
parents?
Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:31:03
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
Hi Paul, Eusevios full name was Eusevio de Mata y Rebollar son of Antonio de
Mata y Rebollar and Rosa de Santos Bustosmarried to (her name was really
Marina not Mariana) Rendon daughter ofBartolome Rendon and Maria Macias.
Daniel
>
Which parents are we talking about now? I traced Nicolas' wife's line back to the late 1500s.Magdalena Chavez Fragoso.
Daniel
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>
> Yes, Daniel, I have a copy of the Marriage sacramental with this information. Has your research discovered any information regarding their parents?
>
> Thank you.
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>
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> Hi Paul, Eusevios full name was Eusevio de Mata y Rebollar son of Antonio de Mata y Rebollar and Rosa de Santos Bustosmarried to (her name was really Marina not Mariana) Rendon daughter
Both - the Mata y Rebollar=Santos line, and the Rendon=Macias line (parents
of Rosa de Santos).
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Which parents are we talking about now? I traced Nicolas' wife's line back
to the late 1500s.Magdalena Chavez Fragoso.
Daniel
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> Yes, Daniel, I have a copy of the Marriage sacramental with this
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parents?
>
> Thank you.
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Hi Paul, attached is my research on your lines of the Mata-Macis Valadez,Rendon, Bustos and etc.
I hope this helps.
For antonio de Mata y Rebollar you need to look in the records for Lagos de Moreno, his prents arentmentioned in the marriage record, just says "natural de la Villa de Lagos"
Daniel
P.S. could you send the baptismal date for Jose Miguel de la Encarnacion, I found a total of 5 kids includinghim.
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> Both - the Mata y Rebollar=Santos line, and the Rendon=Macias line (parents
> of Rosa de Santos).
>
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Jose Miguel de la Encarnacion de Mata was Born 30 Mar 1754 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, (El Sagrario) Mexico. LDS FHL Intl Film No.
0299532 (1726-1814), Batch No. C604846.
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Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:46 PM
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EUSEBIO DE MATA = MARIANA RENDON
Hi Paul, attached is my research on your lines of the Mata-Macis
Valadez,Rendon, Bustos and etc.
I hope this helps.
For antonio de Mata y Rebollar you need to look in the records for Lagos de
Moreno, his prents arentmentioned in the marriage record, just says "natural
de la Villa de Lagos"
Daniel
P.S. could you send the baptismal date for Jose Miguel de la Encarnacion, I
found a total of 5 kids includinghim.
To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease
visit www.mormon.org
> From: paul.gomez
Has anyone done this family or know things about them, I descend from them in Los Altos.
Daniel Alejandro Mendez del Camino 1992
Jose Gabriel Mendez de Cortes 1956
Martin Mendez de Serrano 1917
Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Rosalia Chavez pueden ser los mismos que bautisaron a un hijo joseph maria de la luz en 23 mar 1771 en Michoacan
R.A.Ricci
Estos si son.
Daniel.
El nombre completo de la dama era Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez
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> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:11:37 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>
> Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Rosalia Chavez pueden ser los mismos que bautisaron a un hijo joseph maria de la luz en 23 mar 1771 en Michoacan
>
>
>
> R.A.Ricci
Hi
Copy and past my url to see the descendants and ancestors of
Jose Maria Casillas, Gonzales, de Hermosillo...
(aka Jose Gozales de Hermosillo)
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=FWRJ5&viewuid=FWRJ5
My source is Jose Alberto Casillas, Rick Rodriguez, who both are using actual birth certificates.
It was common and tradition in times to for women to use their grandmothers name instead of their husbands. Such as the case with de Hermosillo mixing with Gonzalez, becoming Gonzales de Hermosillo.
Jose Maria's real last name is Casillas. Very much like Panco Villa using a name de guerra....
GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO
Este apellido tiene por tronco al Capitán don Juan González de Hermosillo, natural del lugar de Hermosilla, cercano a la ciudad de Burgos, hijodalgo que tomó parte en la tercera expedición para la conquista de México, al mando de don Hernán Cortés.
Dicho Caballero nació a fines del siglo XV por lo que se deduce en su pase a Indias fue por 1515, donde dice tener veinte años "poco más o menos", siendo hijo legitimo de don Alonso de Hermosillo y de doña Catalina González. Antes de trasladarse a la Nueva España, aparece en Cuba por 1518, por lo que se supone que también participó en la conquista y colonización de esa isla.
Sus ascendientes figuran escritos y pintados en el "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos", al folio 18 del mismo, en la primera lista de Cofrades, en la que aparece Gonzalo González de Fermosa, de la "Cal de san Estevan"; en el folio 37 vuelto se halla miniado el mismo Caballero, a caballo, con el bofordo y sus armas, que
Hola Eddy, me encanta ver tu recuento, yo lo estoy armando para pasarlo a Ancestry.com y te lo haré llegar. Mucho inspirado y apoyado en tus investigaciones. Te agradezco infinito tu trabajo... me ha conectado de forma marqavillosa comn esa rama de mi familia. Yo provengo de mis bisabuelos Juan Ysidro Moreno Gòmez casado con Concepción Orozco, de la Unión de San Antonio, Jal.
En concreto este escrito me refiere a Jose María Gómez de Portugal Hermosillo, abuela de Juan Ysidro.
Un abrazo
Paco Herrera
eddy gutierrez hermosillo escribió:
GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO
Este apellido tiene por tronco al Capitán don Juan González de Hermosillo, natural del lugar de Hermosilla, cercano a la ciudad de Burgos, hijodalgo que tomó parte en la tercera expedición para la conquista de México, al mando de don Hernán Cortés.
Dicho Caballero nació a fines del siglo XV por lo que se deduce en su pase a Indias fue por 1515, donde dice tener veinte años "poco más o menos", siendo hijo legitimo de
Blas hernadez-Gamino Gomez de Espejo was married to Luisa Dominguez on 19/jul/1654 in Aguascalientes
See the Ana Dominguez de Inojos for added information on the ancestry
R.A.Ricci
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
There is controversy and some doubt to the origins of Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Different authors place his birthplace in different areas of Los Altos de Jalisco. Places like: Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan and Zapotlan El Grande (Ciudad Guzman). One source: Cronologia Historica de Teocaltiche by author Samuel Contreras Sanchez, on page # 76, quotes from the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Book # 29, dated 1792 : "Hermosillo es originario de Zapotlan El Grande, obispado de Valladolid y residente de Loreto desde hace 12 anos. Hijo legitimo de Andres de Hermosillo y Dona Rosalia de Chavez y Romero. Comunidad de Mexticacan a cinco minutos de Ostotan."
Nacio 2 Febero 1774 en Zapotlan El Grande. Radico 12 anos en Rancho de Loreto. Se caso a los 19 anos en Mexticacan el primero de Abril de 1792 con Maria Guadalupe Jimenez Y Aure, de 17 anos de edad.
In Cronologia Historica de Teocaltiche, the author states that the page in the Registro Civil for
por Gilberto Escobosa Gámez
De su libro titulado “HERMOSILLO EN MI MEMORIA”
Inquieta a muchos estudiantes el saber por qué le pusieron el nombre que tiene actualmente esta ciudad, habiéndosele suprimido el de Villa del Pitic; y más, sabiendo que José María González Hermosillo no llegó a la tierra sonorense en su campaña contra el Imperio Español, sino solamente a Sinaloa. Por eso es frecuente enfrentar la pregunta: ¿ Por qué, en vez de perpetuar la memoria de ese caudillo insurgente con el nombre de una ciudad sinaloense, se hizo con una sonorense?
¡Es acertada la pregunta!
El 5 de septiembre de 1828 el H. Congreso del Estado de Occidente decretó el cambio de Villa del Pitic al de Ciudad de Hermosillo, para honrar la memoria de González Hermosillo. Por tanto, debemos considerar que Sonora y Sinaloa constituían todavía un solo Estado, ya que Sonora como entidad federativa quedó instalada el 13 de marzo de 1831.
Si el deseo de perpetuar la memoria del insurgente hubiese tenido vigencia
Gracias por compartir esta información muy interesante sobre el General
Insurgente, Jose Maria González de Hermosillo.
John Gonzalez ( Hace tres generaciones: "González de Hermosillo" de
Jalostotitlán.)
Wildomar, CA
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de
Hermosillo
por Gilberto Escobosa Gámez
De su libro titulado “HERMOSILLO EN MI MEMORIA”
Inquieta a muchos estudiantes el saber por qué le pusieron el nombre que
tiene actualmente esta ciudad...
Hola Eddy ,como esta ? dispensa la molestia,tengo un Diego Gonzalez de
Hermosillo casado con Maria Rubio padres de Francisco Gutierrez Rubio y Ana
Gonzalez Florida. Que es el parientesco de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo ?
gracias
Ronnie Reynoso
>From: eddy gutierrez hermosillo
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>To:
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzales de HErmosillo
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:40:36 -0500
>
>
>GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO
>
>
>Este apellido tiene por tronco al Capitán don Juan González de Hermosillo,
>natural del lugar de Hermosilla, cercano a la ciudad de Burgos, hijodalgo
>que tomó parte en la tercera expedición para la conquista de México, al
>mando de don Hernán Cortés.
>
>Dicho Caballero nació a fines del siglo XV por lo que se deduce en su pase
>a Indias fue por 1515, donde dice tener veinte años "poco más o menos",
>siendo hijo legitimo de don Alonso de Hermosillo y de doña Catalina
>González. Antes de trasladarse a la Nueva España, aparece en Cuba
hola disculpa por contestarte con otra pregunta ¿de donde has sacado que "Diego" se apellidaba Gonzalez de Hermosillo?
saludos; pariente, tus parientes Reynosos de donde son?, tu donde vives ? te pregunto esto porque mi madre es Hermosillo Reynoso
Atte: Eddy Gtz. H.> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:01:45 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzales de HErmosillo> > Hola Eddy ,como esta ? dispensa la molestia,tengo un Diego Gonzalez de > Hermosillo casado con Maria Rubio padres de Francisco Gutierrez Rubio y Ana > Gonzalez Florida. Que es el parientesco de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo ?> gracias> Ronnie Reynoso> > > >From: eddy gutierrez hermosillo > >Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> >To: > >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzales de HErmosillo> >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:40:36 -0500> >> >> >GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO> >> >> >Este apellido tiene por tronco al Capitán don Juan González de Hermosillo, > >natural del lugar de
Hola Eddie,como esta ? Ojala que bien ,perdoname la tardanza de este mensaje y pregunta.Se me esta yendo la mente ,no me acuerdo si me presente. Perdon. Todos mis 4 abuelos eran de la area de San Julian. Mi abuelo se llamaba Antonio Hermosillo ,el nacio en el rancho de San Rafael que partenece a San Julian. Le investigue la rama Hermosillo y termine con un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla, hija de Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo y Josefa Padilla Davila. Maria Inez nacio el 5 de mayo 1726 San Juan de Los Lagos. Me magino se casaron como 1755 y chansa en San Juan de Los Lagos . Todos los hijos nacieron halla. Has visto esta pareja en tus viajes de investigacion ?
Gracias por su tiempo
Ronnie Reynoso> From: gutiherre@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:40:36 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzales de HErmosillo> > > GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO > > > Este apellido tiene por tronco al Capitán don Juan González de
Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
Eddy Gutiérrez Hermosillo, te felicito por la excelente recopilación de datos históricos con relación al importante héroe nacional José María González Hermosillo.
Sin embargo, quiero comentar que durante largo tiempo los pueblos y ciudades de los Altos de Jalisco han peleado el honor de haber sido cuna de este ilustre hombre.
Tú escribes lo siguiente: "Nació en Tepatitlán el 22 de julio de 1779, siendo hijo legítimo de don Juan González de Hermosillo y de doña María de Robledo, y fue casado con doña Ana de Jáuregui, originaria de Mexticatán, en la que tuvo diferentes hijos, dos de los cuales murieron junto a su padre el 11 de junio de 1818 en combate librado cerca de Nochistlán, Zacatecas contra las fuerzas realistas. Así 1o asegura José Alberto Casillas en su "Bosquejo histórico y personajes de, Tepatitlán", 1977, quién indica que el referido fue ascendido a Brigadier por el Padre de la Patria. "
No es correcto que nació en Tepatitlán en 1779, ni tampoco
Hello members of Nuestros Ranchos,I am fairly new to Nuestros Ranchos and love the whole idea of geneology research .
Hola a todos..
los padres de Juan Evangelista Contreras (mi tan buscado Bisabuelo) ingeniero de minas casado con Herminia Aurora Arias Spinola en Pachuca..fueron Agustin Contreras casado con Fernan
Gracias a nuestros hermanos mormones y a su esfuerzo con el nuevo beta vi que habia diferencias entre éste y el pilot.. así que me puse a ver a cada uno de los hijos de mis abuelos y voilá...
Do any of you have any indigenous ancestry? My grandfather on my mom's side is from the Huichole Indians in the Huejuquilla, Jalisco area.
Here is a website of the indigenous Huicholes:
Hi - I'm sure many of us do. On my mom's side from Ayo El Chico, and Aguascalientes I did find some parish records where "Indio" and "mulatto" were used to describe several of my ancestors as I went further back in time. One ancestor was described as 'mulatto libre'.
I understand that there is information out there which maps DNA to tribes in Mexico but I haven't had time to look that information up. I hope to do some more research on that because I can use it in my future studies at school (CSULB).
Yolanda
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huichole Ancestry
Do any of you have any indigenous ancestry? My grandfather on my mom's side is from the Huichole Indians in the Huejuquilla, Jalisco area.
Here is a website of the indigenous Huicholes:
Hello,
Arturo Gonzalez..visitando tu gedcom y averiguando un poco encontre esto: espero te sirva para continuar con tu arbol en los mensajes pasados viene mas info sobre los films pues en el de los hijos de Felix y refugio puedes encontrar a los padres de Felix.. te sugiero ya teniendo esta info veas los originales.. Lety R
Felix Ventura y Maria Refugio Palacio ella hija de Andres Palacio e Ysabel Esparza.. Andres Palacio hijo de Fermin Palacio y Maria Juana Vallin Juana Vallin hija de Guadalupe Vallin y JUana Carrillo..
Ysabel esparza hija de Antonio Esparza y Antonia garcia Antonio Estarza hijo de Jose Maria Esparza y Juana Villanueva.. Antonia Garcia hija de Alejandro Garcia y JUana Rovalcaba... Jose Maria esparza es hijo de Damasio Esparza y Maria Gonzalez..Juana Maria Villanueva es hija de Juan Manuel villanueva e Ysabel gonzalez
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Name
José Ramon Urbano De Guadalupe Esparsa
Gender
Male
Name
Balentina Ventura Palacio
Gender
Female
Christening date
19 Feb 1860
Christening place
NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name
Felix Ventura
Mother name
Refugio Palacio
Maternal grandfather name
Andres
Maternal grandmother name
Ysabel Esparza
Batch number
C60710-6
Record group
Mexico-ODM
Film number
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Name
Mauricia Bentura Palacio
Gender
Female
Christening date
28 Sep 1856
Christening place
NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name
Felix Bentura
Mother name
Refugio Palacio
Maternal grandfather name
Andres
Maternal grandmother name
Ysabel Esparza
Batch number
C60710-5
Record group
Mexico-ODM
Film number
638756
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Groom's Name: Andres Palacio
Groom's Birth Date: 1821
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 18
Bride's Name: Maria Ysabel Esparza
Bride's Birth Date: 1821
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 18
Marriage Date: 09 Feb 1839
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Fermin Palacio
Groom's Mother's Name: Maria Juana Vallin
Bride's Father's Name: Antonio Esparza
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Antonia Garcia
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60626-1
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number: 226730
Reference Number:
Collection: Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
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Hotmail: as HOT as always
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Name
Tiburcia Palacio Ballin
Gender
Female
Christening date
21 Apr 1833
Christening place
NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name
Fermin Palacio
Mother name
Juana Ballin
Maternal grandfather name
Guadalupe Ballin
Maternal grandmother name
Juliana Carrillo
Batch number
C60709-7
Record group
Mexico-ODM
Film number
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Name
Ma. Esifora Palacio Ballin
Gender
Female
Christening date
13 Sep 1829
Christening place
NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name
Fermin Palacio
Mother name
Juana Ballin
Batch number
C60709-6
Record group
Mexico-ODM
Film number
634033
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Fermin Palacio
spouse:
MARIA JUANA VALLIN
record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
groom name:
Andres Palacio
groom birth date:
1821
groom age in years
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Name
Yzavel Esparza Garcia
Gender
Female
Christening date
12 Jul 1820
Christening place
LA SANTISIMA TRINIDAD,VILLA HIDALGO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name
Antonio Esparza
Mother name
Antonia Garcia
Batch number
K61116-1
Record group
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Film number
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Name
Jose Ma. Estanislao Esparza Garcia
Gender
Male
Christening date
18 Nov 1840
Christening place
La Santisima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico
Father
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Name
Jose Ma. Gonzalez Duran
Gender
Male
Christening date
11 Jul 1864
Christening place
SANTA MARIA MECATABASCO,VILLA DEL REFUGIO,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father name
Lucas Gonzalez
Mother name
Rufa. Duran
Batch number
C60539-1
Record group
Mexico-ODM
Film number
1094628
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HOLA A TODOS LOS COMPAÑEROS DEL FORO ME GUSTARIA SABER EL NOMBRE DE LOS PADERES DE ESTOS DOS ANCESTROS MIOS QUE CASARON EN TEPATITLAN 12 DE MAYO DE 1729, MIL GRACIAS DE ANTEMANO
Se llaman Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Josepha de Ochoa Garibayy Clemente de la Torre Ledesma y Catalina Franco de la Cueva.
Daniel
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:06:12 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MIGUEL GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO Y MARGARITA DE LA TORRE
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> HOLA A TODOS LOS COMPAÑEROS DEL FORO ME GUSTARIA SABER EL NOMBRE DE LOS PADERES DE ESTOS DOS ANCESTROS MIOS QUE CASARON EN TEPATITLAN 12 DE MAYO DE 1729, MIL GRACIAS DE ANTEMANO
I am doing research in Aguascalientes. One my maternal ancestors,Joseph Andres Alonso, was born 30 November 1771, and baptized on 15 Dec 1771 in Estanzuela.
It sounds like San Miguel de los alba, Purificacion?
You send me the record I glad to help.
mendezdelcamino@live.com
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> From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:56:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Éstanzuela
>
> I am doing research in Aguascalientes. One my maternal ancestors,Joseph Andres Alonso, was born 30 November 1771, and baptized on 15 Dec 1771 in Estanzuela. I am having difficulty transcribing the name of the church from his sacramental record. Is the name of the church, "Sr. San Miguel de los Altas (?)" Purifdiccion" (?Y de la Villa de Aguas Calientes.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
I THINK IT IS SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO THERE IS AND HAS BEEN FOR LONG LONG TIME A PLACE CALL ESTANZUELA I HAVE MANY RELATIVES FROM THERE IT IS IN THE NORTHERN PART IN THE BORDER LINE BETWEEN SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO AND SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS .
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
Hello luis
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From: Luis Gonzalez
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:37:06
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Éstanzuela
I THINK IT IS SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO THERE IS AND HAS BEEN FOR LONG LONG TIME A PLACE CALL ESTANZUELA I HAVE MANY RELATIVES FROM THERE IT IS IN THE NORTHERN PART IN THE BORDER LINE BETWEEN SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO AND SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS .
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
Hello luis Miguel
Are you related to pablo lomeli jimenez of san miguel el alto? He died a few years ago. He is my wife's Grandfather.
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From: Luis Gonzalez
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:37:06
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Éstanzuela
I THINK IT IS SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO THERE IS AND HAS BEEN FOR LONG LONG TIME A PLACE CALL ESTANZUELA I HAVE MANY RELATIVES FROM THERE IT IS IN THE NORTHERN PART IN THE BORDER LINE BETWEEN SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO AND SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS .
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
Yo creo que se trata del Puesto de San Miguel "de los Albas" , "Jurisdiccion" de la Villa de Aguascalientes. Se lo conocio como "El puesto de san Miguel" "San Miguel de los Alba"" "San Miguelito" està ubicado a unos 30 kilometros al sur de la ciudad de Aguascalientes, y hoy en dia pertenece al municipio de Encarnacion de Diaz. Antes de 1778 los registros de acramentos se encuentran en Aguascalientes, despues de 1778 en Encarnacion de Diaz.
Cerca de este San Miguel existe un lugar llamado La Estanzuela.
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I think it is the rank of San Miguel "of the Albas", "jurisdiction" of the town of Aguascalientes. He was known as "El puesto de San Miguel", "San Miguel de los Alba" y " San Miguelito ". Is located about 30 km south of the city of Aguascalientes, and today the municipality of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. Before 1778 sacrament records are in Aguascalientes, after 1778 in Encarnacion de Diaz.
Near
Gracias, Sr. Miguel, por la informacion para poder caminar en mi estudio.
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:04:26
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "San Miguel de de los Alba" Jurisdiccion de Aguas
Calientes"
Yo creo que se trata del Puesto de San Miguel "de los Albas" , "Jurisdiccion" de la Villa de Aguascalientes. Se lo conocio como "El puesto de san Miguel" "San Miguel de los Alba"" "San Miguelito" està ubicado a unos 30 kilometros al sur de la ciudad de Aguascalientes, y hoy en dia pertenece al municipio de Encarnacion de Diaz. Antes de 1778 los registros de acramentos se encuentran en Aguascalientes, despues de 1778 en Encarnacion de Diaz.
Cerca de este San Miguel existe un lugar llamado La Estanzuela.
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I think it is the rank of San Miguel "of the Albas", "jurisdiction" of the town of Aguascalientes
Que sabes de lorenzo alvarez y agustina veira? Yo no he podido juntar informacion sobre esta pareja. Yo desiendo de ellos por lo Alvarez Tostado
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:23:02
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Carrillo de Teocaltiche,
Jalisco (actualizado)
7a. Generacion,Jose Ramon Carrillo de Sandi Rodriguez que nacio en Teocaltiche, Jalisco y se caso el 06 de septiembre de 1780 en el mismo lugar con Barbara Josepha Ortiz. hl de Juan Joseph Ortiz Herrera o Barrera y de Ysidra Lugarda Rodriguez de Amaya.
8a. Generacion, Salvador Manuel Carrillo Enriquez , nacio en Teocaltiche y se caso el 20 de febrero de 1737 en Nochistlan, Zacatecas con Ana de Jesus Rodriguez de Amaya fue bautizada el 24 de enero de 1717 en el mismo lugar. hl de Marcos Rodriguez de Amaya y Juana Lopez de Elizalde.
9a. Generacion, Joseph Ygnacio Carrillo de Sandi de las Roelas , Nacio aprox, 1659 en
I was wondering if any of you have ever found out the name of the ship or galleon that your ancestor traveled on from Europe to Colonial Mexico?
3era.Generacion, Profesor en medicina. Francisco Antonio Carrillo Quiroz , nacio el 11 de diciembre de 1886 en Gral.
3era.Generacion, , nacio el 11 de diciembre de 1886 en
Gral. Cepeda, Coahuila y murio el 24 de marzo de 1957 en Monterrey, N.L;se caso el 26 de
Jose,
Creo que lo conoci en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila el año 2008. No intercambiamos informacion porque no me imagine que tuviera ancestros con raices en Nochistlan Zacatecas.
Mi esposo es Juan Carrillo Olmos, Jauregui, Avelar, nacido en Nochistlan Zacatecas. Sus ancestros hasta donde se sabe hoy, con raices muy arraigadas en Nochistlan Zacatecas, de El Rancho, El Monte De los Duranes desde 1797.
Gracias por compartir su arbol y quizas algun dia se conecten usted y my esposo.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
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Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:30:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Carrillo de Teocaltiche, Jalisco
3era.Generacion, , nacio el 11 de diciembre de 1886 en
Gral. Cepeda, Coahuila y murio el 24 de marzo de 1957 en Monterrey, N.L;se caso el 26 de
noviembre de 1908 en Monterrey,N.L. con Maria Consuelo Lozano que nacio el 22 de octubre
de 1887 en Cadereita Jimenez, N.L. hl de
Los Carrillo de Teocaltiche y la meseta y Aguascalientes son los Carrillo de Sandi
To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
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> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Carrillo de Teocaltiche, Jalisco
>
> Jose,
>
> Creo que lo conoci en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila el año 2008. No intercambiamos informacion porque no me imagine que tuviera ancestros con raices en Nochistlan Zacatecas.
>
> Mi esposo es Juan Carrillo Olmos, Jauregui, Avelar, nacido en Nochistlan Zacatecas. Sus ancestros hasta donde se sabe hoy, con raices muy arraigadas en Nochistlan Zacatecas, de El Rancho, El Monte De los Duranes desde 1797.
>
> Gracias por compartir su arbol y quizas algun dia se conecten usted y my esposo.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
>
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I was wondering if any of you have kept records of the eye color of your ancestors and relatives? Because it may help in being able to determine what the eye color of future offspring would be.
Both of my dad's parents had brown eyes and my dad almost all his many siblings had bright blue eyes. Only 2 of the dozen or so had brown eyes. I had blue eyes until I was 3 then they changed to hazel.
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I was wondering if any of you have kept records of the eye color of your ancestors and relatives? Because it may help in being able to determine what the eye color of future offspring would be.
My family is from the Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico area.
I was told about the mysterious light recently by some friends from
Zacatecas. They said it was from buried gold that people would try to hide.
I have no idea if it has scientific vailidity. They also told me about a
laborer who was working on someone's house who found a cache of gold inside
a wall that the owner didn't even know existed. The laborer would sneak gold
out a little at a time until it was all out. Supposedly the laborer managed
his money, from the gold, well but went crazy from the gas the gold would
release. Again, I have no idea if there is any validity to it to the gas.
Armando
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:21 AM, wrote:
> My family is from the Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico area.
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> From the locals, I have often heard about mysterious flares of light that
>> just suddenly appear out of the gound at night in the country side.
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> What could they really be? Signs of natural gas deposts in the ground or
> oil?
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> And another folklore by the locals is the saying that
I have done some further research on the website and found the following:
1.
In my research, Toribio is usually a middle name. Try different first names as sons of the juans and see if one comes up with the middle name Toribio. This still does not confirm that he is the same person but then you check out all info on this Toribio to find clues as to whether this is the same person. This is a lot of work but I have had some success, along with more failures, but the successes have been worth it.
I have disproved some genealogies in widely quoted books and found Proof of the real genealogies by doing this.
Again, It is a lot of work so try traditional methods first.
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From: KEN TEJEDA
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:10:49
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Tejeda - Genealogy 1840's - Teocaltiche
I have done some further research on the website and found the following:
1. Jose Juan Tejeda Munos - born on Feb 02, 1845 - Father is Narsiso Tejeda and mother is Brigida Munos - born in
I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region. And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:
I actually read about such events a month ago, but only now have the time to post up what I have read about.
It seems that, Apache raids were a common occurance around the time of Mexico's war for independence. This is because the Comanche's, since the 18th century had been gradually pushing the Apache's out of their own lands. With the presidial troops few in number, it was a common occurance for Apache and other Native Americans from the southwest to push into southern Chihuahua and into Durango. I forget when, but I think it was in the 1840's when bands of Native Americans reached as far south as the city of Zacatecas. What stopped these raids, at least temporarily, was the Mexican-American war when the Apache's and other tribes were reluctant to fight the American army for one reason or another.
The raids resumed again once the war ended, so it is possible that in the 1850's, Apache and other tribes pushed back into Zacatecas.
My family was from the district of Jerez and in a recording made by my grandfathers sister she mentions that her grandparents Juan Jose Castanon and Zeferina Mejia were killed by Indians in Recodo, district of Jerez. This occured between 1850 and 1860 so apparently there were still Indian uprisings in the area during that time period. No mention was made of what tribe or band the Indians were.
thanks for sharing your story.
Linda Castanon-Long
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?
I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region. And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:
http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html
It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico, Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of
I have as a possible a Maria Margarita De la Torre y Ledesma baptized 4APR1713 in Tepa DAughter of Clemente de la torre and Catalina FrAnco de la cueva.
Me gustaria saber si me podrian ayudar con los datos de una persona que esta en el IGI.
--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Alice Blake wrote:
From: Alice Blake
Subject: Teaching Moment
To: research@Nuestrosranchos.com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:29
With all this discussion of our European ancestry. How did all of you claiming European ancestry find documentation verifying it? I'd appreciate it if you've researched your family in Spain, France, etc. that you share how you did it. I've posted this request twice before and received no response. My Santelices line ends with a 1793 Queretero marriage entry stating that the groom Juan Fermin Santelices is from Santander, Castilla. I can't believe that I'm the only one in our group in this situation. Please see previous entry. Thanks in advance for your help. Alice
-- On Thu, 4/15/10, Alice Blake wrote:
From: Alice Blake
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Help
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 1:27 AM
--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Alice Blake wrote:
From: Alice Blake
Subject: Teaching Moment
To: research@Nuestrosranchos.com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:29 PM
Dear Group,
I've come across two new situations that have
Alice:
The first step is to find the passenger record for the ancestor from Spain. It is somewhat tricky especially because spellings in that era were so unstandardized and people changed the use of their names so much. Furthermore, many people came as servants of others and their license to go to the Indies was merely an appendage to someone else's license providing very little information.
Then of course there are many who came with no license... probably debtors, Jews, etc. who were escaping Spain to the New World illegally. There is likely no record for them.
Anyhow, search the PARES database (you can use the link on the Nuestros Ranchos site) and try to look for your ancestor. I have found this Santelices which matches the time period and place but not the exact name:
Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16404.42.3.293//CONTRATACION,5499,N.92
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ DE HENESTROSA
Fecha Formación:
1756-12-23
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental
Hello All, just a few thoughts on all of this, First of all , historically speaking, most of the ancient authors related the original inhabitants of Iberia (Spain) to the Berbers of North Africa. They spoke of the similarities in regards to temperment, tribal structure and physical appearence. The origin of the ancient Spaniard was rooted in North Africa, there are regions of Spain that are perceived as "Celtic" that have a high amount of the Berber marker M81,most notably in Galicia and Cantabria. When genetic researchers dated these samples the time frame predates the Moorish occupation. The Pasiegos of Cantabria are the most well known examle of this.
Secondly, Berbers are not predominately dark skinned, no darker than Spaniards in fact. There is a high frequency of red hair, especially among tribes like the Kabyle and Riffians, the "western European" Y DNA marker R1b is also not unknown among the Berber poupulations....I don't like to reference Wikipedia but opposed to referring
Robert,
It seems you have combined the statements of different people and grouped them as they had been made by a single person. Can you elaborate on which exact statement you are referring to? Then we can discuss what was meant and what information that statement was based on. I don't see where anyone said "most of the people of Los Altos are descended from "Celts" or "Basques are" not "overwhelmingly R1b" I also don't see where anyone is trying "to "prove" an agenda" and "propogate lies and the idea that one group is somehow superior to the other." It seems you have done some word twisting of other people.
On the subject of Wikipedia - yes there can be information that is incorrect but I haven't found anything a book disagrees with. The wiki pages do cite references just as any book does. There are probably more books out there with factually incorrect info than Wiki.
Armando
Hi 'Mando,
My apologies, this is sort of an on going disscussion that gets resurrected once in a while, I didn't want to direct my comments to anyone directly because it usually turns into an argument, and that is a complete waste of time.
Reading through the previous posts people mention the Berbers and Celts,DNA and physical appearence, which are old subject matter here, so I guess I was on "auto pilot" with my post. As I said it's just my two cents, I'm sure many folks here have heard it before.
The short of it is that I believe some of the things that are posted here in regards to genetic research and ancestry are misleading or, flat out wrong. My worry is that old stereotypes and myths are perpertuated and then reintroduced to people as fact.
All of this subject matter is complicated,and I am the first to admit that I don't have all the answers. My hope would be that people truly do some hard research and come to their conclusions not because they satisfy their ego but or a
My research has included verifying many of the statements that you just made. I have found lines that extend into north Africa.
We altenos descend from multiple lines of moors. Again I know that it is only a relatively small part of the genetic pool but it is an area of research like the jewish lines that I find a challenge.
When I was a kid I was confused by what I thought of as a funny looking catholic cross. It wasn't until a couple of years That while researching one of our moor lines did I find out the history and significance of that cross and how we altenos descend from a person (a moor that converted) that was involved in this story. I now look at the cross with affection. It is also through this line that I found out that we descend through the last wave of moors that were intolerant and brought war to the iberian peninsula.
Again, I am not saying we descend mainly from Moors and jews. We descend mainly from the basques and germanic tribes that intermixed with the
Also, the European "look" in Mexico was not centered in Jalisco. I have in my lines people in Juarez and Zacatecas who I have traced back in those places to the early 1700s and in Zacatecas to the 1500s. Their descendants in the late 1800s and early 1900s were thought to be German, Russian and even Irish due to their ruddy complexions. blue eyes, and red or blonde hair. Some I know for sure were of Basque descent, such as my father's Olague in Zacatecas. The others in Juarez had surnames such as Puertas and Trujillo.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:18:23 +0000
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>
> My research has included verifying many of the statements that you just made. I have found lines that extend into north Africa.
> We altenos descend from multiple lines of moors. Again I know that it is only a relatively small part of the genetic pool but it is an area of
I agree. My maternal grandmother was a "Lizarrga", which according to a reference librarian that I meant in the Archivo General de Indias in Seville, is a common Basque name. My grandmother was born, as well as her parents, in Ixtlan del Rio, Nayarit. By the way, Nayarit by definition is considered part of Nueva Galicia, along with Aguascalientes, Colima, Jalisco, and Zacatecas.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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From: Emilie Garcia
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:08:58
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Also, the European "look" in Mexico was not centered in Jalisco. I have in my lines people in Juarez and Zacatecas who I have traced back in those places to the early 1700s and in Zacatecas to the 1500s. Their descendants in the late 1800s and early 1900s were thought to be German, Russian and even Irish due to their ruddy complexions. blue eyes, and red or blonde hair. Some I know for sure were of
I have a friend with the name Lazarraga, his family is from La Barca insouthern Los Altos, he said the name isnt too common in Los Altos,obviously related to other Lizarragas
Daniel
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>
> I agree. My maternal grandmother was a "Lizarrga", which according to a reference librarian that I meant in the Archivo General de Indias in Seville, is a common Basque name. My grandmother was born, as well as her parents, in Ixtlan del Rio, Nayarit. By the way, Nayarit by definition is considered part of Nueva Galicia, along with Aguascalientes, Colima, Jalisco, and Zacatecas.
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> Paul Gomez
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>
> Also, the European "look" in
Hello Paul and Daniel,
Technically Lizarraga and Lazarraga are two different surnames. But as we
know spellings can change and at times there are errors.
LIZAR, Lizarra = Estella. El fresno. Aga = Lugar LIZARRAGA =
Lissarrague = Lugar de fresnos.
LAZA = Suelto, anchuroso. LAZAGA = Lugar anchuroso. LAZARRAGA = Lugar
tranquilo.
http://usuarios.multimania.es/Javier_Alonso/apellidos%20vascos/Eusko-Ab…
Hello Emilie,
I agree that güeros aren't only in Jalisco and nobody insinuated it.
However, a lot of people think that Jalisco has the most. That may be true
especially since Jalisco is the 4th most populous state in Mexico and
Guadalajara is the 2nd most populous city in Mexico
http://cuentame.inegi.gob.mx/monografias/informacion/jal/poblacion/defa…
Since I had looked up Lizarraga I also looked up Olague for you - OLA =
Ferrería, fábrica, cabaña. OLAGÜE = Sitio de la ferrería. Also listed
is OLAGÜE
= parte alta del campo de avenas
IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download | Print
MARIA GERTRUDIS ZAMARRIPA VILLAGRANA
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
23 NOV 1867
San Cosme, Villa De Cos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
FRANCISCO ZAMARRIPA
Family
Mother:
ALVINA VILLAGRANA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C601187
1866 - 1870
1095158
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx
Anastasio Zamarripa Villagrana se bautiza el 6 mayo 1860 San Cosme, Villa de Cos, Zacatecas
batch C028485 film 1095157
_________________________________________________________________
Enciende tu hotness con Hotmail
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx
I disagreed with your phrasing of genetic uncles and aunts. People may not understand that you actually mean grandparents (ancestors) thaT are nor stricTly male line or strictlY female line. There is much confusion about DNA that needs clarification as you can see from many of these posts.
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From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:35:54
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] European Ancestry
Hello All, just a few thoughts on all of this, First of all , historically speaking, most of the ancient authors related the original inhabitants of Iberia (Spain) to the Berbers of North Africa. They spoke of the similarities in regards to temperment, tribal structure and physical appearence. The origin of the ancient Spaniard was rooted in North Africa, there are regions of Spain that are perceived as "Celtic" that have a high amount of the Berber marker M81,most notably in Galicia and Cantabria. When genetic
Hello Arturo,
Thanks for your response.
In my original and later postings I mentioned that I researched PARES and had located Juan Santelices that fit the time frame and location--Santander, but I don't know how to continue with verification as to whether I'm dealing with the correct person. I've got my Juan Santelices' parents--Tomas Santelices and Antonia Ybanes from his 1793 marriage in Queretero, but I don't know where to go to in PARES or elsewhere to verify if I'm dealing with the right person in Spain. Are baptismal or other documents accessable on PARES? Also, where did you get the passenger lists? I could not find the "Pasajeros a las Indias" from that website, I'm sure it's called something else that I missed. Thanks again, and I welcome any and all help from those that have researched and verified ancestors in Spain. Alice
--- On Thu, 4/22/10, arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:
From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] European
Hello Alice, Did you look Información matrimonial already? (marriage information films?) Just trying to help, good luck
Sincerely, Leticia Leon
________________________________
Sorry it took so long for a response; I was out of the country for over two weeks. Thanks for the informacion matrimontal suggestion. I've heard that many people have had success, but I've never tried informacion matrimontal because I thought you needed alot of specific information to begin with. How do you utilize this resource? Is it found through the Pilot program?
Also, I didn't really hear from anyone about how they've successfully researched ancestry in Spain out side of what is found online through Familysearch. I don't know how to verify names I find in PARES. Do you have to contact specific churches for this? I would definitely try, aun que mi Espanol escrito es terible!!! Again, I would appreciate it if anyone that has researched and verified ancestors in Spain, share their methodology.
Thank you again for your consideration and suggestions. Alice
Thank you ag
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Leticia Leon wrote:
From: Leticia Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros
Hello Alice,
I was able to find my ancestors through a Yahoo geneaology group and posting an entry. I was emailed by someone telling me we were from the same line and he provided me with my ancestors names and other info.
I posted a link to one of them you can use before - http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/gencantabria/ but you can also use http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/gen-burgos/ and http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/genealhispana/ I have searched those sites for Santelices posts and I haven't found any so you will need to post entries yourself.
You can also pay for a service to provide you with all the census info for Santander (Cantabria) at http://www.apellidosdecantabria.com/index.php
Here is some info on the surname found at http://www.linajes.net/esq22.php?nombre=Santelices&submit=Buscar
Linaje de origen Vasco, del lugar de su nombre en la Encartaciones, provincia de Vizcaya. Tuvo una casa solar en San Julian de Musques, ya nombrada en la fogueracion de 1704.
Rodrigo de
Good Morning Armando,
Thanks for responding and the resources. I will definitely try them. Were you able to connect, and verify that they were indeed your direct ancestors like we do using the Family History birth, marriage, and/or death entries? Thanks again for the information--any little bit helps and could be parts of the bigger puzzle that is our genealogy. Alice
--- On Tue, 5/18/10, fandemma@gmail.com wrote:
From: fandemma@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] European ancestry
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 11:40 AM
Hello Alice,
I was able to find my ancestors through a Yahoo geneaology group and posting an entry. I was emailed by someone telling me we were from the same line and he provided me with my ancestors names and other info. I posted a link to one of them you can use before - http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/gencantabria/ but you can also use http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/gen-burgos/ and http://es.groups
I was able to find entries with enough detailed info to be sure it was them
but only because the Basque government has sponsored a site that has the
sacramental registers of their territories and also because an uncle had a
copy of my bisabuelo's baptismal record that I didn't know he had until I
told him I found more ancestral info and also because my tatarabuelo had his
geneaology registered in Bilbao. I know that doesn't help you unless you are
able to tie yourself to the Santelices of Vizcaya, but one thing can lead to
another starting with info acquired from the websites I provided. If you pay
for the services of the census info and find a household with names matching
those of Tomás de Santelices, Antonia Ybanes (Ibañez) and Juan Fermín
Santelices around 1775 or earlier then you can almost be positive that it is
them. The names aren't as common as other names. Also once you get a reply
from someone in a group they may even have copies of what you need.
2010/5/18 Alice Blake
>
In your research have you encountered "Lizarraga"? I was informed by a reference librarian of the Archivos de Indias in Seville that this name is a common Basqe name. My paternal abuela and abuelos 6x in my "Lizarraga" line, lived in a region of Nueva Galacia, that is now the modern state of Nayarit, Mexico .
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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From: Armando
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:09:19
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] European ancestry
I was able to find entries with enough detailed info to be sure it was them
but only because the Basque government has sponsored a site that has the
sacramental registers of their territories and also because an uncle had a
copy of my bisabuelo's baptismal record that I didn't know he had until I
told him I found more ancestral info and also because my tatarabuelo had his
geneaology registered in Bilbao. I know that doesn't help you unless you are
able to tie yourself to the
Hello Paul,
We've communicated on the subject before. I think that was before I had to
change my email address for Nuestros Ranchos due to formatting errors with
my other email. I've also posted something I have found since but Nuestros
Ranchos didn't distribute the email.
Technically Lizarraga and Lazarraga are two different surnames. But as we
know spellings can change and at times there are errors.
LIZAR, Lizarra = Estella. El fresno. Aga = Lugar LIZARRAGA =
Lissarrague = Lugar de fresnos.
LAZA = Suelto, anchuroso. LAZAGA = Lugar anchuroso. LAZARRAGA = Lugar
tranquilo.
http://usuarios.multimania.es/Javier_Alonso/apellidos%20vascos/Eusko-Ab…
Here is some more I just found
http://www.linajes.net/esq22.php?nombre=Lizarraga&submit=Buscar
*Linaje de origen Navarra, de algunos de los dos lugares con ese nombre:
Lizarraga-Ergoiena y Lizarraga-Izagaondoa, de donde habría tomado su nombre.
Tuvo un palacio de Cabo de Armería en una de estas localidades y otro en
Izurzu
For some reason my responses through email make it to the website but aren't distributed to the mailing list. When I respond on the website they are sent to the mailing list. Alice and Paul can you visit http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/18645?page=2 to see my replies?
Can someone check to see why my email responses aren't being distributed?
Armando
Yes, Armando, I did receive you reply. I have looked at a Basque site that
contains sacramental information that I know will be of assistance to me in
the future, once I identify a Lizarraga, who was born in Spain.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:04 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Lizarraga
For some reason my responses through email make it to the website but aren't
distributed to the mailing list. When I respond on the website they are sent
to the mailing list. Alice and Paul can you visit
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/18645?page=2 to see my replies?
Can someone check to see why my email responses aren't being distributed?
Armando
Hello Paul,
I've got Juan Fermin Santelices (based on his marriage in Queretero in 1793), was born in Santander. His father was named Tomas Santelices and his mother as Antonia Ybanes, I'm assuming they were also born in Spain. I'd love to know which Basque site contains sacramental information. Thanks so much. Alice
--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Paul J Gomez wrote:
From: Paul J Gomez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Lizarraga
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:26 PM
Yes, Armando, I did receive you reply. I have looked at a Basque site that
contains sacramental information that I know will be of assistance to me in
the future, once I identify a Lizarraga, who was born in Spain.
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:04 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros
Hello Alice,
A site that has sacramental info for Basque territories is
http://snae.org/CRIS/busqueda.en.php it does a comprehensive search for 3
provinces instead of having to go to each site individually, To order copies
you do have to go to each individual site.
Armando
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Alice Blake wrote:
> Hello Paul,
> I've got Juan Fermin Santelices (based on his marriage in Queretero in
> 1793), was born in Santander. His father was named Tomas Santelices and his
> mother as Antonia Ybanes, I'm assuming they were also born in Spain. I'd
> love to know which Basque site contains sacramental information. Thanks
> so much. Alice
>
> --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Paul J Gomez wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul J Gomez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Lizarraga
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, Armando, I did receive you reply. I have looked at a Basque site that
> contains sacramental information that
Hello Armando,
I received and responded to your email through this research website. I'm still researching the websites you sent. Thanks again. Alice
--- On Wed, 5/19/10, fandemma@gmail.com wrote:
From: fandemma@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Lizarraga
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:03 PM
For some reason my responses through email make it to the website but aren't distributed to the mailing list. When I respond on the website they are sent to the mailing list. Alice and Paul can you visit http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/18645?page=2 to see my replies?
Can someone check to see why my email responses aren't being distributed?
Armando
Hi Alice, I also have a record stating that my Caminos originated in Santander,
Spain. Maybe we could help each other. I havent been able to tackle on Spain,
because Im usually more focused on Los Altos, theres just so much to learn!!
I am fascinated. Maybe I can help you too, have you tried ordering microfilm
for Santander? The thing with Santander is that it kept changing names. And
borders changed. There are about 7 churches in Santander then there is the possibility
of our ancestors going to the main church in Burgos which is south. Also, with my French lines, Bourbon and the records read D'Ponte but its wrong the real spelling gramatically speaking should be DePonte who came from Auvernge? (I cant spell) Havent had
enough time, so little time so much to do, is my motto when it comes to
genealogy. Send me your dead end info and possibly the marriage in Queretaro, ill try to help as best as I can. I know many tricks when it comes to Pares, familysearch etc.
Daniel
Hello Daniel,
Good to hear from you. Yes, there's too much to do in the time we have. I have a question: Do you make it a point to research every new generational pair of ancestors you come across or do you choose only a few lines? For efficiency, I've thought about focusing on only researching the paternal lines of Onate, Santelices, and Balderrama, but every time a new name appears, I feel somewhat compelled to dig a little.
I was doing great with my Santelices until I came across Juan Fermin Nepomuceno Santelices from Santander. At first I thought YEA! I found the Spain connection and now what??? He married Maria Luisa Sepulbeda (daughter of Jose/Jph Gregorio Zepulbeda and Ma Manuela Morales) on Feb 27, 1793 at Santiago Queretero, Que.
Jose Gregorio's father was Marcos Sepuldbeda and I wrote you that I found two Marcos Sepulbedas--one from Nochistlan, Zac and one from Cuidad Guzman, Jalisco. I haven't ordered the film, because I've just ordered 5!!! and it gets
Hi, I am a new member. I am research my family history. Madera. We are
from Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico. A lot of Madera's there. But
Hi, I found out some more information.
My great grandmother's name is Antonia Carillo Madera and she was married to Jesus (Juan de Jesus) Sanchez Alvarez... or somethign like that.
They had several children.. Manuel, Rafael, Zeferina, Romana, Teresa (1936)...
Does any of this sound familiar or can you direct me to where I can search myself.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
Hi,
I also have the surname Madera in my blood line and from this pueblo too.
Ancestory.com is down at the moment and I can't give you the exact names.
I do know that the Madera came from my grandmother's side and I want to say her mother's name was Antonia. I will come back and post more information as I get it.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
Call me Tony
Here are some community websites of the pueblos of Jalisco:
http://clubhuejuquilla.ning.com/
That one is our pueblo Huejuquilla, Jalisco. But on the right side is a list of other pueblos that you can click on to check out.
Near Huejuquilla is Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:
Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://www.mezquitic.com/main.html
http://www.mimezquitic.com/
Villaguerrero:
http://www.villaguerrero.info/
Near Guadalajara is Teptatitlan:
Dear Silvia Corona,
It could be that the Maderas that branched out came from the Rancho Maderas in the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico area. My Madera ancestors were at Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) just to the east of Huejuquilla. There are three Rancho Maderas, where two are on the map:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6807/ranchomaderajaliscomexi.jpg
San Jose De Los Madera
Bajio De Los Madera
Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) - Not on map
When I browsed microfilm of bautismos records, I found my Madera family at Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) during the 1700's. But my great great grandfather Patricio Madera, "Espanol" was born in Rancho Jimulco - a nearby ranch. Meaning that we moved from Rancho Madera to Rancho Jimulco
There are a lot of Maderas in those Ranchos.
Rancho Maderas are family ranches named after our surname. There are other family named ranchos like Estancias Escalantes, Hacienda De Los Landas.
Our pueblo is
Thank you.
I will have to go back with the last Madera in Autlan to find were do they
come from.
I appreciate the information.
Sylvia
There are a number of pueblos, haciendas and ranchos in our area where we live.
Here is a nice website of our region of Jalisco/Zacatecas:
http://zonanortejalisco.com.mx/
There is another nice hacienda called, Hacienda San Mateo and it is located in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Which is 35 minutes to the east of our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.
It is very old and still exists. "El Conde" lived there and here is a picture of El Conde and his wife from the 1720 era. Fernando De La Campa Cos:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5633/condedesanmateovalparai.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7826/esposadeldondevalparais.jpg
I have been to the museum of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and saw several paintings of El Conde, his wife and daughter there.
This link gives more details:
http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/personajes_ilustres/conde_fernando…
It is near Huejuquilla, Jalisco, our pueblo, we all know each other there.
Do you have any history on how the Madera's appear in Autlan, Jalisco or in
this area?
The Madera's from Zacatecas or nothr of Jalisco how do they moved to other
areas?
Does any of you have more information on the Madera family after 1600's to
the 1800's?
I am interesting in connecting with the main trunk of Madera's
Thank you
Sylvia H Corona
Yes Edward, I am very familiar with San Antonio De Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico.
It is 5 - 10 minutes on the west side of our pueblo Huejuquilla. It is an ex-hacienda and the original building still exists with cone shaped structures where they stored grain. It is a community smaller than our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco. People in San Antonio are farmers living in stone houses.
Here is an album of fotos of San Antonio de Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico:
http://photos.huejuquilla.mobi/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=311752
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1903/sanantoniodepaduahuejuq.jpg
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30932304
We all know each other. Did you know that practically all of our pueblos have community websites where we post pictures and chat in saludos section?
I emailed you in more detail.
Here is a good community website of the people of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco, Mexico which is another pueblo right next to Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
villaguerrero.info
Madera_32,
One last thing. Yesterday I was reviewing material again from Mezquitic and kept on running into Madera entries. The earliest Madera was Antonio Madera from 1685. They intermarried heavily with the Guzman, Banuelos and Robles families, amongst others. My Felgueres ancestors married into the same group. I must have run into a lot of Maderas since at one point in my research, I noted that the Madera family in the 1715-1720 time frame was from "Minillas." We have discussed Minillas before in this website. There were many Minillas in the past and now they reportedly don't exist because of their depleted minerals. At least, you might get a hint of what kind of business they were in.
I have one more comment about all these families which I will make later in another topic page.
Ed
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Dear Mr. Madera,
Since you are from Huejuquilla El Alto, are you familiar with a ranch called Hacienda de San Antonio (de Padua)? I found it in the old records of either Huejuquilla or Mesquitic. The ranch was owned by Guillermo Duval del Valle (from Cadiz) and Gertrudis de los Santos Coy (from Saltillo originally) ~1760-1770 time frame. Is it still there? Is it in Huejuquilla or Valparaiso? Do you now any history of it.
Ed
I would have to say that the Madera's european origin is from Asturias, Spain. Since other people that have posted here that are also Madera has stated Asturias.
But I would say two places. Madeira Island of Portugal and Asturias, Spain.
So that should give other people from the Madera family and idea where to look.
Notice that what attracted europeans to the Northern Jalisco and Zacatecas area was the discovery of silver. Zacatecas is known for the silver that was discovered there. Also the establishment of the Ranchos.
Northern Jalisco is right on the border with Zacatecas.
This style of hat is worn by the old people in the ranchos of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7320/33349932.jpg
I am curious to it's origin. It is also worn by some of the Huichole Indigenous people, but they put feathers on it.
So is it european or indigenous in origin?
I have a cousin that is researching our indigenous peoples that live in our area the Huicholes. And I am researching our european origin. So there is two of us doing research on our histories.
Summary of my ancestors:
My grandfather is Antonio Madera, born July 1893 in Rancho Jimulco of Huejuqulla El Alto, Jalisco Mexico.
Calixto (Calisto) Madera, born in 1856, Rancho De Jimulco
Maria Clemencia Madera de Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico (Parents of Antonio Madera)
Patricio Madera, "Espanol" ( born 1792 or 1798?) in Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco
Maria Dimas De La Paz (Parents of Calixto Madera)
Juan Venancio Madera, "Espanol" born 1762 Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco (Father of Patricio Madera)
Francisco Madera, "Espanol" Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco
Maria De Huizar (Parents of Juan Venancio Madera)
Side Note:
Maria Clemencia Madera de Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco is the daughter of:
Benito Madera who was born in 1836, Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla Jalisco and
Maria Estanislaus Munoz
Marcelo Madera, born in
I connect with the MADERA family, but this is as back as I have been able to
go:
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Descendants of Juan MADERA
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1 Juan MADERA
.. +Ana MARTINEZ
2 Ignacio MADERA Martinez Born: in descendiente de Espanol
.... +Rita LIZAOLA Navarro Born: in descendienete de franceses
... 3 Paulino MADERA Lisaola 1854 - 1925 Born: 22 Jun 1854 in Ahuacapán,
Jalisco, México
....... +María FLORES Lisaola 1866 - 1927 Born: 18 Apr 1866 in Autlán de la
Grana, Jalisco, México
... 3 Magdalena MADERA Lisaola
....... +Tomás CABEZUD Santana 1874 - 1915 Born: Abt. 1874 in Jalisco
... 3 Cleofas MADERA Lisaola 1856 - Born: 26 Sep 1856 in Cavrito Autlán de
la Grana, Jalisco, México
... 3 Francisco MADERA Lisaola 1860 - Born: 05 Sep 1860 in El Sagrario,
Autlán de la Grana, Jalisco, México
I hope that I can make more connections with some of you.
Sylvia H Corona Cortes
Thank you all for responding Longsjourney, Edward Serros, Mendezdelcamino, and Armando
Now Ed, I am very familiar with Mezquitic, Jalisco. We have been there several times as it is south of Huejuquilla. Because when we had to travel from Guadalajara to Huejuquilla or Huejuquilla to Guadalajara using the highway in the rugged mountains, we have to pass through Mezquitic. My Madera family is like this. My grandfather is name Antonio Madera born in July 1893 in Rancho Jimulco next to Huejuquilla, My great grandfather Calixto (Calisto) Madera was born in 1856 in Rancho Jimulco). I have been to their grave sites. Calixto Madera is buried next to his brother Julian Madera. Calixto died around 1923 and Julian died two years later. Calixto Madera had children with Maria Clemencia Madera. Maria Clemencia Madera is from Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas). She is the daughter of Benito Madera (Rincon De Los Maderas) and grand daughter of Marcelo Madera (Rincon de Maderas)
I too have family from the areas you describe. For what it is worth, I have repeatedly found the Madera family not only in Huejuquilla el Alto but in the nearby town of Mezquitic, Jalisco. The marriages and baptisms of the Maderas in Mezquitic date back to at least 1686 (Mormon film numbers 1164940 and 1164952). I suspect this is the same family since these towns were all frontier land back then. The elite (well-to-do mestizos, criollos, and the rare peninsular) all intermarried; distance was not a major issue but "class" was. It was preferable to marry a non-NAI. The ultimate prize for a criollo family was to marry a peninsular but it was OK to marry another criollo or well-to-do mestizo (re-labeled "espanol"), near as I can figure from my review of centuries of records in the local area and books that I have read. Bottom line: I think we are talking about the same Madera family, with branches thereof. Also by 1686, at least one of the Madera family members, Blas Madera, son of Joseph
Hi Ed! The culture of Spain has always fascinated me! The typical stereotype is bullfghting, wine, flamencoand fancy clothes. That is usually south of Madrid (though bullfighting is also popular in the north. My Spanish roots primarily are from Castilla, Asturias, Cantabria and Galicia. North of Madrid you;ll finda TOTAL dfferent culture! These are areas are like you said Celtico. The Irish are said to have come fromNorthern Spain along time ago. The English also have roots in Iberia and Germany. Sometimes peopleforget that the Spaniards from the north are usually (Gothic and Suevic blood from Germany). The history in general is fascnating. It is nice to know someone who also has Asturianu roots ours are from Cangas de Onis.
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Daniel,
With respect to your comment that the Irish came from Northern Spain, I am not sure that I agree. The Celts settled both Northern Spain and the British Isles, but I am not sure there is good data that the sequence was Northern Spain then Ireland. For example, the myth that the Black Irish are Spaniards that were shipwreck victims from the defeated Spanish Armada is complete fantasy, given my historical sources.
Furthermore, the Felgueres/Villegas family in Huejuquilla el Alto also derive from the de los Santos Coy family via Saltillo. The latter Santos Coy family, along with the de la Garza Falcon family and others, were from Lepe, Huelva, Spain. Arguably, these families were conversos (ex-Jews). See the book "Conquistadores and Crypto-Jews of Monterrey" by David T. Raphael. I admit that Raphael lacks solid data.
In my historical and DNA reviews, there is nothing "pure" in any family of Mexico, especially our area of investigation. In my mind, Spain itself was the largest
According to Brian Sykes the British Isles were populated by Iberians 6,000 years ago. I am going to assume he worked with anthropoligists for his following statement "Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain but only a few thousand in number." Both of these statements can be read at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-….
Also the Irish are more closely related to the Basques as far as Y-DNA is concerned.
"In Western Europe, R1b is present in Irish 90-98%,[44] Basques: 90-95%,[45] Bretons: 80-89%,[46] Scottish: 77%, Catalans: 75%,[45] English: 75%, Belgians: 70%,[31] Portuguese: 70%,[35] France (Strasbourg): 67.6%, France (Lyon), 66.7%,[47], Spanish (as a whole): 65%,[48] Italians (continental Italy): 40%,[49] Germans: 39%,[50] Norwegians: 25.9%,[51] Sicilians: 24.5%,[52] Maltese: 21.9%,[53] Swedes: 20%,[51] Sardinians: 19%.[54]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1b#Eurasia
Physical traits
I don't think all Mexicans "have" the same genetic ancestry, if you go to Mexicothey have a spectrum of colors from the darkest to the lightest. From personallyexperience and travel I notice the majority of the lightest Mexicans are in the north,west and Mexico, though they can be virtually anywhere in Mexico. I guess the concentration is because of the climate. A state like Jalisco is a very fair climate similar to that of Europe, hence I think this is why the Spanish had a desire to conquer that territory and settle. I think the mestizosare half Spanish and half native american. I have an interesting history, I have one black ancestor and 2 indio ancestors, 1 jewish ancestor and the rest are European, it shows Mexico to be a pluricultural country! It gets confusing once "se limpian" as it was known in colonial times like if mestizo married a white to make castizo and the castizo married another white then they become "full" espanol again.
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Hello Daniel, I agree not all Mexicans have the same genetic ancestry, but generally it is the same. Gary Felix and Robert Tarín met equilibrium with their DNA databases. Meaning that after a certain point there is hardly any change in the percentages with additional samples. Therefore most Mexicans are mestizos, or half Spanish and half Indian. Spanish being the same mix as found in Spain (European, Middle Eastern, North African, etc)
I also agree with you that there will be differences between communities or groups in Mexico and there definitely were areas where more Spanish, or other ethnic groups, settled and other areas where they didn't. This is why I would like to see a website for Mexico just like the Iberian roots site, especially for Los Altos. Also a differentiation of Spanish origin could be generalized. As far as climate is concerned, it would only be part of the equation for the reason where the Spanish settled, since they also settled in areas that didn't have such a
Yss, Los Altos would be a great project! Most of the records I have seen Spanish tend to marrySpanish. There are obviously mestizos as well. I wonder what if the some maternal altenoDNA is european that would be really interesting. As you stated in most parts of Mexicothe women tended to carry the ameridinian gene. Even today in Mexico we see all types ofEuropeans (english, italian, portuguese, polish etc) and many dfferent type of Asian peoplesas well as many Africans that since the independence have immigrated to Mexico. My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered. I have many friends in Mexico who are from the darkestto the lightest that can be found! This is what has gotten me nterested in DNA and such.
Regarding to my ancestry I have 2 indio ancestry (Moctezuma, as long as the Ruiz de Esparza genealogy is correct?)and another on my father's side which ironically is also
Hello Daniel,
I think we should all coax Gary Felix, Robert Tarín, and Mariano Leal into
creating that database and urging people in Los Altos to participate. I
don't believe in the myth of the French, a late tio primo told me it was a
myth decades before I read Mariano Leal's take on it. He was also a güero
that could have been confused with having French ancestry. I have a first
cousin, from a different tio, that is also a güero that looks like he could
have French ancestry, and he does as well as Italian, and he also shares my
Spanish Basque ancestry. However both his surnames reflect the Spanish
Basque and his French ancestry. His French ancestry is not from Jalisco
though, and not from a lost batallion either.
Now as far as the skin color variation it is due to a lot of things. First
of all genes can be recessive. Two brown haired people can have a blond
child. Also, the skin color of the children won't necessarily be the same.
Some of my uncles were güeros some were morenos
As Mariano states, I fnd it absurd some pepole think white skin must be french, but likeMariano says "eran blancos porque eran espanoles" Yes, this is true because my father isbrown haired and my mother is blonde, I have brown hair. While my sister is blonde. My fatheris blue eyed and my mother is green eyed, one of my sisters and I have brown eyes whilethe rest of my siblngs have green or blue. I guess in our family brown is recessive. Not surewhere we get brown eyes. All up to my great grandparents had "colored" eyes so I guess brown eyes came from one of my great great grandparents of whom we do not have knowledge ofeye color. It must be on my father's side. Going back to the Celts which is nterestng, I guess we have "a strong" celtic lineage since I have been told blonde=celtic, almost all my mother's familyis blonde. Easily pass as a typical northern european. Then again not all northern europeansare blonde or super lght complected. I have a friend who is a Dane and is
brown
"My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered" ---
Daniel, I thought you had moved on from there, but all I can tell you is that a child with both parents with dark hair and brown eyes can be born with light hair and blue eyes-color of skin alone does not tell you what is in your DNA-you will have to study that science of genetics, statistics and probabilities. Your Indian ancestors could be Tlaxcalan, Zacateco, Chichimeca, etc. Too bad DNA cannot narrow our ancestry down to one group. Nobody can prove descendancy from any one tribe without a clear genetic trail.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:48:49 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Irish, Spanish, and Mexican DNA
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> Yss, Los Altos would be a great project! Most of the records I have seen Spanish tend to marrySpanish
This is meant to be humorous....as I was holding my newborn 2nd child, a
very, very fair child, I asked my friend, "Isn't it weird how he was born so
fair?" She responded: "yes, those Espanoles se metieron con todos, y
tienen que salir evidencia de vez en cuando." How right she was!
I know you are researching Madera but what's your name?
I really enjoyed what you shared and look forward to seeing more from you, thank you so much for sharing what you've learned. It reminded me we research more than surnames, we are reclaiming a history of our peoples in Mexico..
thank you again.. whoever you are!
Linda in Marietta
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MADERA Family history of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Hi, I am a new member. I am research my family history. Madera. We are
from Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico. A lot of Madera's there. But
there are a number of ranchos surrounding the pueblo. Three Rancho
Maderas:
San Jose De Maderas
Bajio de Maderas
Rincon De Maderas
These ranchos are very old. As I scrolled through rolls of films found
out that my Madera family was originally at Rincon de Maderas
I sent you an email to give you my name.
Like to mention that Fresnillo, Zacatecas is located about two hours east of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco (where we are from).
One roll of film that I was scrolling through was "La Cofradia" year 1608! of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
Presently in Huejuquilla El Alto, there is a rancho called, "La Cofradia." But when I browsed through microfilms of Huejuquilla El Alto, I found one called, "La Cofradia" of the year 1608. But at that time it was called, "La Cofradia De La Hermanidad." It was like a daily log......very interesting as to what was going on back then. Saw an inventory list of that time period. The person who was keeping a log at that time period was a Mayordormo by the name of Lazaro Medina.
In that inventory list it included items like "velas de baro, vino, corona de plata, pollos para los enfermos, costo para Semana Santa." That was an indication they celebrated Semana Santa back then.
But also there were
Atilano Vargas